Poverty in Ahmedabad

[SBM]

have u told the beneficiaries that this money has came from progressive bohras? who are against dai and his family?
Rookie

Like your name suggest you are a Rookie or may be a Shark who keeps on re appearing with different ID
It is ironic that you forgot that an Aamil was beaten up in Surat, and who beat him up, not progressives but die hard abdes and even Modi's forces
could not save him, Masjid was locked down during month of Ramadan,
IF YOU ARE SO CONCERNED ABOUT THESE UNFORTUNATE MUMINEEN NOT TO ACCEPT ANY HELP FROM PROGRESSIVES WHY DONOT YOU TAKE YOUR
A-S OVER THERE AND HELP THEM, BOHRAJI HAS ALREADY IDENTIFIED THE LOCALITIES WHERE YOU CAN FIND THEM, IF YOU LIVE IN MUMBAI GO AND VISIT DHARAVI SLUMS AND YOU WILL FIND THEM, Only an idiot like you who is living on high horses can not understand the suffering of unfortunate poor people as you are too busy celebrating the Ziyafats of corrupt Shezadaas

[Rookie]

have u told the beneficiaries that this money has came from progressive bohras? who are against dai and his family?
Rookie

Like your name suggest you are a Rookie or may be a Shark who keeps on re appearing with different ID
It is ironic that you forgot that an Aamil was beaten up in Surat, and who beat him up, not progressives but die hard abdes and even Modi's forces
could not save him, Masjid was locked down during month of Ramadan,
IF YOU ARE SO CONCERNED ABOUT THESE UNFORTUNATE MUMINEEN NOT TO ACCEPT ANY HELP FROM PROGRESSIVES WHY DONOT YOU TAKE YOUR
A-S OVER THERE AND HELP THEM, BOHRAJI HAS ALREADY IDENTIFIED THE LOCALITIES WHERE YOU CAN FIND THEM, IF YOU LIVE IN MUMBAI GO AND VISIT DHARAVI SLUMS AND YOU WILL FIND THEM, Only an idiot like you who is living on high horses can not understand the suffering of unfortunate poor people as you are too busy celebrating the Ziyafats of corrupt Shezadaas

why are u getting hyper? I am just asking does the beneficiaries knows that this money is from syedna(tus) haters?

simple yes or no, will be sufficient.

[SBM]

Rookie=Murtaza2152
simple yes or no, will be sufficient.

How about you finding it out by going there so if they do not want help from Progressives may be you can help them but please help them with real food-cash and clothes and NOT WITH DUA FROM MUFFADAL BS AND WASILA OF AQA MOULAbecause that has not worked for the unfortunate Mumineen of Ahmedabad and Dharavi. DEFINITELY IT IS WORKING FOR SHEAZAADS FOR BIG ZIYAFATS EVEN DURING THE HOLY MONTH OF RAMADAN

[Rookie]

Rookie=Murtaza2152
simple yes or no, will be sufficient.

How about you finding it out by going there so if they do not want help from Progressives may be you can help them but please help them with real food-cash and clothes and NOT WITH DUA FROM MUFFADAL BS AND WASILA OF AQA MOULAbecause that has not worked for the unfortunate Mumineen of Ahmedabad and Dharavi. DEFINITELY IT IS WORKING FOR SHEAZAADS FOR BIG ZIYAFATS EVEN DURING THE HOLY MONTH OF RAMADAN

my question still remains the same to Mr bohraji.....

I am just asking does the beneficiaries knows that this money is from syedna(tus) haters?

simple yes or no, will be sufficient.

Have u told them this money is coming from syedna(tus) hatters?

[Rookie]

bohraji i am still waiting for ur reply.

[ahmedplumber]

Salaam Aliakum Everybody,
The big nights are here and very soon we will be drowning the Sheer Khurma of Eid Al Fitr. These are the days to contemplate the lives of Ahle Bait and for us to decide as how we have imbibed their values.

A gentleman from the forum generously donated RS 70,000.( RS Seventy Thousand ), his only condition being that the amount has to be used up before Eid , and also to include non bora muslims as well. I do not have all the entire hisaab as yet but I will let you know what is done.

60 food packets amounting to RS 500 have been distributed.
Few ( I can confirm six, right now ) hampers of RS 2000 each have been made and distributed as well.
Cash has also been paid to some people as the donor wanted this. Cash was distributed to mainly a handfull of old couples or widows and in one case for a very sick non bohra muslim.
Meals to hundreds of bohras have been provided.
Cash has been given to pay for medical expenses.
Admin has sent RS 81000, from the paypal account. It is still on the way and Inshallah we will recieve it soon. Plus last week we also received and additional USD 300 in the paypal account.
Rs 5000 will be distributed to a neaerby town as well.

