Sticky: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Court

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Re: Legal Fight between Mufaddal & Khuzaima

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Unread post by humanbeing » Sat Apr 19, 2014 1:13 am

With all the hype and show SMS has at its command, majority of abdes have given their allegiance. Many due to their financial pledging. They will stand to no value if SMS is proved to be a fraud !

One of a family friend, who is a staunch SMS believer. Comments; it is easy and cheap to get Mafsusiyat or Hadiyat under SMS rule, the rates are much lower than SMB times ! such is the pitiable state of spirituality of SMS followers !!

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Re: Legal Fight between Mufaddal & Khuzaima

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Unread post by Adam » Sat Apr 19, 2014 2:32 am

In my view, there is no need to waste time on answering the Qutbi Bohra's through an official site or any site, or give them an answer at all. They don't deserve one. They are the false claimants. Throwing a stone at a dog will only make it bark louder.

The court details are public knowledge and the Qutbi's are already paying the media to make it public.
Adding a new section to the site for legal news is a good idea. They are only documenting their own inevitable doom.

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by Adam » Sat Apr 19, 2014 2:44 am

A Dai is appointed by the previous Dai.

There is multiple proof of Syedna Burhanuddin doing Nass on Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin.
Alive witnesses, Documented, visual and audio.

And there is nothing for KQ except for his own testimony.

The matter is very simple.

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by humanbeing » Sat Apr 19, 2014 3:11 am

Adam wrote:A Dai is appointed by the previous Dai.

There is multiple proof of Syedna Burhanuddin doing Nass on Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin.
Alive witnesses, Documented, visual and audio.

And there is nothing for KQ except for his own testimony.

The matter is very simple.
Oh ! we so much wish ! to be simple !

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by Invictius » Sat Apr 19, 2014 3:28 am

ghulam muhammed wrote:The main suspicion of members is that the courts will not be able to decide in matters of religion/faith which I think is not true because there are many such instances wherein courts have given judgements, like the Ajmer Dargah case, the Shah bano case, the shankaracharya case etc. I agree that the subject case is slightly complicated as it concerns matter of 'Nass' which is pronounced verbally and with Ilham of hidden Imam which is difficult to prove in public but then both parties have also relied on some written notes by the late Dai which could be scrutinised and investigated by courts and then the judgement will be given accordingly.
In the Shah Bano Case, the Supreme Court decision to award maintenance was overturned by the Parliament, the rationale being Muslim Personal Laws have precedence over all other civil laws, i.e. All Muslims would be governed under their respective personal laws only, by virtue of being a Muslim. This decision upheld the secular nature of the Constitution, ensuring non-interference by the State and judiciary in religious matters of a community. So clearly, it is proven that the Supreme Court does not have the authority to give judgments on the subject, especially after the legislature passed the Muslim Women (Protection of Rights on Divorce Act) 1986, which clearly laid down the provisions of how and in what period maintenance or dower was to be provided to the divorced Muslim Woman. The Supreme Court in the Ajmer Dargah case has passed a judgment directing accountability and proper distribution of offerings. However, the onus is on the dargah dewans and priests to mutually decide on the distribution. The Court has not passed a judgment interfering with any religious laws per se. Again, this cannot be compared with the present Succession of Dai case.

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by Invictius » Sat Apr 19, 2014 3:35 am

Truth-Prevails wrote:Welcome to invictius. At least now true bohra has someone who can be more articulate in propounding his theories. Look at the way he is twisting facts and introducing arguments like he is a legal expert and knows what the court will rule on. I think we have on of the http://www.believesyednaqutbuddin.com contributors. Welcome brother.

Do try and brainwash us as the website is so obvious that we don't bother.
Pleased do point out the facts that you claim I have "twisted". Also, no one can brainwash the brain-dead. Peace.

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Re: Legal Fight between Mufaddal & Khuzaima

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Unread post by humanbeing » Sat Apr 19, 2014 3:38 am

Adam wrote: Throwing a stone at a dog will only make it bark louder.
We all saw, who was / is barking out loud laanats !

