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- Fri Nov 22, 2002 7:46 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Progressive Muslim Youth .. an Oxymoron?
- Replies: 96
- Views: 11213
Re: Progressive Muslim Youth .. an Oxymoron?
It would be good if we all acted from “our hearts”. But institutions do not normally work that way, especially religious and political institutions. All organised religions (and political systems) sooner or later turn into tyrannies. The rulers of closed Muslim societies are no more interested in Is...
- Thu Nov 21, 2002 1:11 am
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: STOP THIS AMIL ATROCITIES
- Replies: 23
- Views: 2950
Re: STOP THIS AMIL ATROCITIES
observer, barwani Excellent ideas. We reformists are very well organised in India, the UK, Canada and the US. In the US there are many reformists in Connecticut and New Jersy, approx 100 families. They have recently formed a chraritable trust. This past summer they had organised a get-together of re...
- Wed Nov 20, 2002 8:49 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: How many more Masjids?
- Replies: 86
- Views: 9360
Re: How many more Masjids?
Qiyam,
Those who fudge are normally blind to it. No wonder you are confused.
Sayedna saheb apologised to the Sunni community. I'm sure the papers of the day will have the details. One will have to look it up.
Those who fudge are normally blind to it. No wonder you are confused.
Sayedna saheb apologised to the Sunni community. I'm sure the papers of the day will have the details. One will have to look it up.
- Wed Nov 20, 2002 5:57 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: How many more Masjids?
- Replies: 86
- Views: 9360
Re: How many more Masjids?
Qiyam,
How you fudge and obfuscate. Now it's all right to curse Islam's Caliphs but bad to defame other faiths.
Anyways, if it is good and proper thing to curse the caliphs, then why did the infallible Dai apologise?
How you fudge and obfuscate. Now it's all right to curse Islam's Caliphs but bad to defame other faiths.
Anyways, if it is good and proper thing to curse the caliphs, then why did the infallible Dai apologise?
- Wed Nov 20, 2002 12:09 am
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: STOP THIS AMIL ATROCITIES
- Replies: 23
- Views: 2950
Re: STOP THIS AMIL ATROCITIES
Right, only bohras can bring about change. Other progressive sectors of society can provide crucial support (as they are already doing in India) but the onus of ultimate change will me on the bohra masses. We're making progress here. Distributing articles is a good idea. Creating awareness about thi...
- Tue Nov 19, 2002 11:56 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: How many more Masjids?
- Replies: 86
- Views: 9360
Re: How many more Masjids?
Qiyam, You miss the point when you start listing merits of Islam against other faiths. Comparisons are odious, especially of religions. No matter, I do not wish to belabour the point any further. Your assertion that "we are taught not to defame others faiths" is wrong. Forget other faiths,...
- Tue Nov 19, 2002 4:51 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: How many more Masjids?
- Replies: 86
- Views: 9360
Re: How many more Masjids?
Qiyam, You know what I'm driving at . The question is of spiritual (intellectual) honesty. If you were a Hindu, would you have bothered to study other religions? And if your study led to the Quran being the most enlightened book, would you have converted to Islam? Probably not. So back to my origina...
- Tue Nov 19, 2002 12:20 am
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: STOP THIS AMIL ATROCITIES
- Replies: 23
- Views: 2950
Re: STOP THIS AMIL ATROCITIES
It is wrong to assume that reformist bohras are trying to change people or their belief systems. Our agenda is simple and well documented (pls see reform issues section of this site). It is wrong to say that reformists do not know what they want. Reformists want changes in the ways affairs of the co...
- Mon Nov 18, 2002 8:17 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: How many more Masjids?
- Replies: 86
- Views: 9360
Re: How many more Masjids?
The question is, would you still swear by the Quran if you were born into a different religion?
- Sun Nov 17, 2002 10:31 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: STOP THIS AMIL ATROCITIES
- Replies: 23
- Views: 2950
Re: STOP THIS AMIL ATROCITIES
barwani is right. it is important for reformists to create a real optoin for the orthodox to want to revolt against the priesthood. of course, it is not as easy as it sounds. but reformist will have to think of new strategies to deal with the crafty priests. Countering the kothar's propanada war is ...
- Sat Nov 16, 2002 2:45 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: How many more Masjids?
- Replies: 86
- Views: 9360
Re: How many more Masjids?
Qiyam, You swear by the Quran and its virtues because you "are born into this religion" (your words). This is an accident of birth. What if you were born to Christian or Hindu parents? I doubt you would then view Islam and its teachings in the same light as you do now. So, the point is, yo...
- Sat Nov 16, 2002 2:12 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Let us all pray for these Abde’s And Amte’s
- Replies: 1
- Views: 527
Re: Let us all pray for these Abde’s And Amte’s
Bravo, Br Namaskar. That's a wonderful prayer. Prayer can be a pwoerful weapon if done with sincerity and love.
- Fri Nov 15, 2002 8:31 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: How many more Masjids?
- Replies: 86
- Views: 9360
Re: How many more Masjids?
Qiyam, I was not quoting Eric Fromm except the last two sentences with refrence to escape to freedom. No matter. Why should not faith be questioned? Everthing should be questioned. Every authority divine or otherwise must prove its legitimacy and validity. Otherwise all scriptures are in danger of b...
- Fri Nov 15, 2002 1:29 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: How many more Masjids?
- Replies: 86
- Views: 9360
Re: How many more Masjids?
