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Frequently deviants on this board question and state there are only 3 prayers in Qur’an.
Here is sensible a answer:
The Five Daily Prayers: Any Mention in the Qur’an?
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Sate ... 9503543416
Dr. Muzammil H. Siddiqi, former President of the Islamic Society of North America, states:
“In the Qur'an, Allah, Most High, has given us some specific times of prayers, but He did not mention the number. It is not said anywhere in the Qur'an that one must pray five times or three times. The Qur'an mentions that the prayer is prescribed for the believers at specific times (An-Nisa': 103).
In end he closes with:
Your cousin either does not know what Islam is, or someone has misled him or he is trying to mislead you. Have no doubt in your mind that five prayers are obligatory and they must be performed.”
Deviants definitely do not know Islam because they are Ismailis not Muslim
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The number of prayers are not mentioned in the Qur'an, but they are mentioned in the hadiths of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him). The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) under the guidance of Allah told us when to pray, how many times to pray and how to pray. He gave us five times of prayers. He told us that Allah has prescribed for us five prayers every day. There are hundreds of hadiths on this subject. The whole Ummah is unanimous and has a consensus (ijma`) that five prayers are obligatory. Anyone who denies this or says that the obligatory prayers are less than five or more than five, that person is not a Muslim.
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The number of prayers are not mentioned in the Qur'an, but they are mentioned in the hadiths of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him). The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) under the guidance of Allah told us when to pray, how many times to pray and how to pray. He gave us five times of prayers. He told us that Allah has prescribed for us five prayers every day. There are hundreds of hadiths on this subject. The whole Ummah is unanimous and has a consensus (ijma`) that five prayers are obligatory. Anyone who denies this or says that the obligatory prayers are less than five or more than five, that person is not a Muslim.
Ummah incldes Shia and Sunni of all sects. Shia club together 5 to 3 but they pray 5The whole Ummah is unanimous and has a consensus (ijma`) that five prayers are obligatory.
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Are the five daily prayers mentioned in the Qur'aan?
http://www.islamawareness.net/FAQ/daily_prayers.html
http://www.islamawareness.net/FAQ/daily_prayers.html
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The number of prayers are not mentioned in the Qur'an, but they are mentioned in the hadiths of the Prophet
BINGO!! from your own wahhabi's mouth. THREE!! not FIVE....... Who wants to believe in the hadith? the same narrators who threw a bad light on the Paak Rasool pbuh? you are a liar and a comedian. today's roza too is invalid, you Moron. No wonder the Egyptians and the Turks have seen the light albeit delayed....
BINGO!! from your own wahhabi's mouth. THREE!! not FIVE....... Who wants to believe in the hadith? the same narrators who threw a bad light on the Paak Rasool pbuh? you are a liar and a comedian. today's roza too is invalid, you Moron. No wonder the Egyptians and the Turks have seen the light albeit delayed....
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All of them? Including Gadhir-Khum and related to Imamat?Who wants to believe in the hadith? the same narrators who threw a bad light on the Paak Rasool pbuh?
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The number of prayers are not mentioned in the Qur'an,
Not mentioned 3 or 5
The number of prayers are not mentioned in the Qur'an,
Not mentioned 3 or 5
Re: Prayers in Qur'an
MF et al....You really have no basis to contend on just what your own general belief is as the Quran 6/52;7/205;18/28;24/36;30/17;33/42;40/55 and 48/9 AND 11/114;17/78;20/130;50/39,40;52/48,49;76/25,26 actually supports what the ismailis do whereas what you do remains unsupported by the Quran and a scholarly study will clearly show this that it is your own practice or belief !
Show me from the Quran where it says "5 prayers - times"? Many of you are churning out "fairy tales" that some 11 years down the road (during the ascent) the angel whispered into the ears of the Prophet and directd him to mandate 5 prayers !
Quran says "Keep up the prayer in the two ends of the day and in the first hours of the night" and according to Bukhari and Abu-Muslim many muslims performed fifty prayers a day...the Prophet himself used to pray at 9 in the morning daily or when he was hurt or sad he would stand in prayer !
At other places in the HQ the believers are told to say "tasbeeh" (hymn)..."hamd" (praise)....."du'a (begging) and to do Zikr (remembrance) in the morning and in the evening and in the night.
In the following verses morning and evening times have been mentioned: 6:52; 7:205; 18:28; 24:36; 30:17; 33:42; 40:55; and 48:9.
And then the following verses contain THREE Times, morning, evening and the early hours of the night: : 11:114; 17:78; 20:130; 50:39,40; 52:48,49; 76:25,26 and at other places the Prophet has been ordered to make a Sajdah in the night...Read 76:26.
Now let us look at what the Quran says: You will find that mention is made of the obligatory prayer "Sala" in chapter/verses 2:43,83,110,153,238,; 4: :102; 6:72; 10:87; 11:114; 14:33; 17:78; 20:14; 23:2,9; 24:36,56; 29:45; 30:31; 33:33; 58:13; 73:20; 87:15 and 98:5.
These verses clearly ordain the momineen to "aqeem us sala" i.e. to keep up the Prayer. A scholarly study of the HQ will show that it does not make mention of Five Prayers to be performed Five times a day as a rule and Dr Jilani writes that the collection of Ahadith talks about Prayer and Remembrances but barely any talks about Five Prayers a day.
Talking of pilgrimage,it is indeed a pillar of faith for ismailis but first let me know if your Saudi angels will allow them to go for pilgrimage? now who is liable here? Ismailis or the ones who impede?
ZN
Show me from the Quran where it says "5 prayers - times"? Many of you are churning out "fairy tales" that some 11 years down the road (during the ascent) the angel whispered into the ears of the Prophet and directd him to mandate 5 prayers !
