Why Is The DAI Not Held Responsible For Evils In Bohraism ?

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Why Is The DAI Not Held Responsible For Evils In Bohraism ?

Unread postby ghulam muhammed on Sun Jan 22, 2012 8:04 am

The pertinent question which is on every sane and rational thinking bohra's mind is "Why is the dai absolved of all the evils perpetrated in the community by his administration and in particular by his sons" ? Although the average bohra is quite aware of the mass extortion, coercion tactics, unislamic practices and hoarding of illgotten wealth by none other then the dai's own sons but still he/she restrains from implicating the leader itself. In a battlefield the Army General is the one who recieves accolades for the good performance of his soldiers and is also the one who recieves brickbats in case of a defeat, the same is the case with any ruling party of a country or corporates where the head honcho is always at the recieving end. But surprisingly such is not the case when it comes to bohras and its leader.

In order to understand the reasons behind such behaviour we need to deeply analyse the life of an average bohra. We also need to understand that "Psychology" is a tool which is used rampantly by the ruling class in every sphere of life to manipulate and rule over the masses and in case of bohras we need to give due (dis)credit to the dai and his zaadas for playing the psychology game at its best. The dai and his zaadas are master psychologists who meticulously manipulate the psyche of bohras and succeed in keeping them under their thumb.

This mental manipulation starts from the childhood itself in which not only the zaadas but even the elders of bohra families play a very important role. Right from childhood the focal point is the dai as the child sees nothing but only the dai everywhere around him. He sees the walls covered with multiple photographs of the dai which are placed in all shapes and sizes and in every possible corner of his house. How many bohras hang a photo of the Kaaba or the Roza Mubarak of Prophet (s.a.w.) on their walls ? It is practically zero and the very few that one sees is hanged in a remote corner of the bohra house. The child is trained to always kiss the dai's photo before leaving the house or before appearing for an exam, here the Kaaba, Prophet (s.a.w.) and above all Allah (swt) is totally absent. In the past one could witness children standing in queue at the entrance of raudat tahera in the morning with folded hands and a pen/pencil which was brought for the dai's "Phook" with a belief that the phook will help them in passing their exams rather then praying to Allah (swt) for the same. At home whenever the child misbehaved he was told that 'mola paap karse', it was never 'Allah (swt) paap kar se". The child sees the elders going more often to saifee/badri mahal for mola's deedar then he sees them going to masjids for prayers and even in prayers he sees that more importance is given to the 'mola ni namaz' rather then a jumma prayer. Hence the importance of the dai above Prophet (s.a.w.), Panjatan pak (a.s.) and even Allah (swt) is thrust in the minds of a bohra right from childhood itself and it is a known fact that childhood memories and events are hard to erase.

By the time a bohra reaches puberty he is totally brainwashed by the 'Dai phobia' which he carries even further in his youth. The youth is now made aware of the compulsory namaz, roza and zakat which he then dedicates to none other then the dai as he is more keen of 'mola ni namaz' and 'mola ne wajebat aapvi' as the true reasons as prescribed in Islam are unkown to him. He is more keen on going for a pilgrimage to Raudat tahera, Ahmedabad, Galiakot, Surat, Yemen and Burhanpur rozas rather then Madina Munawwara as he is not shown the great importance of Prophet (s.a.w.) as there were hardly any talk of the Prophet (s.a.w.) in the house as the talks are full of the dai and his various trips and his so called mojizas.

A marriage also doesnt change his thinking because his other half too is another brainwashed woman who has undergone the same psychological manipulation in her life. Hence it is now "Aavo bhai Harka, apne beve Sarka". Moreover he is now fully occupied in business/work and has hardly any time to think about Allah (swt), Prophet (s.a.w.) and the true Islam and any effort in doing so could create a rift with his wife who is now extrtemely busy in her sitabis, burhani womens, amatullah guards etc. Hence it now becomes more or less a religion of convenience. There is also a huge icing on the cake by way of a "Guaranteed" place in Jannat by his cult leader so why should he bother ?

As age catches up and even if the thought of a true Islam now enters his mind he shuns off the idea as he has to marry off his own children and his surroundings never permit him to choose a partner for his children from any other community except Bohras and hence the bohra way once again becomes a religion of convenience for him. His energy is then diverted more towards acquiring the title of 'Mulla' and 'Sheikh' rather then exploring the true Islam as he finds mental solace in it and the titles also provide him a sense of importance in his circle which is obviously the foot licking abdes.