Those of you who are still wondering and undecided. please do not miss the opportunity, you know very well , what the Quran says.
Whetehr to feed a poor or to pay for someone to buy a gold rolex.
JAK
Bohraji

Hello All.

To supplement Bohraji's mail, the Rs. 81,000/- has been recieved by the workers at the ground level in A'bad. This money will be kept aside for after Ramzan. Needs will continue even then, and for now, for Ramzan, provisions have been made.

Over and above the details posted above, 120 packets amounting to Rs. 100/- each were also distributed.

[ahmedplumber]

Salaam Aliakum Everybody,
The big nights are here and very soon we will be drowning the Sheer Khurma of Eid Al Fitr. These are the days to contemplate the lives of Ahle Bait and for us to decide as how we have imbibed their values.

A gentleman from the forum generously donated RS 70,000.( RS Seventy Thousand ), his only condition being that the amount has to be used up before Eid , and also to include non bora muslims as well. I do not have all the entire hisaab as yet but I will let you know what is done.

60 food packets amounting to RS 500 have been distributed.
Few ( I can confirm six, right now ) hampers of RS 2000 each have been made and distributed as well.
Cash has also been paid to some people as the donor wanted this. Cash was distributed to mainly a handfull of old couples or widows and in one case for a very sick non bohra muslim.
Meals to hundreds of bohras have been provided.
Cash has been given to pay for medical expenses.
Admin has sent RS 81000, from the paypal account. It is still on the way and Inshallah we will recieve it soon. Plus last week we also received and additional USD 300 in the paypal account.
Rs 5000 will be distributed to a neaerby town as well.

Those of you who are still wondering and undecided. please do not miss the opportunity, you know very well , what the Quran says.
Whetehr to feed a poor or to pay for someone to buy a gold rolex.
JAK
Bohraji

have u told the beneficiaries that this money has came from progressive bohras? who are against dai and his family?

Friend Rookie / Olum / Trader / Think / Labbaik / Incredible / Ala Maquam / Student etc... , i was going to tell you the same thing that Abde3 bhai has said but he beat me to it.

I pray to Allah and our Dai that you or your family should never have to go through a time that the poor in A'bad are going through. Because when you do, even a piece of bread given by a non-Bohra will be good enough to eat.

You might argue that as long as our Dai's hand is on us, that day will never come, and i will agree with you, but then are ALL the people living below poverty line in A'bad sinners? Surely some of them must be devout followers of our Dai. Then why are they living in such miserable conditions...

Think about it

[ahmedplumber]

bohraji i am still waiting for ur reply.

For the sake of an argument, let us assume that he has, but the pain of hunger and the shame of poverty is so strong that they have had to put their beliefs aside.

For the sake of an argument, once again, let us also assume that he has not. But when Parle Biscuits (a 33 crores God worshipping Hindu) sends Parle G biscuits as part of the World Food Program to Afghanistan, do they ask them if the sender believe in the One Gold Allah?

[SBM]

Have u told them this money is coming from syedna(tus) hatters

No the right question should be " DO YOU KNOW WHILE YOU DO NOT HAVE FOOD TO FEED YOUR CHILDREN, MALEK UL CHUSTER IS HAVING MARATHON ZIYAFATS AND HIS SON TAHA IS DOING THE SAME IN HOUSTON WHILE CONCERNED BOHRAS FROM BOTH SIDE ARE GIVING WHATEVER THEY CAN TO HELP PEOPLE IN NEED?

[Muslim First]

Charity is charity.

It does not matter if it comes from Dai lovers or haters, Sunnis, Shias, non believers or Hindus. If you are deprived and hungry then you would accept it.

[Rookie]

Salaam Aliakum Everybody,
The big nights are here and very soon we will be drowning the Sheer Khurma of Eid Al Fitr. These are the days to contemplate the lives of Ahle Bait and for us to decide as how we have imbibed their values.

A gentleman from the forum generously donated RS 70,000.( RS Seventy Thousand ), his only condition being that the amount has to be used up before Eid , and also to include non bora muslims as well. I do not have all the entire hisaab as yet but I will let you know what is done.

60 food packets amounting to RS 500 have been distributed.
Few ( I can confirm six, right now ) hampers of RS 2000 each have been made and distributed as well.
Cash has also been paid to some people as the donor wanted this. Cash was distributed to mainly a handfull of old couples or widows and in one case for a very sick non bohra muslim.
Meals to hundreds of bohras have been provided.
Cash has been given to pay for medical expenses.
Admin has sent RS 81000, from the paypal account. It is still on the way and Inshallah we will recieve it soon. Plus last week we also received and additional USD 300 in the paypal account.
Rs 5000 will be distributed to a neaerby town as well.