Quran says "Keep up the prayer in the two ends of the day and in the first hours of the night" and according to Bukhari and Abu-Muslim many muslims performed fifty prayers a day...the Prophet himself used to pray at 9 in the morning daily or when he was hurt or sad he would stand in prayer !
At other places in the HQ the believers are told to say "tasbeeh" (hymn)..."hamd" (praise)....."du'a (begging) and to do Zikr (remembrance) in the morning and in the evening and in the night.
In the following verses morning and evening times have been mentioned: 6:52; 7:205; 18:28; 24:36; 30:17; 33:42; 40:55; and 48:9.
And then the following verses contain THREE Times, morning, evening and the early hours of the night: : 11:114; 17:78; 20:130; 50:39,40; 52:48,49; 76:25,26 and at other places the Prophet has been ordered to make a Sajdah in the night...Read 76:26.
Now let us look at what the Quran says: You will find that mention is made of the obligatory prayer "Sala" in chapter/verses 2:43,83,110,153,238,; 4: :102; 6:72; 10:87; 11:114; 14:33; 17:78; 20:14; 23:2,9; 24:36,56; 29:45; 30:31; 33:33; 58:13; 73:20; 87:15 and 98:5.
These verses clearly ordain the momineen to "aqeem us sala" i.e. to keep up the Prayer. A scholarly study of the HQ will show that it does not make mention of Five Prayers to be performed Five times a day as a rule and Dr Jilani writes that the collection of Ahadith talks about Prayer and Remembrances but barely any talks about Five Prayers a day.
Talking of pilgrimage,it is indeed a pillar of faith for ismailis but first let me know if your Saudi angels will allow them to go for pilgrimage? now who is liable here? Ismailis or the ones who impede?
ZN
Re: Prayers in Qur'an
(30:17) EXTOL, then, God’s limitless glory when you enter upon the evening hours, and when you rise at morn
These are fajr prayer and magharib prayer.
(30:18) and [seeing that] unto Him is due all praise in the heavens and on earth, [glorify Him] in the afternoon as well, and when you enter upon the hour of noon.
This is asr prayer and zuhr prayer
(11:114) And be constant in praying at the beginning and the end of the day, as well as during the early watches of the night.
These are fajr, magharib, and isha prayers
So, these are the five prayers as interpreted by the majority of the Muslim Ulama. It is also in line with teaching of Daa'imul Islam, whose primary authority is the Quran as interpreted by Imam Jafar al-Sadiq and earlier Imams.
The above Quran quotes are Muhammad Asad translations.
The following is from Maududi's Tafheemul Quran:
(1) The Dawn Prayer (Fajr in Arabic) given in 11:114, 24:58
(2) The Noon Prayer (Zuher in Arabic) , given in 17:78 and 30:18
(3) The Afternoon Prayer (Asr in Arabic), given in 2:238
(4) The sunset Prayer (Maghrib in Arabic), given in 11:114
(5) The Night Prayer (Isha in Arabic), given in 24:58
Reading Arabic Quran, I agree with Maududi.
These are fajr prayer and magharib prayer.
(30:18) and [seeing that] unto Him is due all praise in the heavens and on earth, [glorify Him] in the afternoon as well, and when you enter upon the hour of noon.
This is asr prayer and zuhr prayer
(11:114) And be constant in praying at the beginning and the end of the day, as well as during the early watches of the night.
These are fajr, magharib, and isha prayers
So, these are the five prayers as interpreted by the majority of the Muslim Ulama. It is also in line with teaching of Daa'imul Islam, whose primary authority is the Quran as interpreted by Imam Jafar al-Sadiq and earlier Imams.
The above Quran quotes are Muhammad Asad translations.
The following is from Maududi's Tafheemul Quran:
(1) The Dawn Prayer (Fajr in Arabic) given in 11:114, 24:58
(2) The Noon Prayer (Zuher in Arabic) , given in 17:78 and 30:18
(3) The Afternoon Prayer (Asr in Arabic), given in 2:238
(4) The sunset Prayer (Maghrib in Arabic), given in 11:114
(5) The Night Prayer (Isha in Arabic), given in 24:58
Reading Arabic Quran, I agree with Maududi.
Re: Prayers in Qur'an
Basically what I do observe is that the Holy Quran places a stronger emphasis on the timings rather than the number itself.
The Salatul Maghrib
keeps the faith strong !...Salatul asha (wusta according to the Quran) leads to the gates of the court of Allah and saying the above prayers (salat) in congregation, means lots of benefit.....Salatul fajr means as having remembered Allah the entire night !
Prayers at fixed hours has been enjoined ! The object is to remember Allah and to thank HIM !
To beg for HIS help ! and seek forgiveness of sins and so the intent is to keep in contact with Allah constantly !
Muslims generally maintain that the five prayers are acceptable to them as per their belief or practice but the Prophet also used to pray at 9 am in the morning ! He used to pray when saddened by someone and he would stand and pray ! If there was no rain he would pray ! If there was a calamity he would pray and this was over and above his usual prayers.
The prophet had a special diet ! he had an eceptional character and kindness ! do we really follow him in all respects?
I don't know ! The Ismailis arguably and if you check, do take liberty from the life of the Prophet and from various tradition, they apply the practice of "jamabain us salatain" and so preceding immediately their regular salatul fajr they have a "hamd" and "begging" session in congergation (and this is allowed by the Quran)....then immediately following Salatul Maghrib (there is hymn,praise and begging to Allah again in congregation ) and then with salatul wustu or asha, it does total 5 as far as I can see and infact many Ismailis I know of pray more than this 5 times indicated above for they pray additionally at noon; at midnight and so frankly I do not see any disparity at the end of the day and those who can pray should pray more.