Even if the issues of evils in bohraism and the dai occurs to him in his old age he is then too weak and dependant on his children whom he himself has brain washed into accepting the bohra fold as the only way of life and path towards Allah (swt) and who in turn have become diehard abdes by virtue of which he is scared of being vehemently opposed by his own near and dear ones. Hence he once again drops the idea of exploring the true Islam as bohraism again comes handy and a religion of convenience. He takes solace in the ruku chithi issued by the dai which assures him of an unhindered entry to Jannat and is also scared of the idea of being buried in a non bohra kabrastan which could prevent him into entering Jannat. This way he leaves the world without opposing the dai and understanding the true message of Allah (swt).

The other reason for the clean chit given to the dai is that he is seen as a fragile old man who is soft in approach, he doesnt have a wardrobe full of designer clothes, he eats very little food which is simple at times hence the average bohra gets the feeling that the dai himself doesnt crave for wealth. What the bohra fails to understand is that his clothing is restricted to a white robe because that is is the way he carries his identity, no crooked baba wears colorful clothes and they too are restricted to either a white or a safrron robe to create a simple and down to earth identity for themselves. What bohras fail to understand is that his diet is restricted and simple due to his old age as rich food is unhealthy for him but then why does he not prohibit 7 kharas and 7 mithas with chilled pepsi in ziafats ? He is soft spoken so are the mafia leaders, the sicilian clan and corrupt politicians. Has anyone seen the most corrupt leader Sharad Pawar ever losing his cool ? He is always suave and soft in all his interviews and he too adorns a pure and crispy white attire inspite of being the richest politician of India. He too doesnt feast on lucknowi kebabs on a daily basis. Regarding old age and fragile health, will people ever change their opinion of Dawood Ibrahim when he grows old and forget about his extortions and killings ? Allah (swt) doesnt see the age of a person when He punishes the sinners, old age is no excuse for any crimes especially when commited in His (swt) name. Regarding amassing mass wealth even after getting old, one should not forget that money is THE most important factor for acquiring power. Money brings power and it is the lust for power which compels the people in power to amass more wealth in order to retain their grip on the masses. Sharad Pawar has only one daughter and no sons and he has the money which could last another 10 generations but still he craves for more as he doesnt want to lose power. "Sharab ek bura nasha hai, usse bhi bura hai daulat ka nasha aur usse bura hai "satta ka nasha".

I wouldnt like to end my post without mentioning another reason which may be rubbished by many members on this forum but even then I would take the liberty of doing so. It so happened that once when I raised this issue with a very senior amil who happens to be a close friend he came up with a different reason which was that the mafias in saifee/badri mahal indulge in black magic and for which they also take help of many babas and tantriks, the zaadas themselves are highly qualified in witchcraft which they have learnt in Yemen and surprisingly Yemen is a major hub of black magic and witchcraft. They indulge in something similar to "Mass Hypnotism", a method which is used by the likes of Aasaram bapu, Sri sri ravishankar and the late Bhagwan Rajneesh to control and manipulate their followers. The amil also stated that a spell was caste even on the mazun due to which his health deteriorated and he was totally sidelined and brought down to a condition wherein he could not raise his voice even during the recent 'Nass' on Muffy. When I refused to accept his argument he said that there is and always will be Good and Evil in this universe, as one couldnt deny the presence of Allah (swt) so couldnt one deny the presence of Shaitan in this universe. He said Allah (swt) has His ways and so does Shaitan.

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Re: Why Is The DAI Not Held Responsible For Evils In Bohrais

Unread postby ghulam muhammed on Sat Jan 28, 2012 4:44 pm

The deafening silence on part of the diehard abdes is astounding. No defence, no gaali galoch !!!
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Re: Why Is The DAI Not Held Responsible For Evils In Bohrais

Unread postby JC on Sat Jan 28, 2012 7:53 pm

Whatever good abdes get that is because of Maula Nee Dua
Whatever bad Maula gets is due to Evil deeds of the abdes .......

Hisab Barabar, books balanced, chapter closed.

And Bro GM since when Dai is 'responsible' for anything?
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Re: Why Is The DAI Not Held Responsible For Evils In Bohrais

Unread postby ghulam muhammed on Sun Jan 29, 2012 3:55 pm

JC wrote:And Bro GM since when Dai is 'responsible' for anything?

