two brothers 1 is abde another progressive

[musti952]

salaam i am from small town in india there is only 45 families of dawoodi bohra just now i am in kuwait i want to share a true story my command over english is poor so i will continue in gujrati pls don't mind
mara gaam ma 2 bhaiyo che aaj si 8-10 varas pehla beve jammat na kamo ma involve hata but kisi vaat par ye time na amil sathe mohta bhai ni ladai thayi gayee ane jammat na members r beat him and amil ye raza band kari nakhi ghana varso lag ehni raza band rahi ane ehne kai faraq bhi na pado ehno choto bhai bhi ehna si vaat na kare ane bija bohri family bhi ehno boycott kido but he lives happily without any problem but recently ye dekho ke ehna chota bhai na bacchao madarsa jaye che bija logo na bacchao sathe rame che social activities ma prticipate kare che ye sab dekhi ne ye socho ke mara pachi mara baccha no soo thase to ye amil na pase jayi ne maafi mangi ane amil ye ghani terms and conditions rakhi but sab mani lidi logo ehna mazak bhi udayo
so result is i agree nowadays in dawoodi bohra community too much correption is there ghana logo local amil ane jamaat na members si pareshan bhi che pan no body wants to social boycott of him and his family

[bohra_manus]

salaam i am from small town in india there is only 45 families of dawoodi bohra just now i am in kuwait i want to share a true story my command over english is poor so i will continue in gujrati pls don't mind
mara gaam ma 2 bhaiyo che aaj si 8-10 varas pehla beve jammat na kamo ma involve hata but kisi vaat par ye time na amil sathe mohta bhai ni ladai thayi gayee ane jammat na members r beat him and amil ye raza band kari nakhi ghana varso lag ehni raza band rahi ane ehne kai faraq bhi na pado ehno choto bhai bhi ehna si vaat na kare ane bija bohri family bhi ehno boycott kido but he lives happily without any problem but recently ye dekho ke ehna chota bhai na bacchao madarsa jaye che bija logo na bacchao sathe rame che social activities ma prticipate kare che ye sab dekhi ne ye socho ke mara pachi mara baccha no soo thase to ye amil na pase jayi ne maafi mangi ane amil ye ghani terms and conditions rakhi but sab mani lidi logo ehna mazak bhi udayo
so result is i agree nowadays in dawoodi bohra community too much correption is there ghana logo local amil ane jamaat na members si pareshan bhi che pan no body wants to social boycott of him and his family

Similar thing happened in another small town in India a while back (~50-60 families then, more people now). One family had major disagreement on masjid construcion. The family was boycotted by the jamaat. They were not allowed to be invited to any public or private functions in town. Ladies couldn't attend ladies majlises, etc. The family tried to bear the brunt of boycott for several years, finally gave in and gave a public apology (maafi nama) and were allowed in again.

The point is, Syedna through the local jamat/Amil is using the powerful weapon of social boycott which really hurts when you are in a small town. In India this has been used so effectively that no one dares to say anything against this, sad reality ...

[S. Insaf]

In in city Bombay, Fakhruddin Khorakiwala owner of Famous Akberallys and Bohra Directors and staff of Bombay Mercantile Banks were excommunicated and Syedna Burhanuddin Saheb did not budge inspite of hard-hitting exposure in the media. Such is the hight of his arrogance!

[Humsafar]

Mustu, this story is very common. This is how dissidence and opposition is dealt with. The Kothar knows the secret - that people need the community and will suffer all kinds of humiliation to be part of it. Aqs and others, please note this is one of the main reasons why abdes do not join reformists. Every isolated act of opposition will be defeated. It's a pity that nobody supported the brother, or the Kohrakiwalas or many others. If only a few more people had joined them or supported them things would have been different.

[ghulam muhammed]

In in city Bombay, Fakhruddin Khorakiwala owner of Famous Akberallys and Bohra Directors and staff of Bombay Mercantile Banks were excommunicated and Syedna Burhanuddin Saheb did not budge inspite of hard-hitting exposure in the media.