Those of you who are still wondering and undecided. please do not miss the opportunity, you know very well , what the Quran says.
Whetehr to feed a poor or to pay for someone to buy a gold rolex.
JAK
Bohraji

have u told the beneficiaries that this money has came from progressive bohras? who are against dai and his family?

Friend Rookie / Olum / Trader / Think / Labbaik / Incredible / Ala Maquam / Student etc... , i was going to tell you the same thing that Abde3 bhai has said but he beat me to it.

I pray to Allah and our Dai that you or your family should never have to go through a time that the poor in A'bad are going through. Because when you do, even a piece of bread given by a non-Bohra will be good enough to eat.

You might argue that as long as our Dai's hand is on us, that day will never come, and i will agree with you, but then are ALL the people living below poverty line in A'bad sinners? Surely some of them must be devout followers of our Dai. Then why are they living in such miserable conditions...

Think about it

I have seen hard days in my life, and I can understand very well how it feels when there is nothing in house to eat, but my question still remains the same, momeen might remain hungry for days but I dont think he will compromise on state of IMAAN.

so it ur duty to let them know where this money is comming from, and then let them decide if they really want this help or not.

[Rookie]

Charity is charity.

It does not matter if it comes from Dai lovers or haters, Sunnis, Shias, non believers or Hindus. If you are deprived and hungry then you would accept it.

dont know about sunnis, but we dawoodi bohras dont believe in compromising with our values, so please keep ur suggestions with you. Thankyou.

[Rookie]

bohraji i am still waiting for ur reply.

For the sake of an argument, let us assume that he has, but the pain of hunger and the shame of poverty is so strong that they have had to put their beliefs aside.

For the sake of an argument, once again, let us also assume that he has not. But when Parle Biscuits (a 33 crores God worshipping Hindu) sends Parle G biscuits as part of the World Food Program to Afghanistan, do they ask them if the sender believe in the One Gold Allah?

there is lot of difference between the muslims in afghanistan and my brother momeen in Ahmedabad.

so please do not try and dilute this important thing with some silly analogy.

[SBM]

there is lot of difference between the muslims in afghanistan and my brother momeen in Ahmedabad.

Yes there is a lot of difference, people in Afghanistan have courage to fight the abusers while the people in Ahemedabad are so much subjugated that they have lost the will to fight against poverty and injustice.

[ahmedplumber]

I have seen hard days in my life, and I can understand very well how it feels when there is nothing in house to eat, but my question still remains the same, momeen might remain hungry for days but I dont think he will compromise on state of IMAAN.

so it ur duty to let them know where this money is comming from, and then let them decide if they really want this help or not.

Fair enough Friend. We should let them know and let them decide.

As for you going through hard times, i empathise with you on that.

Now i dont wish to doubt or mock your plight, but i would like you realy ask yourself this - You have been without food for 2 weeks. at the end of 2 weeks, SBM or Humsafar or S. Insaf or Hussain_KSA or any other reformist from this site will come to you with food. Will you accept it or will you prefer to die hungry?

Please give serious thought to this question, because you might think the analogy is silly, but it is imperative to the topic at hand

And i promise you that whatever your answer will be, i will not question you further on it or ridicule you for it

[zulfikar123]

Rookie,

Rookie has tons of Bohra values to feed on..So I think he wil be ok.. He has something to fall back on.

[Rookie]

I have seen hard days in my life, and I can understand very well how it feels when there is nothing in house to eat, but my question still remains the same, momeen might remain hungry for days but I dont think he will compromise on state of IMAAN.

so it ur duty to let them know where this money is comming from, and then let them decide if they really want this help or not.

Fair enough Friend. We should let them know and let them decide.

As for you going through hard times, i empathise with you on that.

Now i dont wish to doubt or mock your plight, but i would like you realy ask yourself this - You have been without food for 2 weeks. at the end of 2 weeks, SBM or Humsafar or S. Insaf or Hussain_KSA or any other reformist from this site will come to you with food. Will you accept it or will you prefer to die hungry?

Please give serious thought to this question, because you might think the analogy is silly, but it is imperative to the topic at hand

And i promise you that whatever your answer will be, i will not question you further on it or ridicule you for it

rizk is from Allah, so i will prefer to remain hungry then getting help from enemies of waliullah.....
and btw why are we debating to remain hungry? Allah has never stopped way to earn halaal rizk, there are thousands of examples in which person is even handicap yet he is sucessful in life.

and most IMPORTANT, giver of RIZK is ALLAH. and I am sure momeenin do keep faith in him.

