Shabab/Abdes attack reformists in masjid in Udaipur

[Rookie]

Admin or anyone from Udaipur can you update what arrangements are being made to care for the victims and injured from both sides ?

Is their medical help and trauma and shock counseling being provided by local authorities or the community.

I think rather than only worrying about who is in jail or bail there needs to be report on how the society is recovering and getting back to normality .

There needs to be leadership from progressive s to later think of starting the reconciliation process , this way you will show higher integrity and real leadership than kothar

progs dont need any reconciling, they are in state of trauma from last 40 years, from the day they have leaft haq and followed batil most of them have lose there mental balance.

[Reporter]

Update: All 9 accused have been released on bail.

[Rookie]

Update: All 9 accused have been released on bail.

I had no doubt about this

[Humsafar]

Has it occoured to you that some of us are silent because we are so deeply disturbed by what has happened?

ahmedplumber, it is commendable that you were too stunned into silence to speak up against this atrocity. And now that you've broken your silence you're still not speaking up. I cannot imagine why.

Forget being Reformist or Abde Syedna, the fact is that we are all Bohra's and we fought in Ramazan...

See how you twist the whole thing, you stupid weasel. The Bohras were not fighting, instead a dominant group attacked a small and innocent group (including women) who were praying namaz. It was not a fight, it was an attack.

... and we fought inside, or maybe in the vicinity of a mosque ...

"or maybe in the vicinity of a mosque" Really? Are you born daft or grew up to be that way? The attack took place inside the mosque, it is a fact, there is no "maybe" about it. Am I wrong when I say that you reasonable types with conscience are forever in denial sitting with your hands under your lying asses?

... is what is so hurtful for me personally...

So I'm guessing this incident merits to be within your "sphere of existence". But I guess it doesn't hurt you enough to make you condemn it.

you are right, in times like this, one needs to worry more about the well-being of all who were injured, not indulge in one-upmanship try and score brownie points over one another.

Yes, it is very noble to sympathise with the victims, but yet we won't condemn the perpetrators!!

[ahmedplumber]

i said "inside the mosque, or maybe in the vicinity" because i didnt remember what was written about where it had happened.

And by the way, i have nothing more to say to you. you are now even below my contempt.

[Humsafar]

Admin or anyone from Udaipur can you update what arrangements are being made to care for the victims and injured from both sides ?

Is their medical help and trauma and shock counseling being provided by local authorities or the community.

I think rather than only worrying about who is in jail or bail there needs to be report on how the society is recovering and getting back to normality .

There needs to be leadership from progressive s to later think of starting the reconciliation process , this way you will show higher integrity and real leadership than kothar

The injured were only from one side, those who were attacked, and yes they were well taken care of. Hatim Bhai who received most injuries is in hospital as we speak, and maybe released today. Other victims were seen by doctors and sent home after examination. The old woman, Sakina Dalal, is my relative and she is pretty shaken up and in pain - her old bones are hurting. We do not have the kind of professional counselling as you have in the West, but there is a good family and community support system and it goes a long way in providing psychological healing.
Surface normalcy has returned, but reformists are very angry: they were attacked inside the mosque during ramazan and soon after the majlis which was commemorating Maula Ali's shahdat (who too was martyred inside a masjid) - the episode is layered too thick with irony and tragedy to be easily forgotten or forgiven. Such incidents create more bitterness and drive deeper wedge between the two groups. "Reconciliation" is nice, but you need two hands to grab this animal. But the problem is that one hand is always raised to beat us. The abdes in Udaipur will not just leave us alone - we just want to get on with our lives and our affairs but since they lust after our masjids and mazars and jamatkhanas they are always creating trouble. And do you think the mafia clergy and their illiterate hordes are interested in reconciliation? They want their pound of flesh, and they will have it by any means possible.

