Poverty in Ahmedabad

[SBM]

Br Aqs
Alhamdulliah Please see the PM and please remember us in your Dua during your ziyarat to Karbala

[shabbir4u]

Murtaza 2152
If you are from Ahmedabad, can you please post your VERIFIABLE address and telephone number and we will have a representative from NGO take you and show you the poverty among Bohras and the people Bohraji is talking about.
Now you want Bohraji to post the pictures of those unfortunate DB who are poor, Is not enough that they are living in squalid condition and you want them to be humiliated further by having their pictures posted here. You must be a sadistic person who enjoys the misery of people.
AGAIN I AND OTHERS HAVE VERIFIED THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IDENTIFIED BY BOHRAJI AND MANY ON THIS FORUM HAVE WRITTEN TO ME AND HAVE JOINED IN THE NOBLE CAUSE OF HELPING THESE AND OTHERS DOWN ON THEIR LUCK.
I AM VERY PROUD THAT MAJORITY OF PEOPLE FROM BOTH SIDE OF SPECTRUM DID NOT EVEN QUESTION THE MOTIVES OF BOHRAJI AND OTHERS AND AGREED TO HELP PEOPLE IN NEED DIRECTLY OR THRU BOHRAJI via COUPLE OF VOLUNTEERS ON THE GROUND WHO WILL MEET THESE PEOPLE AND ASSESS THEIR SITUATION AND TRY TO MAKE THEM SELF SUFFICIENT AND TO IMPROVE THEIR LIVING CONDITIONS
Murtaza 2152, please and I am requesting you to refrain from spreading doubts in people's mind who are ready and willing to help if you do not want to help please stay out of it like Progticide-Profstian-shabbir4U and others have done and be happy with your participation in whatever you do.
I WANT TO THANK ALL THOSE (ORTHOS AND PROGRESSIVES) WHO HAVE ALREADY AGREED TO TAKE THIS UPON THEMSELVES INSTEAD OF WAITING FOR ESTABLISHMENT AS THEY ARE ALL AWARE OF REALITY ON GROUND.
MAY ALLAH REWARD ALL OF THEM FOR THEIR HELP AND MAY ALLAH GUIDE THOSE WHO HAVE DOUBTS IN THEIR MIND
Sorry for shouting (by putting in Block letters)

dO PROGRESSIVE DAWOODI BOHRA BELIEVE IN INAM HUSEIN?

[bohraji]

Do not de rail the topic .Ask these questions on a differnt thread.
It is astonishing that you are more concerned about a progressives beleif than the welfare of an ortho mumin!

[murtaza2152]

Salaam Alaikum,
Dear Murtaza 2152.
I am glad that you wrote and that you are from Ahmnedabad,Let us forget about Molai Adam saahab.Let us take Saraspur as you said.There is the Saifee Society in saraspur.Now right behind the last lane of houses there is a small narrow lane.Go there and have a look as to how the hutment is built there and see how mumins are living there.Just outside the Roza of Qutbuddin Shaheed see the line of autos all are driven by our fellow bohras of the ortho fold.And diagnally opposite the gate there is an old man wearing a topi he rides the cycle for the handicapped.That poor gentleman has to beg.
Yes the pakka makaans have been made but there are a lot more that need to be made.I Challenge any one to walk around Kalopur there are more places than Qutbi Mohalla,See the things first hand.The Thali system is good but you know very well that the quality is questionable.Please understand besides food they also need other essentials.Like fees for kids,medicines,clothes,etc.

@Bohraji Firstly i am not demoralizing you and other members for not helping people. Coming to Ahmedabad i agree there is a bit poverty in city but u are saying too much. My uncle lives in Sarspur Burhani Society and they are living in good house,no filthy surroundin all is good ,yes i agree houses are old but in fine condition pakka houses. Yes many bohras drive autorickshaws in city but many are helped also by jamaat for startin small businesses. Jamaat is helping them in possible ways like in childrens school fees medicines etc etc. Middle class bohras are more in ahmedabad , but you cannot say poverty prevails in Ahmedabad. And thaali food is hygienic, new cooking centers are developed for cooking thaali foods.