The daI did budge but after Fakhrudin Khorakhiwala was summoned to dubai (where the dai was holidaying) and after he had to pay a hefty amount to the dai by way of penalty. So you see anything and everything is forgiven provided you are willing to pay the price for it (in this case the payment is to be made to dai bcoz he is the "All-Forgiving" for the abdes).

In Khorakhiwala's case it was ironical that on the very second day that he was ex-communicated, the then mukasir, Salehbhai saab was seen visiting raudat tahera in Khorakhiwala's car. That spoke a lot about the internal rivalry and power struggle.

[bohra_manus]

salaam i am from small town in india there is only 45 families of dawoodi bohra just now i am in kuwait i want to share a true story my command over english is poor so i will continue in gujrati pls don't mind
mara gaam ma 2 bhaiyo che aaj si 8-10 varas pehla beve jammat na kamo ma involve hata but kisi vaat par ye time na amil sathe mohta bhai ni ladai thayi gayee ane jammat na members r beat him and amil ye raza band kari nakhi ghana varso lag ehni raza band rahi ane ehne kai faraq bhi na pado ehno choto bhai bhi ehna si vaat na kare ane bija bohri family bhi ehno boycott kido but he lives happily without any problem but recently ye dekho ke ehna chota bhai na bacchao madarsa jaye che bija logo na bacchao sathe rame che social activities ma prticipate kare che ye sab dekhi ne ye socho ke mara pachi mara baccha no soo thase to ye amil na pase jayi ne maafi mangi ane amil ye ghani terms and conditions rakhi but sab mani lidi logo ehna mazak bhi udayo
so result is i agree nowadays in dawoodi bohra community too much correption is there ghana logo local amil ane jamaat na members si pareshan bhi che pan no body wants to social boycott of him and his family

Similar thing happened in another small town in India a while back (~50-60 families then, more people now). One family had major disagreement on masjid construcion. The family was boycotted by the jamaat. They were not allowed to be invited to any public or private functions in town. Ladies couldn't attend ladies majlises, etc. The family tried to bear the brunt of boycott for several years, finally gave in and gave a public apology (maafi nama) and were allowed in again.

The point is, Syedna through the local jamat/Amil is using the powerful weapon of social boycott which really hurts when you are in a small town. In India this has been used so effectively that no one dares to say anything against this, sad reality ...

Brothers Aqa/Guy_Sam and others from the mainstream side:
Do you have any comments, when you insist that there is no compulsion on anything including payments of Sabil, Wajebat, Raza for every occasion etc. This is another form of compulsion where threat of social boycott is used.

[mumin]

this is a sad state of afairs in small towns and hyderabad was also one of them but the mumineen revolted and to day they are free and no longer in chains of slavery from the kothar.
it is the mumineen that give these two penny worth mullas the power and authority and it is only the mumineen that can take it away from them.

[aqs]

Brothers Aqa/Guy_Sam and others from the mainstream side:
Do you have any comments, when you insist that there is no compulsion on anything including payments of Sabil, Wajebat, Raza for every occasion etc. This is another form of compulsion where threat of social boycott is used.

br. BM,

i have agreed to the charges of corruption and coercion in few cases but that does not mean people start walking out on Dai himself. These kind of tactics were a common thing in the past but with the advent of modern means of communication things have changed and kothar has also amended its high handedness.

[aqs]

this is a sad state of afairs in small towns and hyderabad was also one of them but the mumineen revolted and to day they are free and no longer in chains of slavery from the kothar.
it is the mumineen that give these two penny worth mullas the power and authority and it is only the mumineen that can take it away from them.

are you talking about few houses on Banjara hills who still support the reformists because as far as i know at the time of inauguration of new masjid in Banjara hills when Syedna(tus) visited Hyderabad a major chunk of dissidents came back to the fold

[aqs]

In in city Bombay, Fakhruddin Khorakiwala owner of Famous Akberallys and Bohra Directors and staff of Bombay Mercantile Banks were excommunicated and Syedna Burhanuddin Saheb did not budge inspite of hard-hitting exposure in the media.