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by Invictius » Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:14 am

saminaben wrote:Invictius, this is a pile of crap. You speak like a lawyer, but really, you are one masterful group of propagandists and manipulators from the oppressors of the SMS camp.

So now the alleged Nass in London, and the drama at Raudat Tahera are of no consequence, and the witnesses at the hospital after the stroke are useless to your military agenda and coup. Never mind they happen to be Syednas children. If the court process succeeds in shattering their credibility, then its pointless now, becuase you are downplaying the London nass already.

QJ and ,Malekul Ashter have really done a magnanimous job of brainwashing not only the ordinary Bohras, but also their own brothers and sister and brother in law. They've pulled off this hoax involving SMB's entire family. And now they drag a newbie, SH. Abdulhusian Yamani, an elderly and frail person, as a scapegoat, threatening and blackmailing and hijacking the remainder of his life, by making him another scapegoat and star witness. The plot doesn't thicken, it just weakens.

Truth is simple. Lies get a bit stretched, twisted, and complicated to keep track of.
Meanwhile it is entertaining to watch the cat chasing its tail, this time around with Group named Invictius.

And here I am, trying to give the benefit of doubt to SMS camp, notoriously or rather stupidly fighting to restore remnants of any loyalty left toward the Kothar and bhaisahebs and the corruption and manipulations.

The more damage control you try to do to cover up one big fat lie, the worse you guys look. it doesn't take a genius to figure this out.
You claim I have tried to downplay the London Hospital and Raudat Tahera Nass. Quite to the contrary, I have stated that the vagueness and confusion surrounding these two instances would be a cause of action for the plaintiff, and how it will be difficult to disprove these two events, especially the Raudat Tahera Nass, which was witnessed by thousands all over the world. It has been pointed out before, and I would like to point out again, that if you view and listen to the video recording of the Raudat Tahera Nass - http://tune.pk/video/1935471/Raudat-Tah ... ajab-1432H , you will find that certain portions of what Maula (R.A.) said are quite clearly audible. I would suggest wearing earphones, and listening in from 26:53-26:57 of the video, where Maula (R.A.) is heard to say "Mufaddal Bhai ne nass nu taj". The words "nass nu taj" are very clearly audible. And then, in response to Shahzada Qaid Johar Bhaisaheb's araz, Maula (R.A.) clearly states "Khuda Barakat Aape" at 32:40-32:43, to which all gathered at Raudat Tahera simultaneously exclaim- "ameen", making it evident that this was clearly heard. Maula's (R.A.) supposed medical incapacity to speak after a debilitating stroke has been disproved by this. Peace.
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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by true_bohra » Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:14 am

Invictius wrote:
Truth-Prevails wrote:Welcome to invictius. At least now true bohra has someone who can be more articulate in propounding his theories. Look at the way he is twisting facts and introducing arguments like he is a legal expert and knows what the court will rule on. I think we have on of the http://www.believesyednaqutbuddin.com contributors. Welcome brother.

Do try and brainwash us as the website is so obvious that we don't bother.
Pleased do point out the facts that you claim I have "twisted". Also, no one can brainwash the brain-dead. Peace.
This was a good one... :mrgreen:

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Re: Legal Fight between Mufaddal & Khuzaima

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Unread post by way2go » Sat Apr 19, 2014 6:14 am

humanbeing wrote:
Adam wrote: Throwing a stone at a dog will only make it bark louder.
We all saw, who was / is barking out loud laanats !
humanbeing bhai.... I agree with your statement...... and Adambhai stating that 'Throwing a stone at a dog only makes it bark louder' holds true for all the forum members like himself, true_bohra, zinger, zahir, James, Invictious etc etc. However much one may try to reason with them rationally or logically they will not be willing to see the light of the day. They will keep arguing even if their arguments makes no sense whatsoever or holds no water. Some have stooped very low in their retorts that I am ashamed to even think they are Bohras. The Kothar and the MS camp have got so entangled and entrapped in their web of lies that 'ek jhooth ko chupane ke liye aur dus jhooth bolna padhta hain'.