[aqs]

What have we become, animals? have we left every bit of sense that we start attacking people in the masjid, and what was their crime again, praying namaz? This should be condemned in strictest of terms. Their is no ifs and buts.
How can local aamil and Taha bs let this happen in front of them. Havent they heard Moula(tus) calling progs back to the fold, is this the way they will come back? What sort of reconciliation way is this where women are attacked, men are bludgeoned. ground work of people who were trying to bring people closer is in shambles because of these goons or rather fools.

Only one thing can be understood from this incident that some abdes have attacked progs just to show off to Taha bs that see this is the way we can deal with these people if they are not listening to you. What do they want to do?start another 1972 revolt or they want Bohras to live in peace. Already people have suffered a lot since this revolt, time to bring people home and not drive them away forever.

[bohri]

It is shameful indeed that Bohras, a normally peaceful, almost docile people are resorting to such violent methods - and for what? This is a sad reflection - as Aqs so rightly said, "what have we become"?

Let us unite and condemn this behaviour - whatever our beliefs may be, we should all agree that violence is not welcome in our lives, let alone in our homes.

[SBM]

To both Aqs and Bohri
Amen to your comments.

[Humsafar]

What have we become, animals? have we left every bit of sense that we start attacking people in the masjid, and what was their crime again, praying namaz? This should be condemned in strictest of terms. Their is no ifs and buts.
How can local aamil and Taha bs let this happen in front of them. Havent they heard Moula(tus) calling progs back to the fold, is this the way they will come back? What sort of reconciliation way is this where women are attacked, men are bludgeoned. ground work of people who were trying to bring people closer is in shambles because of these goons or rather fools.

Only one thing can be understood from this incident that some abdes have attacked progs just to show off to Taha bs that see this is the way we can deal with these people if they are not listening to you. What do they want to do?start another 1972 revolt or they want Bohras to live in peace. Already people have suffered a lot since this revolt, time to bring people home and not drive them away forever.

aqs, you're the only abde - so far - who has the moral courage, integrity and intellectual honesty to condemn this is no uncertain terms. Thank you and keep it up. Hope other abdes too will shed their inhibitions.

[Kaka Akela]

I also deplore the attacks on the innocent namazi people praying in the masjid at the direction of the Imam of the masjid. Why have they become so blind and obssesed in the love of Dai that they even forget that they are in the house of Allah,

With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Steven Weinberg (1933 - )

The Imam of the masjid who I am sure is a Faqih from Jamea should know better to make mischief in the masjid, he is making mockery of the sanctitude of masjid and as he is appointed by the Dai ultimately the Dai should be held responsible for his actions, his planned action was approved by some higher ups and they also should be held accountable by every religious court/org/group.

It does not matter how much wealth the Dai has to bribe everyone down the line but Allah has mysterious ways of making all that wealth turn into dust, Allah's justice takes longer to come but when it comes you better watch out, it will come with full force and will be the final word.

[ghulam muhammed]

Mubarak a.k.a Sajauddin Bagwala a.k.a Mnoorani a.k.a Badrijanab,

Zara ye to bata jab tere bhai maar khaa rahe the tab tu kahan chhupaa betha tha aur kya kar raha tha.....

Zara ye to bate jab mumineen saifee masjid ke bahar maar khaa rahe the tab unke Dai kahan chhupe bethe the aur kya kar rahe the..................... Oh mein to bhool gaya ke woh apni cadillac gaadi chhod kar police ki van me bhaag gaye the !

[Safiuddin]

stop this blame game.if youth don want to see shabab then why they always come infront of them so that they fight.

How disgusting. This Abbas Chokra, oh I mean, chopra, believes that the Borha youth had it coming.\
It was their fault you see, for going to a masjid and praying. He fails to note the heinous behaviour of the orthodox people,
poor deluded ghadero - missed the whole point completely.

[bohri]

Has it occoured to you that some of us are silent because we are so deeply disturbed by what has happened?

Forget being Reformist or Abde Syedna, the fact is that we are all Bohra's and we fought in Ramazan and we fought inside, or maybe in the vicinity of a mosque is what is so hurtful for me personally...