The daI did budge but after Fakhrudin Khorakhiwala was summoned to dubai (where the dai was holidaying) and after he had to pay a hefty amount to the dai by way of penalty. So you see anything and everything is forgiven provided you are willing to pay the price for it (in this case the payment is to be made to dai bcoz he is the "All-Forgiving" for the abdes).

In Khorakhiwala's case it was ironical that on the very second day that he was ex-communicated, the then mukasir, Salehbhai saab was seen visiting raudat tahera in Khorakhiwala's car. That spoke a lot about the internal rivalry and power struggle.

and the source of all this inside Info is?? or is it again some unnamed insiders.
and regarding marhoom Mukasir saheb no one can really vouch for the incident, can some one??

[ghulam muhammed]

and the source of all this inside Info is?? or is it again some unnamed insiders.

Sorry to disappoint you but this is no inside information and Iam personally aware of that. Now its upto you whether to believe it or not. For your information, not only the khorakhiwalas but a number of other sidhpuri bohras who had attended the marriage reception of the late Huseni Bhagat's son had to apologise, off course by paying hefty amounts. Also the then amil of chennai, Mr.Kher had summoned all the bohras to the masjid at night and had made them shower "laanat" on Mr.Bhagat. You can verify all of the above from your chennai/sidhpuri sources.

regarding marhoom Mukasir saheb no one can really vouch for the incident, can some one??

Here also I can really vouch for it because I had seen the late mukasir visiting raudat tahera in khorakhiwala's car just the very next day after the khorakhiwala's were boycotted by kothar. It seems he was in khorakhiwala's two tone cream and bottle green colour Morris car.

[ghulam muhammed]

The car was not a green morris but some white colour car, I dont recollect the make.

[S. Insaf]

The Bohras and their Indian Dais are converts. Initially the mission of Dawat was to invite the people of other faith to Ismaili fath. But today every aspect in the Dawoodi Bohra religious establishment revolve around money. There is absolutely no moral or priciple or fixed policy. If you can meet their demand for money you can get anything done in this slave and money-minded community. Good luck.

[guy_sam2005]

u r so right,,,,,,,,,this is a worse scenario where nooone would like 2 join a community..nor should anyone talk bout tis community or their leader..they are going to be extinct pretty soon anyways..after all they aint even 1 million..how long will this community survive under extortion and ruled by murderers.
lets boycott this comunity and theit dai and take oath never to even talk bout them
we are true bohras lets elect our own dai after all dai is just a office bearer,lets elect some MBA or a IAS to lead our community as per sharia of nabi...
are u in insaaf bhai?shall v stop talkin bout the soon to be extinct corrupt community and start discussing bout our new on islam path reformed community now?
without comparing or criticising the orthos ?

[Smart]

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This is interesting. The former apologist of the establishment, guy_sam saying that the community is ruled by murderers and extortionists. Extortion is accepted, but can you provide evidence for murder?

Since when did you have a change of heart?

[S. Insaf]

He has spilled out truth at last by trying to be sarcastic. Thanks for addressing me as Insaf bhai.

[guy_sam2005]

He has spilled out truth at last by trying to be sarcastic. Thanks for addressing me as Insaf bhai.

pleasantries ok,
now can v start having some serious discussion bout out new community,where we dont have 2 compare wit any other community,cuz according to you you n u nly are on right path,so good lets talk bout the right path only and not the wrong and corrupt path,
tell me where do we begin(anythin u say should have nothin to do wit syedna(tus) or orthodox bohras......
i assume u are quite elder to me so i addressed as insaaf bhai,,,i dont indulge in name calling but your lies and false stories flare up emotions.