No intelligent, rational, logical thinker can believe the crap that is being churned out. The more lies they are trying to cover the more they are putting their own foot in their mouths. They are so blind to all the wrongs that are happening openly around them.....the constant looting of money, the evident overly flamboyant lifestyle, the so called ridiculous miracles....

Initially only the London Nass episode and Raudat Tahera episode was being mentioned regarding the proclamation of the Nass being done on Mufaddal bhaisaheb. Suddenly, after the unfortunate wafaat of Muqaddas Syedna a whole lot of new episodes came popping out of their box of lies. Looked like they themselves were trying to believe their 'jhooth and make it their 'sach'. Intelligent thinkers could see into this as many a Faux Pas was made whilst saying these pack of lies. The more lies said the more they were getting caught on the wrong foot.

It is best to leave these utterly brainwashed, brain dead, massly hypnotized people alone. I pray that eventually they do see the light at the end of their dark tunnel and that the Lord Almighty guides them onto the correct path of haqq and that they eventually shall reach their salvation on the path of truth.

Lead kindly light amidst the encircling gloom, Lead thou them on
The night is dark and they are far from home, Lead thou them on.....

TRUTH & HAQQ shall PREVAIL!....Ameen

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Re: Legal Fight between Mufaddal & Khuzaima

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Unread post by humanbeing » Sat Apr 19, 2014 6:37 am

way2go wrote:Adam bhai stating that 'Throwing a stone at a dog only makes it bark louder' holds true for all the forum members like himself, true_bohra, zinger, zahir, James, Invictious etc etc. However much one may try to reason with them rationally or logically they will not be willing to see the light of the day. They will keep arguing even if their arguments makes no sense whatsoever or holds no water.
Opinions of forum members don’t really matter politically. But as Adam expressed in his saying 'Throwing a stone at a dog only makes it bark louder’ it aptly applies to Kothar, the way they reacted when the SKQ went public with his claims. Kothar is out on streets and doors to take stock of their followers and promoting a latent campaign of hatred with foul words. When their reactions back-fired, they started changing their colors from hatred to loving !

Talking at ground level, like SMS-like-Abdes.. ask uncomfortable questions and they both will start dancing in disgust one on the takht and another on streets !

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Re: Legal Fight between Mufaddal & Khuzaima

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Unread post by true_bohra » Sat Apr 19, 2014 6:46 am

-we have stooped so low in our retorts but havent you seen the retorts of al zulfiqar, anajmi, ghulam mohammed etc etc...if we are low then where do they lie???

-what about the blatant lie about secret nass. Will an intelligent, rational and logical thinker believe the crap that is been churned out.

-where does Haqq prevail; with one who was with Syedna RA all his life and on whom Syedna RA proclaimed nass or with a traitor whom Syedna RA made his mazoon and was away from him for major part of his life and conspiring this big big plot against dawat.

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Re: Legal Fight between Mufaddal & Khuzaima

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Unread post by humanbeing » Sat Apr 19, 2014 6:54 am

true_bohra wrote:-where does Haqq prevail; with one who was with Syedna RA all his life and on whom Syedna RA proclaimed nass or with a traitor whom Syedna RA made his mazoon and was away from him for major part of his life and conspiring this big big plot against dawat.
By your standards, SKQ has spent more time with 51st and 52nd Dai and appointed with trust as Mazoon by 51st and 52nd Dai ! While SMS was busy touring the wagaar and other areas while his ailing father was taken care of by his son-in-law ! enjoying the Ziyafats and Huntings Safaaris !While he paraded the ailing father to garner maximum sympathy from salivating abdes crying out loud. So much of the Ghaaib-Na-Janaar 53rd Dai was sitting in Colombo when his father passed away !

It is insensitive and logicless for abdes to accuse SKQ of conspiracy in whom 51st and 52nd Dai pledged their trust.

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Re: Legal Fight between Mufaddal & Khuzaima

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Unread post by way2go » Sat Apr 19, 2014 7:51 am

true_bohra wrote:-we have stooped so low in our retorts but havent you seen the retorts of al zulfiqar, anajmi, ghulam mohammed etc etc...if we are low then where do they lie???

