Dawoodi Bohras

The one and only free public forum for Bohras. The focus of this forum is the reform movement, the Dawoodi Bohra faith and, of course, the corrupt priesthood. But the discussion is in no way restricted to the Bohras alone.
JC
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Re: Dawoodi Bohras

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Unread post by JC » Wed Jul 22, 2009 2:59 am

It is all religion .......

If you do not give a TOY to a child to play, he or she will be agitiated and use the energy in doing something you would not want ...........

Divert attention, Keep them occupied, Give them targets, and take away time/energy to think independently .........

mutmaeen
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Re: Dawoodi Bohras

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Unread post by mutmaeen » Wed Jul 22, 2009 7:55 am

so that means all the achievers in every field are athiests?

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Re: Dawoodi Bohras

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Unread post by JC » Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:24 am

Bro Mutmaen

I neither said so, nor it is intended .....

I just want to separate from Human Beings .... Human Beings 'achieve' whosoever they are...

Mohammad and Ali and Hussain were the great achievers ..... of their times ....... they bought a religion (which were good policies and procedures need for a systematic and just society) .......... BUT

Look what has happened to that 'religion' and how it is misused ....

Forget other religions - they also have been mutelated for power and money ....

Religion now has become a Dead Body spreading germs and viruses .... we need a substitute ........

Please understand religion keeping in mind ground realities of TODAY

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Re: Dawoodi Bohras

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Unread post by mutmaeen » Wed Jul 22, 2009 9:52 am

yes-so the problem is not with the religion as such but its corruption

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Re: Dawoodi Bohras

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Wed Jul 22, 2009 1:25 pm

Mubarak wrote:The only three idols that are authenticated by Islam are that of Satan which are pelted during haj and as per the only pristine Islam = Dawoodi Bohras those three idols of Satan are: first papi, second (murderer of Molatina Fatima a.s. and Molana Mohsin) and third (who burned Quran).
The above is very much true as per the belief of dawoodi bohras. The bohras are made to attend a sabak before their departure for Haj which in Bombay was conducted by one Shiekh Fakhrudin Ganjifrockwala. Here they are instructed as to how a bohra should perform Haj like a) how to pray in a separate manner and how to camouflage their prayers so as not to seem to be different from the mainstream Muslims. b) Separate dates which differ from the mainstream Muslims, for performing various rituals and Bakri Idd c) to carry and read dua from siparis which are approved only by kothar and not the ones as used by the mainstream Muslims and d) Lastly, it is nailed in the minds of Bohras that while pelting stones at the 3 pillars they should do the neeyat that they are targeting the first 3 khalifas.

Mubarak
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Re: Dawoodi Bohras

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Unread post by Mubarak » Sun Aug 30, 2009 5:49 am

Khawaja Moinuddin Hasan Chisti (Garib Nawaz), Ajmer, Rajasthan

Hazrat Moinuddin Hasan said:
Shah ast Hussain, Badshah ast Hussain,
Deen ast Hussain, deen panaha ast Hussasin,
Sar daad na daad dar dast a Yazeed,
Haqqa ke bina a La ilaha ast Hussain.

Sunni neta Yazeed s/o Maviya murdered Imam Hussain (a.s.).

Khawaja Moinuddin Hasan is claiming that the foundation of ‘Haq’ on which ‘La Ilaha’ stands that foundation is nothing but Imam Hussain (a.s.). Bohras philosophy is in unison with Khawaja Moinuddin Hasan (Garib Nawaz).

Point to note is, Khawaja sahib is categorically and unambiguously claiming that Imam Hussain (a.s.) is the foundation of ‘haq’ i.e. Sunni neta Abubaker/Umar/Usman/Maviya/Yazeed are NOT that foundation on which ‘La Ilaha Illallah’ stands, this again is in unison with Bohras philosophy.

Hence proved, the insider secret is Khawaja Sahib is secretly a Mumin Bohra.