[abde53]

murtaza2152 on Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:00 pm
@ Bohraji
Hey Bohraji , Please dont beat drums if u dont know anything about Ahmedabad .Not a single mumiin lives near Moulaai Aadam Saaheb Dargaah near Big Bazaar as u claim . So no question of filthy dirty surroundingand all rubbish things you wrote. Dont spread lies....The place u mentioned Eiit Wada is in Saraspur where our main roza is situated ,in that area there are pakka makaans of mumineens and they are much well to do.

murtaza2152 on Sun Apr 29, 2012 11:50 pm
@Bohraji Firstly i am not demoralizing you and other members for not helping people. Coming to Ahmedabad i agree there is a bit poverty in city

murtaza bhai
i am confused first you say not a single mumin is poor and they live in pakka makaans and next you say you agree with him there is a bit poverty in city. so bhai what is true are there any poor mumin in Ahmedabad as Bohraji said or it is lies as you say...

[humanbeing]

We all may have different take towards understanding essence of poverty. Ofcourse the one who are struggling to manage 2 square meals are absolute definition of poverty. But then their also lies many situation where, a person has good income but struggles to meet certain life’s objectives such as a fair education, medical emergencies or sudden financial back set.

We also need to understand, that not all occupations shall be considered humiliating. There is a specific mention, that bohra mumin driving autorickshaws / taxis are perceived poor or regarded as not in a suitable occupation as per image of the bohra community. Many bohra mumins considers a low grade to identify a bohra in such occupations, such as drivers, autorickshaws, waiters, cleaners etc. In my opinion this is a wrong mentality.

As long as one is working hard in halal occupations and serving society positively, one shall not be disrespected. Not everyone is capable of being a topshot dukaandaar or a professional due to human limitation or unfortunate situations in life.

I have come across a snobbish attitude amongst bohra youths without any credible qualification, skill or talent refusing to work in certain occupation considered degrading in the community. They would sit and suffer financial constraints, but not mend their mentality to meet their needs. Such fancy superiority complex is instilled by attending sabaks and majalis consuming doze of “down-to-earth-above-others” attitude. At one side, there are no prominent bohra institutions promoting vocational or higher education but dish out restrictions (farman) not to work in certain occupation affecting image of the community.

I appreciate the encouragement by the Kothari leaders to become entrepreneurs and also promote the initiative by facilitating interest-free loans. But one must also understand the competency of a person to be able to execute such enterprise. If we remove this discrimination mentality and layers of subconscious segregation (partly its programmed and partly its humane), it would be really helpful.

[ozmujaheed]

How strange that abdes and die hard followers are claiming there is not so much poverty while some. Moderates are trying to raise awareness.

It is like after slumdog some celebrities were ashamed and criticized the movie as it was the bitter pill !

Thank God that we are not only relying on one source of information or as they say mis-information

[bohraji]

Dear Oz bhai,
Salaam Alaikum.
The reason I brought up the issue was because nobody was doing anything about .I tried to raise the issue long back and have been a member for ten years but was never regular.All that is there on the forum usually ends up like a never ending flthy fight between Shias/sunnis/wahhabis.
Even now after posting the true picture there are posts refuting the whole poverty issue. It is with the constant suppot by SBM that I get the encouragement from.
I have got PMs from total strangers who want to donate and help and even the ultra orthos who have told me that even though thye give thousands in wajebaat they do not know if it goes in helping the needy.
I am now trying to get information from villages of MP and Rajasthan and I will post it here on the forum.
You will be surprised to know that the receiving and giving is done by different people from the same group so we just know of the receivers and do not know them personally.

[abde53]

so bohraji
how many people did you feed, seems that progressives did not help you much.because i do not see any more of SBM and your postings it is better for you and people who need help contact shabab or the aamil and they will be taken care by our shafiq bawa TUS and people of our community

[bohraji]