Muslims should love Allah and argue less and devote the same time to something much more constructive e.g betterment of the Umma; the poor; the weak; the aged.....it is the underlying good intent which matters as one can pray as many times but if the intent is not in place, what is the use?
We all argue about this and that ! how does it help Islam? or the Umma? rather we are fragmenting the brotherhood !...
"each man to his own faith" ! Is there a better Judge than Allah? No !
Our contact with Allah must result in our unity, peace of mind, satisfaction, tolerance, humility, honesty and development of the soul and we need to wake up from our own slumber as the hereafter is around the corner for all ! Our life is just for an appointed term !
During the first three years of Naboowat, the prophet prayed secretly...then at the request of Zaid bin Arqum, for three years prayers were conducted in his house.
It is in the 6th year that muslims began to pray openly and in the beginning there wasn't any fixed time for prayer or any fixed prayers and according to Bukhari and Muslim, many muslims used to pray 50 times per day and it was kind of regulated in the 11 th year by the general body of muslims....so now what happens to those who prayed differently than you or me or us in the past?
I think Allah is oft Most Merciful and Forgiving !
Infact people should pray all the time ! perpetually ! Keep up the prayer and worship Allah should be the theme !
The fundamental principle is the belief in God but mere belief as a theory is not enough ! sala in arabic means to pray; to beg for something...
" And keep up the prayer in the two ends of the day and in the first hours of the night..."...Thank you !
ZN
The Salatul Maghrib
keeps the faith strong !...Salatul asha (wusta according to the Quran) leads to the gates of the court of Allah and saying the above prayers (salat) in congregation, means lots of benefit.....Salatul fajr means as having remembered Allah the entire night !
Prayers at fixed hours has been enjoined ! The object is to remember Allah and to thank HIM !
To beg for HIS help ! and seek forgiveness of sins and so the intent is to keep in contact with Allah constantly !
Muslims generally maintain that the five prayers are acceptable to them as per their belief or practice but the Prophet also used to pray at 9 am in the morning ! He used to pray when saddened by someone and he would stand and pray ! If there was no rain he would pray ! If there was a calamity he would pray and this was over and above his usual prayers.
The prophet had a special diet ! he had an eceptional character and kindness ! do we really follow him in all respects?
I don't know ! The Ismailis arguably and if you check, do take liberty from the life of the Prophet and from various tradition, they apply the practice of "jamabain us salatain" and so preceding immediately their regular salatul fajr they have a "hamd" and "begging" session in congergation (and this is allowed by the Quran)....then immediately following Salatul Maghrib (there is hymn,praise and begging to Allah again in congregation ) and then with salatul wustu or asha, it does total 5 as far as I can see and infact many Ismailis I know of pray more than this 5 times indicated above for they pray additionally at noon; at midnight and so frankly I do not see any disparity at the end of the day and those who can pray should pray more.
Muslims should love Allah and argue less and devote the same time to something much more constructive e.g betterment of the Umma; the poor; the weak; the aged.....it is the underlying good intent which matters as one can pray as many times but if the intent is not in place, what is the use?
We all argue about this and that ! how does it help Islam? or the Umma? rather we are fragmenting the brotherhood !...
"each man to his own faith" ! Is there a better Judge than Allah? No !
Our contact with Allah must result in our unity, peace of mind, satisfaction, tolerance, humility, honesty and development of the soul and we need to wake up from our own slumber as the hereafter is around the corner for all ! Our life is just for an appointed term !
During the first three years of Naboowat, the prophet prayed secretly...then at the request of Zaid bin Arqum, for three years prayers were conducted in his house.
It is in the 6th year that muslims began to pray openly and in the beginning there wasn't any fixed time for prayer or any fixed prayers and according to Bukhari and Muslim, many muslims used to pray 50 times per day and it was kind of regulated in the 11 th year by the general body of muslims....so now what happens to those who prayed differently than you or me or us in the past?
I think Allah is oft Most Merciful and Forgiving !
Infact people should pray all the time ! perpetually ! Keep up the prayer and worship Allah should be the theme !
The fundamental principle is the belief in God but mere belief as a theory is not enough ! sala in arabic means to pray; to beg for something...
" And keep up the prayer in the two ends of the day and in the first hours of the night..."...Thank you !
ZN
Re: Prayers in Qur'an
There are 5 fard prayers and the rest are nafil prayers. People pray if they forget something important and people pray if they want Allah help in making a decision. All these are nafil prayers. No Nafil prayer is a fard and no nafil prayer is going to change the fard prayers.Muslims generally maintain that the five prayers are acceptable to them as per their belief or practice but the Prophet also used to pray at 9 am in the morning ! He used to pray when saddened by someone and he would stand and pray ! If there was no rain he would pray ! If there was a calamity he would pray and this was over and above his usual prayers.
May be you should be the first one to start. People need to try to follow him in all respects, but shouldn't justify not following him in any, simple because they don't (not can't - don't) follow him in some.The prophet had a special diet ! he had an eceptional character and kindness ! do we really follow him in all respects?
And yes people should remember Allah all the time, but they still are not excused from the 5 fard prayers and it doesn't matter if Rumi or anyone else tells you otherwise.
Re: Prayers in Qur'an
Now Now ! are you not able to discuss without controlling your emotions or barking ? We all are entitled to our opinions and beliefs ! You can pursue yours ! Why are you unduly imposing? How can you point a mote in someone else's eyes, when the beam is in your own !
In some versions of the Tradition of Ghadir Khum there is an extra sentence that is he (Prophet) (PBUH&HF) said:
Wa dara al-haqq maahu haithu dar, literally: And the truth (the right path) turns with him (i.e. Ali) wherever way he turns.
Sunni reference: Tafsir al-Kabir, by Fakhr al-Din al-Razi, under the commentary of al-Bismilah
Similarly in Sahih al-Tirmidhi, it is narrated that:
The Messenger of God said: O God, have Thy Mercy on Ali. O God,make the right and the truth with Ali in all situations.
