TYPICAL BOHRI WEDDING CARD

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Typical Bohri Wedding Card written in "Dawat Ni Zaban" for Bohri Sissy slaves imposed by "Burha" Burhanuddin - It's so funny and it symbolizes Burhannudin as an idol or god that is in need of worship! The wedding cards 5 to 10 years ago were not written to praise Burhannudin like a god. This card is so senseless and made even worse because it is written in Dawat Ni Zaban. How dumb can the Bohras get by adopting this trash and forgetting the mighty Allah? Here it goes:

"Al Dai el ajal Syedna Mohammad Buhanuddin ni Dua e mustajab si makhsus chey. Her majlis mashhad ma Dua O na Motiyo nisar farmavey chey. Ye Dua par Malaikat Aamin boley chey. Khasatan ehna Mazahir zikra na khutba ma nazar aaya, ye Dua O ni Barakat Pehriyo lagan baki rehsay. Hakiki nemat Hudat -e- karaam chey.Ye Hudat - e - Karaam ni zikar hakikat ma Khuda ni zikar chey. Ye nemato ni zikar har haal ma wajib chey. Ye zikar shukar adaa karwa no bhalo zariya chey.Ehny hurmat si hamari Dikri-------

Tey kabul farmavi libasul Anwar ma tashrif laavi mamnun kariye---

Abde Seyedna--- Amte Seyedna---

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"Al Dai el ajal Syedna Mohammad Buhanuddin ni Dua e mustajab si makhsus chey. Her majlis mashhad ma Dua O na Motiyo nisar farmavey chey. Ye Dua par Malaikat Aamin boley chey. Khasatan ehna Mazahir zikra na khutba ma nazar aaya, ye Dua O ni Barakat Pehriyo lagan baki rehsay. Hakiki nemat Hudat -e- karaam chey.Ye Hudat - e - Karaam ni zikar hakikat ma Khuda ni zikar chey. Ye nemato ni zikar har haal ma wajib chey. Ye zikar shukar adaa karwa no bhalo zariya chey.Ehny hurmat si hamari Dikri-------

Tey kabul farmavi libasul Anwar ma tashrif laavi mamnun kariye---

Can somebody translate this in plain Gujarati or English.

Wasalaam

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[MOHD HUSSAIN]

Br MF- You know what answer you will get from our Mulla or AMil- " AAa to Tawil nu bayan che -Aiman tamne samaj na pare!"

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"Al Dai el ajal Syedna Mohammad Buhanuddin ni Dua e mustajab si makhsus chey. Her majlis mashhad ma Dua O na Motiyo nisar farmavey chey. Ye Dua par Malaikat Aamin boley chey. Khasatan ehna Mazahir zikra na khutba ma nazar aaya, ye Dua O ni Barakat Pehriyo lagan baki rehsay. Hakiki nemat Hudat -e- karaam chey.Ye Hudat - e - Karaam ni zikar hakikat ma Khuda ni zikar chey. Ye nemato ni zikar har haal ma wajib chey. Ye zikar shukar adaa karwa no bhalo zariya chey.Ehny hurmat si hamari Dikri-------

Tey kabul farmavi libasul Anwar ma tashrif laavi mamnun kariye---

Translation:

We are the special (makhsus) beneficiaries of the the eternal Dai Sayedna Muhammad Burhanuddin’s prayers which never go unanswered (mustajab)*. At every gathering (majlis) and tomb (mashhad), he pours forth pearls of prayers. Angels (malaaikat) proclaim “Aamin” to his prayers. Especially, (they) were seen in his sermons at scenes of remembrance (tombs?). Blessings of this prayer will be felt for many generations. The true blessing is the Guidance of Noble Guides. To remember these Noble Guides is in truth the remembrance of God. Remembrance of these blessings is mandatory in all circumstances. To offer thanks for these remembrance is a powerful means. In its honor, our daughter------

Accept (this invitation) and honor us by gracing your presence in the “dress of light” (libaasul anwar)


* Literally, “which are always answered

[Muslim First]

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Thanks br. Porus

I am dumb founded after reading it. May Allah help Bohras since they do not know what they are doing.

Wasalaam

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[simon]

zikra is the gathering in 1st of Shabaan at Surat which is the beginning of exams in Jaamea

[Muslim First]

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My dear brothers and sisters in Islam

AS

I am amazed at the lack of ‘Tauhid’ in Bohra firqua of Islam.

