Ziyarats in Misr/Shaam

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Ziyarats in Misr/Shaam

Unread postby questions on Fri Jan 08, 2010 3:32 pm

This may have been discussed earlier on this forum, but if anyone can shed light on why Bohras have Bibi Zainab's ziyarat in Cairo while mainstream Shias go to Damascus. Similarly, I have not heard any of my Shia friends mention Ras ul Hussain's ziyarat? Is this something only Bohris know about ? Do we have any ziyarats in Shaam at all ?
I ask with utmost respect and aqeeda, but dare not ask an 'abde' - the answer will be 'tamhara imaan maan kamee chay'
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Re: Ziyarats in Misr/Shaam

Unread postby Sajid Zafar on Tue Jan 19, 2010 2:28 pm

Zaynab binte Ali

Not only is the date of her death uncertain but so is the place: she is variously thought to be buried (most popularly) in Damascus in Sayyidah Zaynab Mosque, Damascus, Syria but also in Cairo, Egypt. It is believed by Shiias (Twelvers) that this mosque is the authentic burial place of Lady Zaynab, whereas the mosque in Cairo by the same name belongs to Zaynab binte Yahya binte Zayd bin Ali Zain al-Abedin.

There are two explanations given as to how she came to be buried in Damascus:

One being that some time after their return to Madina, Yazid once again sent his forces to attack them, this time at Medina, and she and other members of her family were taken as prisoners of war to Damascus where she died;

Another being that because of a famine that swept through Medina, her husband (Abdullah bin Jafer, who was not Imam Husain at Kerbala) temporarily moved his family to a village near Damascus, and it was there while praying in a garden that Zaynab was accidentally but fatally struck by a gardener's spade and fell victim to a serious illness from which she never recovered.


Rasul Husain

The first burial location of Imam Husain’s head is believed to be Damascus, Syria.

But when both Karbala and Damascus became the pilgrimage sites for lovers of Ahle Bait, Umayyad rulers became very displeased with the phenomenon and decided to relocate Hussein’s head to the far edge of the kingdom, Ashkelon, Palestine (now Israel). It remained there for several centuries, until the Salahuddin Ayyubi exhumed the head and sent to Egypt for safekeeping from the invading Crusaders.

Salahuddin was then the vizier of Egypt’s last Fatimid ruler Al-Adid and later founded Ayyubids dynasty, when Al-Adid died of natural causes in 1171.
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Re: Ziyarats in Misr/Shaam

Unread postby ghulam muhammed on Wed Jan 20, 2010 5:12 pm

In Bab Al Sagheer graveyard, Damascus the tombs of Hazrat Bilal (r.a.) and Abdullah (r.a.)(the son of Ja'far (r.a.), Prophet Muhammmed's (s.a.w.)cousin) are together under a small dome.The tomb of Bilal (r.a.) is noticeably bigger than Abdullah's (r.a.), both are covered with green; the typical color to cover a tomb of an Islamic leader or religious symbol.

Mazar Mubarak of Hazrat Yahya (John) (a.s.) is within the Umayyad Mosque in Damascus. Some scholars report that it is only the head of Yahya (a.s.) that was found when the mosque was being refurbished during the Umayyad period. Others claim that the head of Yahya (a.s.), is housed in the crypt below a mosque in the old city of Sebastiya near Nablus, and still others claim the head was buried at Muwakir, site near the Jordan river

Mazar of Hazrat Nooh (a.s.) (Noah) is in Baqa’a Valley in Lebanon.Some other scholars say that the Mazar of Hazrat Nooh (a.s.) can be in Jordan OR Lebanon OR Iraq

Qabr-e-Anwar of the prophet Hud (a.s.) is in Damascus. It is located in the Qiblah wall of the Umayyad mosque in the center of the old city. Some older traditions claim that this is actually the Mazar of Hazrat Hud (a.s.), that he was buried inside this wall when the mosque was constructed in the early Umayyad period. The mosque also contains a well which is called the "Well of Hud." (a.s.)

A Mosque containing the Mazar of the prophet Aila (a.s.) is on the western slopes of the Lebanon mountains overlooking the Baqa'a Valley in Lebanon.

Mazar of Hazrat Hafsa (r.a.) is in the Bab al-Saghir Cemetery south of the old city of Damascus.

Mazar and Mosque of Hazrat Nafisa binte Hassan (a.s.) is in Cairo, Egypt.

Mazar-e-Mubarak of Prophet Zakariyah (Zachariah) (a.s.) is in Damascus, Syria

Mazar of Hazrat Salman-e-Farsi (r.a.), the famous companion of Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.) is in Damascus, Syria.

