Dawoodi Bohra Forum

Humsafar, I have not trivilized the reformist cause, you and your kind have. "To point out just one fact: Sayedna saheb met Modi and gave him a donation of 1 crore rupees" --What source did you get that from? Is it the same source that claimed mithaq didn't exist before Marhum Sayedna? Was...

Anwar, I do know...a chittiwala..as you so playfully call them...are person who pay the share in being part of a jamat and supporting that jamat. They are are more importantly those the uphold the pillar of Zakat..and have paid their zakat and khums (you know the wajibat). This is the minimum level ...

Alsojinxed, MF, My point in writing what I wrote is that there are traditions that do not have scientific knowledge of yet. This is why I posted the comparisions with sleeping on the side and wearing or not wearing a gold ring. It wasn't until recently that we as human were able to scientifically af...

alsojinxed, firstly, it is wise not to call something myth or superstition..until you know the reason behind it. Muslims didn't until this century understand why the Prophet said to sleep on your side (it is better for your spine) or why men shouldn't wear gold and women should (gold affects men's b...

Humsafar, I'm sure there is some truth. The problem is it get lost with all the other rubbish that comes along with it. When your ask to pay your part like sabil...it's slammed as exhortion and non-islamic...and the Dai is blamed directly. The problem is a jamat can not exist without contributions f...

MF,
the point was that the Prophet went inside and prayed...not just the mosque. He was afraid because the day of Judgement will be like an eclipse. It is meant for men and women alike.

Humsafar, "I do not know either of anyone who has used such knowledge and ethos to make monkeys out his people" --In what ways are they monkeys...because they don't follow your precepts of how a person is suppose to follow their faith and leaders. Who are you to judge??? You and your like ...

Narrated Abu Musa: The sun eclipsed and the Prophet got up, being afraid that it might be the Hour (i.e. Day of Judgment). He went to the Mosque and offered the prayer with the longest Qiyam, bowing and prostration that I had ever seen him doing. Then he said, "These signs which Allah sends do ...

S. Insaf and MH, Firstly, I don't know if these incidents as quoted are true, half-true, or made up. Reformist have a habits of making up things and waiting for others to prove them wrong. Secondly, ASSUMING it is true, is the Jamia a failure...is the Dai responsible for the action of every bohra. O...

MF and antijinxed, There are many ayats of the Quran and traditions of the Prophet refered to "things not understood". Many ignorant people call these "superstitions". There are many things in this world that we don't understand which the Prophet has given advice to avoid. Good a...

Humsafar, the paper tiger is your understanding and knowledge of the Faith and its arkans. Muddai stated "What if they agree to the rights of the Dai, but feel that he is corrupt and extorting more than his right allows ? What is the recourse if the fallible Dai is corrupt and engages in abuse ...

Dear Muddai, Learn what is a tax on gift and one of charitable donation first before declaring what is legal and what isn't. A charitable donation is just that...a donation for a cause or organization...like the upkeep of a mosque, etc. This is something you must have a receipt for and which you can...

Porus, your reference in comparision has a flaw..the divine right of kings is not recorded in church doctrine before the kings created it. The divine right of the leader of the community is established from the Quran. Your presupposition is that no other Dai, Imam or Prophet took on this role in thi...

Akbar,
This is exactly the dilemma the reformist can never answer because it is a double edge sword.

If they agree to the rights of the Dai...they cannot pass judgement against him.

If they disagree to the rights of the Dai...then they disown themselves of the Dawat.

MF, I have read the Quran...Allah also says to seek means of nearness to him. He also says for us to follow the awily'allah as guides. Wasila was promoted by the Prophet...he himself said he is a wasilah to his ummah. And if all you see is deedar and qadam bosi...then you know very little about bohr...

MF, What I meant by "caved in" is that I gave you proof from the Quran and sunni hadith reference to. You had no rebuttal. And bohras do not worship Sayedna...he is a wasila and a guide to worshipping Allah ONLY. This is allow both in Quran and sunnah. We've had these discussions as well.

MF,
we had these discussion...I gave you references for every issue. You caved in. Let's not do this again.

"can you please provide with information of him starting any higher educational institution anywhere?"

---Ever heard of Jamia Saifyah..Karachi. How about Mahad al'Zahra, the Quranic academy which an extension of the the Jamia in Surat.

Mumineen, "Show us where in the Quran, Sharia or Hadith it says that “Zakat ul'mal, Zakat ul'Fitr, and Khums all are part of ZAKAT (the PILAAR)and are all due to the Imam or his represenative the Dai!” ---Firstly, this has been discussed before on many thread...look for yourself. Secondly, read...

Mohd Hussain, In my discussion, you are the last to support your argument...and then accuse other of not doing so. It would be wise not to throw stones...you neither had Sayedna with Modi nor any context to you references. Anwar, It is odd that while arguing a point...evidence of that point is never...

S. Insaf, Its like you view things from a telescopic lense...filter in ONLY what you want to hear and see. Its funny how people in Pakistan and India all know about Sayedna and his character and teachings...without having to make public notice of it. You talk of people who write and talk of modern i...

Mumineen, It is obvious you didn't listen to what you were taught..the bohra madarasa. Salam means peace is done on many various occassion...majority of time not giving najwa. I'm sure when you did salam to your family and friend for pehli raat...you didn't give najwa to everyone (hopefully you did ...

Insaf, "Whatever prestige we have as Dawoodi Bohras is because of our past history" --sorry but most of the other communities didn't even know about bohras before the current Dai (TUS). You think the King Hussein of Jordan knew of the bohras in India before meeting our Sayedna. You think t...

M, Clarifications: salam is where you hold the persons hand. najwa is the what you give (such as money) to the person for something they have done or as a favor to them. "Since when did the fitra, and khums become a pillar of Islam?" --Since the Quran instituted it...since the Prophet requ...

M, you say that fasting and ibadats are not a problem...but the other pillar of the faith...zakat ul'fitr and khums are (Salams and najwa are not required). It is funny that the irkans that require money is difficult for you, but the others are not. Show's us a little of your character and your fait...

MH, "In other words Br Qiyam You are implying that you need either SafaiChithi or Raza to do anything in the community!" ---Again, there is like a huge difficulty in connecting the dots. Is the only things you do all day and every day things related or tied to the religious institutions or...

I love this Insaf, You, a holier than thou propornent, a socalled knower of the real DAWAT, calls the Dai al'Mutlaq, an insignificant individual. Wow!!! Even the reformists wouldn't go to that kind of idiocy!!! "Please understand the changes brought in our community since late Sayedna’s time in...

Godbless, Firstly, I am not an apologist...because I have nothing to apologize for. If I am anything is a corrector of false statement made by ignorants who are to lazy to research their statements first before arguing about them!!! The stupid comments I referred to we're: "You are lying and I ...

Porus wrote: "Safai Chitthi is required for ceremonies (weddings etc) performed away from home town." ---correct...when doing ziyarat or having a religious ceremony in another jamat a safai chitti is required. It is not required if you are doing any of these RELIGIOUS things in your home t...

S. Insaf wrote: "We reproducing the facts from books of Daawat. If we are misquoting you are free to point out" ---I have yet to read a quote by a reformist from the books of dawat to prove a point. The standard method is that of the devil...he will sow a seed of infactual information...an...