Salaam Alaikum,
Dear Abde 53 bhai,
why are you being so sarcastic,you know that the shabab will not help and have you seen an Amil ever give a najwa? No my brother in faith,Amils always receive Najwa.Anyway I will come to that later.
To your surprise,people have helped.Three peole have sent funds totalling RS 25000.One Bhai has sent RS 12000,another Rs 10000 and another bhai Rs 3000.All have requested that they not be named.As a matter of fact RS 13000 has been received today and Rs 12000 has to be collected tommorrow Inshallah.
We have bought 120 packets of food totaling a little than RS 100 each.These will be distributed to needy Bohras.There will be afew packets that will be distributed to Non Bohra Muslims as well.RS 12000 will be kept aside as it will be given to pay for two kids tuition and rickshaw in twelve monthly installments of RS 1000 each.And two thousand Rs will be paid to an old couple,whose wife has had a terrible accident.This will take care of their immediate needs. All this has been verified by SBM who has had it checked by two social workers of Ahmedabad ,one of them workd for an NGO and does not even know me.People can send a PM to SBM to check it out.
Please let it be known that yes the thali system is good,but it is not good enough.People have to prepare food because in Ahmedabad,the food is sent for one time meal only and the destitute do not have enough.A lot os people are struggling with school fees and supplies.To many a bottle of fruit Jam is a luxury.
We do require more help as RAmadan is near,children need uniforms and other daily basic items like sugar,tea,dals,rice,oil .These are still very expensive in India and the prices are going up.For example a pouch of 1 litre oil was of rRS 65 a few months ago and now it is RS 72.The less fortunate cannot afford to buy 1 litre packets at a time .Instead the buy in small plastic bags,sold loose .So they end up paying the highes prices.Tgere a families where the income is a mere RS 2000 amonth!I appeal to people who had promised help to please re think and if in doubt then please send a PM to SBM for verification of the above.Even a 100 Rs will make a big difference to a family.The Admin has kindly provided a link .for the donation under the heading Poverty in Ahmedabad.People can doate through their CC anonymously and then the ADmin will wire me the money.SBM is already involved to oversee the distribution of the funds and he is trying to involve a few others for more transparency. Tehre a few kids whoose tuition fees need to be taken care of and some more people who need medicines,food ,clothes etc.Please pitch in.Start with RS 100,you will not beleive but it will buy a pouch of Oil and more.This will last a poor family a month.
Coming back to ABDE 53,Please have a heart .Do you really think that these wretched of the Bohra community have not approached the Amil or the Shabab? You very well know as to what happens at the devri.Its just giving and giving and giving . Why do you think bohras go to Husseini bakery in Biscuit Gali,pankore naka,near teen Darwaja? These sunni owners help any muslim even the bohras with money during ramzaan.If you doubt me then ask any one of the bohra shopkeepers in Biscuit Gali.They will confirm as to what I have said.Even though the devri is less tah 100 metres away,people are forced to go to these kind hearted people as they are shunned away from the the jamaat offices.yes some people are given help,but we all know that they make up a tiny fraction.Just at the gate of teh devri near teen darwaja there will be bohras selling items on the streets on patharas.
Poverty does exists and we are trying to help a few.So dear readers,have a heart.please donate.A fellow Bohra is having sleepless nights because he cannot pay for his childs school fees.You can help by as little as RS 100 per month.Just do it.
JAK

[SBM]

Dear Bohraji
Thank you for taking an initiative and making to see it works. Many of the people from both side of spectrum have sent me PM to see if this is genuine all those who sent me the PM know who I am. Bohraji please do not worry about the comments from abde53 or his likes
Murtaza VD as well as Murtaza 2152 who had questioned about those people and were in denial that poverty exists and when confronted with the facts just wiggled out. The Abde defender of Kothari Goons Adam-Progticide and Profstian have shown an incredible silence on the topic
But again as we said we can not eradicate poverty but if we can help one to two families and make them self sufficient or provide their children with descent eduction I think that in itself is a big accomplishment
There are members with whom I had serious disagreements on many topic but about Poverty I was heartened to see their positive postings and we know we can disagree on many issues but we all have human feelings to help people in need. I should know I was victim of poverty and in time of need it was not Kothar but people of conscious who helped me thru and it is my time to do the same for others, Bohraji has given me that opportunity and hope many will join in this Kar-e-Khair

[SBM]

so bohraji
how many people did you feed, seems that progressives did not help you much.because i do not see any more of SBM and your postings it is better for you and people who need help contact shabab or the aamil and they will be taken care by our shafiq bawa TUS and people of our community

abde53
I hope you and your elks like Murtaza VD and Murtaza 2152 are satisfied. The best part is Bohraji already accounted for the money received and money spent in timely fashion I wish we can say the same about our Jamaats and Kothar. Humanbeing should be proud of this transparency and accountability. I hope you and your elks now can put your money where you mouth is metaphorically speaking otherwise put your money in the mouth of people who are most deserving instead of the fat Najwas to Zaadas. May Allah show you the right path

[MurtazaVds]

SBM
Its not only you who are doing charity or helping people
even if i also do that but the diffrence is i do not share it on loudspeaker lyk what you are doing

the help or charity or any thing should be like this k "seedhe hath se do to ulte hath ko bhi pata na chale"

[May Allah show you the right path

yea may ALLAH SWT show you the right path

[aqs]

so bohraji
how many people did you feed, seems that progressives did not help you much.because i do not see any more of SBM and your postings it is better for you and people who need help contact shabab or the aamil and they will be taken care by our shafiq bawa TUS and people of our community

Abde53,

First and foremost do you agree that poverty exists in DB's ??

if Yes then its futile who helps them, be it progressive or shabab or any non DB, Non Muslim who ever helps them that counts. Just to have some brownie points dont try to discredit some thing good done by Bohraji. It takes a lot of efforts to mobilize help on grass root level. Donate atleast 1% of your income that will also make a difference. Help people on yourself that will give you more satisfaction than just putting it in some charity box.