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Re: Dawoodi Bohras

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Unread post by Hussain_KSA » Sun Aug 30, 2009 7:11 am

Mubarak wrote:Khawaja Moinuddin Hasan Chisti (Garib Nawaz), Ajmer, Rajasthan

Hence proved, the insider secret is Khawaja Sahib is secretly a Mumin Bohra.
Khawaja Moinuddin Hasan Chisti RA was born in 536 Hijri (1141). While the Imam Aamir (Father of Imam Tayyab) was assasinated in 1130. The present dawoodi bohra sect is diverted from 27th Dai (syedna Dawood Bin Qutubshah). So how come he is Mumin Bohra?

Threre is no relevent of bohra imams or dai to Khawaja moinuddin chisti as he is decendent of Imam Moosa Kazim bin Imam Jafar us Sadiq.

Mostly from indian dais are off springs of converted hindus (details can be find in various threads on these board) while Khawaja saheb is najeebu t tarfain syed (the one whose parents are related to family tree of prophet Mohammed PBUH).

FYI here is the family tree of Khawaja saheb which proves that his family trees reaches to Ali bin Abi Taleb.

His paternal ancestry
Mu'īnuddīn Chishtī, son of Ghiyāsuddīn, son of Najmuddīn Zāhir, son of ‘Abd al-‘Azīz, son of Ibrāhīm, son of Idrīs, son of Mūsā al-Kāzim, son of Ja’far al-Ṣādiq, son of Imām Muḥammad al-Bāqir, son of Imām Zayn al-‘Ābidīn, son of Imām Ḥusayn, son of ‘Alī ibn Abī Ṭālib.


His maternal ancestry
Umm al-Wara' al-Ma’rūf, daughter of Māh-e Nūr, daughter of Dawūd, son of ‘Abdullāh Hanbalī, son of Zāhid, son of Murās, son of Dawūd, son of Mūsā, son of ‘Abdullāh, son of Ḥasan Masnā, son of Imām Ḥasan, son of ‘Alī ibn Abī Ṭālib.

As he is descendent of Musa Al Kazim one can say that he is Shia Ithna Ashri but not "Bohra momin". But the fact is that he is sunni sufi saint.

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Muslim First
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Re: Dawoodi Bohras

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Unread post by Muslim First » Sun Aug 30, 2009 8:14 am

Dargah of Kwaja Garibun Nawaz generates billions of Rupees. Kwaja's family controls this kitty. It would be nice for Bohras to muscle in to this income.

Personally I hope he is declared Bohra so stupid Sunni Muslims stop going to his Dargah and stop committing Shirk.

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Re: Dawoodi Bohras

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Unread post by Mubarak » Sun Aug 30, 2009 8:23 am

Hussain_KSA:
Khawaja Moinuddin Hasan Chisti RA was born in 536 Hijri (1141). While the Imam Aamir (Father of Imam Tayyab) was assasinated in 1130. The present dawoodi bohra sect is diverted from 27th Dai (syedna Dawood Bin Qutubshah). So how come he is Mumin Bohra?

Mubarak:
The only true and pristine form of Islam is now called as Dawoodi Bohras.

Prior to Dawoodi / Suleman breakout this pristine form of Islam was called as Bohras,
before that this was called as Ismailiya Shia,
before that this within the lifetime of Prophet Mohammed was called as Shia,
before that it was Islam in prophethood of Prophet Eesa (a.s.)….till Prophet Aadam (a.s.).

Thus, time line and nomenclature doesn’t matter! Dawoodi Bohras are the only pristine form of Islam coming from Aadam (a.s.), …Mohammad(a.s.)…Dawood bin Qutub Shah (r.a.) and whoever abide by the faith of Bohras are implicitly Bohras like Khawaja Moinuddin Chisti.


Hussain_KSA:
Threre is no relevent of bohra imams or dai to Khawaja moinuddin chisti as he is decendent of Imam Moosa Kazim bin Imam Jafar us Sadiq.

His paternal ancestry
Mu'īnuddīn Chishtī, son of Ghiyāsuddīn, son of Najmuddīn Zāhir, son of ‘Abd al-‘Azīz, son of Ibrāhīm, son of Idrīs, son of Mūsā al-Kāzim,…

As he is descendent of Musa Al Kazim one can say that he is Shia Ithna Ashri but not "Bohra momin". But the fact is that he is sunni sufi saint.