Bro JC,

As per the abde ideology the dai is responsible for all the good in an abde's life :-

Dai is responsible for the beshumar wealth of an abde but if the abde goes bankrupt then it is due to the abdes 'gunah na sabab'.
Dai is responsible for the good health of an abde but if the abde becomes bedridden or contracts AIDS then it is due to the abdes 'gunah na sabab'.
Dai is responsible for abdes succesful marriage but if the marriage breaks down or the wife runs away with someone then it is due to the abdes 'gunah na sabab'.
Last but not the least.......
Dai is responsible for getting a guranteed place in jannat for the abde but if he lands up in Hell then..........."Dai says, thanks a million to EVERYONE.............................. I badly needed some company."

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Re: Why Is The DAI Not Held Responsible For Evils In Bohrais

Unread postby Al Zulfiqar on Sun Jan 29, 2012 6:02 pm

bro gm,

who will the hold the dai responsible? you, me, or a mere slave abde???

he is only responsible to allah, but hold on... isnt the dai allah himself? he is haqiqi kaaba, natiqe quran, someone to whom sajda is wajib, someone who has the right to jootis made out of your khaal. that conclusively proves he is khuda himself.

and you want to hold this dai responsible??? for what? if there are any evils in 'bohraism', they are due to the stupid bohras themselves and their own sins and stupidity. keep the infallible and sinless dai out of it.

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Re: Why Is The DAI Not Held Responsible For Evils In Bohrais

Unread postby ghulam muhammed on Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:38 pm

Professor Adam uses his energy to thrust his sabak teachings on other threads but conveniently skips topics like this. He draws his own fancy conclusions about people on the other side of divide by introducing special threads which are a ploy to divert attention from core issues prevalent in the community. Although the absence of ALL the regressives from this thread ultimately proves the wrongs of dai and his gang but still lets give them one more chance to defend their masters. Any takers ???
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Re: Why Is The DAI Not Held Responsible For Evils In Bohrais

Unread postby aflatoon on Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:58 pm

bro gm

excellent analysis I am also of the same opinion that if anything goes wrong at the lower level the head should correct it else he is also involved in that wrong doing.As far as brainwashing is concerned i was fortunate enough to have grand father with rational thinking he used to point out the problems within the community. do you have any idea that when did the commercialisation of darees started as far as my knowledge goes it started 1978 or so can you shed some light on it?
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Re: Why Is The DAI Not Held Responsible For Evils In Bohrais

Unread postby abde53 on Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:51 am

Aflatoon bhai
when you have a large community you do not expect the leader to be responsible for every evil act. do you think that saudi king should leave his position because one of his shaikh issue breast sulking fatwa which every body made fun of, atleast no such kind of nonsense came from our Dai and his appointed aamils
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Re: Why Is The DAI Not Held Responsible For Evils In Bohrais

Unread postby aflatoon on Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:40 pm

abde53 wrote:Aflatoon bhai
when you have a large community you do not expect the leader to be responsible for every evil act. do you think that saudi king should leave his position because one of his shaikh issue breast sulking fatwa which every body made fun of, atleast no such kind of nonsense came from our Dai and his appointed aamils


abde 53

The saudi king never says that he is leading a community to the righteous path which leads to paradise for his subjects where as the Dai claims to be knowing everything and declares that he will take you to jannat (which is totally baseless and false and stated under the compulsion to keep the flock together) how come a leader of such stature turn a blind eye to the misdeeds of his sons and his appointed amils?
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Re: Why Is The DAI Not Held Responsible For Evils In Bohrais

Unread postby humanbeing on Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:31 am

Abde53

Please don’t get angry and turn a blind eye to issues in routine way of life leading to exploitation of faith. From your post I can sense that you seem too young to understand scheme and tricks of manipulation in guise of religious discourses also you may be bought up in a brainwashed orthodox environment not aware of a functional world outside the mystical boundaries of bohra philosophies.
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Re: Why Is The DAI Not Held Responsible For Evils In Bohrais

Unread postby aflatoon on Thu Apr 19, 2012 11:26 am

bro gm

i had asked a question regarding commercialisation of darees any idea?
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Re: Why Is The DAI Not Held Responsible For Evils In Bohrais

Unread postby ghulam muhammed on Fri Apr 20, 2012 6:02 pm

aflatoon wrote:bro gm

i had asked a question regarding commercialisation of darees any idea?