-what about the blatant lie about secret nass. Will an intelligent, rational and logical thinker believe the crap that is been churned out.

-where does Haqq prevail; with one who was with Syedna RA all his life and on whom Syedna RA proclaimed nass or with a traitor whom Syedna RA made his mazoon and was away from him for major part of his life and conspiring this big big plot against dawat.
Let me make one thing very clear ......SKQ was never a traitor! Fitnat and conspiracy against him started way back over 30 years ago!! Started first by YN because he was not made Mazun and continued by his sons. Later the progeny of Muqaddas Syedna were added in this fitnat. It is a well known fact that Johartus Sharaf bensaab agreed to marry Mufaddal bhaisaheb only if he promised her he'd work towards becoming the Dai later and thus MS saw that people started calling him Moula 30+ years ago....even though there was no Nass declaration at that point in time.

Promises by YN on a grand life led to greed in the hearts of all. SKQ was the bigger person as he kept quiet and bravely bore all the zulm that was happening around him as he was on God's path and hence had no fear of consequences.

Two questions...
1. Can the entire MS Camp and the Kothaar 'Live like Ali and Die like Husain'? I for one have my serious doubts as they are only used to their lavish lifestyle and ayyashi living.
2. How old are you? You seem to be a young product of Jamea wherein you have grown up being fed deceit and lies and thus know no better. If yes, then I sympathise with you as how would you know about things that happened past years. If not, I still sympathise with you as you are so blinded by the nonsense fed to you that you can't seem to understand and rationalise anything with a clear mind. May God help you see better.

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Re: Legal Fight between Mufaddal & Khuzaima

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Unread post by alam » Sat Apr 19, 2014 12:17 pm

The Fitnat Against Mazoon Saheb, Syedi Khuzaimabhaisaheb Saheb Qutbuddin started 30 years ago.

If as is claimed, Maazoon saheb was plotting to take over Dawat many years ago, and people knew it, and syedna Burhanuddin still continued to Deceive the 1.2 million Bohras by having us take misaaq with Mazoon, then what guarantee is there these days, that the Dai of today is not being deceptive?

From the arguments made by SMS camp, it is perfectly sane and reasonable for believers of SMS to fervently convince themselves that indeed this is a one-off, and SMS, Kothar and and the entire infrastructure of Dawat is exonerated by, this one- off evil actions of Mazoon Saheb, and that even syedna Burhanuddin was incapacitated for the last 50 years because Mazoon Saheb was so powerful, so scheming and had the means to overthrow Dawat starting 40-50 years ago.

Yup. If I repeat this enough times, in all kinds of ways, by different people, with different names and identiies, I will believe it. And so will 1.2 million Bohras.

Pogo: "we have met the enemy, and it is us"

See previous post by GM below and especially the thread :
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=9262
ghulam muhammed wrote:It is imperative to know the CAUSE of the ongoing war between factions of the 2 camps of Saifee Mahal which has created unprecedented chaos, mayhem and confusion in the once peaceful Bohra community. This has not happened all of a sudden but it is the result of a careful and systemic planning which started many years ago, this is the result of a great “Fitnah” created by Late Yusuf Najmuddin (YN) decades ago. YN was the son of Taher Saifuddin saab (ST) (He had 4 wives and 24 children) and the half brother of Burhanuddin saab (MB) as well as Khuzema Qutbuddin saab (KQ). He was the MOST arrogant, ruthless, cunning and calculative man who played his cards extremely well, he was also the MOST powerful man in Saifee Mahal during Burhanuddin saab’s era. It was a known fact that all major decisions were taken by him and Burhanuddin saab was just like a rubber stamp who endorsed all his decisions as no one had the might to take him head on. He was also responsible for once slapping MB, a matter which had then become the talk of the town.