Mubarak:
Fatimi Dawat has great respect for Hazrat Musa Kazim.

Khawaja sahib is not the son of Ali ibn Musa (Reza / Al Rida), the successor of Musa Kazim and who is not in good books of Fatimi Dawat. Khawaja Sahib is son of Hazrat Idrees s/o Hazrat Musa Kazim.

Thus, Khawaja sahib being in the line of Hazrat Musa Kazim doesn’t make him Ithna’shari, same like Molana Ali ibn 1st Caliph Shri Abubaker. Ali ibn Abubaker has great respect whereas his father Abubaker is not in good book of Fatimi Dawat.

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Re: Dawoodi Bohras

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Unread post by SBM » Sun Aug 30, 2009 1:47 pm

Mubarak
Did not the current Dai comes from the family of Hindu converts, if so, how can you say the followers of Syedna known as Dawoodi Bohra are true Muslim and have lineage to Moula Ali.

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Re: Dawoodi Bohras

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Unread post by Mubarak » Tue Feb 09, 2010 2:49 pm

1) Quran (Re: 10 – 9/28)

2) Daim-ul-Islam (Re: Chapter name: “Masajid ka bayan”)
Mola Ali (a.s.): Save mosque from Christians, Israelites (i.e. Kaafir / Mushriq), insane otherwise as a punishment Allah will make you pig and monkey.

Bohra Shabab leader Burhanuddin s/o Tahir Saifuddin have invited UK - Christians parliamentarians in Bohra mosque, London; Bal Thakre and Narendra Modi in Bohra mosque in India.

Burhanuddin s/o Tahir Saifuddin has acted against Quran and Daim-ul-Islam orders hence he will be punished per above text.

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Keeka ka cake

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Unread post by Mubarak » Sat Feb 13, 2010 10:32 am

Keeka: small kid

Cutting cake on birthdays is the ritual of Christians and not of pristine sect Dawoodi Bohras.

Besides, small kids cut the cakes and childrens thronged around table clap and sing “happy birthday to you…” Mola cut cake and Shabab bros/sis sing “happy birthday to u Mola…”!!!

Shame on Shri Burhanuddin - he claims to be the preacher and guardian of Dawoodi Bohras rituals but himself practices rituals of Christians
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Re: Dawoodi Bohras

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Sat Feb 13, 2010 10:44 am

bhai mubarak,

who said that the syedna and his family have anything to do with islam??

a leader who disobeys the quran and its prophet and ali, his vasi and vali, cannot be a muslim at all.

he is only an inconsequential petty leader of a small insignificant cult.

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Re: Dawoodi Bohras

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Unread post by anajmi » Sat Feb 13, 2010 11:21 am

Prior to Dawoodi / Suleman breakout this pristine form of Islam was called as Bohras,
before that this was called as Ismailiya Shia,
before that this within the lifetime of Prophet Mohammed was called as Shia,
before that it was Islam in prophethood of Prophet Eesa (a.s.)….till Prophet Aadam (a.s.).
Mubarak,

Did you get all this from history or are you just creating this stuff as you go along? Just like you created those kalimas for the different prophets? There was no shiaism during the time of prophet Muhammad. If the Dawoodi Bohras can end up with a corrupt leader like Syedna, then it cannot be a pristine form. The pristine for of Islam is what was taught by the prophet. Not by anyone else and that includes ahle bayt, as they didn't teach anything different.

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Re: Dawoodi Bohras

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Unread post by Human » Mon Feb 15, 2010 8:24 pm

Mubarak,

That's very shallow of you. Cutting cakes on birthdays is not a Christian tradition. Its rather a part of western lifestyle. Came into force more so in the 18th century in Germany and then spread to the western countries in the 19th century.

I would not really criticise moula for ONE modern thing he does. For all the other things, it looks like dawoodi bohras are taken further back in time. Made more orthodox. In a way it makes sense for the community to run because if too many people get educated, they ask questions, they think about reform which is not good for the core 'system'.