Bro aflatoon,

Iam not aware of the exact time and period but 'commercialisation' was definately started by the present dai much like other rituals such as giving religious titles (mafsusiyat, hadiyat) invitation to the dai (ziafat) giving masjid the religious sanctity (waqf) etc etc.
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Re: Why Is The DAI Not Held Responsible For Evils In Bohrais

Unread postby abde53 on Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:08 pm

aflatoon wrote:bro gm

i had asked a question regarding commercialisation of darees any idea?

Aflatoon bhai
what is commercialisation if you have to do darees out of respect for aamil's time you give him salaam, aamil has a family to feed just like you, even
a sunni mulvi charges you to perform nikkah and do other deeni work nothing is free in this world my brother.
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Re: Why Is The DAI Not Held Responsible For Evils In Bohrais

Unread postby JC on Sat Apr 21, 2012 12:55 pm

Bro Abde53

You cannot compare a Sunni Maulvi to Bohri Aamil, sorry not possible. Just see the differences ....... Bohri Aamil is KING of his AREA, not Sunni Maulvi ........... yeah he performs Nikah, does he get SALAMS in hundred of ways?? Misaq Majlis, Darees, Urs, Milads, Any occassion, you have to have something at masjid and who is the Chief Guest at EVERY occassion, The Honourable Aamil Sahib ,,,,,,,,,, nothing is free in this world my friend, very true!! Aamil is one of the very lucrative posts in this world .............. given choice, wud u want to be Sunni Maulvi or Bohri Aamil ...?? (just consider this from Commercial point of view).
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Re: Why Is The DAI Not Held Responsible For Evils In Bohrais

Unread postby Hanif on Sat Apr 21, 2012 2:24 pm

Aflatoon bhai

what is commercialisation if you have to do darees out of respect for aamil's time you give him salaam, aamil has a family to feed just like you, even

a sunni mulvi charges you to perform nikkah and do other deeni work nothing is free in this world my brother.


Why does the Amil get a salaam? he is paid well. he gets 20% of everything he collects, i.e. zakah. He has a free house, free car and when he goes to teach children he gets free food, free transport, etc. So how much money does he need to feed his family? Does he accord us the same? Does he wonder that all the salaams and other stuff he demands of us without taking into consideration what our financial position is, is fair? Don't we have to feed a family too?

And why is bohoraism all about money and food? I am told if there was no food people would not attend dareeses!

Believe me what Sunni Maulavi charges in comparison to DBs, it is peanuts. I have been to a lot of Sunni weddings and other occasions, as my other half of the family is Sunni, and still they complained that he was charging soooooo much! Maulavi does not come with an entourage of wife and kids. Rarely does he stay for the food and other stuff unless he is forced.

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Re: Why Is The DAI Not Held Responsible For Evils In Bohrais

Unread postby ghulam muhammed on Fri May 11, 2012 6:37 pm

Adam and his likes will stretch other threads like a rubberband but will NEVER bother to respond to querries raised on threads like the subject one and if at all they make a token appearence then it will be in the form of a one liner which makes no sense.
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Re: Why Is The DAI Not Held Responsible For Evils In Bohrais

Unread postby ghulam muhammed on Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:21 pm

Herein below is a post which appeared earlier on the forum :-

To show the modus operandi employed by the late Syedna Saheb to get the communal properties in his name and ownership let us examine the following observations from the Memorandum submitted to the Governor of Bombay, Sir Leslie Wilson:

"There is in Karachi a Trust by name Faiz-e-Huseini, which was founded about 35 years ago on a small scale. A trust Deed with really fine conditions was drawn up by some honest and sincere good Bohra gentleman of Karachi. During the last 35 years its management was so good, and it did such an enormous amount of good to the community and the Trustees created such confidence in the Community, that within the short period of 35 years the Trust, through it was started on a small scale of about 10 to 15 thousand rupees, has grown today enormously, become possessed of properties and other things of the value of 30 to 35 lacs of rupees.

The trustees themselves carried on their affairs quietly and peacefully without interference or authority over them from any of the three predecessors in title of the present Mullaji. About 6 months ago, when the Mullaji last went to Karachi, he sent round his agents to the Trustees, firstly in asking to insert a clause in the Trust Deed that the Trustees cannot do anything on vacancy of trustee no trustee could be appointed without his approval. As the trustees had no authority to do this, the Mullaji started coercion. The trustees to save the Mullaji’s molestation and wrath took legal advice, and the advice was that their action would be illegal and they would be civilly and criminally liable as the Trust Deed prohibited the interference of anyone other than the Trustees.

