Dawoodi Bohra Forum

Now i dont have anything but your word on this, tell me how should i take it up with other like minded people, definitely it will be termed as a rumor without any basis but to malign kothar. Br. Aqs, I agree with you on this one. Unless people come forward and expose the culprits nothing can be don...

My original post was in response to this As far as my knowledge of the instances of the time is concerned, the Shias as a community including the leader (AS) were under oppression and threat of life. The hiding of the Imam (AS) was from the oppressors and not from the followers. It is common sense ...

According to me the conclusion is that the Imam was not a coward. Smart conclusion. The 2 year old was not a coward. So are you trying to tell me that if a person is two years old he is a coward. :mrgreen: You have still not clarified your original post: Anajmi said: A leader goes into hiding to sa...

Anajmi said: A leader goes into hiding to save his own skin. Infact, I do not understand the logic of that. If the leader were to die fisabilillah, he would be setting a much better example than by going into hiding!! Allah has always come to the aid of all his messengers whose lives were threatene...

So you have decided to write against the prophet every time I write against the Imam right? Smart move. Keep it up!! In one post you call me smart and in other post you THINK you are taking me around in circles. And believe me you are the biggest fool on this forum if you thought that I bought your...

The father sends him into hiding to save his life and he still gets killed. The father was on his death bed. After his death PROBABLY his enemies found the child and killed him. And if this does not suit your taste than probably he died of some illness. Now please don't tell me that people who go h...

So here is my theory about this entire episode. The future Imam was sent into hiding when he was 2 years old. He probably had no clue that he was going into hiding let alone the reason behind it. He probably grew up an ordinary man never realizing that he was the Imam and that he had to come out of...

presume your cousin is in Mumbai, can you confirm if he had a travel agency in Punjab Mahal building on Raudat Tahera street which is now closed, the said agency has one branch in khoka bazaar also which is still running. Aqs, My cousin does have an office somewhere in proper Mumbai. I cannot revea...

Sure once you will stop calling that two year old child a coward. I am not interested in comparing anyone with the prophet.

Oh!! Now I understand. Since the Imam was 2 years old when he went into hiding, he acted exactly as the prophet did when he migrated from Mecca to Madina. Would you still stick to your original argument which started this whole discussion? Because now that argument looks something like "Since,...

You have no clue because you have purposely decided to remain clueless. If you were the Imam and if your son's life would have been in danger what you would have done? Since, I am not making any sense I would like to know an answer from you which would make sense. And as I have mentioned that anythi...

And so he had to go into hiding for what again? If he had power and position amongst his people he didn't need to go into hiding fearing someone might kill him. I think you again missed the point. This example is crude but will suffice the purpose. The present Dai is the most powerful man among DBs...

If the Imam was in such a powerful position, then why did he have to go into hiding? I am talking about his power and position among his people. Don't you think that it is basic human nature to remain in an influential position as compared to hide somewhere so that nobody knows about him? And pleas...

Right!! And the prophet went into hiding and died in hiding like the Imam. No one ever heard from the Prophet again!!!! The guy who turned up in Madina a few days later was someone else. Depends upon the time and situation. If the situation would have been right do you think the Imam will leave suc...

Here we go again. After all this you go back to the same idiotic argument that began all this. No wonder your Imam had to go into hiding. I have to go into hiding too now!!! Unlike your Imam though, I won't be going into hiding for hundreds of years. That would be a bit too much. That would show th...

The others believe that he went into hiding to save himself. Just like I do. If that is the hikmah, hide to save yourself, then I guess this discussion has reached the conclusion that I drew 3 dozen posts earlier!! The faith of Dawoodi Bohras (both reformists and abdes) is based on the fact that Im...

May be others will believe. I thought the reformists believe in the post of the Dai. And the post of the Dai was only created after the Imam went into hiding. So I guess they do believe in the hidden Imam as well. They only have a problem with last two Dais. So I don't think I need to prove anythin...

I have already proven that there is no hikmah behind his hiding. You can prove me wrong.

Well if you call your false allegation your proof than you probably do not know the definition of proof.

I am saying there isn't and will continue to do so till you find otherwise.

And I believe there is and will continue to do so till you PROVE otherwise.

More idiotic logic. People have said earlier on this board that he went into hiding to save his skin. Go read the posts. Excellent... You have exactly proved my point by saying that. Because people on this forum with their fake IDs said that the Imam went into hiding to save his skin you believe th...

So we agree that you are a fool. Good. It is ok to accept it and move forward instead arguing against something that is clear. It is clear that you have no clue about the hikmah of the hiding of the Imam vis a vis the acts of the prophet. You just put your foot in your mouth. And instead of figurin...

Still waiting for the hikmah of the Imam going into hiding.

Well it would be really rude to question Allah on this one. Don't you agree with me?

Aarif, and definitely you will have some concrete proof to prove your claim. Aqs, The person who told me about this fact is my cousin. He runs a business of sending people to Karbala, Haj and other holy places. He works closely with kothar as far as his business is concerned. I cannot give you his ...

anajmi wrote:Well, as long as you accept that you are a fool, it is fine.

You still did not get my point. All these arguments are to prove that you are a fool and not me.

I don't think a fool can recognize the quality that makes him a fool, otherwise he wouldn't be a fool.

Yes, you are right and again it applies to you as well...

A fool is one who says anything that he can think of when he cannot think of anything to say.

That applies to you as well. Because most of the times that's pretty much what you do.

Now that I have explained it, of course you do. Oh I see... So if Anajmi would not explain people will not understand anything about Islam. And also Anajmi is the only one who decides on which parts of Islamic history are genuine and which parts are not. So tomorrow if Anajmi tells me that there is...

Correct. You will find it hard to believe because you do not understand prophet's hikmah behind his actions. but then we wouldn'tve learned these important lessons. Which some of us still haven't!! You have still not realized that all my posts in this thread are tongue-in-cheek. I do understand the...

Since you do not understand the difference between not saying anything against the Quran/Prophet/Allah and not lying, I have to conclude that you haven't understood much and I shouldn't be wasting my time arguing with you. But I have some time to waste. Anajmi, Its more of a matter of common sense ...

So you believe Ali said this, but you also believe that he was just lying to show his loyalty to the prophet? Anajmi, As a believer will you ever say anything against Quran or prophet (pbuh) or Allah? And if you don't does that make you a liar in anyway? I don't think so and I hope these questions ...