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- Thu Oct 17, 2002 1:46 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Syedana’s vision
- Replies: 98
- Views: 13620
Re: Syedana’s vision
Dear Godbless "Well then, you should agree that all humans have Aql; not simply Bohris." ---most do not know how to use their aql. What has Syedna's so-called Vision contributed to this "thought", (sense) created "in the human" ? Simply trying to get back to the origina...
- Thu Oct 17, 2002 1:41 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Syedana’s vision
- Replies: 98
- Views: 13620
Re: Syedana’s vision
Dear Khairan/Humsafar, If you will refer to my first post regarding this topic...I clearly defined the Islamic definition of Aql. It you all who have so far listed 6 different definitions of Aql...based on non islamic sources. Dear Muslim, "The closest English definitions of aql are reason, log...
- Wed Oct 16, 2002 5:55 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Syedana’s vision
- Replies: 98
- Views: 13620
Re: Syedana’s vision
Dear Serendipity, Regarding your own questions...I am still researching the historical background that your asking for. I have not forgotten you my friend. Regarding your post on the topic at hand..you've hit the nail on the head..which is why I didn't comment further. The Aql (thought) was created ...
- Wed Oct 16, 2002 5:48 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Syedana’s vision
- Replies: 98
- Views: 13620
Re: Syedana’s vision
Dear Muslim,
Misquote...my apologizes...I was referring to Rosenthal's argument..not Collins (the dictionary).
Misquote...my apologizes...I was referring to Rosenthal's argument..not Collins (the dictionary).
- Wed Oct 16, 2002 2:52 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Syedana’s vision
- Replies: 98
- Views: 13620
Re: Syedana’s vision
Br. Porus "Quasi-logical.." --Please see my comments to Muslim. "And reason and analogy are lower forms of Aql? Qiyam, please make some sense or at least do not accept everything idiotic "scholars" say at face value." ---See..now you've lost all crediablility. I could s...
- Wed Oct 16, 2002 2:44 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Syedana’s vision
- Replies: 98
- Views: 13620
Re: Syedana’s vision
Dear Humsafar,
I did not say you were a pagan nor did I say Sayedna was like the Prophet..I compared your comments and not just say things that don't amount to much.
I did not say you were a pagan nor did I say Sayedna was like the Prophet..I compared your comments and not just say things that don't amount to much.
- Wed Oct 16, 2002 2:38 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Syedana’s vision
- Replies: 98
- Views: 13620
Re: Syedana’s vision
Firstly..the article address should be: http://al-islam.org/al-tawhid/islam-know-conc.htm Sorry for the screw up. Dear Muslim, "Imagination is now also a component of 'aql" --All thoughts (which include imagination) are part of aql. Aql is thought or thinking itself. Qiyas is defined in yo...
- Wed Oct 16, 2002 2:21 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Syedana’s vision
- Replies: 98
- Views: 13620
Re: Syedana’s vision
Dear Muslim, Please read the entire article...and note I didn't write it...but it is representative. "Aql is reason. According to your quote, "'aql embraces all rational faculties". 'Rational' meaning (according to Collins)..." Firstly, Collins is the one the author disputes...so...
- Mon Oct 14, 2002 7:35 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Syedana’s vision
- Replies: 98
- Views: 13620
Re: Syedana’s vision
Dear Muslim, If you read the entire article I referenced..the author refers to reason or logic or analysis (qiyas) as the lower form of Aql...while things like emotion, intuition, imagination..are in the higher realms of Aql. All are apart of Aql. Aql is the process of thought itself...not just reas...
- Mon Oct 14, 2002 4:54 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Syedana’s vision
- Replies: 98
- Views: 13620
Re: Syedana’s vision
Dear Porus, "Aql has various stages, "darajaat", if you dont mind. So what? " ---a few posts ago you didn't agree to even this. Unfortunately, your response still gives little support for your theory. I am not insinuating comparision in scholastic merit. Philosophy has experts th...
- Mon Oct 14, 2002 2:16 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Syedana’s vision
- Replies: 98
- Views: 13620
Re: Syedana’s vision
Dear Jinx, Porus, Muslim, Please look at the responses from those after my last response. Most have agreed with what I have written...just in different words. Br. Porus is still stuck in the idea that aql means reason...it doesn't..not by theologican nor scientist. You have still no basis to your th...