The threat of the Mullaji increased and he demanded that the trustees should transfer the whole concern, including all estate and properties, to his name. As the Karachi legal advisers of the trustees did not advise them to comply with the Mullaji’s demand, the Mullaji instructed his solicitors in Bombay on behalf of the Trustees to draw up a deed transferring all properties and everything to the Mullaji’s name. When the document went to Karachi, the Mullaji’s emissaries went to the Trustees, coercing and threatening them to sign the deed under the pain of ex-communication. To save himself from the Punishment of the Mullaji prescribed in the manipulated Misaq, the president of the Trustees, Yusufaly Alibhoy Karimji, resigned. There after the feast of the Community was held at the Jamatkhana and a crier loudly proclaimed that no Bohra should go out of the Jamatkhana. There were only two trustees in the Jamatkhana out of none. One of them under Misaq said that the “Mullaji was Malik and Dhani and we hereby transfer the whole concern of Faiz-e-Huseini to our august Master Mullaji.” Within a minute it was declared that the Jamat had passed a resolution, and 10 or 15 Bohras went to the Mullaji and told him that by their resolution the whole concern of Faiz-e-Huseini was transferred to him. The memorandum further continued. “Thus the biggest charitable institution is swallowed up by the Mullaji. We humbly request you, Excellency to inquire into this matter by reference to the Collector of Karachi, and Your Excellency and the Government of Bombay will be horrified to learn from the Collector of Karachi what kind of tricks and dangerous games were played by the Mullaji with Faiz-e-Huseini knowing full well the law of the country.”
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Re: Why Is The DAI Not Held Responsible For Evils In Bohrais

Unread postby Adam on Sat Jul 28, 2012 2:47 am

GM.
What would you like me to answer? Besides highlighting your accusations and mistakes?
Sometimes there's no point throwing stones at dogs.

You've found the "true belief/religion". Stick to it. And be happy and content.
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Re: Why Is The DAI Not Held Responsible For Evils In Bohrais

Unread postby aliabbas_aa on Sat Jul 28, 2012 2:56 am

Br GM
What "true" beliefs you have found as alleged by adam? Can you please share?
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Re: Why Is The DAI Not Held Responsible For Evils In Bohrais

Unread postby ghulam muhammed on Sat Jul 28, 2012 4:52 pm

Adam wrote:GM.
What would you like me to answer?
Besides highlighting your accusations and mistakes?
Sometimes there's no point throwing stones at dogs.

@ Adam,

Who said that I expected an answer from you ? Everyone is now aware that you are a kothari popat who parrots only the words being taught to him in their brain washing sessions. You have never been able to give a logical answer even to the threads created by you so how can any sane person expect an answer from a braindead abde like you for whom any facts, no matter how crystal clear are deemed as mere accusations.

Hence Iam not throwing stones at kothari dogs as they are capable of nothing besides licking the zaada's feet and running for the left over bones thrown by their masters after they have finished their sumptous meals.
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Re: Why Is The DAI Not Held Responsible For Evils In Bohrais

Unread postby ghulam muhammed on Sat Jul 28, 2012 7:56 pm

A post appeared on another thread which shows how the Dai adopted the title of "Sultan" :-

In reality all human beings are born out of a dry drop. A mortal man becomes King because of his kingdom. Sultan because of his sultanate. A King or a Sultan in order to project himself superior over others lives a luxurious life in majestic palaces and makes continuous show of his wealth and strength.

The wealth and prosperity came in the community during first and second world wars around 1918 and 1942 due to hard work and fair dealings in trade by Dawoodi Bohras. It was a period dominated by materialistic and worldly ambitions of late 51st Dai. Immediately after he became Dai in 1915 he started consolidated his financial empire. The Bombay High Court had rejected his claims of ownership of Bohra community’s properties and he being accountable to non in 1917. But he had decided to impose his absolute control over the wealth and properties of the community in order to be their master-in-command. He did it. Soon he started living in Badri Mahal and Saifee Mahal. As Amir Moaviyah converted ‘Khilafat in to ‘Badshahat’ or ‘Monarchy’ Syedna Taher Saifuddin Saheb soon converted ‘Dawat’ in to his Sultanate and started calling himself as Sultan and his family members as Shahzada/Shahzadi.