C'mon - it is time to speak up now!! Do you attend Muharram majlis? Do you listen to waez? Do they preach standing up against injustice? What have they taught you and what have you learnt ?? What have you learnt my friend?

"Silent" ????? - this is the very root of all that is evil in our ("soo - karsoo") community.

[Maqbool]

he wont stay in jail even for 48 hours

Look this Rookie is not ashamed that a believer of Sayedna Mohammed Burhanuddin Saheb is in jail for attempt to murder charges. If he comes out in 1 hour or in 48 hours it does not matter. The thing is he has been denied bail and kept in to jail.

[progticide]

Enough of this reformist nonsense about victimisation and innocense of those reformist characters injured in this incident.

The reformist character who received most bashing, he instead of performing Namaaz and minding his own business passed some lewd and derogatory remarks on Aliqadr Maula loud enough to be picked up by the people sitting around and this was most likely a deliberate and intentional act by him, pre-planned and orchestrated to provoke the overwhleming DB crowd present in the mosque. And this character most likely volunteered to do this job because he knew that would make him a Hero in the reformists club overnight.

And indeed well-orchestrated and stage-managed it was by the reformists. Because to everyone who was not present there and to the outside world it appeared that the reformists were victims of the situation and DBs were violent and trouble-hungry. Whereas the truth is that the reformist knew very well that a small spark in a crowded session like that on Monday would provide them the opportunity they had sought for quite sometime to portray the reformist as victims of DB brutality and high-handedness. But the DBs had exhibited extreme patience and tolerance everytime and denied the reformists that opportunity they were seeking to forment trouble and violence. However, passing loose and derogatory comments about the Dai and Mansoos in the middle of a thick DB crowd in a highly emotionally charged session of 19th Ramadan probably could not have been reciprocated in any other manner. Yet, it was the tolerant and peace-loving attributes of the DBs that again played a major role in subduing the anger and resentment of the crowd and timely, sincere and successful intervention of the elders of the DB community to calm the situation and not letting the situation get out of control.

So, looking at the events it is now crystal clear that this incident was pre-planned and orchestrated by the reformists themselves to gain public sympathy and support for their nefarious cause and obnoxious objectives.

[Rookie]

he wont stay in jail even for 48 hours

Look this Rookie is not ashamed that a believer of Sayedna Mohammed Burhanuddin Saheb is in jail for attempt to murder charges. If he comes out in 1 hour or in 48 hours it does not matter. The thing is he has been denied bail and kept in to jail.

idiot what is there to be shame? Imam Ali killed many kafirs and munafiqs like progs.....

[mnoorani]

Enough of this reformist nonsense about victimisation and innocense of those reformist characters injured in this incident.

The reformist character who received most bashing, he instead of performing Namaaz and minding his own business passed some lewd and derogatory remarks on Aliqadr Maula loud enough to be picked up by the people sitting around and this was most likely a deliberate and intentional act by him, pre-planned and orchestrated to provoke the overwhleming DB crowd present in the mosque.

And indeed well-orchestrated and stage-managed it was by the reformists. Because to everyone who was not present there and to the outside world it appeared that the reformists were victims of the situation and DBs were violent and trouble-hungry. Whereas the truth is that the reformist knew very well that a small spark in a crowded session like that on Monday would provide them the opportunity they had sought for quite sometime to portray the reformist as victims of DB brutality and high-handedness. But the DBs had exhibited extreme patience and tolerance everytime and denied the reformists that opportunity they were seeking to forment trouble and violence. However, passing loose and derogatory comments about the Dai and Mansoos in the middle of a thick DB crowd in a highly emotionally charged session of 19th Ramadan probably could not have been reciprocated in any other manner. Yet, it was the tolerant and peace-loving attributes of the DBs that again played a major role in subduing the anger and resentment of the crowd and timely, sincere and successful intervention of the elders of the DB community to calm the situation and not letting the situation get out of control.