Sunni reference: Sahih al-Tirmidhi, v5, p297
In Arabic, linguistically, the wording (balagha) could play tricks on the listener.
Logically, truth is absolute and not variable.
A person, relative to the truth, could be variable in action....did you get the drift?
In this case, the person (i.e. Imam Ali and his descendants) are placed as the absolute fixed
axes around which the event is taking place; such that, if anything changes in the persons decision, the event is the thing that will change its track and which is then the "truth" in this case!!! Since, such change is not logically reasonable due to the absolute nature of truth, then one can conclude that the two are
are inseparable entities .
Hence, Ali (AS) and the Imams of the Ahl al Bayt stand for truth at all times notwithstanding your protestations and acrimony.
Thus the saying of the Prophet (PBUH&HF) is a metaphoric way to stress Ali's importance and the importance of his Ahl al Bayt and attachment to them being the truth (right path) such that
Ali (AS) and and his descenadants are the right path and they are indistinguishable from each other and the rest have fallen into misguidance save that they remain overwhelmed by the arrogance of their outward expressions and somehow believe they are the manifestation of the righteous.Whether or not they are, is a matter of serious doubt !The power-mongers like you guys are in reality fear-mongers.
Intimidation is your game because fear is your flame and because you are scared shiftless,and so the only "change" you actually want is for the whole world to be as miserable as you are but then this is not possible Sir !
You will find this in Sura LXXIII 7-9:
"True there is for thee by day prolonged occupation with ordinary duties: But keep in remembrance The name of Thy Lord and devote thyself to Him wholeheartedly. He is the Lord of the East ad the West: there is no God but He: Take Him therefore for (thy) Disposer of Affairs."
On Friday Sunnis have two Adhans which was not a practice during the time of the Prophet but was introduced by Hazarat Uthman and to this day Sunni Muslims follow this.
The Taraweeh prayers were mandated by Umar and not the Prophet S.A.W.....so if you look at the ayah above, are you doing it? No ! and what I have said about the changes hereinabove? are they true or not? so whose mandate are you guys following?
Sometimes the majority only means that
all the fools are on the same side.\ !
Just to give one example, religion in Iraq has moved abruptly often in ways that make educated, religious Iraqis uncomfortable.
Militias are offering Koran courses.
Titles come cheaply. a butcher with no knowledge of Islam became the leader of a mosque.
A student, who never earned more than mediocre marks, whizzes by stalled traffic in a convoy of sport utility vehicles in Baghdad. He has become a religious leader! Wow !
Thank you !
ZN
In some versions of the Tradition of Ghadir Khum there is an extra sentence that is he (Prophet) (PBUH&HF) said:
Wa dara al-haqq maahu haithu dar, literally: And the truth (the right path) turns with him (i.e. Ali) wherever way he turns.
Sunni reference: Tafsir al-Kabir, by Fakhr al-Din al-Razi, under the commentary of al-Bismilah
Similarly in Sahih al-Tirmidhi, it is narrated that:
The Messenger of God said: O God, have Thy Mercy on Ali. O God,make the right and the truth with Ali in all situations.
Sunni reference: Sahih al-Tirmidhi, v5, p297
In Arabic, linguistically, the wording (balagha) could play tricks on the listener.
Logically, truth is absolute and not variable.
A person, relative to the truth, could be variable in action....did you get the drift?
In this case, the person (i.e. Imam Ali and his descendants) are placed as the absolute fixed
axes around which the event is taking place; such that, if anything changes in the persons decision, the event is the thing that will change its track and which is then the "truth" in this case!!! Since, such change is not logically reasonable due to the absolute nature of truth, then one can conclude that the two are
are inseparable entities .
Hence, Ali (AS) and the Imams of the Ahl al Bayt stand for truth at all times notwithstanding your protestations and acrimony.
Thus the saying of the Prophet (PBUH&HF) is a metaphoric way to stress Ali's importance and the importance of his Ahl al Bayt and attachment to them being the truth (right path) such that
Ali (AS) and and his descenadants are the right path and they are indistinguishable from each other and the rest have fallen into misguidance save that they remain overwhelmed by the arrogance of their outward expressions and somehow believe they are the manifestation of the righteous.Whether or not they are, is a matter of serious doubt !The power-mongers like you guys are in reality fear-mongers.
Intimidation is your game because fear is your flame and because you are scared shiftless,and so the only "change" you actually want is for the whole world to be as miserable as you are but then this is not possible Sir !
You will find this in Sura LXXIII 7-9:
"True there is for thee by day prolonged occupation with ordinary duties: But keep in remembrance The name of Thy Lord and devote thyself to Him wholeheartedly. He is the Lord of the East ad the West: there is no God but He: Take Him therefore for (thy) Disposer of Affairs."
On Friday Sunnis have two Adhans which was not a practice during the time of the Prophet but was introduced by Hazarat Uthman and to this day Sunni Muslims follow this.
The Taraweeh prayers were mandated by Umar and not the Prophet S.A.W.....so if you look at the ayah above, are you doing it? No ! and what I have said about the changes hereinabove? are they true or not? so whose mandate are you guys following?
Sometimes the majority only means that
all the fools are on the same side.\ !
Just to give one example, religion in Iraq has moved abruptly often in ways that make educated, religious Iraqis uncomfortable.
Militias are offering Koran courses.
Titles come cheaply. a butcher with no knowledge of Islam became the leader of a mosque.
A student, who never earned more than mediocre marks, whizzes by stalled traffic in a convoy of sport utility vehicles in Baghdad. He has become a religious leader! Wow !
Thank you !