YN was always eyeing for the post of ‘Mazoon’ which was denied to him as per instructions of his father, ST who had endorsed KQ’s name for the same. This angered YN no end and he made it his mission to teach KQ a lesson and at the same time settle scores with MB for denying him what he felt was his birth right. He took control of virtually all the main lucrative branches of Kothar and gained undue importance. He was also responsible for siphoning off a large sum of money collected for some fanciful scheme (Scam) from rich bohras staying in Lahore/Karachi which was then a part of the Indian state. It so happened that India got independence in 1947 due to which bohras living in parts which then became Pakistan were in no position to claim the amount as it was under the control of the Indian part of dawat headed by YN. He also became the rector of jamea Saifiyah which trained the future amils who were totally under his control.

The Mohurrum tamashas are the brainchild of YN who first “experimented” it in the 80s when he organised Mohurrum vayez in Cairo, Egypt. This was the first overseas vayez ever held by any Dai. The response to this scheme was overwhelming as thousands of bohras flocked to Cairo and seeing this, YN and other saifee mahal mafias sensed a very lucrative business in Mohurrum tamashas which then became a routine affair. YN was a very smart businessman who too wanted to encash upon this business and for which he planned to make Cairo another major hub of Bohraism and planned to settle bohras there and for which he wanted to construct huge housing complexes in Cairo. He entered into business deals with Egyptian land mafias which turned sour and due to which he was ultimately murdered although Kothar managed to hush up the whole incident and claimed that he died a natural death. His death was under suspicious circumstances which was also reported in local newspapers His body was not brought back to India but was ultimately buried in Cairo.

As part of his hidden agenda, YN also saw to it that the sons (Shehzadas) of MB didn’t pursue much education, especially Islamic and for which he engaged them in all sorts of luxuries like outings at various countries, Shikars and other ayyashis which were the prerogative of maharajas. The sons enjoyed these activities and also helped YN in keeping them away from day to day affairs and taking full control over dawat. He himself was the co-owner of Hotel Ambassador at Churchgate, Mumbai which had a full fledged bar which was then sold to the famous antique smuggler Manu Narang. He used to visit the hotel often for “Relaxing” and had a permanent suite booked in which he had his share of rendezvous.

To penetrate further into the workings of dawat and to keep a hold over its treasures, he got his daughter Zurratul sharaf married to MB’s son Mufaddal Saifuddin. His daughter has inherited her father’s genes as she too is known for her arrogance and high handedness just like her brothers Syedul Kher and Badrul Jamali who are ace extortionists and very powerful even now. MB was actually very keen in getting his son Mufaddal Saifuddin married to KQ’s daughter which he finally did but only after Mufaddal Saifuddin was already married to YN’s daughter. This irked YN’s family no end as they realised that KQ could now become more powerful and their evil plans would be jeorpardised so Zurratul sharaf saw to it that her husband divorced Safia, daughter of KQ within just 3 to 4 months of their marriage. This also helped YN and his family in straining the ties between KQ and MB’s family which resulted in KQ and MB’s sons slowly drifting apart.

KQ was systematically sidelined by MB’s sons under the guidance and pressure of YN’s daughter Zurratul sharaf and her brothers Kher and Badrul Jamali. Their vice like grip over MB’s sons and their abuse of power can be seen from the fact that when Kher was the amil of Surat he even went to the extent of orchestrating a physical attack on KQ in Surat. Although a person holding the second highest rutba (Mazun) was physically attacked by a local amil but NO action was taken against him, such is the hold and grip of YN’s family over the sons of MB. Even as soon as MB became indisposed, his sons saw to it that KQ was not given any importance as all amils were instructed to neglect him which can be observed from the recent visits of KQ to various cities when no sooner did KQ express his desire to visit a city, the local amil made it a point to disappear to Mumbai 2/3 days prior to the visit.

Hence, YN atlast succeeded in his evil designs of creating an unending rift between the 2 factions, the brunt of which is now borne by average bohras who are standing at crossroads as everyday some new crap is served to them highlighting the alleged good of MS and the alleged evils of KQ. The brain washing sessions have helped Muffy in erasing from the memory of Bohras, especially the elders, the Fitnah created by his father-in-law Yusuf Najmuddin, which is the MAIN cause of the sad present day state of affairs in the community. They even refuse to analyse a simple fact that the late MB had personally solemnised the marriages of not only one but 4 daughters of KQ who were married to his own sons and grandchildren. If at all KQ was an evil as is made out by Muffy gang and YN family then why would the 52nd Dai get his own siblings married to KQ’s daughters ? The fact remains that there was NEVER any enmity between KQ and MB but the seeds of hatred were sown by YN and his family over a period of time and Muffy and gang fell prey to its evil designs coupled with the fact that tonnes of money were also at stake !!