Hazrat Ali ibne-abi Talib (A.S.) had two slaves Qamber and Seed. They related after the death of Hazrat Ali:
1) Hazrat very seldom gave them chance to serve him.
2) He used to do his own work for himself, used to wash his own clothing, used even to patch them whenever needed, he used to draw water from well for his daily use.
3) Hazrat would give them good food and decent dresses and would himself eat and dress like poor man.
4) Obaidullah-ibne-Abbas was one of Hazrat ali’s Amils (governors) who ill-treated some people under him. They complained to Hazrat. He immediately warned Ibne-Abbas, “You should not ill-treat your subject. The common people should be given their due respect. You should always treat them with respect. You are representing me and your treatment is considered as that of mine.
5) Hazrat Ali was so down to earth that Hazrat Mohammad (S.A.) called him “Abu Turab.

Dawoodi Bohra Dais, before 51st Dai, as true Shias of Hazrat Ali, lived a very simple life earning their own livelihood without exploiting the common Bohras for money or service to Dai. For example even 50th Dawoodi Bohra Dai, Syedna Abdullah Badruddin Saheb initiated reforms to improve the functioning of the Dawat and local Jamats.

Earlier Bohra Dais were known as “Mullaji” or “Bade Mullaji” or “Bawasaheb” or Molana. Titles like His Holiness, Bohra Sultan, Naib-Imam, Dai-ul-Mutlaq, Aqa Maula were not used. There is no trace in the Bohra history of court records, agreements signed and religious text available, of even Syedna Taher Saifuddin Saheb using these titles for himself up to 1932.
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Re: Why Is The DAI Not Held Responsible For Evils In Bohrais

Unread postby Dbc1 on Sat Jul 28, 2012 8:35 pm

Words of ghulam mohd
" This mental manipulation starts from the childhood itself in which not only the zaadas but even the elders of bohra families play a very important role. Right from childhood the focal point is the dai as the child sees nothing but only the dai everywhere around him. He sees the walls covered with multiple photographs of the dai which are placed in all shapes and sizes and in every possible corner of his house "

I m so glad u mentioned all the details for any abde to ponder over. Only if he has any god fearing grey cells left in his brainwashed mind. :) . What has been recently started with your above reference are the madrasah saif ah burhaniya.. Now what abdes think of it as an awesome fully facilitated and latest schooling.. It is actually a laboratory for future feeble, weak, diseased Abdes.. It is one of the worst schemes as young and innocent children minds are turned into fertilized grounds to sow and reap Kothari benefits... Feel so sad for poor children losing there precious childhood.

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Re: Why Is The DAI Not Held Responsible For Evils In Bohrais

Unread postby ghulam muhammed on Sun Jul 29, 2012 5:55 pm

Over and above the 2 rakat namaz for Dai clubbed with Mansoos, bohras are now required to pray 'Tazbeel-Azam" every alternate day in Ramzan and give hadiyah to the Dai ! This is being done in suburban bohra masjids.

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Re: Why Is The DAI Not Held Responsible For Evils In Bohrais

Unread postby pheonix on Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:06 am

ghulam muhammed wrote:Over and above the 2 rakat namaz for Dai clubbed with Mansoos, bohras are now required to pray 'Tazbeel-Azam" every alternate day in Ramzan and give hadiyah to the Dai ! This is being done in suburban bohra masjids.

And what is your problem with "Tazbeel-Azam"?
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Re: Why Is The DAI Not Held Responsible For Evils In Bohrais

Unread postby mnoorani on Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:08 am

pheonix wrote:
ghulam muhammed wrote:Over and above the 2 rakat namaz for Dai clubbed with Mansoos, bohras are now required to pray 'Tazbeel-Azam" every alternate day in Ramzan and give hadiyah to the Dai ! This is being done in suburban bohra masjids.

And what is your problem with "Tazbeel-Azam"?


Problem nathi namaaz no.
Problem nathi tazbi no.
Shak to dil ma thai che,
jaare hadyo maula ne apai che.

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Re: Why Is The DAI Not Held Responsible For Evils In Bohrais

Unread postby pheonix on Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:56 am

mnoorani wrote:
pheonix wrote:
ghulam muhammed wrote:Over and above the 2 rakat namaz for Dai clubbed with Mansoos, bohras are now required to pray 'Tazbeel-Azam" every alternate day in Ramzan and give hadiyah to the Dai ! This is being done in suburban bohra masjids.

And what is your problem with "Tazbeel-Azam"?


Problem nathi namaaz no.
Problem nathi tazbi no.
Shak to dil ma thai che,
jaare hadyo maula ne apai che.