ZN
Re: Prayers in Qur'an
O People! This is the last time that I shall stand in this assembly.
Therefore listen to me and obey and submit to the command of Lord.
Verily Allah, He is your Lord and God. After Him, His prophet,
Muhammad who is addressing you, is your master.
Then after me, this
Ali is your master and your leader (Imam) according to Allahs command.
Then after him leadership will continue through some selected individuals in my descendants till the day you meet Allah and His Prophet....
O Folk! Verily Allah has appointed him to be your Imam and ruler.
Obedience of him is obligatory for all Immigrants (Muhajirin) and Helpers (Ansar) and those who follow them in virtue, and on the dwellers of the cities and the nomads, the Arabs and the non-Arabs, the freeman and the slave, the young and the old, the great and the small, the white and the black.
His commands should be obeyed, and his word is binding and his order is obligatory on everyone who believes in one God.
Cursed is the man who disobeys him, and blessed is the one who follows him, and he who
believes in him is a true believer.
His WILAYAH (belief in his mastery) has been made obligatory by Allah, the Powerful, the
Exalted.
O Folk! Study the Quran. Reflect on its clear verses and do not presume the meaning of the ambiguous verses.
For, by Allah, nobody can properly explain them to you its warnings and its meanings except me
and this man (i.e., Ali) whose hand I am lifting up in front of myself.
O People! This is the last time that I shall stand in this assembly.
And you guys are the ones who have deviated and betrayed your own prophet ! You have no basis to point fingers at anyone Sir !
ZN
Therefore listen to me and obey and submit to the command of Lord.
Verily Allah, He is your Lord and God. After Him, His prophet,
Muhammad who is addressing you, is your master.
Then after me, this
Ali is your master and your leader (Imam) according to Allahs command.
Then after him leadership will continue through some selected individuals in my descendants till the day you meet Allah and His Prophet....
O Folk! Verily Allah has appointed him to be your Imam and ruler.
Obedience of him is obligatory for all Immigrants (Muhajirin) and Helpers (Ansar) and those who follow them in virtue, and on the dwellers of the cities and the nomads, the Arabs and the non-Arabs, the freeman and the slave, the young and the old, the great and the small, the white and the black.
His commands should be obeyed, and his word is binding and his order is obligatory on everyone who believes in one God.
Cursed is the man who disobeys him, and blessed is the one who follows him, and he who
believes in him is a true believer.
His WILAYAH (belief in his mastery) has been made obligatory by Allah, the Powerful, the
Exalted.
O Folk! Study the Quran. Reflect on its clear verses and do not presume the meaning of the ambiguous verses.
For, by Allah, nobody can properly explain them to you its warnings and its meanings except me
and this man (i.e., Ali) whose hand I am lifting up in front of myself.
O People! This is the last time that I shall stand in this assembly.
And you guys are the ones who have deviated and betrayed your own prophet ! You have no basis to point fingers at anyone Sir !
ZN
Re: Prayers in Qur'an
This is from Hazrat Ali in nahjul balagha
Letter 52
A circular about prayers to the governors of all the provinces
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Lead the Zuhr prayer till the shadow of a wall becomes equal to the height of the wall, the Asr prayers can be performed till the sun is still bright and enough time of the day is left for a person to cover a distance of six miles. The Maghrib prayers should be performed when people break their fasts and when Hajj pilgrims return from Arafat. And the time for Ice prayers is when the red glow of the even twilight disappears from the West, till one-third of the night is still left. The morning prayers are to be performed when there appears enough light of the dawn for a man to recognize the face of his companion.
While leading the prayers make them so short that the weakest among you may not feel tired to follow you and his strength and patience may not be over strained.
Sermon 198
Pledge yourself with prayer and remain steady on it; offer prayer as much as possible and seek nearness (of Allah) through it, because it is, (imposed) upon the believers as (a) timed ordinance (Qur'an 4:103). Have you not heard the reply of the people of Hell when they were asked: What hath brought you into the hell? They shall say: We were not of those who offered the regular prayers (to Allah)! (Qur'an, 74:42-43). Certainly, prayer drops out sins like the dropping of leaves (of trees), and removes them as ropes are removed from the necks of cattle. The Messenger of Allah - the peace and blessing of Allah he upon him and his descendants - likened it to a hot bath situated at the door of a person who bathes in it five times a day. Will then any dirt remain on him?
Its obligation is recognised by those believers whom neither the adornment of property nor the coolness of the eyes produced by children can turn away from it. Allah, the Glorified, says:
Men whom neither merchandise nor any sale diverteth from the remembrance of Allah and constancy in prayer and paying the poor-rate; ... (Qur'an. 24:37)
Even after receiving assurance of Paradise, the Messenger of Allah - peace and blessing of Allah be upon him and his descendants - used to exert himself for prayers because of Allah, the Glorified's command.
And enjoin prayer on thy followers, and adhere thou steadily unto it, ... (Qur'an, 20:132).
Then the Holy Prophet used to enjoin his followers to prayer and exert himself for it.
Another Hazrat Ali quote from nahjul balagha
Recommended prayers cannot attain the pleasures of Allah for you when obligatory prayers are left unattended.
Sermon 109
About Islam, the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah
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The best means by which seekers of nearness to Allah, the Glorified, the Exalted, seek nearness, is the belief in Him and His Prophet, fighting in His cause, for it is the high pinnacle of Islam, and (to believe) in the kalimatu'l-'ikhlas (the expression of Divine purification) for it is just nature and the establishment of prayer for it is (the basis of) community, payment of zakat (Islamic tax) for it is a compulsory obligation, fasting for the month of Ramadan for it is the shield against chastisement, the performance of hajj of the House of Allah (i. e . Ka`bah) and its `umrah (other than annual visit) for these two acts banish poverty and wash away sins, regard for kinship for it increases wealth and length of life, to giving alms secretly for it covers shortcomings, giving alms openly for it protects against a bad death and extending benefits (to people) for it saves from positions of disgrace.