Mazar Sharif of Hazrat Ruqayyah bint Imam Hussain (a.s.) is in Damascus, Syria.

Mazar Sharif of Hazrat Sakina bint Imam Hussain (a.s.) is in Damascus, Syria.
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Re: Ziyarats in Misr/Shaam

Unread postby questions on Thu Jan 21, 2010 1:15 am

Thank you both for your answers.
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Re: Ziyarats in Misr/Shaam

Unread postby Biradar on Thu Jan 21, 2010 1:03 pm

Sajid Zafar wrote:It remained there for several centuries, until the Salahuddin Ayyubi exhumed the head and sent to Egypt for safekeeping from the invading Crusaders.

Salahuddin was then the vizier of Egypt’s last Fatimid ruler Al-Adid and later founded Ayyubids dynasty, when Al-Adid died of natural causes in 1171.


This is not the complete story. The head was actually discovered during the time of Imam Mustansir by his army-chief and chief da'i Badr-al Jamali. A masjid was erected and a inscription of the finding put on the mimbar. The mimbar was transfered by Salahuddin to the Haram al-Ibrahimi, where it still stands.

Also, the last Fatimid Imam, according to the Bohras is Imam Tayyeb, who went into seclusion. The bohras do not recognize the remaining rulers of the Fatimid empire. In fact, Salahuddin systematically destroyed all the Fatimid heritage and officially started the Sunni rule on Egypt.
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Re: Ziyarats in Misr/Shaam

Unread postby Mubarak on Thu Jan 21, 2010 3:32 pm

Biradar wrote:the last Fatimid Imam, according to the Bohras is Imam Tayyeb, who went into seclusion.


Dear Biradar,

FYI

According to Dawoodi Bohras, Molana Imam Tayyeb (a.s.) is 21st Imam and not last, there will be total 100 Imams in the progeny of Molatina Fatima (a.s.).

Best regards,

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Re: Ziyarats in Misr/Shaam

Unread postby Biradar on Thu Jan 21, 2010 5:10 pm

Mubarak wrote:
According to Dawoodi Bohras, Molana Imam Tayyeb (a.s.) is 21st Imam and not last, there will be total 100 Imams in the progeny of Molatina Fatima (a.s.).

Mubarak


Yes, of course I know this. Perhaps I should have been more explicit. The point was not about Imam Tayyeb being last, but about the fact that the pretenders to the Fatimid throne are not counted as imams by the bohras.
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Re: Ziyarats in Misr/Shaam

Unread postby anajmi on Thu Jan 21, 2010 8:41 pm

As per science and scientists, every one who is on a throne because of religion is a pretender beginning from the prophet himself. Everyone who ever sat on the Fatimid throne was a pretender. The Imam in hiding is also a pretender. How do you choose one pretender over the other pretender?
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Re: Ziyarats in Misr/Shaam

Unread postby Sajid Zafar on Mon Jan 25, 2010 12:11 pm

Cairo is only one of the seven different possible locations for the burial of the head. This version assumes that the head was buried in Ashkelon, a town on the coast of southern Palestine. Here is a brief account of how the head reached Cairo.

In the year 491/1098, the Fatimid wazir Al-Afdal Sahin Shah bin Bader Al-Jamali conducted an expedition to Jerusalem to bring its Artuqid rulers under Fatimid suzerainty. On his way back to Cairo from Jerusalem, he passed by Ashkelon and found the burial place of the head dilapidated, so he removed the head to a more suitable place there and had a mausoleum built for it in Ashkelon. In the following year the Franks attacked Jerusalem and the Fatimid lost control over it. Ashkelon itself being at the front line was repeatedly attacked by the Franks.

Then, about 55 years later, in the year 548/1153, during the reign of the Fatimid caliph Al-Faiz, Franks of France launched a major attack on Ashkelon. The then Fatimid Wazir Tali ibne Russik (Khalifah's regent), fearing the desecration of the head, had it brought to Cairo for burial in the same year.

This account is preserved in Akhbār Miṣr (sub anno 491) of the Egyptian historian Ibn Muyassar (d. 677/1278) whose work has partially survived in a unique manuscript derived from a copy made by the famous historian of Egypt al-Maqrīzī (d. 845/1442) and which is quoted by subsequent historians with some additional details.