[aqs]

SBM
Its not only you who are doing charity or helping people
even if i also do that but the diffrence is i do not share it on loudspeaker lyk what you are doing

the help or charity or any thing should be like this k "seedhe hath se do to ulte hath ko bhi pata na chale"

[May Allah show you the right path

yea may ALLAH SWT show you the right path

MurtazaVds,

Due to SBM's shouting Bohraji is able to generate more than 50k, so shouting also works. Both ways are correct, being discreet in your charity is preached but often telling others motivates them.

May Allah give us the Taufiq and Quwwat to help our brethren and show us the right path

[SBM]

SBM
Its not only you who are doing charity or helping people
even if i also do that but the diffrence is i do not share it on loudspeaker lyk what you are doing

the help or charity or any thing should be like this k "seedhe hath se do to ulte hath ko bhi pata na chale"

[May Allah show you the right path

yea may ALLAH SWT show you the right path

Murtaza VD
I hope that you are helping people and May Allah reward you for your discreet help. Everyone who has contributed for the cause started on this forum has been helping people in their own way and they have contributed generously and NO ONE HAS IDENTIFIED WHO THOSE CONTRIBUTORS ARE AND THEY HAVE REQUESTED TO KEEP IT DISCREET
]Now please explain to me how it is different that when I am asking people to help and identifying the causes I am a show off and When Kothari Goons do a small charitable work they call Media and their Abde Websites sings the praises for them which usually does not help the commoners rather it is PR stunt How does saving a sparrow helps Mumins living in Jhopadpatti or unable to send their children to school
Please list the name of organizations who are discreetly providing social services , so we can contact them and ask them to help these unfortunate amongst us. These people have self respect and they decided not to beg an Aamil or shabab for the fear of being humiliated. You do not even know who is receiving help just a description by Bohraji for transparency purposes
SO HERE IS THE DEAL WOULD YOU DISCREETLY CONTRIBUTE TO THIS CAUSE AND HELP MUMIN BHAI AND BHEN IN NEED?

[bohraji]

Dear abde 53,
Salaam Alaikum.
You had questioned me directly and I have written quite a lenghty reply.
Is it not time enough for you answer ?

[abde53]

Dear abde 53,
Salaam Alaikum.
You had questioned me directly and I have written quite a lenghty reply.
Is it not time enough for you answer ?

yes bohraji bhai i saw your reply and i hope that many of our members from shabab will join you. i do not have much money to contribute but i will try to contribute thru the forum website . after reading your postings i believe we have some problem with our mumineens.
thank you for helping them

[bohraji]

@ Abde 53 Bhai,
Alhamdo lillahe rabbil AAlameen.
I am very happy that you recognise the problem mumineen brethren are facing.You do not have to be wealthy to help.I am asking you to give just a hundred rupees .Yes even RS 100 will make a difference we have acase of two families who are struggling wth the kids fees and two people on the forum had offered help but they never contacted them.If people even give a hunded rupees each then we can take care of the fees for these kids.
There are two ways you can do it On the Forum Administrator has created an account specifically for this Click on Donate on the right hand top corner and two windows will pop up, one for Poverty and other is for the Forum

the other way is send money directly to me but please go thru donation at this forum since it is a paypal account , you will also get the receipt and Administrator will send the entire amount to me for helping people

Alhamdullilah we are making difference
Remember we just need 100 rs each.

JAK
Bohraji

[humanbeing]

Abde53

I don’t doubt your intention, but your opinion that Shabab will join to help is not very satisfactory. When a Orthodox bohra comes forward to help directly, jamaat discourage them and ask them to donate the funds to their jamat and leave the distribution judgement to jamaat holders. If any such contributers demand an accountability or seek information on use of funds, we all know what happens !