So, looking at the events it is now crystal clear that this incident was pre-planned and orchestrated by the reformists themselves to gain public sympathy and support for their nefarious cause and obnoxious objectives.

Use your common sense. It was the attackers who were carrying weapons, not the victims. All victims were the progressives. This shows that it was a well orchrested plan by th abdes..
The abdes wanted to scare people off as the Surat Incident has brought bad publicity and thought of intimidating everyone.
Unfortunately the Udaipur attack has brought more negative publicity because of the electronic media. Bohras all around are talking about this disgusting episode.
Wait till mola comes to know about this. He will remove TAha Bahi saheb from his post.

[progticide]

Use your common sense. It was the attackers who were carrying weapons, not the victims. All victims were the progressives. This shows that it was a well orchrested plan by th abdes..

Another lie fabricated and aired by the reformists.
No weapons have been seized or found. It was all pre-planned and orchestrated by the reformists. They had the script written out well in advance on how and what rumours to spread immediately after the incident. One of those lies is the Weapon-story. If any weapons had been used the reformist character trying to become Hero of the reformist probably would have been lying somewhere else underground. But as mentioned in one of the post above by a reformist, that character is alright now and back home.
So the DB version holds water. That the DBs exhibited extreme tolerance and peace and did not allow the situation to turn into worse which is what was planned by the reformist. Maybe the reformist were hoping for something worse and tragic and now it seems like their this plan has also failed to ignite enough fire for them to cook their nefarious meals.

[Sajauddin_Bagwala]

Zara ye to bate jab mumineen saifee masjid ke bahar maar khaa rahe the tab unke Dai kahan chhupe bethe the aur kya kar rahe the..................... Oh mein to bhool gaya ke woh apni cadillac gaadi chhod kar police ki van me bhaag gaye the !

Maloon Progticide, kaha chhup gaya kaayar, phate hoove tyre! Jawab de above post ka?

[abde53]

progticide bhai
How can you keep on going to justify about what happened in Udaipur. first I did not believe it and I agreed with you that there are no pictures but we saw the pictures and now you say that proggies are the fitantis. No Bhai progticide according to police report Mataam was still going on even though
Namaz time as past, You see that is itself a problem creator, Namaz should be more important then doing maatam no ifs and buts.
I agree with Aqs Bhai and say yes it is shame that people outside our Jmaat those police officers even commented what kind of people are these who are beating people for doing Namaz so it seems our side was at fault.
what is going on in Rahamatpur, Mumbra and I also heard about Navsari where a poor Mumin has been forced to give Wajebaat
no it is not right and some one should inform Moula TUS directly i am not sure if he knows what is going on anymore,
all mumineens like mustafa bhai-adam bhai-rookie bhai we all should be ashamed of what happend in Udaipur and Rehmatpur this not the teaching of our Muqadas Moula RA and Shafiq Bawa TUS
Dua ni Iltemas

[lakshya]

progticide bhai
How can you keep on going to justify about what happened in Udaipur. first I did not believe it and I agreed with you that there are no pictures but we saw the pictures and now you say that proggies are the fitantis. No Bhai progticide according to police report Mataam was still going on even though
Namaz time as past, You see that is itself a problem creator, Namaz should be more important then doing maatam no ifs and buts.
I agree with Aqs Bhai and say yes it is shame that people outside our Jmaat those police officers even commented what kind of people are these who are beating people for doing Namaz so it seems our side was at fault.
what is going on in Rahamatpur, Mumbra and I also heard about Navsari where a poor Mumin has been forced to give Wajebaat
no it is not right and some one should inform Moula TUS directly i am not sure if he knows what is going on anymore,
all mumineens like mustafa bhai-adam bhai-rookie bhai we all should be ashamed of what happend in Udaipur and Rehmatpur this not the teaching of our Muqadas Moula RA and Shafiq Bawa TUS
Dua ni Iltemas

bhai dont get emotional, unless and untill we have a personal testimony from some momeen dawoodi bohra from udaipur, untill this is all just BS.

there is no reason for me to believe dawoodi bohras can carry any so called weapons and beat people for no reason unless and untill progs have created some hype and drama in masjid.