Bibliography:
Tāj al-Dīn Muḥammad b. Alī b. Yūsuf b. Jalab Rāghib Ibn Muyassar, Akhbār Miser, ed. Ayman Fuād Sayyid, Cairo, 1981, pp. 65-66.
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Re: Ziyarats in Misr/Shaam

Unread postby Sajid Zafar on Tue Jan 26, 2010 11:57 am

Masjid Mashhad Nabi Hussein

In July 1950, Majdal (renamed to Ashkelon after 1948) was still a mixed town. About 3,000 Palestinians lived there in a closed, fenced-off ghetto, next to the recently arrived Jewish residents. Before the 1948 war, Majdal had been a commercial and administrative center with a population of 12,000. It also had religious importance: nearby, amid the ruins of ancient Ashkelon, stood Mash'had Nabi Hussein, an 11th-century structure where, according to tradition, the head of Imam Husain Ibne Ali, the grandson of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), was interred. Muslim pilgrims, both Shi'ite and Sunni, would visit the site. But after July 1950, there was nothing left for them to visit: that's when the Israel Defense Forces blew up Mash'had Nabi Hussein.

Israel destroyed more than 100 mosques in Palestinian villages incorporated into the state, including the site where the head of Imam Hussein (peace be upon him), the grandson of holy Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him and his holy progeny) was supposedly buried.

According to archives quoted by the Haaretz newspaper, Israel's legendary general Moshe Dayan -- himself an avid amateur archaeologist -- gave the order to blow up the mosque while he was a young lieutenant colonel.

The Mashhad Nabi Hussein mosque was blown up deliberately as part of a broader operation that included at least two additional mosques, one in Yavneh and the other in the nearby Mediterranean city of Ashdod. Of the 160 mosques in Palestinian villages incorporated into Israel under the armistice agreements, fewer than 40 are still standing.

Various holy sites were levelled despite protests from the then head of the Israeli antiquities department, Shmuel Yeivin, who believed that ancient sites and holy places needed to be preserved whoever they were sacred to.

The full story published in haaretz newspaper under caption "History Erased" (http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/878851.html) By Meron Rapoport
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Re: Ziyarats in Misr/Shaam

Unread postby haqqun nafs on Tue Feb 02, 2010 7:52 am

anajmi wrote:As per science and scientists, every one who is on a throne because of religion is a pretender beginning from the prophet himself. Everyone who ever sat on the Fatimid throne was a pretender. The Imam in hiding is also a pretender. How do you choose one pretender over the other pretender?


kafir anajmi how dare you to call prophet as a pretender,shame on this prog bullshiit who allows this kind of people to even bark againt huzur(saw)

lanat beshumaaar
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Re: Ziyarats in Misr/Shaam

Unread postby porus on Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:34 am

anajmi,

I am waiting for your witty riposte to this idiot calling himself 'haggun nafs'. :lol:

Hey, haggun, anajmi is the most fervent Muslim on this forum. Being true to type, you will remain ignorant of most everything especially the religion of the Bohras. Did you find out about 'haggun nafs'? :lol:
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Re: Ziyarats in Misr/Shaam

Unread postby Smart on Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:11 pm

@Porus
I like it the way you call him Haggun. It just struck me that he could be a 'huggies' wearing toddler, from the contents of his posts.
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Re: Ziyarats in Misr/Shaam

Unread postby haqqun nafs on Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:38 pm

Smart wrote:@Porus
I like it the way you call him Haggun. It just struck me that he could be a 'huggies' wearing toddler, from the contents of his posts.



yes true i might be too young compare to many old fanatics on this forum,but i am happy at this young age i got a logic and understanding which can differentiate right from wrong,unlike you guys even after years and years of debate you are still stuck with confusion and going no where.
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Re: Ziyarats in Misr/Shaam

Unread postby Al Zulfiqar on Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:58 pm

porus, smart,

a more appropriate name for this idiot would be "HAGGUN NUSF"

maybe haggun needs to find out what it means from his arabi teacher or maybe dip (ugh!) into his own vast lexicon of arabic.. :mrgreen:
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Re: Ziyarats in Misr/Shaam

Unread postby SBM on Tue Feb 02, 2010 1:06 pm

too young compare to many old fanatics on this forum

CAN YOU TELL US WHAT IS THE AVERAGE AGE OF YOUR SHEZAADAS?
I think you are confused you have been hanging around with too many OLD FANATIC ORTHOS and that is the problem.
For proof check the Kothari websites
and you will find the OLD FANATICS folding their hands and doing Sajaads and receiving Shaikhs title
Just an observation if you have an open mind and open eyes i.e. free from abdeism, you will see the facts from fiction
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