Dawoodi Bohra Forum

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Wishing you and your loved ones the very best.

Not sure about Qiyam, but an apology to me negates the term infallible

Could you define Wahabism?
Then I will tell you wether I am Wahabi or not
It is my understanding that Wahabis are those that take the Quran literally, and a very rigid interpretation of the Quran and Hadith rules every aspect of their lives.

Awaiting your answer Muslim First

Well one can read that and feel victimized. What is more important is asking why such is the case in various parts of the globe these days ? As unfortunate as these instances are where innocents are involved, there is no vision among the Muslim lpolitical leadership or the clergy beyond proclaiming ...

How about Ludo ?

Furthermore it would only make sense if the minority had input in the process and the leader was democratically elected.

"Would you go live in Saudi Arabia or Iran as a citizen of those respective countries?" Actually a lot of them would love to, except that the Saudi Arabian and Iranian immigration laws are very strict for Muslims and not as tolerant and forgiving as the Western countries that these same in...

It is my understanding that Wahabis are those that take the Quran literally, and a very rigid interpretation of the Quran and Hadith rules every aspect of their lives.

My apologies in advance, if I have misunderstood your posts.

"But then what is the point in kicking an ass that has taken a lot in any case? "

""are you saying this because it is explicitly allowed in the quran?"

Qiyam, I can't help but notice that you conveniently, and interchangeably, use the terms Islam, Muslim and Dawoodi Bohra when it serves your purpose. You brag about conversions to Islam while you disagree on pretty much everything with Muslim First, and Anajmi who embrace Wahabism, and even Engineer...

I almost came to Qiyam's defense since there appeared to be no evidence that the Hunting Trip existed. This goes to an earlier point I made in a discussion with Qiyam. Our "experiences" are real, and the fact that Qiyam wouldn't have believed it unless and until an "official site"...

Mohd.

Where did you find the response quoted above ?

Qiyam,

Thank you for the clarification. I believe we are in agreement now.

Qiyam, You are contradicting yourself. If a Safai Chitti is only used while travelling, then "Just as a four year needs a passport...so he/she need a safai chitti." is a false statement. One would only need one for travelling. You have now expanded your statement by saying "or within ...

Qiyam, I have pointed out that you claimed that the Safai Chitti is a letter of introduction, which is a false statement. You claim that it is usually only used when travelling which is a false statement. If the above were true, then one would request one only when travelling, as one would a Visa or...

Huzaif, "His" mosque as in ? Last time I checked they were all signed over to the Dai. My personal experience was that there was little emphasis on Allah, and the worship was directed at the Dai. ..or at least you would have to accept him as your agent / broker to get to Allah. Please corr...

Qiyam, "So far everything you claim....I can find actual dawat texts and publishing to back my statement up. " So far you haven't found a damn thing that refutes my real world experiences, and even if you were to find "dawat texts", they would be meaningless unless enforced by re...

Mr. Engineer, I respect what you have done for the community under very difficult circumstances in a community ruled by fear, not knowledge. However, it is my opinion that your Progressive movement does not go far enough, because you have had the opportunity to provide the Bohri community with an al...

Qiyam, My post was not directed at you, but it might as well have been. "---Never said safai chitti doesn't exist". On 7/12/02 you replied to Hafeez by calling the Safai Chitti a "letter of introduction". On 9/16/02 you replied to Believer by saying "The safai chitti is usua...

Let us cut through the chase and forget the BS. We all know for a fact that the Kadam Bosi times are much awaited, and announced. You guys don't care what's in the Quran or what the intent is, and neither do I. "Safai Chitti doesn't exist", "Raza is voluntary", "Shahzadas ha...

Anajmi,

"I just didn't want to continue a lame discussion. "

THANK YOU !

-God Bless

Joe, If you have to by cash, then you can still take the deduction provided you document your requests for a receipt. If you get audited, then you will be covered as long as you show the proof of your request for a receipt. Furthermore, it will also lead to an audit of your Jamat's finances. Now on ...

"How many times have you gone to the masjid ? " Not that it's any of your business but I went regularly until my mid-teens. Then common sense took over, and the rituals of lifafas with various amounts of currency (21, 152 etc.), paid titles (Mullas, Sheikh etc.), Madrasas where they taught...

Huzaif, "They cannot see that it is the masjid which elevates the soul of a moomin to higher grades in heaven. " How does that happen ? Please enlighten me with your analysis, since we can all agree that one can pray at home as well. How about the funds used (and abused) while building the...

"You certainly made a lot of sense this time around."

Thank you "brother" Anajmi. I can finally articulate my thoughts in a way that you can understand, and even agree with .

Anajmi, "Most Indians I know" and "Most Americans I know" ? With you intellect, you may know 1 Indian and 2 Americans, and we are supposed to respond to the revelations of your experiences and statistics? This is even worse than I thought. Please get off this damn board and quit ...

Anajmi, I thought everyone had one too until I read your posts, now I don't know. You seem to be spewing a lot from another orifice. "Most Indians I know are happily married and never had sex before marriage". Please refer me to this scientific study. "most americans I know are divorc...

Inaction is always better than mindless actions of any sort. No recitation will never lead to the kind of extremism we have seen as of late.

Qiyam,

"So how can you determine if someone is mindless or not?"

I am not determining whether someone is mindless or not. I am speaking of the act of recitation without understanding, which my logic tells me is mindless recitation.

Qiyam, Your thinking is so flawed that I do not know where to begin. Again, your arguments do not reflect reason, just your faith in a human who is appointed by his father, which is a legacy that you and I won't see the "Royal Family" stray from. I am not a betting man, but would you like ...