- Fri Oct 11, 2002 6:16 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Syedana’s vision
- Replies: 98
- Views: 13620
Re: Syedana’s vision
Dear Porus, "But emotion need not result from thought." --Then how do you even know your having an emotion of any kind...if you don't recognise the emotion. It is thought that allows you to know you are afraid, or in love. If you put your hand over fire...you hand would burn and your hand ...
- Fri Oct 11, 2002 5:35 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Syedana’s vision
- Replies: 98
- Views: 13620
Re: Syedana’s vision
Dear Br. Porus, Again...what is your entire hypothesis basis on??? Your own statements conflict: "Humans experience just one emotion" then you say the one emotion has two parts love and fear "When mind and emotion are mixed, we can have..." There is only emotion is variation as y...
- Fri Oct 11, 2002 1:34 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Syedana’s vision
- Replies: 98
- Views: 13620
Re: Syedana’s vision
This is cute. Mullahs (including one's like Qadi Nu'man, Sayedna Shirazi, Sayedna Sijistani, Imam Jafar Sadiq, Imam Baqir, etc) are trying to confuse you??? That's the weakest approach yet to your rebuttal. Aql...not based on what the modern academics (which you seem to believe over eminent scholars...
- Thu Oct 10, 2002 8:42 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Syedana’s vision
- Replies: 98
- Views: 13620
Re: Syedana’s vision
Dear MuslimFirst, As you suggested let's stick to the topic...the praise of Sayenda by his followers, which is what you quoted and criticized. What goes on during milad un'nabi...in every muslim mosque, markaz, home...the hamd and praises of Rasullah. And to such not to do so is unislamic and not fo...
- Thu Oct 10, 2002 5:19 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Syedana’s vision
- Replies: 98
- Views: 13620
Re: Syedana’s vision
Dear MuslimFirst, First you should think about what you quote versus what you commented. The words you quoted (and I quote them below) were and still today are very much applied to the Prophet as well: “It is indeed our Moula (tus) who is revealing new shanaat everyday that lay above the reach and v...
- Thu Oct 10, 2002 4:21 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Syedana’s vision
- Replies: 98
- Views: 13620
Re: Syedana’s vision
Dear Serendipity, Buddha was a man...who preach a method of life for spirtual upliftment, based on control of the body and your world around. He did not teach of a supreme being but a spirtual way of life. Please see the following for a summary of buddhism: http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/5minbu...
- Thu Oct 10, 2002 3:27 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Syedana’s vision
- Replies: 98
- Views: 13620
Re: Syedana’s vision
Dear Porus, From your last post you still have adopted that reason is Aql...and in the Ismaili theology as you ascribe your definition..it is not. Aql is the receptive cognition of everything..including love. It is not a prerequisite that we understand or can even comprehend the facets of the concep...
- Thu Oct 10, 2002 1:57 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Syedana’s vision
- Replies: 98
- Views: 13620
Re: Syedana’s vision
Dear Porus, The obvious thing you missed is you define aql not based on its own definition...but what you've been taught is its definition. Aql is not just reason as you link only with logic. Aql is cognotive thinking which includes intuition. The act of thought is the Aql we're talking about..not j...
- Wed Oct 09, 2002 4:06 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Syedana’s vision
- Replies: 98
- Views: 13620
Re: Syedana’s vision
Dear Porus,
What is your theory based on? Is it not true that without your aql (reason) you would be able to understand what love is to begin with? Without aql...you couldn't determine between love and hate, sincerity and contempt, etc.
What is your theory based on? Is it not true that without your aql (reason) you would be able to understand what love is to begin with? Without aql...you couldn't determine between love and hate, sincerity and contempt, etc.
- Wed Oct 09, 2002 4:00 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Qiyam: Please contact me at this address.
- Replies: 14
- Views: 2281
Re: Qiyam: Please contact me at this address.
Dear Serendipity,
I have not received your email...did you send it to the "qiyam786@hotmail.com" address. I made a mistake is posting the wrong address on my first reply.
I await your email Brother. Assalamu alaykum.