[SBM]

we have a personal testimony from some momeen dawoodi bohra from udaipur,

And you MORON think that Kothari Goons will allow some Momeen to give a personal testimony on their free will,. I hope you know what ABDE exactly means....

[Humsafar]

My dear Pesticide
Please picture me bending down at your feet in extreme gratitude and humility. You deserve this salutation because you're right on the money (extorted from poor bohras, of course). This whole episode was a drama by these snivelling proggies, it was all orchestrated and stage-managed, as you assert. We all knew in our hearts that this was the case but none of us had the guts to say it. Thank you for putting it out there. See, with just one stroke of bravery you've exposed the lies of proggies, even in the face of overwhelming evidence which suggests otherwise. Such blind devotion to Haq and to Haq na Saheb is rare even among the hoi-poloi abdes who shower their jaan and maal on our Maula like so much confetti. Our Maula should make you a shiekh (if you're not already one) free of charge and grant you a special permit to smooch his feet ta-qayamat. You truly have earned your place among the most virtuous and most truthful. If I may be so bold as to aver my opinion, it would seem you're just a whisker away from attaining infallibility. Given the strict doctrinal requirement this is not possible for a mortal like you but on this Forum we're are charitable enough to grant to that esteemed status. For us you indeed are infallible.
You have spoken the truth and so brilliantly analysed the drama with your air-tight argument that it has rendered the proggies speechless and all discussion has ended. If I may add my two cents (my own, not extorted), this episode shows how evil and crafty these proggies are. We are the victims in this whole nefarious drama and see how they, the proggies, ended up getting all the publicity and public sympathy. How could a few uneducated proggies deprived of noorani rehmat make us abdes fall into their evil trap? Aren't we the virtuous ones forever soaked in our Maula's Haq and Hikmat? Despite His noorani saya how could we be fooled like this? How? And come to think of it, this whole drama was staged in the presence of Taha Bhaisaheb - the grandson of our Maula, the crown prince and the Dai-in-waiting. He is the Mansoos of Mansoos and is potentially overflowing with infallibility, and yet he too was hookwinked by the evil proggies. Truly the power of Shaytan is no match for the pious ones.
And you're so right Aali Janab Pesticide Bhaisaheb when you assert that "the DBs exhibited extreme tolerance and peace and did not allow the situation to turn into worse which is what was planned by the reformist." These reformists truly wanted to be killed, I'm told that some had come with kafans on their heads, but we abdes were not so stupid as to fulfil their nefarious plans. Not in a million years. We really showed extreme restraint and peace and patience and just broke their heads and bones to teach them a lesson, and we also beat up their old women for good measure. I shudder to think what would have happened if he had shown a little more restraint and peace and patience.
Thank you once again for telling it like it is. You'll forever remain in high esteem of this adna ghulam.

[lakshya]

we have a personal testimony from some momeen dawoodi bohra from udaipur,

And you MORON think that Kothari Goons will allow some Momeen to give a personal testimony on their free will,. I hope you know what ABDE exactly means....

arent u an abde as well? I thought u too hold an ejmaat card?

[ozmujaheed]

Rookie

Is your Amil and mansoos's son so sensitive that he can not tolerate verbal abuse, if for argument sake say someone made a remark...where is Udaipur ...in India a so called democratic nation where freedom of speech is accepted. How come you cannot accept any form of criticism . I ,ean look at your politicians even they are better.

Now when the shabab were assaulting how come the Amil did not intervene to stop to loose tempered shabab.

I mean someone admit it your guys were looking to mumiliate the progs and thought you would get away with it.

This was not a good enough excuse t o get violent . I mean common it is just the son of manssoos, where Mansoos is still not a Diai and the son is not yet even a 54 Diai in waiting . Why does he deserve so much flattery.