Problem nathi noraani no
Problem che ahna baap no
Baap yeh jo kaan kheecha hota
Ahne aa din na dekhwa parta
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Re: Why Is The DAI Not Held Responsible For Evils In Bohrais

Unread postby mnoorani on Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:46 am

Problem nathi noraani no
Problem che ahna baap no
Baap yeh jo kaan kheecha hota
Ahne aa din na dekhwa parta[/quote]

Mai to mumin sidho saadho
Mara bawa pan seedha saadha.
Tame to pachaawo haraam no
Bija ne sikhaaman na aap ta

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Re: Why Is The DAI Not Held Responsible For Evils In Bohrais

Unread postby Dbc1 on Wed Aug 01, 2012 11:06 pm

Does any1have any info or insights on the 4 ustaads from jamia and what hoped to them .. GM?. Mnoorani?? Anything will be of help however little..

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Re: Why Is The DAI Not Held Responsible For Evils In Bohrais

Unread postby ghulam muhammed on Thu Aug 02, 2012 4:57 pm

The below mentioned post appeared on 1st April 2002 on this forum:-

BOHRAS IN KENYA BLESSED WITH SPECIAL ATTENTION
By A Concerned Bohra

In the Kenyan coastal town of Mombasa, some 3,000 Bohras live - mostly of the orthodox group. In common with the Bohras elsewhere, they are a persecuted lot. However, compared with their counterparts in India, East African Bohras seem to have fallen into the priesthood's trap far more easily. In the Bohra world, East Africa is the honeypot - it is where the Kothar earn the most. No wonder, the Sayedna is a frequent visitor to this part of the world, so much that he “considers it his second home”.

In the Muslim world, the first 10 days of the Islamic Year mark the commemoration of the martyrdom of Imam Hussein (AS). To the Bohra priesthood, it also marks the start of the money-minting season. Two Ashara events with the Sayedna in Mombasa some years ago had totally drained the Bohras out financially and they were dreading the 1419 Ashara event would not be held in Mombasa again. Luckily, Nairobi was chosen as the venue.

After the traditional 10-day Ashara event in Nairobi, the Sayedna paid a visit to Mombasa. Now the priestly class of Mombasa had the task of selecting financial heavy-weights from the community to invite the Sayedna and his crew for ‘ziyafats'. This is the easiest and fastest way for the Kothar to make money. A compulsory ‘gift' of Kenyan Schilling 2 million (US$ 33,000) (in the year 2002) in cash to the Sayedna for attending the ‘ziyafat' is not uncommon. Most ordinary Bohras would not even dream of earning this amount of money in a lifetime. In return, the host of the party would hope that he is greatly blessed by the Sayedna's visit to his home.

Another money-making tool used by the priesthood is the awarding of titles. On each visit by the Sayedna, or a member of his family, to Mombasa, the outstandingly loyal and well-off among the Bohras are awarded the title of Mullah or Sheikh. For this they have to pay a fixed fee. For the title of Sheikh awarded by the Sayedna himself, the fee is a minimum of Shs 1 million (US$ 16,000) (in the year 2002). No loyal orthodox Bohra would ever refuse these titles. Besides, it would guarantee them a place in one of the front rows in the mosque.

The richest of the Nairobi Bohras, Sheikh Husseinbhai and Sheikh Saifuddin, owners of the vast glass empire and many other industries, hold the prestigious top posts in the local jamaat. Coincidentally, the top community jobs in the Mombasa jamaat are also held by very well-off persons such as Sheikh Shabbir, owner of a smaller but nevertheless powerful glass empire. Then there are several other powerful and wealthy men around East Africa. But they all have a number of things in common: they own sleek cars; live in posh suburbs; know little about their religion; pretend to be highly spiritual and religious; and they act as puppets of the Amil of the day. Since the Bohras are not allowed to have any say with regard to the appointment of jamaat officials, they will continue to be in office for the foreseeable future.

Then there are the ordinary Bohra folk. Knowing very well the priesthood wouldn't care less for their welfare, they struggle hard to make ends meet. Kenya's hopeless economic situation only makes their problems worse. Some of the poorest Bohra families in Mombasa reside in the Old Town and the conditions under which they are forced to live is horrifying. Many youth are unemployed. Some of these families have served the jamaat with all their hearts for many generations not knowing that they are being exploited by the priesthood.