When somebody has a happy occasion of marrying off his children he praises Allah in his greeting card not the praise of Syedana.

If you look at wording of this massage in the greeting card It appears that Syedana has superior powers and every Duaa of his is answered and angels say Ameen to it.

Here is a Hadith to consider:

Imam Ahmad recorded that Ibn Abbas said that he rode the Prophet SAW’s Camel while sitting behind the Prophet SAW and the Messenger of the Allah SAW said to him,

((( O boy! (Ya Ghulaam!) I will teach you words [so learn them]. Be mindful of Allah and he will protect you, be mindful of Allah and he will be on your side. If you ask, ask Allah, if you seek help, seek it from Allah. Know that if Ummah gather their strength to bring you benefit, they will never bring you benefit, except that which Allah has decreed for you. Know that if they gather their strength to harm you, they will never harm you, except that which Allah has decreed for you. The pens have been raised and the pages are dry .))) [Ahmad 1:293]

Here did Prophet SAW teach this young lad to pray to Allah thru him, or thru some dead people (Pious ancestors)?

No he was told to be “ mindful of Allah and he will protect you, be mindful of Allah and he will be on your side ”

And what did Prophet say about Duaa? He said “ if you seek help, seek it from Allah. Know that if Ummah gather their strength to bring you benefit, they will never bring you benefit, except that which Allah has decreed for you ”

Did he say seek it from Dai or seek it from dead people or seek it from Imam? No he said seek help from Allah only and if he wills it will be approved.

And what did say about somebody wishing harm to somebody? He said “ Know that if they gather their strength to harm you, they will never harm you, except that which Allah has decreed for you .”

That means no matter how much you curse somebody or whole Umma (here all of Shias in case of cursing Prophet’s Companions) curse somebody. Harm can happen only if Allah wills.

I sincerely wish that Bohras will come out of Kufra of depending on Dai, Dead people, Imams etc. etc.

Wasalaam

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[qiyam]

Dear MuslimFirst,
If you actually saw an entire wedding card...you'd know the top of the card has the Basmala...then has a dua of Allah, khamas tahirin, aimmit tahirin, and then the dua of Sayedna.

The prayers of Sayedna you call kufara...are prayers Sayedna says for us to ALLAH.

Please ask before you make such statement next time.

[MOHD HUSSAIN]

Br Qiyam -A challenge -Please paste a copy of such a card where Syedna"s imporrtance is last & the least! You are kiddding us again!

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Br. qiyam

You wrote; "prayers Sayedna says for us to ALLAH."

Bohra Umma must be so crippled that they cannot pray to Allah. They need a sole selling (Praying) agent.

Bohra religious and social life revolves around Syedana. There is somebody closer to you then Syedana and that is Allah.

Wasalaam

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[simon]

There is a famous saying of Imam Jafar Sadiq - "If a servant of God were to worship Him between the ‘rukn' and the ‘muqam' in the Ka'ba until his physical body begins to dissolve, his devotion will not be recognized by God if he does not approach Him through us."
Now go figure why Bohras use Imams and Daiis in their prayers.

[Aleem]

Br Simon,

I cannot believe that Imam Jafar-as-Sadiq would have said such things about prayers. These is saying that prayers are unacceptable if not through him, and in effect giving him god-like status. Salvation is through Allah alone and not through any other means. I think this is one of the flaws developed by modern Christianity of Christianity which say God is only throigh Jesus -which Islam came to correct. What you say is basically no better that the contortions seen in modern Christianity.

Please do not spread such heresy.

[simon]

I have found the exact translation from Poonawala's translation.
In the chaper on walayat in Daaim-ul-Islam, Syedna Qadi Nomaan mentions this saying from Imam Jafar
"Were it the that a servant of God devoted himself so completely to His worship, going in between the Rukn and Maqam that his joints had been wrenched apart, served God without the love and devotion due to us, the People of the House(Ahle Bayt) God would not accept his devotions"

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I totally agree with br. Aleem

Precisely Bohrasm has turned into Islamic version of Christinity where you can not pray directly to god but has to approach him thru his son Jesus Christ.

Bohras has to pray to allah thru thru Dais, thru Imams.

BTW Does Syedna Qadi Nomaan mentions any chain of transmitters thru whome this statement can be varified?