[ahmedplumber]

ok. cool. to each his own.

I promised i will not argue with you on this and i shall stick to my promise.

[pheonix]

bohraji i am still waiting for ur reply.

For the sake of an argument, let us assume that he has, but the pain of hunger and the shame of poverty is so strong that they have had to put their beliefs aside.

For the sake of an argument, once again, let us also assume that he has not. But when Parle Biscuits (a 33 crores God worshipping Hindu) sends Parle G biscuits as part of the World Food Program to Afghanistan, do they ask them if the sender believe in the One Gold Allah?

There is no problem is accepting Aid from Hindus, when in dire need. For a Dawoodi bohra, there is no chance of anyone accepting Aid from a DAI hater.

[Maqbool]

rizk is from Allah,

The Boharaji and others are selected as couriers by Allah to give help to suffering mumenins. It is as simple as that.

[Rookie]

rizk is from Allah,

The Boharaji and others are selected as couriers by Allah to give help to suffering mumenins. It is as simple as that.

those who are aginst DAI e HAQ cant be messenger of ALLAH, atleast bohras believes this.

[SBM]

those who are aginst DAI e HAQ cant be messenger of ALLAH, atleast bohras believes this.

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SO AS PER YOUR DEFINITION ANYONE WHO IS KISSING THE DAI E HAQ IS THE MESSENGER, AS PER YOUR YOUR BELIEF (NOT BOHRAS) NARENDRA MODY AND BAL THACKREY MUST BE THE MESSENGER

[Rookie]

those who are aginst DAI e HAQ cant be messenger of ALLAH, atleast bohras believes this.

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SO AS PER YOUR DEFINITION ANYONE WHO IS KISSING THE DAI E HAQ IS THE MESSENGER, AS PER YOUR YOUR BELIEF (NOT BOHRAS) NARENDRA MODY AND BAL THACKREY MUST BE THE MESSENGER

as usual u have again missed the point

[SBM]

those who are aginst DAI e HAQ cant be messenger of ALLAH, atleast bohras believes this.

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SO AS PER YOUR DEFINITION ANYONE WHO IS KISSING THE DAI E HAQ IS THE MESSENGER, AS PER YOUR YOUR BELIEF (NOT BOHRAS) NARENDRA MODY AND BAL THACKREY MUST BE THE MESSENGER

as usual u have again missed the point

No I did not miss the point

Since Narendra Modi and Bal Thackrey as well as Zardari are NOT against Dai e Haq and since they are as corrupt and ruthless as the Kothari Goons they must be the messenger as per your belief (NOT DAWOODI BOHRA BELIEF)

[SBM]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlDwgYWnJWY
Yeh Gharib Mumin Ahmedabad Locality key
Kahan hey Kahan hey Adam-Progticide-Profstian Kahan hey
Jinhe Naaz hey Moula-Mansoos per woh Kahan hey
Yeh Jhopadaptti, yeh gire huey Bazar
Yeh Ghurbat Mein rhene wale Bohra
Yeh Aaamil ke Jhote Wade, Yeh Wajebaat pey Takrar
Jinhe Naaz hey Moula-Mansoos pey who Kanah hey
Yeh Saalon se Khuchle hoey Mumin ke haalat
Yeh Aamil ki Raang Raliyan, Yeh Shezadoon ki Ziyafaten Bhi
Jinhe Naaz he Maula-Mansoos pey woh kahan hey
Who Saifee Mahal mein Ginni ki Chaan Chaan
Thaki Haari Mumineen Bheno key Khansi ki Dhan Dhan
Yeh Zaalim Aaamilon key Zulmon kei Than Than
Jinhe Naaz he Moula Mansoos pey who kahan hey
Yeh Zehar Cyclewala pey Zulmon key Soode
Yeh Udaipur Masjid mein Khoon key Railey
Who Surat mein Gharibon pey Lutere
Jinhe Naaz hey Moula-Mansoos pey who kahan hey
Ziyafaat key Liye Aa chuke hey Malik Ul Chuster bhi
Shabbir-Aamaar key Bete or Taha Bhai Saheb bhi
Yeh Lutere bhi hein aur Kothari Goon bhi
Jinhe Naaz hey Moula-Mansoos pey woh kahan hey
Madad Mangti hey yeh Ali ki Ummat,
Hussain Key Ghamkhar Zehra ke Wafadar
Jine Naaz he Moula-Mansoos pey woh Kahan hey
Kahan hey Kahan Hey Adam-Progticide-Profstian Kahan hey
Zara Dawat key Rehbaroon Kau Bulao
Moula wa Mansoos kau yeh Haalat Dikhao
Zara un ko Ahmadabad ki Ghurbat Dikahao
Yeh Johpadpati yeh Manzar Dikhao
Jinhe Naaz hey Dawaat pey Un kao Laao
Kahan Hey Kahan Hey Qasr-e- Aaali Kahan Hey
Kahan Hey Kahan Hey Adam-Progticide-Profstian Kahan hey