I have not received your email...did you send it to the "qiyam786@hotmail.com" address. I made a mistake is posting the wrong address on my first reply.
I await your email Brother. Assalamu alaykum.
- Wed Oct 09, 2002 3:31 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Qiyam: Please contact me at this address.
- Replies: 14
- Views: 2281
Re: Qiyam: Please contact me at this address.
Dear Anajmi, What does your statement of what I admitted have to do with anything. Have I ever denied they didn't existed. My objection was to making blanket statement that are majority is corrupted. No one has yet to prove even a minority of clerics are corrupt. You can't base your argument on here...
- Wed Oct 09, 2002 1:45 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Qiyam: Please contact me at this address.
- Replies: 14
- Views: 2281
Re: Qiyam: Please contact me at this address.
Dear Anajmi, No, in the scheme of things, I don't know anything. Which is why I said what I did. I have myself been corrected on fiqh issues on this very site by persons Br. Porus. But you've missed my entire point. I, a person who admits to knowing little in regards to Islam, have corrected many, m...
- Tue Oct 08, 2002 8:25 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Syedana’s vision
- Replies: 98
- Views: 13620
Re: Syedana’s vision
Dear Porus, You have conflicting statement...which explains your conflicting argument. Tawhid is the total submission to Allah...both in love, adherance, respect, with every bit of our being. This goes against your statement: "Highest value for a human is to offer unconditional love to everyone...
- Tue Oct 08, 2002 6:17 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Syedana’s vision
- Replies: 98
- Views: 13620
Re: Syedana’s vision
Dear Porus, "Cursing all and sundry in the name of Islam is in fact a slander against Islam." ---Please reread my post...I qualified my entire statement with those curse Islam are to be curse...not just anyone I disagree with. "If you feel that Quran instructs you to curse enemies of ...
- Tue Oct 08, 2002 4:42 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Syedana’s vision
- Replies: 98
- Views: 13620
Re: Syedana’s vision
Nicely put Br. Porus and MuslimFirst, I hope you both realize you go against both the Quran (surah Taubah/Barat) and the teachings of the Prophet with those statements. Being tolerate of those who do not believe as you is one thing. Those who slander against your beliefs is another. For them...Allah...
- Tue Oct 08, 2002 4:32 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Qiyam: Please contact me at this address.
- Replies: 14
- Views: 2281
Re: Qiyam: Please contact me at this address.
Dear Serendipity,
I must apologize..my address is qiyam786@hotmail.com.
Dear Udaipuri,
I wasn't boasting...I was stating how little I know...and how I constantly correct people who talk as they know what their talking. You figure the rest out.
I must apologize..my address is qiyam786@hotmail.com.
Dear Udaipuri,
I wasn't boasting...I was stating how little I know...and how I constantly correct people who talk as they know what their talking. You figure the rest out.
- Tue Oct 08, 2002 3:35 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Qiyam: Please contact me at this address.
- Replies: 14
- Views: 2281
Re: Qiyam: Please contact me at this address.
Dear Udaipuri, What I have written is entirely true. This should maybe help you realize how out of touch most of the members who participate on this board are with truths in religion. I have constantly corrected members on basic info like prayer, zakat and khums, fasting, history, etc. If they have ...
- Tue Oct 08, 2002 3:28 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Any Hafize Quran among Bohras
- Replies: 3
- Views: 802
Re: Any Hafize Quran among Bohras
Dear Udaipuri, According the website of Mahad Zahra, which is a segment of Jamia Safiyah in Surat that specializes is teaching recitation and memorization of the Quran, they have graduated 106 hufazul'Quran to date. This does not includes of course though who memorized the Quran in school or on thei...
- Tue Oct 08, 2002 1:56 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Qiyam: Please contact me at this address.
- Replies: 14
- Views: 2281
Re: Qiyam: Please contact me at this address.
Dear Serendipity and like minded,
my email is qiyam786@islam.com. I would happy to contact you and try to answer those questions I am capable of....please do not expect from me to be a "true scholar" (as I see it) though. Fi amanillah.
my email is qiyam786@islam.com. I would happy to contact you and try to answer those questions I am capable of....please do not expect from me to be a "true scholar" (as I see it) though. Fi amanillah.