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by UnhappyBohra » Sat Apr 19, 2014 12:56 pm

It is quite evident that the SKQ crowd here is far from brain-dead. Their arguments are well informed and astute. However the guys wailing and sobbing at every sentence in an SMS majlis seem brain-less to me. Thereby making the other two qualifiers - washed and dead - moot.

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sat Apr 19, 2014 3:25 pm

Invictius wrote: So clearly, it is proven that the Supreme Court does not have the authority to give judgments on the subject, especially after the legislature passed the Muslim Women (Protection of Rights on Divorce Act) 1986, which clearly laid down the provisions of how and in what period maintenance or dower was to be provided to the divorced Muslim Woman.
There are many bohra couples who have filed divorce/maintainence suits in the court of law and the courts have passed judgements which were contrary to what Kothar had ruled. In some of the cases, Yusuf Muchala who was once Kothar's legal advisor has appeared for Bohra couples. So we cannot say that courts don't interfere in religious matters per se !

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by Invictius » Sat Apr 19, 2014 3:44 pm

Please substantiate your statement with case citations. Thanks.

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sat Apr 19, 2014 4:52 pm

Invictius wrote:Please substantiate your statement with case citations. Thanks.
I don't have the case citations as Iam not a lawyer but I know of cases wherein Bohra couples have approached the court as the verdict given by Kothar wasn't acceptable to them.

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by AgnosticIndian » Sat Apr 19, 2014 11:46 pm

Shah bano case was political in nature. Rajiv Gandhi did that to protect his Muslim vote bank. The furore that the legislation overturning SC order was abuse of majority in Parl by Rajiv, led to him then opening the gates of Babri Masjid for Shilanyas. This shah bano incident was the tipping point for the rise of the far religious right in India

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by Invictius » Sun Apr 20, 2014 1:08 am

ghulam muhammed wrote:
Invictius wrote:Please substantiate your statement with case citations. Thanks.
I don't have the case citations as Iam not a lawyer but I know of cases wherein Bohra couples have approached the court as the verdict given by Kothar wasn't acceptable to them.
Could you then provide names of parties to the case/s and the respective Courts approached?

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by humanbeing » Mon Apr 21, 2014 6:45 am

It very clear that, fight in the court is not about faith of the bohras, but to control the trust and other charitable organization properties. The concern is why there is a fight over properties which are to be used for public welfare ? Be it SKQ or SMS camp or progressives must have access and right to use these properties in prescribed manner. By what virtue and justification can SKQ or SMS camp control the admission and usage of these facilities ?


I presume, we are talking about properties such as Dargahs, Musafirkhanas, Markaz, Masjids, Schools, Hospitals, Old Age Homes, Orphanges, Jamaat Offices and other fund oriented trusts and NGOs. Other properties such as Maula-no-bunglow in every city, Farmhouses and other non-public properties purchases and under trust / NGO names must be listed and accounted for in the court.


Recent SED campaign must be a covert initiative to visit deep areas and take stock of properties and legal actions that can be taken to separate the ownership in such a way to delink it with “Nass” case going on in the court. It could be a back-up plan to collate possible properties and outwardly show the pomp and glory of the visit to cover the tracks.


Not hearing any stories of SED being sent to Gulf or USA/UK/AUS ! ( correct me if I m not informed) But Kothari princes could be covertly going to these countries pro-actively to secure whatever they can. Western world properties are more prime and comfortable havens for the Kothari royals just in case court rules otherwise !

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FIRST TASTE OF BLOOD FOR KQ - FATEH MUBEEN!

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Unread post by Mkenya » Mon Apr 21, 2014 1:31 pm

Subject: Ad-Interim Order Granted by the Hon. Gujarat High Court

PRESS RELEASE:

Ad-Interim Order Granted by the Hon. Gujarat High Court on 16-4-2014.