And let you also admit you are a bunch of violent undisciplined arrogant bullies spoiled by your ideology that imprints your minds with superiority complex.

Show some fear of Allah and admit guilt and ask for forgiveness in this month. it is plan and simple the shabab and Amil are guilty. The Police would not have arrested the wrong mob ? Surely

[ghulam muhammed]

Another lie fabricated and aired by the reformists.
No weapons have been seized or found. It was all pre-planned and orchestrated by the reformists. They had the script written out well in advance on how and what rumours to spread immediately after the incident.

What about the stone pelting on Asghar Ali Engineer at the airport ? It was reported by the police inspector himself that he was surprised as to how so many stones could someone gather at an airport. Wasnt this pre-planned ???

[Maqbool]

he wont stay in jail even for 48 hours

Look this Rookie is not ashamed that a believer of Sayedna Mohammed Burhanuddin Saheb is in jail for attempt to murder charges. If he comes out in 1 hour or in 48 hours it does not matter. The thing is he has been denied bail and kept in to jail.

idiot what is there to be shame? Imam Ali killed many kafirs and munafiqs like progs.....

Now look who is idiot. You are a follower of Ambassador of peace. Insted of making peace you are breaking peace by making hero to the criminals. And this is not enough you are comparing your self to Imam Ali. first go and learn why he killed the other human beings? Not that they were deprived their rights to pray on time by the opponents, who are not interested in performing Namaj but busy to listen waez and matam. Every Muslim believes to attend namaz on time announced by the Prophet. Waez and matam can be performed after that.

By pronouncing an Ambassador of Peace is not enough. You have to show and prove to the world. So please when ever you support the goons, first think about to whom you follow. You are insulting Sayedna when you support the goons. Being a grand son of Ambassador of peace Taha Bhai saheb is also no diffrent from you.

[Maqbool]

Progtiside
See the below photograph. Is this injury is without a weapon!

[progticide]

Now that the nefarious plans and schemes of the reformists to provoke the DBs and stoke violence have been exposed, All the reformists on this forum who were shouting victimisation have been caught by fever.

Firstly, the extreme tolerance and patience exhibited by the peace-loving DBs in the wake of provocation by means of derogatory language in the DB Masjid by the reformists defeated the reformists agenda to incite large scale violence.
Secondly, timely and sincere intervention by all the DB elders to subdue the anger and resentment of the DB crowd that was provoked by the reformists proved highly crucial and beneficial in controlling the situation which the reformists had pre-planned to exploit to execute their evil designs of creating large scale violence and thereby gain public sympathy and support.
The rumours spread by the reformists immediately after the incident such as use of weapons, attack on women etc boomeranged on the reformists themselves as no weapons were found on any person, no person was severely or critically injured.

If the DBs wanted to attack reformists, then no wisdom would suggest doing so on a day when large numbers of DB women and children were present in the crowd and when there was a large police presence due to the nature of the occasion. There are other 364 days in the year to do such a thing if anyone wanted to, no common sense would allow doing so on that day of Ramadan.

But analysing the situation with a closer observation suggest that this particular occasion was ideal for the reformists club to incite trouble by provoking the DBs who were present in overwhelming majority. This would help the reformists play the Victim card and portray DBs as aggressors; whereas the fact to make note of is that the incident took place inside the DB Masjid. DBs did not walk upto the reformists controlled-masjids to beat them up. The reformists entered DB masjid on the pretext of offering Namaaz. But instead of offering Namaaz and minding their own business, the reformists as per their pre-planned script started passing lewd and derogatory comments on the Dai and Mansoos, loud enough to ensure they are clearly heard by the DBs and cause provocation. The plot is clear to every naked eye that the reformists intended to exploit the situation to their advantage to gain public sympathy and show DBs as violent and aggressive, whereas the fact is that even after being provoked in their own Masjid and despite being in majority, the DBs exhibited outstanding tolerance and peace and self-restraint and did not allow the nefarious plans of the reformists who had intended to create large scale violence and cause many casualties, to succeed.