Given the way things are going in the community, Bohra children from poor families generally have a bleak future. While parents struggle to pay for school fees for their children, the priestly-class take away the little savings they have. Higher education in Kenya is highly competitive but the frequent strikes by students and staff make learning a nightmare. Knowing they cannot afford to go abroad for higher education, many Bohra students give up the quest for learning. The previous Mombasa Amil at one point declared that he would initiate a scholarship scheme. He urged people to contribute, but with the Bohras already paying large sums in various unaccounted taxes to the priests, there was clearly no incentive to contribute and so the scheme failed to materialise.

Private tutoring of religious education is forbidden for Mombasa Bohras and parents have to send their children to priest-led madrassahs. The priests have also set up the Al-Madrassah brand of schools to help them brainwash children into their way of thinking as quickly as possible, especially the concept of blind loyalty to a corrupt priesthood. Bohra parents are pressured to send their children to these schools. All pupils and staff of these schools are Bohras, to ensure that children are not exposed to the outside world.

When a Bohra family has to go through any of the religious rites that accompany an event such as birth of child, marriage, or death, the family have to be prepared to be harassed by the priests looking for the tiniest excuse to refuse them permission. Mombasa's Bohra kabrastan (graveyard) in Nyali is divided into three sections: one for holders of the Sheikh title, one for the ordinary orthodox folk, and one for the not-so-loyal folk. Any deceased whose family is found to have the slightest fault in the payment of taxes is buried in the third section which is noticeably distant from the other two sections. Perhaps the priesthood is trying to impose a social boycott even in death.

The effects of years of welfare neglect and imposition of taxes by the Bohra priesthood in East Africa are now evident. Other Muslim communities, especially the Ithna Asheris, which at one time were no match for the Bohras are now far more successful in business. Even the Memon community now have significant health and educational welfare provisions for its members.

There are a number of reformist Bohras in Mombasa seeking change as do reformists elsewhere. However, the orthodox Bohra leaders have banned any form of contact with the reformist and those who do not obey are subjected to social boycott. Many Bohras have chosen to pay all taxes to the priests to avoid the boycott but do not attend religious functions and feasts. The priests are happy as long as the money keeps flowing in.

Most Bohras know little about the reformists and what they stand for since reformist publications are banned. However, dissent against the priesthood among Mombasa's Bohras is growing and the educated members of the community are aware of the Kothar's un-Islamic practices. The fear of social boycott has kept them silently loyal to the priesthood - but, for how long?

Source: <a href="http://www.dawoodi-bohras.com/issues/kenya.htm">http://www.dawoodi-bohras.com/issues/kenya.htm</a><p>-------------------------------------<p>
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Re: Why Is The DAI Not Held Responsible For Evils In Bohrais

Unread postby ghulam muhammed on Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:07 pm

Posted by Tanzanian on October 07, 2000 at 17:58:14:

Talking about SAYEDNAS visits to Tanzania, way back in 1967-68, MOLA the Great was caught red handed by the Tanzanian Police laundering money and contravening the countries Foreign Exchange Act. He was declared a persona non grata, -unwanted and undesirable person- in Tanzania and was deported by the Gov’t within 24 hours. The whole Asian community was humiliated.

The local Africans could not differentiate between the Bohras and other Asians and so whenever Asians were seen in the streets they were branded as thieves, looters and criminals. We Bohras could not show our faces. At that time Why didn’t our MOLA dispense the MIRACLE ?

The story about the miracle of our MOLA in 1980/90: The truth is that during that time Tanzanians were facing a really hard time due to the bad policies of the Gov’t of the time. But then in 1984, the Gov’t changed hands. A new President was elected. Trade was liberalise and so the economy became strong. Things started getting better day by day. MOLA decided to visit Tanzania but as he had an executive order of persona non grata on his head he could not. So a lot of Zakat money changed hands and the executive order was revoked. MOLA visited Tanzania in 1987 and stayed for more than two months, accepting mehmani from the rich and collecting as much money as he could.

During his stay, being a smart and gifted politician he is MOLA decided to repair the damage. So again a substantial amount of Zakat money was spent in form donation to the Head of the State and so this facilitated MOLAS visit to the State House to meet the President. No awards were or have been bestowed on our MOLA by the Tanzania Gov’t.

During MOLAS recent hunting trip to Tanzania, the current Tanzanian President did not even acknowledge the presence of MOLA in the country. The Jamaat here tried its best to arrange MOLAS meeting with President using all the available means but were not successful and MOLA left Tanzania a dejected person.

So the story about the awards, miracles and blessings of the MOLA in Tanzania in 1980-90 is all lies.
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