[anajmi]

All that is ok but first tell me who do the proggys give zakat to and how will they recognize the true Imam??

[exploitedpocket]

bro sbm,

Progti-side is busy in distribution of pehrans. His objective is to convert the wearings of bohra gents like uniform of ambiyaas.

[bohraji]

Salaam Alaikum.
Eid Mubarak to everyone on the forum. My appollogies for not wishing earlier.
It has surely been an eventfull Ramadan and a joyous Eid for many due to the noble efforts of the Admin and all those who contributed to this thread. All have requested to be annonymous so I will not name them.
This thread has brought out the best and the worst in people. I have had complete strangers donating thousands on my trust alone. And mashallah we have enough to last another six months. as our capacity to distribute is also small at this time. We have people from both ends of the spectrum, from fanatic wahhabis to the senior jamaat members. From mild mumins to fiery abdes who were kind enough to lessen the misery of a fellow human. I have got PM from concerned donors asking to give out cash as well and at the same time we have people like Rabeha Solar trying to derail the the efforts of so many by spreading lies regarding the poverty in Ahmedabad.
We have been able to help a lot of people this Ramdan. Food packets have been distributed in . We have had three categories of food packets and they were very wisely distributed. You will be surprised to know the number of Abdes who are really fed up of the system. This we found at ground level distribution, people talk in whispers of the corruption but I think soon they will speak up as the Surat and Udaipur incidents have given flames to the fire. Fortunately the Surat incident has mellowed down the Amil of Ahmedabad and he was not so stren at the time of collection this year. People are suffering because of the economic meltdown. Many of the rich Merchant families of Ahmedabad are feeling the pinch and some are becoming vocal. Business is going down in general but booming for a few. Everywhere there is talk of money only.
This is why our efforts were welcomed and hundreds of Bohras were also given meals for iftar along with the food packets. This was a first!
A lot of medical issues were taken care of and even surgeries such as cataracts undertaken. Even non Bohra muslims from Jamalpur and Juhapura were helped, mainly with food packets and medicines. One old lady was given a six month supply of prescribed medcines for herself,etc.
Some help was given to very poor bohras in a small town of Gujarat and we will also try to help one crippled child of a Bohra family in Pune. It seems that there are a lot of poor apnawalas in Pune as well.
One thing that really saddens me is the fear that has gripped our community mindset. There are so many who want to help but are petrified of doing so because of the establsihment. As I put it forward to one gentlemen (who has set aside USD 150 for the purpose but is afraid of the establishment so he cannot pay tinto the paypal account). Committing Zina is much easier ! This is how they have put it up.
The God fearing community of Bohras, who were known throughout for their fair dealing are now kothar fearing !
Getting a place in jannat has now replaced with a getting a massalla space in the front row. All personal philanthropic deeds are replaced with new items on the wajebaat forms. I pray that someone now opens a thread regarding poverty in another city.
JAK
Bohraji

[SBM]

Welcome back Bohraji
Mashallah for all the help in doing the Khair and May Allah reward all who contributed financially, morally and socially for this noble cause, Ameen

[level_headed]

Bohraji - you still have not commented on the question raised by someone earlier. When you are distributing food and money to the mumineen, are you telling them that some of them is from people who are Syedna haters, wahabis and others. My personal opinion is that you should. Be clear - they may be thinking that people who look like apnawalas and speaking our lingo and they may not be asking too many questions. Once you disclose the source of funds, let the onus be on the recievers to reject or accept.
I have heard Aqa Maula say in a waaz 'That do not accept money from the dushmans of dawat'
For people of dawat (like mustafanalwala and others) - an earnest advice, please do not join the wahabis and munafiqeens. I know it is difficult to read and not respond, but why dont you do it on your own. Go and help your brethren on your own. Go to Ahmedabad and do two nek amals - ziyarat of 9 duaat and helping your brethren. You should maintain baraat from people like these. May Allah taala give you nek taufeeq. My apologies that I have called you out in an open forum