Does Imam Jafar-as-Sadiq gives any chain of transmittors to trace these back to Prophet or to his Sunnah.

Wasalaam

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[porus]

Originally posted by simon:
I have found the exact translation from Poonawala's translation.
In the chaper on walayat in Daaim-ul-Islam, Syedna Qadi Nomaan mentions this saying from Imam Jafar
"Were it the that a servant of God devoted himself so completely to His worship, going in between the Rukn and Maqam that his joints had been wrenched apart, served God without the love and devotion due to us, the People of the House(Ahle Bayt) God would not accept his devotions"

Actual quote is from chapter entitled "Love of Ahlul Bayt" or "Hub al-Walaa" and it is attributed to Imam Baqir, father of Imam Sadiq.
In translation it is:

"Paradise is desirous of Aali (family of)Muhammad and their Shia. Their entry enhances the lustre of Paradise. And if any servant of the Lord performs such ardorous 'ibaadat' between Rukn and Maqaam Ibrahim that all his bodily parts are torn to pieces, but he lacks the walaayat and love of Ahlul Bayt in his heart, then God will not accept his 'ibaadat'

(Praying betwn Rukn and Maqaam Ibrahim in the precincts of the Kaaba is supposed to earn you greater rewards than anywhere else in the precinct, so they say)

Qadi Noman is primarily reporting himself and he apparently also served underr Imam Baaqir.

[simon]

Syedna Qadi Nomaan served and died during the Imamate of Imam Muiz, the 14th Imam whereas Imam Muhammad Bakir was the 4th Imam and Imam Jafar-us-Sadiq was the 5th Imam.

[porus]

Originally posted by simon:
Syedna Qadi Nomaan served and died during the Imamate of Imam Muiz, the 14th Imam whereas Imam Muhammad Bakir was the 4th Imam and Imam Jafar-us-Sadiq was the 5th Imam.

That is partially correct. I apologize for my error.

Qadi Noman (born towards the end of third Hijri century) was a Maleki Sunni but converted to Ismailism prior to establishment of the Fatimid dynasty by Imam Mehdi in Cairo. Qadi Noman initially approached Imam Mehdi and was appointed Qadi during the reign of Imam Qaim and promoted to Chief Qadi by Imam Mansur. He also continued to serve Imam Muiz in whose reign he died in 363 A.H.

So, in one sense he served the first four fatimid Khalifas.

While Ismailies consider Daaim a religious document with mandatory prescriptions for the faithful, it appears to me to be a highly political tract designed to bolster the power and religious authority of the fatimids.

It would be instructive to study the Ithna Ashari view of Imam Sadiq and compare it with the Ismaili view.

[simon]

While Ismailies consider Daaim a religious document with mandatory prescriptions for the faithful, it appears to me to be a highly political tract designed to bolster the power and religious authority of the fatimids.

It would be instructive to study the Ithna Ashari view of Imam Sadiq and compare it with the Ismaili view.

Br. Porus, Just because you do not like the absolute power and absolute obedience towards Imams, does not mean that you start implying invalidity of the text in Daaim-ul-Islam.
Anyway, let me quote something else from Daaim from chapter of Walaya which is corroborated by other Shia text (Furat al-Kufi)
"The Messenger of God: He said to Ali, 'O Ali, you and the viceregents(awsiya) descended from you shall constitute God's elevated places between Heaven and Hell. No one shall enter Paradise except the one who recognizes you, and you recognize him and no one shall enter the fire but he who denies you and you deny him"

Imam Jafar:
"Were a man to perform all manner of pious acts, to fast the length of his life, to spend his nights in prayer, to expend his wealth for God's cause, and for the whole duration of his life to perform all the obligatory acts of obedience laid down by God, but at the same time were he not to acknowledge His Prophet who bought the divince ordinances , and so believe in him and declare his claim to be true, and likewise believe in the Imam of his age, obedience to whom God has enjoined on him, so that he might obey him, it follows that such a person's acts would not bring him any benefit in the eyes of God.
With reference to such matters God says, 'And We shall turn unto the work they did and make it scattered motes' (25:23)
Similar tradition reported in al-Kafi by Kulayni

[MOHD HUSSAIN]

Br Simon: I would hate to beleive in such Imams who put such harsh condition on my prayers! By the way does the present Syedna advocates the same doctrine which has been perpetuated so long?