Kothar or Jamaats are very smart in handling such charity issues. They would enroll the needy to become an e jamat card . sabeel / wajebat / hoob paying member and then provide any assistance. Conveniently leveling out the payment with receipts. At one hand will give assistance and on another hand take away in name of sabeel, wajebaat and other taxes.

Recently during Galiyakot Tour, millions were collected from Ziyafats and other Kothari services. While sayedna sahib announced a donation of Rs 2 crores something to the Galiyakot development. So while you are busy seeing the half glass full in good faith, Kothari retinue is filling their coffers by the buckets.

We don’t need massive resorts and expansive landscaped gardens around musoleoums of pious and simple saints. What is needed is housing complexes for homeless or less fortunate. We need world class educational institutes at reasonable prices for one and all, enabling kids to develop deeni and duniyaa intellect to make a good life and be a productive member of the society and not a cult worshipping race.

[mustafanalwalla]

Abde53

I don’t doubt your intention, but your opinion that Shabab will join to help is not very satisfactory. When a Orthodox bohra comes forward to help directly, jamaat discourage them and ask them to donate the funds to their jamat and leave the distribution judgement to jamaat holders. If any such contributers demand an accountability or seek information on use of funds, we all know what happens !

Kothar or Jamaats are very smart in handling such charity issues. They would enroll the needy to become an e jamat card . sabeel / wajebat / hoob paying member and then provide any assistance. Conveniently leveling out the payment with receipts. At one hand will give assistance and on another hand take away in name of sabeel, wajebaat and other taxes.

Recently during Galiyakot Tour, millions were collected from Ziyafats and other Kothari services. While sayedna sahib announced a donation of Rs 2 crores something to the Galiyakot development. So while you are busy seeing the half glass full in good faith, Kothari retinue is filling their coffers by the buckets.

We don’t need massive resorts and expansive landscaped gardens around musoleoums of pious and simple saints. What is needed is housing complexes for homeless or less fortunate. We need world class educational institutes at reasonable prices for one and all, enabling kids to develop deeni and duniyaa intellect to make a good life and be a productive member of the society and not a cult worshipping race.

Like i said, you will always insist on seeing the dark lining in every silver cloud.

Abde53 has offered to help in whatever capacity that he can and also hopes that other will do the same.

So what do you do? do you encourage him and others to emulate what he is doing? no, you want to sound like a broken record and talk about the same old stories and only wonder how many people will help.

Move on man. Dont look at this community through your usual dark-tinted glasses.

[humanbeing]

Hey Refree MN

Relax ! Im not amplifying the dark side or whatever you are accusing me of. Read my post and see the trick of Kothari inc.

Abde53 is in big doubt to help poor, he doesn’t trust people who are working towards it. Our dear abde53 thinks and believes that there are no poor or hungry in bohra community. Least he could do is, offer his kind words and pray for the unfortunate people. He believes Jamaat or Shabaab can take care of them. Sure ! it would be great if they do, go ahead and spread the word, poverty is out there in open, no secrecy, no taqiyet ! Abde53 or anyone else does not need assurances, reach out and verify yourself.

Which old stories I m repeating like a broken record ! read my post again !

I m not wearing any dark tinted glasses, but surely abdes are blind folded !!

[stranger]

Brothers,

Regardless of belief, I request you to come forward and help the less fortunate fellow brothers who desperately needs aid. There is a family having widow with no earning member, a handicapped woman with her old husband and we have peoples struggling for two time meal. I can understand money is a factor but its never too big to restrict you from doing so, if you really want to do. Don't contribute regularly if you cant, just contribute once.
Don't give thousands if you cant, don't give hundreds if you can't, just give a mere hundred rupees, it will also do.

Lets try to do following, i hope many of us can do that :-
1.) Skip just one sunday outing ( dinner) with your family, eat a home made food and contribute that part of money in the cause.
2.) Recharge your mobile by Rs. 399, Instead of Rs. 499 for once and you will have that 100 Rs in pocket which can feed a fellow mumeen for a day.
3.) Next time you plan a movie of ur fav actor @ multiplex, give a break to it and watch @ home instead. It can be couple of month school fee for a poor student.
4.) Hey students, birthday coming up and throwing a party ?? Lets celebrate it other way this time and probably you don't need to lie to your parents this time.
5.) Hey young guns, planning a date with gf ?? Spare a thought for above brethren & postponed it for the next time. If She true to u, she'll be glad with this gift.

Thank You !