Go ahead with the remembrance of Allah for it is the best remembrance, and long for that which He has promised to the pious, for His promise is the most true promise. Tread the course of the Prophet for it is the most distinguished course. Follow the sunnah of the Prophet for it is the most right of all behaviours. Learn the Qur'an for it is the fairest of discourses and understand it thoroughly for it is the best blossoming of hearts. Seek cure with its light for it is the cure for hearts. Recite it beautifully for it is the most beautiful narration. Certainly, a scholar who acts not according to his knowledge is like the off-headed ignorant who does not find relief from his ignorance, but on the learned the plea of Allah is greater and grief more incumbent, and he is more blameworthy before Allah.
And yes, try to tone down the rhetoric!!
Letter 52
A circular about prayers to the governors of all the provinces
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Lead the Zuhr prayer till the shadow of a wall becomes equal to the height of the wall, the Asr prayers can be performed till the sun is still bright and enough time of the day is left for a person to cover a distance of six miles. The Maghrib prayers should be performed when people break their fasts and when Hajj pilgrims return from Arafat. And the time for Ice prayers is when the red glow of the even twilight disappears from the West, till one-third of the night is still left. The morning prayers are to be performed when there appears enough light of the dawn for a man to recognize the face of his companion.
While leading the prayers make them so short that the weakest among you may not feel tired to follow you and his strength and patience may not be over strained.
Sermon 198
Pledge yourself with prayer and remain steady on it; offer prayer as much as possible and seek nearness (of Allah) through it, because it is, (imposed) upon the believers as (a) timed ordinance (Qur'an 4:103). Have you not heard the reply of the people of Hell when they were asked: What hath brought you into the hell? They shall say: We were not of those who offered the regular prayers (to Allah)! (Qur'an, 74:42-43). Certainly, prayer drops out sins like the dropping of leaves (of trees), and removes them as ropes are removed from the necks of cattle. The Messenger of Allah - the peace and blessing of Allah he upon him and his descendants - likened it to a hot bath situated at the door of a person who bathes in it five times a day. Will then any dirt remain on him?
Its obligation is recognised by those believers whom neither the adornment of property nor the coolness of the eyes produced by children can turn away from it. Allah, the Glorified, says:
Men whom neither merchandise nor any sale diverteth from the remembrance of Allah and constancy in prayer and paying the poor-rate; ... (Qur'an. 24:37)
Even after receiving assurance of Paradise, the Messenger of Allah - peace and blessing of Allah be upon him and his descendants - used to exert himself for prayers because of Allah, the Glorified's command.
And enjoin prayer on thy followers, and adhere thou steadily unto it, ... (Qur'an, 20:132).
Then the Holy Prophet used to enjoin his followers to prayer and exert himself for it.
Another Hazrat Ali quote from nahjul balagha
Recommended prayers cannot attain the pleasures of Allah for you when obligatory prayers are left unattended.
Sermon 109
About Islam, the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah
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The best means by which seekers of nearness to Allah, the Glorified, the Exalted, seek nearness, is the belief in Him and His Prophet, fighting in His cause, for it is the high pinnacle of Islam, and (to believe) in the kalimatu'l-'ikhlas (the expression of Divine purification) for it is just nature and the establishment of prayer for it is (the basis of) community, payment of zakat (Islamic tax) for it is a compulsory obligation, fasting for the month of Ramadan for it is the shield against chastisement, the performance of hajj of the House of Allah (i. e . Ka`bah) and its `umrah (other than annual visit) for these two acts banish poverty and wash away sins, regard for kinship for it increases wealth and length of life, to giving alms secretly for it covers shortcomings, giving alms openly for it protects against a bad death and extending benefits (to people) for it saves from positions of disgrace.
Go ahead with the remembrance of Allah for it is the best remembrance, and long for that which He has promised to the pious, for His promise is the most true promise. Tread the course of the Prophet for it is the most distinguished course. Follow the sunnah of the Prophet for it is the most right of all behaviours. Learn the Qur'an for it is the fairest of discourses and understand it thoroughly for it is the best blossoming of hearts. Seek cure with its light for it is the cure for hearts. Recite it beautifully for it is the most beautiful narration. Certainly, a scholar who acts not according to his knowledge is like the off-headed ignorant who does not find relief from his ignorance, but on the learned the plea of Allah is greater and grief more incumbent, and he is more blameworthy before Allah.
Well, where are the "Imams". May be they should be offering Koran courses too where they teach the true meaning of the Koran. Are there any?Militias are offering Koran courses.
I am not sure what mosque you've been visiting. Try a different mosque.a butcher with no knowledge of Islam became the leader of a mosque.
And yes, try to tone down the rhetoric!!
Re: Prayers in Qur'an
This is like giving a blank check to all those who pretend to be the descendents of Hazrat Ali. Fortunately, the quran, 1400 years ago, saw it fit to reveal this -Hence, Ali (AS) and the Imams of the Ahl al Bayt stand for truth at all times notwithstanding your protestations and acrimony.
Thus the saying of the Prophet (PBUH&HF) is a metaphoric way to stress Ali's importance and the importance of his Ahl al Bayt and attachment to them being the truth (right path) such that
Ali (AS) and and his descenadants are the right path and they are indistinguishable from each other and the rest have fallen into misguidance save that they remain overwhelmed by the arrogance of their outward expressions and somehow believe they are the manifestation of the righteous.Whether or not they are, is a matter of serious doubt !The power-mongers like you guys are in reality fear-mongers.
