Dawoodi Bohra Forum

There is a very simple reason for the submissiveness (either conscious or unconscious). There are some basic things we all want in our lives - food, shelter, work, a social life, a spouse and family, and more vaguely an identity. Being a Bohra and complying with norms (and arbitrary rules) allows th...

I've noticed that books on the Dawoodi Bohras (except some recent work by Blank) are quite difficult to get a hold of, particularly the Gulzare Daudi of Abdul Hussain - though other recent work (e.g. The Bohras) is almost as difficult. Having finally acquired a copy of GD, how does one determine whe...

Very good points raised by Dr. Rashid. His point (h) can also be extended to secular academics. I have met only one "Muslim" faculty in my time in higher education (at least in the US). He was a part-time lecturer in Islamic studies with a conservative bent. In my opinion, the dearth of *r...

Muhammad allowed the Arabs to keep this pagan ritual. Hajj and the rituals involved were definitely one of his major concessions that he knew he had to make for this new religion to survive. If he didn’t allow the stone throwing and all the other stuff to be practiced, Islam probably would not be ar...

Brother, I agree with you about the ignorance of Muslims(and most people in general). But about the Hindu concept of God – the concept of the all encompassing Brahman can only be seen in the later Vedic texts that try to explain the earlier texts in an esoteric way – and for the most part until only...

Brother, I agree with you about the ignorance of Muslims(and most people in general). But about the Hindu concept of God – the concept of the all encompassing Brahman can only be seen in the later Vedic texts that try to explain the earlier texts in an esoteric way – and for the most part until only...

Didn’t you know...some sects of Islam forbid common sense.

Quite biased, I would add. Jonah Blank was dined abd wined by the Kothar in Mumbai when he wrote the book - "embedded" in Kotahar, if you like!! So if you wish to read about one-sided view of the Bohras, carry one. Alternatively you could supplement it by Dr. Asgar Engineer's "Bohras...

A relative went through this process and it was simply centered around taking the Misaq, and the intent or practise of the religion thereafter, seemed to be irrelevant. In fact, the one who took the Misaq has no idea what he took an oath to. Exactly - that’s what happened in my family too - the per...

The way I’ve seen most people in my family circle get around this is to make the “non-Bohra” whether he/she is a Christian, Jew, etc. is to just take Misaq … It doesn’t have to mean anything..

sh

There is a good book called “Mullahs on the Mainframe” by Jonah Blank – you can purchase it on Amazon.. its got all the info about history and practices of the Bohras.

sh

WE believe Holy Prophet was PERFECT and there was nothing that he retracted from. His beliefs and teachings were firm and final. No question about that. Anyone who thinks Rasul changed his mind over matters of belief does not belong to us. You can believe what you want, but Muhammad never claimed t...

Muhammad (PBUH) and his companions were able to adjust their beliefs .......n depending on the circumstances. Don't ever say that again, it makes no sense What do you mean it makes no sense? Muhammad was smart, even if you look at the order of revelation of the Quran from a purely non-religious stan...

Mumin110, you both have proved that not only are you MUDDAI but your are KAFIR as well.. so why are you on this site?? oh yes... Kafirs get along well with Munafiqs. Wait, isn’t the title of the page “Progressive Dawoodi Bohras”? Are you one of those that people that also curse Abu Bakr and the othe...

Sometimes when I read these people quoting hadith about what heaven will be like.. it just sounds like little kids retelling the ferry tales their parents told them so they wouldn’t be afraid of the monsters under their bed. So sad, so sad. No wonder Islam is the largest backward religion in the wor...

Brother Muslim First, Yes there absolute freedom of religion in US of A. Go to a judge and tell him you divorced your wife as per Islamic Shariha or a muslim dies without a will then you want to divide his property as per Quranic Instructions. Yes but there is way out to include Islamic concept in c...

Br. Anajmi,

The USA has a uniform Civil Code. And from what I've experienced ... There is much more religious freedom here than I've seen in India.

sh

I was wondering what people thought about having a uniform civil code in India. I think it’s necessary as a first step to quell the resentment towards Muslims. Why should Muslims have different laws than other people in the country.. I think it's absurd. Would like to hear what others think. sh

Muddai, Barwani started this thread off with a new approach to how parents teach their children about religion should be thought up. I am trying to understand how sending children to Muslim countries to experience oppression, public executions, lack of basic human or religious rights, and humiliatin...

Br Muslim First, It would be good idea if Islamic organizations started something like "Peace Core" so young Muslim American can go to Muslim countries and do some volunteer work. I agree, but I’m afraid of kind of work these Islamic Organizations are going to sponsor. I’ve personally lost...

The reality is that you are a lot more effective and it is a lot easier to change the world when you have all of the above..... Now that’s total crap … I don’t see the indo-yuppies getting their hands dirty to go and make a difference – they might donate to a charity or two – but for the most part,...

ANYBODY GOT A PLAN !! Young people have to get involved. They have to take their First world educations and go back to India or Pakistan and immerse themselves in the development and politics over there. That’s the only way things are going to change. And no one can organize or plan this – its got ...

I seriously don’t understand why people continually bicker about obscure facts that do not have any bearing on the real spiritual life of an individual in Islam. Please don’t forget that the core message of the religion that Muhammad brought was the Oneness of God. Bickering about what Caliph did wh...

That is only if you want them them to be harmful and misguided, as opposed to harmless and misguided. Sad but true. If you truly mean a new approach teach them the universal right and wrong, existence of a higher being, expose them to various religions (mosque, church, temple, etc.) and respect the...

How do you think children should be taught Islam? What concepts should be taught to them, and at what age do you think children should start learning about God, etc. ? I think the education of children, and the control over their minds starting at a very young age has a lot to do with why the Bohra ...

I am simply stating that a God is meant to be idolized and that is what the Quran is about. I am simply confused at your statement since you are an obvious believer of God and the Quran. I agree, God wants to be idolized – but not turned into a physical idol. sh PS: Let me cut and paste a definitio...

Br. Anajmi,

I was trying to say exactly what you just said.

sh

Br. Muslim First, there is no room in Islam for forcing Islam on those who do not want to believe in it ot to force anybody to practice it. It is also very questionable if the things that these people were trying to enforce can even be considered Islam. Br. Anajmi Please do not blame the religion fo...

Absolutely, and therefore one must not pretend that they have the monopoly of God's sense of good . God fearing Muslims, Hindus, Christians, and Jews and non-God fearing atheists have a lot of good in common. Therefore, it comes from the conscience and not from reading instructions in the Holy Book...

Khairan, you're right that there isn't the same kind of direct conditioning involved in teaching someone about Heaven or Hell as their is in zapping a mouse every time it approaches a bit of cheese. However, the associations are made, and the motivation is established. Unfortunately, because no actu...