[SBM]

Br Staranger
Very well said, Since I have been in touch with many of the people thru PM, let me say that it is really nice to see how people from both side of spectrum have come together for this cause. Bohraji will update about the entire amount received
Administration has opened up a link to donate the money on this forum BELIEVE IT IT IS VERY DISCREET AND SECURE FORM WE ALREADY HAVE ABOUT 5-6 PEOPLE WHO HAVE ALREADY DONATED THRU THIS WEBSITE AND THE MONEY WILL BE TURNED OVER TO BOHRAJI FOR DISTRIBUTION
IT DOES NOT MATTER WHETHER WE AGREE WITH EACH OTHER ABOUT VERIFYING THE TRUE IMAM OR DAI BUT IT IS A FACT THAT WE HAVE BOHRA FAMILIES WHO ARE HAVING DIFFICULTIES AND MANY FROM BOTH SIDE HAVE COME TOGETHER
Again only Kothari Defenders like Adam-Progticide-Profstian do not see the problem. Adam helps his own way but unfortunately unlike him asking everyone to verify he would not allow us to verify about his help (I really do not trust Kothari Goons when it comes to financial dealings and Adam seems to be one of them, sorry my personal opinion)
But indeed Bohraji and all others thank you for your kind donations and since everyone has requested anonymity I nor Administration will reveal the names
May Allah reward all of those and specially Bohraji and his family for the real hard work of distribution and making sure the families are taken care of.

[ghulam muhammed]

Again only Kothari Defenders like Adam-Progticide-Profstian do not see the problem

They are very busy seeing ziafats, mafsusiyats, hadiyats and the great salgirah carnival. After seeing these can they believe that there IS poverty in bohras ??

[abde53]

all on this forum
i have received many send me a pm about me suspecting bohraji and sbm about helping people, well let me say that i suspected about the motives of progees and i thought they are doing to give bad name to our shafiq bawa TUS and syedi wa moulai muffadal bs TUS but after reading their pms specially from our die hard mumineen who have issues with progees but they told me that bohraji and sbm are doing the real khidmat and everyone is giving
i am here to say to bohraji and sbm bhai i am sorry i now know that we have problems and even though it is not our moula's fault but it is aamil in that jamaat who should take care of every mumin who is suffering
i will donate the money thru this forum as i have been given guarantee that money for this purpose will be used to help our mumin bhai and bhen and i will be able to print the receipt since it is paid through paypal. atleast now we know that this forum is atleast good for something.
may allah with wasila of our shafiq bawa TUS reward bohraji for his help and everyone else who took time to expalin and open my eyes thru pm

[anajmi]

I have received a memo from the Dai via the Amil that anyone that any abde who wants to donate money on this forum has to get raza from haq na saheb by presenting an envelope to the Dai with the same amount or more than what you are planning to donate. This is in line with the actions of the prophet (saw) and Hazrat Ali when he asked for raza from the prophet (saw) to do jihad. The first two times he asked, raza was not given because he did not present an envelope. The third time, after hazrat Ali gave an envelope, raza was given. Any abde moomin who donates without raza will not be helping the poor in ahmedabad but will be making it worse for them because the Dai sends laanat on people who don't pay him for raza. And sending laanat is according to the Quran.

[SBM]

I have received a memo from the Dai via the Amil that anyone that any abde who wants to donate money on this forum has to get raza from haq na saheb by presenting an envelope to the Dai with the same amount or more than what you are planning to donate. This is in line with the actions of the prophet (saw) and Hazrat Ali when he asked for raza from the prophet (saw) to do jihad. The first two times he asked, raza was not given because he did not present an envelope. The third time, after hazrat Ali gave an envelope, raza was given. Any abde moomin who donates without raza will not be helping the poor in ahmedabad but will be making it worse for them because the Dai sends laanat on people who don't pay him for raza. And sending laanat is according to the Quran.

Br Anajmi
I hope that some abdes not take your satirical posting and read as real and not donate to a good cause. They may take it literally.

[ghulam muhammed]

I hope that some abdes not take your satirical posting and read as real and not donate to a good cause. They may take it literally

Bro SBM,

You are highly mistaken. Abdes take only those words literally which suits their agenda and for all others they dump is aside as 'tawil nu bayan chhe'. Dont you see how they interprate quranic ayahs and even daimul islam to some extent ?

[mmv]

Admin,

The Paypal shows USD,Can't it be Set to Rs also, and what to select is State and Zip code if Payment is from India.
Can Admin make the Changes,