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YUSUFALI: And remember that Abraham was tried by his Lord with certain commands, which he fulfilled: He said: "I will make thee an Imam to the Nations." He pleaded: "And also (Imams) from my offspring!" He answered: "But My Promise is not within the reach of evil-doers."
PICKTHAL: And (remember) when his Lord tried Abraham with (His) commands, and he fulfilled them, He said: Lo! I have appointed thee a leader for mankind. (Abraham) said: And of my offspring (will there be leaders)? He said: My covenant includeth not wrong-doers.
SHAKIR: And when his Lord tried Ibrahim with certain words, he fulfilled them. He said: Surely I will make you an Imam of men. Ibrahim said: And of my offspring? My covenant does not include the unjust, said He.
He pleaded: "And also (Imams) from my offspring!" He answered: "But My Promise is not within the reach of evil-doers."
It is quite obvious that the quran has prevented us from giving this blank check to these Imams. Imams who have gone back on the word of the prophet and Hazrat Ali himself, Imams who have married their daughters to christians thereby virtually ending the "purity" within the Imams!! Imams who have gone into hiding for hundreds of years leaving the believers at the mercy of looters and thieves!!
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Re: Prayers in Qur'an
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Re: Prayers in Qur'an
I was reading Hazrat Ali's sermon 109 and something struck me.
Hazrat Ali also says
Nowhere does Hazrat Ali say, follow me and my Imams, we are the truth, the truth is what we say it is, disbelief in Imamat will send you to hell etc. etc. He talks about the 5 pillars of Islam and jihad.The best means by which seekers of nearness to Allah, the Glorified, the Exalted, seek nearness, is the belief in Him and His Prophet, fighting in His cause, for it is the high pinnacle of Islam, and (to believe) in the kalimatu'l-'ikhlas (the expression of Divine purification) for it is just nature and the establishment of prayer for it is (the basis of) community, payment of zakat (Islamic tax) for it is a compulsory obligation, fasting for the month of Ramadan for it is the shield against chastisement, the performance of hajj of the House of Allah (i. e . Ka`bah) and its `umrah (other than annual visit) for these two acts banish poverty and wash away sins, regard for kinship for it increases wealth and length of life, to giving alms secretly for it covers shortcomings, giving alms openly for it protects against a bad death and extending benefits (to people) for it saves from positions of disgrace.
Hazrat Ali also says
Not follow the Imams!!Follow the sunnah of the Prophet for it is the most right of all behaviours.
Re: Prayers in Qur'an
Bismillah Hir Rahmaan Nir Raheem
Assalamau alaykum wa rahmatuallahi wa barakatuhu
Surah Muminun
23:1. Successful indeed are the believers.
Those who offer their Salât (prayers) with all solemnity and full submissiveness.
Imam Ali said (Sermon 198)- Pledge yourself with prayer and remain steady on it. Offer prayer as much as possible and seek nearness of Allah through it.."
Now the expression "as much as possible" is not a restrictive direction in terms of numbers ! or is it?
Then Imam Ali says..."because it is imposed on you as a "time ordinance" and then he quotes ayah of the Quran (4:103)...see he talks of the timings !
Then Imam gives an example or an anecdote - "have you not heard the reply of the people of Hell when they were asked?"....They shall say.." We were not of those who offered the regular prayers to Allah"....again Imam is not talking of the number here and quotes again an ayah from the Quran !
Then Imam Ali quotes ayah 24:37 and 20:132 ! I do not find any imposition of "5 times - 5 prayers" ! save "keep up the prayer and exert for the sake of Allah" is the theme that I find.
To continue with the theme....
And those who turn away from Al-Laghw (dirty, false, evil vain talk, falsehood, and all that Allâh has forbidden).
(We all are good at barking at each other and pointing fingers and maligning other sects in islam though it is like eating the flesh of one's own brother)
And those who pay the Zakât .
(Many don't and endless argue and try and wriggle out of this fundamental obligation)
And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts, from illegal sexual acts)
(Many are having mistresses and "legalized" prostitution and visit brothels in Syria and Iraq where the women are, their own sisters in faith, by definition)
Except from their wives or (the captives and slaves) that their right hands possess, for then, they are free from blame; But whoever seeks beyond that, then those are the transgressors;
Those who are faithfully true to their Amanât (all the duties which Allâh has ordained, honesty, moral responsibility and trusts etc.)[] and to their covenants.
(Infidels are still better than hypocrites ! Hypocrites are those who reneged on their "bayah" after giving it or knowing the facts and those who refuse to fulfill their Trust and give back Amanat to God and HIS Prophet are Munafiqun !)
And those who strictly guard their congregational Salawât (prayers) (at their fixed stated hours).
Once again the emphasis is on "fixed stated hours" - not the numbers ! as fixing the numbers would restrict people from praying more and beyond and this would contradict the Quranic injunction of the perpetuality of the remembrance of Allah, all the time or to have any other optional or non-obligatory prayers, over and above the obligatory !
These are indeed the inheritors.
Who shall inherit the Firdaus (Paradise). They shall dwell therein forever.
Surah Isra 17 verse 80 Say: "O my Lord! let my entry be by the Gate of Truth and Honor and likewise my exit by the Gate of Truth and Honor; and grant me from Thy Presence an authority to aid (me)."
How ironical that when it suits you guys, you are willing to cling to what Ali said about something in particular but unwilling to accept whatever else he may have said?...for example Ali was asked by one of his companion, Dhi'lib al Yamani.."have you seen your Lord?"...the Imam replied, "I would not worship a lord whom I have not seen.."...would you accept this positioning also?
After the passing away of the Prophet, one of the questions that engaged muslim thinkers was that of the nature of human action. One group like yours adopted the viewpoint of jabr (determinism)and claim that man is a constrained agent - another group took a diametrically opposite position, conceiving man having free will and both groups upheld an exclusivist point of view but Imam Jafar as sadiq gave a third perspective to it..."neither compulsion (jabr) nor complete freedom (tawfid) - rather something in between ! So are you also willing to accept this positioning of the Imam or only what suits your sectarian agenda?