“As part of my faith, I never would question the actions of the Imam...let alone ask for accountability from him. As the representative of the Imam..in every way...I never would question the actions of the Dai.” Qiyam, The faith that does not permit doubt and questioning is a dead faith. It’s stagna...
- Wed Nov 13, 2002 2:36 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: How many more Masjids?
- Replies: 86
- Views: 9360
- Tue Nov 12, 2002 1:02 am
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Why They Hate Syedi Mazoon Saheb - www.zahirbatin.com
- Replies: 157
- Views: 56236
Re: Why They Hate Syedi Mazoon Saheb - www.zahirbatin.com
Taizoon lives in a cuckoo land. He says we went public with this twadry tiff in the hope of getting support from Bohras. He expects brain-dead, priest-ridden fools to support him and his dubious cause? He and his feuding family is responsible for turning Bohras into a herd bleeting sheep. Now he wan...
- Sun Nov 10, 2002 11:53 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Why They Hate Syedi Mazoon Saheb - www.zahirbatin.com
- Replies: 157
- Views: 56236
Re: Why They Hate Syedi Mazoon Saheb - www.zahirbatin.com
Porus is right - this is soap opera. The "royal" power struggle is playing out in public now. The decadent kothar is getting ridiculous by the day - who says the royals are not changing with times. Washing their dirty linen in public. No matter comes out as winner, nothing will change for ...
- Sun Nov 10, 2002 6:57 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: What is purpose of life ?
- Replies: 53
- Views: 6635
Re: What is purpose of life ?
In the cosmic scheme of things, planet Earth is a mere blip - a tiny planet in one of the thousands of solar systems. That the Creator, the Absolute One (or whatever you call it) who has created this infinite universe should actually care about life on a pimple of a planet is a delusion. Life on ear...
- Wed Oct 23, 2002 8:04 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: "The lion shall lay down with the lamb."
- Replies: 50
- Views: 6175
Re: "The lion shall lay down with the lamb."
The example of white/black man you give indicates that as humans we are making progress, generally speaking. With time we are fine-tuning our values and attitudes towards one another and towards the world we live in. The Quran lays down the law on many things, big and small. But pls understand that ...
- Tue Oct 22, 2002 8:12 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: "The lion shall lay down with the lamb."
- Replies: 50
- Views: 6175
- Wed Oct 16, 2002 8:09 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Syedana’s vision
- Replies: 98
- Views: 13445
Re: Syedana’s vision
Khairan,
This is typical of mullahs. they will take round and round in circles without going anywhere. they will confuse and befuddle you until you get fed up and give up.
This is typical of mullahs. they will take round and round in circles without going anywhere. they will confuse and befuddle you until you get fed up and give up.
- Tue Oct 15, 2002 3:31 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: SAYEDNA coming again to Tanzania for an Historical hunt
- Replies: 38
- Views: 5624
Re: SAYEDNA coming again to Tanzania for an Historical hunt
Is it any surprise that mullah who have no qualms about making slaves out of decent human beings should have any second-thoughts about killing animals for sport? Serendipity, you are right, this is the strongest possible indictment. But do our mullahs care? They have become so shameless, not to ment...
- Mon Oct 14, 2002 11:40 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Syedana’s vision
- Replies: 98
- Views: 13445
Re: Syedana’s vision
Qiyam, you say... Your comment is very similar to those given to the Prophet by the unbelieving pagans of Arabia. I say: The Sayedna is no Prophet and neither is this the seventh century - the age of jahilia. And comparing me to pagans is no argument. Tinking people always have and will question ort...
- Mon Oct 14, 2002 1:22 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Syedana’s vision
- Replies: 98
- Views: 13445
Re: Syedana’s vision
Now from the sublime to the ridiculous: Sayedna's vision (the subject of this thread). What do devotees find in it other than cheap thrills of magic and miracle. These are nothing but characteristics of a peasant society. And the talk of vision and 'gaib na jannaar' twaddle is nothing but cheap and ...
- Sun Oct 13, 2002 1:44 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Syedana’s vision
- Replies: 98
- Views: 13445
Re: Syedana’s vision
Allah is a meta-relaity. Muslim is right, understanding him trhough anthropomorphic perspective is problematic, not to mention the widespread acceptance of his maleness. Mullahs try in vain (if we ignore their ulterior motive for a moment) to explain God and his ways. To 'understand' and 'know' the ...
- Fri Oct 11, 2002 7:05 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Syedana’s vision
- Replies: 98
- Views: 13445
Re: Syedana’s vision
Here's a sufi verse (I quote from memory): jo aql mein gir gaya woh la-intiha kyun kar hua jo samajh mein aa gaya woh khuda kyun kar hua The human mind is finite. It cannot know everything. Thank God for that ;-) But this is not the problem. The problem begins when scriptures and its diehard interpr...
- Thu Oct 10, 2002 11:32 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Syedana’s vision
- Replies: 98
- Views: 13445
Re: Syedana’s vision
There is a reason why mullahs want to include ishq (emotion) in the concept of Aql (reason). Their defence of this argument is ideological and has little to do with philosophy. Mullahs use the hybrid concept of Aql (which includes emotion) to justify people's beleif in all kinds of irrationalities a...
- Tue Oct 08, 2002 8:07 pm
- Forum: Bohras and Reform
- Topic: Syedana’s vision
- Replies: 98
- Views: 13445
Re: Syedana’s vision
porus, Do you expect this priest-ridden community to understand your plea for transcendental, unconditional love? Mired in money and material pleasures, what do these mullahs and their followers know about love or even religion. Religion for them is an instrument and no more. They quote the text of ...