16 April 2014. Filing of Writ Petitions in the Gujarat High Court by His Holiness Syedna Khuzaima Qutbuddin TUS, being the 53rd Dai al-Mutlaq and Head of the Dawoodi Bohra Community Alleging Violation of the Principles of Natural Justice by Several Authorities who have Without Due Process Passed Orders Entering Shehzada Mufaddal Saifuddin’s Name As Sole Trustee of Numerous Trusts And Wakfs.

Ad-Interim Order Granted by the Honourable Gujarat High Court on 16/4/2014.

The matter was listed for hearing today (16th April 2014) and the Hon’ble High Court of Gujarat has passed an ad-interim order restraining Shehzada Mufaddal Saifuddin, his agents and his servants from alienating, selling, transferring or dealing with in any manner the assets and properties of about 75 public trusts and 261 wakfs till the next returnable date. Order passed in Special Civil Application No. 5478 of 2014 is reproduced herein below:
“Notice returnable on 25.04.2014. Ad-interim relief in terms of paragraph no. 28(C)(ii) is granted till then. Direct service is permitted.”

Kaka Akela
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Re: FIRST TASTE OF BLOOD FOR KQ - FATEH MUBEEN!

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Unread post by Kaka Akela » Mon Apr 21, 2014 2:13 pm

I have also heard un-confirmed reports that KQ has filed petitions in UK and USA courts. if someone can confirm it , it would be great.

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Mon Apr 21, 2014 6:24 pm

Bro Invictious,

Your apprehensions regarding the court not being in a position to interfere in this case seems to be untrue because if that was the case then the court would not have admitted SKQ's petitions at all and would have dismissed the case in the first hearing itself ! Correct me if Iam wrong.

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by monginis » Mon Apr 21, 2014 10:59 pm

how many son STS had from multiple wives?

none of those guys have balls to stand up for truth and speak what really happened?

are they alive or already gone to meet 72 virgins?

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by adna_mumin » Tue Apr 22, 2014 9:12 am

monginis wrote:how many son STS had from multiple wives?
none of those guys have balls to stand up for truth and speak what really happened?
They

a. Could be (un/)aware of "truth" and therefore
b. Believe Mufaddal BS and group are telling truth

OR

c. Part of conspiracy themselves
are they alive or already gone to meet 72 virgins?
Sorry but your language suggests crudeness in thought. Just here for some 'cheap' fun, eh?
If it was meant to be satirical definitely didn't make it.

monginis
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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by monginis » Tue Apr 22, 2014 9:37 am

adna bhai, I am sorry but this whole thing has turned up ugly and nonsensical....

people are getting crushed and families are breaking.

anyways my point was, how many son STS had?

and why none of them was made SHAHEED of nass on either SKQ or muffy?

why they were not ordered to come up in open when time comes?

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by adna_mumin » Tue Apr 22, 2014 9:48 am

monginis wrote:Case updates.

7.4.2014 - Our advocates applied to the Hon'ble Bombay High Court for ad-interim reliefs. His Lordship Mr. Justice S.J.Kathawala recused himself as he had appeared on some occasions while in practise for the 52nd Dai al-Mutlaq.

8.4.2014 - Our advocates applied before Mr. Justice Gautam S. Patel of the Hon'ble Bombay High Court for ad-interim reliefs. The Defendant's advocate sought time to file a reply. His Lordship gave the Defendant time till April 22, 2014 to file a reply, and the matter will be listed on April 29, 2014 for hearing our application for ad-interm reliefs.
So the reply in Bombay HC must have been filed today, all set for next week hearing on the 29th. Any confirmations anyone?

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Re: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Co

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Unread post by monginis » Tue Apr 22, 2014 10:14 am

cases in Indian courts run for 100 years, specially when it is complex like this one, so it is tough we will get any result in our life time.

next generation won't be bothered to know who is DAI and what he is suppose to do. :wink:

till then muffy will celebrate fateh mubin in sri lanka.

yes it sounds saddening but its true. (any ways we can always hope for some miracles)