Dawoodi Bohra Forum

Dear Br. Khan, I have decided not to engage readily on this board for the exact reason I wrote...whether you provide proof or not...it makes little difference. Minds have already been made up. I have debated on this board for the last year or so on many topics...to little effect. This very topic was...

To all, I would just add as a final statement...if it shows no effect to curse ones who has offended and/or harmed the ahlul bayt..then there is also no need to praise the ahlul bayt...or anyone for that matter...because it has no effect in the same manner. Obviously, I believe this idea goes agains...

Muddai, Firstly, lets point out that the terms insider or ministers are not applied to in the clause in 501. You have not quoted any info in regard to this. The little piece of information your scenario fails to address is that the Congregation is not the employer of the Amil. They are NOT required ...

Sorry,
My last post was for Mumineen and Mohd. Hussain (not Anajmi)

MH,
Get the truth, instead of hearsay...then tell me about it.

Observer,
If you knew the response...why not try answering it.

Dear MF, the following is the same reply I gave 2 years ago to you: posted 12-04-2001 04:17 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Muslim First, Translation by Picktall "[8.41] And know that whatever thing you gain, a fifth of it is for Allah an...

MH, I have quoted the ayat already...I get tired of reposted them...as though they never were. I don't,like yourself, just say things. Note in the last post...I said the Quran doesn't say something. That means its not in the Quran. "You know this is called SLAVERY" -Remember, the Prophet s...

Humsafar, "So now, you're not sure whether Sayedna and Modi even met." --Firstly, quote what you know...actual info. Not what you think happen...you know the 1 crore rupees? Where's that? I don't have any info beyond "they were going to meet". So I don't hypothesis further than t...

Fazl ibn Abbas (ra): "The Holy Prophet (saas) said: 'Adopt white clothes; it is the best attire.'" Umm Salama (ra) reports that: "The Holy Prophet (saas) liked kurta (long shirt) most." Ubayd bin Khaalid (ra) reports that: "I was once going to Madina. I heard a person from b...

Jinx,
There is much in the Islamic shariah you are not aware of...maybe if you asked first...you'd learn from others on this board.

Originally posted by mumineen: Qiyam: "and the trustees made payments to members of their families from the trust fund, which is not allowed because they are trustees. It was NOT stated that the payments were not valid, but that the trustees weren't allowed to make those payments, because the ...

Originally posted by mumineen: Qiyam: They have to report these so-called gifts in the same way waiters, taxi-drivers or hairdressers report the voluntary tips (gifts from their patrons) - any income in the course or during employment. Mumineen and Anajmi, I am assuming your a tax expert...or at le...

Mumineen,
The amils are given salaries by the Jamat Organizations...not the kothar. The Jamat organizations DO file with the governments.

This has nothing to do with najwa given by individuals.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Muslim: The belief that one cannot question what a fallible Dai does with the money he collects belittles the Quran because it is the Quran that explains where the money should go. --Quran dictates who these money should and can be used for. The Prophet and Imams dictated...

Mumineen, TITLE 26 > Subtitle C > CHAPTER 21 > Subchapter C > Sec. 3121 is renumeration between employee and employer. It has nothing to do with cash or property gifts by individuals! You should refer to: TITLE 26 > Subtitle A > CHAPTER 1 > Subchapter B > PART III > Sec. 102. "Sec. 102. - Gifts...

Muddai,
I quoted from the US tax code. I confirmed it with a tax attorney.

And from your iterations over what 501 (a) says..it is you who cannot read the tax code.

Mumineen, What I quoted was an example of the Imam choosing how and when distrubution is to be done...AND NOT ME OR YOU DICTATING TO THEM. I would not call it hoarding, like you DID, because it is not my responsibility to tell the Imam or Dai what to do with it...it is their's alone. I have no right...

Mumineen, "Are you trying to insuniate that these divine Imams did NOT distribute the Zakaat to the needy but hoarded the moneys as wealth?" ---The point I am trying to make is that the Imam decides when and how the zakat and khums is or isn't distributed...bases on the criteria of the Qur...

Mumineen,
Please quote me a source...because the tax code from the IRS doesn't state this! Thanks.

Humsafar, As usual you promote what you want Islam to be versus what Allah requires it to be. "When you bribe politicians.." --Nice quote..got proof. Of course not..bringing proof for statements made isn't the reformist forte. "Thank god you know at least this much that Sayedna and Mo...

S. Insaf, Do you know that they don't give zakat? Mumineen, Your criterion for the means of distribution in #1 is self created. We as bohras have a leader who is representative of the Imam. It is recorde in Qadi Numan's Iftetah al'Dawa as well as Uyun al'Akbar of Sayedna Idris Saheb that those Imams...

Muddai, I did...that is why I quoted the amount originally. Maybe you should to understand the things you quote from the tax code. Mumineen, As I also stated, gifts are NOT to be reported as income because the Goverment doesn't consider them income, unless they exceed the stated amount, according to...

Mumineen, "We have adequately refuted his all so-called facts before" --You've refuted squat so far. You made alot of unproven, unhistoric, and unfactual statement...but none have refuted! Let me give you a tidbit from this thread: You wrote as your refutation of the position of the Dawat:...

Dear MF,
the red rumal is what contained the pyaya. Pyaya are the bones (unbroken or cut at the joints) of the sacrificed lamb or goat. This is considered laying the foundation of any structure and is done before the foundation is constructed.

However the fact that one must not touch metal during eclipse when pregnant, and not look at the eclipse etc.... these were not traditions of the prophet (saw) and stemmed from hindu traditions I believe, only in India. Muslims in the arab countires do not follow such traditions/ superstitions. I d...

Muddai, One other point: You point #1 and #2 are incorrect for the clause. they would be correct if: 1. All monies are given to a person, cash or check, salaam or mail in the name of the organization as earning . 2. If the person is a minister of an exempt organization and is recieving this money as...

Muddai, think about your argument a little. No part of the net earnings of a §501(c)(3) organization may inure to the benefit of any private shareholder or individual. The purpose of the clause you quoted is so that the funds collected in the name of the organization is not for the purpose of privat...

Muddai, You are still confusing the two items. The jamat organization is not formed nor organized to benefit the organizer. The jamat is not organized to just collect najwa. None of the money given in the name of the jamat is or can be used by members of the organization for personal gain...except a...

Humsafar, I noticed you left out the part about ACTUALLY KNOWING and quoting a source of info. for the 1 crore rupees. I know it is the habit of the reformists. "But do you accept that Sayedna and Modi met." --the only info I have is that there was to be a meeting. I have yet to read from ...

Muddai, A little piece of info. you forgot. A gift is not considered income...nor can or should it be claimed as income...according to US tax code. This has nothing to do with it being a charity or non-exempt organization. YOUR NOT GIVING MONEY TO THE ORGANIZATION. If you had read my post completely...

MF, I am not a doctor..nor do I admit to play one. So, unlike yourself, I cannot say what physically occurs to a woman during an eclipse. Apparent YOU as man can. I'll be sure to use you as reference...thanks. The picture shows Maulana laying the foundation of the masjid which the pyaya (lower legs)...