Dawoodi Bohra Forum

I am sure, there are hundreds (if not thousands) of like minded people that I know of who are fed up with the rituals and 'faith' forced down our throats all the time. If we can show them an alternate path where they can try and follow/practice the Islamic teachings based on their own understanding...

All these thoughts and pursuits make me sad but they are understandable. in the end one is resigned to say "samju to samjo, na samju to na samjo".
However I cannot keep quiet when so much injustice and exploitation is going on.

Kansas, I'm sorry if I misconstrued your intentions and called you names. After all you mean well. Even so, the fact remains that you've built your argument on a false premise - infallibility of the Dai - and with the slightest nudge the whole thing comes crashing down. In response to JC you write:...

Mr Hamsafar ; I think you and Kansas have the same orientation towards the religious leaders, but I think you have misread and misunderstood kansas. The difference I see is in the solutions you both offer. You seem to be saying that we should force the leaders out by our opposition from inside, and ...

I feel that there is some innocent misunderstanding here.. When Kansas says Dai is infallible I think he is saying that the Dai and the Kothar along with the brainwashed masses claim and believe that he is infallible.
Is that correct Kansas?. I see nothing wrong in Kansas argument.

I think that if we establish an entity soon and show a face which Bohras can see and identify with, a great many people will shift and come out of their closets, just like we are beginning to do. Those of us who are older may have have more free time available to us to make things happen. The progre...

I think that if we establish an entity soon and show a face which Bohras can see and identify with, a great many people will shift and come out of their closets, just like we are beginning to do. Those of us who are older may have have more free time available to us to make things happen. The progre...

Dear think. I totally agree with you. I think Dai has to feel responsible for what is happenening and like you , I think he knows what is happening. After all he was a young man and a subordinate to the previous Dais at one time.

Totally agree.

I love and am very excited about Mr kansas view. To change the leaders and their devine claims is impossible. The only way, as kansas says, is to start a new Bohra group. I think it is time we start planning a meeting while there is so much energy in the air for reform. Admin can you set up a roll c...

I agree. Can we start planning for a gathering of all regional progressives and invite whoever wants to come? Every one shold plan their accomodation. People in the host town could find a place to gather. Chicago and its vicinity has lots of possibilities. If there is interest and time I will be wil...

Bro Jamali: Do you really want to continue to remain subservient to someone other than Almighty Allah??? yes, I am an elderly person and have seen life for over 6.5 decades and have seen the times of 3 doats now, and i do use my head all the time. The quote of yousr above is very interesting becaus...

b.s. dont blame the leader as you say . It is only a few rotten apples. In my life everywhere i went ,whether in the jamaats of africa, india, pakistan, england or u.s. i saw thugs everywhere. So it is not a few bad apples. The whole system is corrupt to the core. And it is understandable because t...

What we are asking is a democratic organization. It should be govererned by a board of directors who are elected members and revnewed every few years. There has to be a treasurer and a finance commitee also elected. The accounts have to be transparent and the focus has to be on the community learnin...

Dear fatemidawat; Thank you for your enthusiastic response. How do we come out and talk with each other? Everyone is talking under a psudoname; fear is rampant; fear not just for yourselves but also for your families. Now is a good time because the kothar will know people have an alternative easily ...

Thanks a lot. I will look up. Like you said I am a late commer to this forum.

If you live in Chicago or in the vicinity I would love to meet you. Actually I wonder if there is They did gain some ground.a way to gather all progressives in different cities and form a more solid group with a voice that can be heard by the average man more easily. The Catholic Church in Chicago s...

I am amazed at how masterful the so called religious leaders can be in brain washing innocent people for ages. So much of what we have been told makes no sense and is totally against the tenants of Islaam. Yet people do not question. I now understand why they did not teach us Arabic, did not allow u...

Thank you QUESTIONS for your very thoughtful response. It amazes me that nobody else shared their thoughts in response to what I said. Too rebellious perhaps. But have you had the chance to gather a group of Bohoras and study Islaam together, independent of the Mullas?

I have always been amazed by the reply I get from Bohra brothers when I raise this issue. They say that it is not the fault of Sayyedina that all these atrocities are going on. It is the people below him. He has no idea about what is going on!
How is this possible?

Dear msdubai;
I totally agree. Keep up your strength and patience. We need more people like you to think deeply about what is going on. Religion is practiced to bring us peace and harmony. Our kind of religion is creating nothing but pain and suffering and "bojo".

I too am so happy that at least some of us are talking. I left the community more than 40 years ago. It was painful and still is but at least I feel free. I am looking for like minded Bohras who are not afraid to talk and get together in my house or in a hall somewhere and practice real Islaam which...

It is time to examin what it means to be a Bohra. What are we? We are a group of Shite Muslims of Indian (Subcontinent) origin in majority with a minority from Yemen and ? Egypt. A major difference between us and other Shites is that our culture is Indian; our language is Indian; and our long ago fo...

Mojizas do not define a holy man. A holy person is a person who lives a holy life and does holy deeds. We are Shiites, which means we follow the example of Imam Ali. And why did our forefathers decide that? Because he was a truly holy person. Read what historians have to say about him, and this was ...

Bahen, 24 yrs to gani nani umar kahewai. Hun pan 24 waras no hato tyaare die hard woro hato. Hawe to hun 65+ waras no thayo. Ganu joyu, ganu shikhyo, . Hawe aankh ugdi. Bahen Bluesky ni waat sachi nathi. Hu ane gana khara open minded wora diwas ma 10 thi bar kalaak kam karye che. Hard work che. Enaj...

Aa badhu wanchi ne mane khushi thaiche karenke hawe apni baheno pan aa discussion ma bhag lai che. Ben, jo time male to maru lakhelu "What is meant by being a Muslim" wanchjo. Khuda kon, religion shu, kon saachu ane kon juthu eto moto sawaal che. Time male to "4 Blind men and elephant...

Now is the time to talk about what probably is the most important "pillar" of "walaayat" which means "love". To the Sufi Muslims , the only goal in life is to come to love God; to the Hindu, the purpuse of life is to unite with God; to Isa Nabi, love is the only way to ...

A similar plot has been initiated in a suburb of Chicago; Near Hoffman Estates. I do not know the details but I am sure some one on this forum knows or can find out.

Dear Mr pheonix;
I am very sorry to have hurt your feelings. It's not my intention.

Now I wish to complete the list of the pillars of Islaam that Mr zinger started, for his list is exactly that, viz : salaat, zakaat, soume, haj and jihaad. We Bohras have 2 more on the list, Walaayat and Tahaarat. I have talked about salaat- prayers, zakaat- taxes, soum- fasting, and jihaad- self ex...