If the freewill of man was non-existent as many of you want others to believe, the dictates of religion itself would become vain and futile, for if each individual were helpless in regard to his or her own life, they would be compelled to only follow a course of life that had been established for him previously and thus unable to deviate by even an inch from the path and so in such a case the religious commands and prohibitions, promises, threats, rewards and punishments would all be utterly meaningless.
To try and argue that Islam can only be practiced as it was practiced in the medieval past is to give a "time dimension" to Islam !
Thank you Sir !
ZN
Assalamau alaykum wa rahmatuallahi wa barakatuhu
Surah Muminun
23:1. Successful indeed are the believers.
Those who offer their Salât (prayers) with all solemnity and full submissiveness.
Imam Ali said (Sermon 198)- Pledge yourself with prayer and remain steady on it. Offer prayer as much as possible and seek nearness of Allah through it.."
Now the expression "as much as possible" is not a restrictive direction in terms of numbers ! or is it?
Then Imam Ali says..."because it is imposed on you as a "time ordinance" and then he quotes ayah of the Quran (4:103)...see he talks of the timings !
Then Imam gives an example or an anecdote - "have you not heard the reply of the people of Hell when they were asked?"....They shall say.." We were not of those who offered the regular prayers to Allah"....again Imam is not talking of the number here and quotes again an ayah from the Quran !
Then Imam Ali quotes ayah 24:37 and 20:132 ! I do not find any imposition of "5 times - 5 prayers" ! save "keep up the prayer and exert for the sake of Allah" is the theme that I find.
To continue with the theme....
And those who turn away from Al-Laghw (dirty, false, evil vain talk, falsehood, and all that Allâh has forbidden).
(We all are good at barking at each other and pointing fingers and maligning other sects in islam though it is like eating the flesh of one's own brother)
And those who pay the Zakât .
(Many don't and endless argue and try and wriggle out of this fundamental obligation)
And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts, from illegal sexual acts)
(Many are having mistresses and "legalized" prostitution and visit brothels in Syria and Iraq where the women are, their own sisters in faith, by definition)
Except from their wives or (the captives and slaves) that their right hands possess, for then, they are free from blame; But whoever seeks beyond that, then those are the transgressors;
Those who are faithfully true to their Amanât (all the duties which Allâh has ordained, honesty, moral responsibility and trusts etc.)[] and to their covenants.
(Infidels are still better than hypocrites ! Hypocrites are those who reneged on their "bayah" after giving it or knowing the facts and those who refuse to fulfill their Trust and give back Amanat to God and HIS Prophet are Munafiqun !)
And those who strictly guard their congregational Salawât (prayers) (at their fixed stated hours).
Once again the emphasis is on "fixed stated hours" - not the numbers ! as fixing the numbers would restrict people from praying more and beyond and this would contradict the Quranic injunction of the perpetuality of the remembrance of Allah, all the time or to have any other optional or non-obligatory prayers, over and above the obligatory !
These are indeed the inheritors.
Who shall inherit the Firdaus (Paradise). They shall dwell therein forever.
Surah Isra 17 verse 80 Say: "O my Lord! let my entry be by the Gate of Truth and Honor and likewise my exit by the Gate of Truth and Honor; and grant me from Thy Presence an authority to aid (me)."
How ironical that when it suits you guys, you are willing to cling to what Ali said about something in particular but unwilling to accept whatever else he may have said?...for example Ali was asked by one of his companion, Dhi'lib al Yamani.."have you seen your Lord?"...the Imam replied, "I would not worship a lord whom I have not seen.."...would you accept this positioning also?
After the passing away of the Prophet, one of the questions that engaged muslim thinkers was that of the nature of human action. One group like yours adopted the viewpoint of jabr (determinism)and claim that man is a constrained agent - another group took a diametrically opposite position, conceiving man having free will and both groups upheld an exclusivist point of view but Imam Jafar as sadiq gave a third perspective to it..."neither compulsion (jabr) nor complete freedom (tawfid) - rather something in between ! So are you also willing to accept this positioning of the Imam or only what suits your sectarian agenda?
If the freewill of man was non-existent as many of you want others to believe, the dictates of religion itself would become vain and futile, for if each individual were helpless in regard to his or her own life, they would be compelled to only follow a course of life that had been established for him previously and thus unable to deviate by even an inch from the path and so in such a case the religious commands and prohibitions, promises, threats, rewards and punishments would all be utterly meaningless.
To try and argue that Islam can only be practiced as it was practiced in the medieval past is to give a "time dimension" to Islam !
Thank you Sir !
ZN
Re: Prayers in Qur'an
It is clear you have not read all the sermons of Imam Ali or if you have then you are obfuscating Sir !
Sermon 153
Excerpts)
"He who has an intelligent mind looks to his goals ! He knows his low roads as well as his high road. The caller has called. The Shepherd has tended his flocks and so respond to the caller and follow the Shepherd !"
Now lets see what the Prophet said as he was the "caller" of his time and before he parted physically who was the Shepherd?.
A more detailed speech of Prophet at the Pond of Khum
Messenger of Allah said:
Praise belongs to Allah. We ask Him for help, and we believe in Him,and in Him we trust. We seek refuge to Him from the evil of our souls
and the sins of our deeds. Verily there is no guide for the one whom Allah leaves in stray, and there is none who leads astray the one whom
Allah has guided.
O People! Know that Gabriel came down to me several times bringing me an order from the Lord, the Merciful, that I should stop at this place
and inform you.
Behold! It is as if the time approached when I shall be called away (by Allah) and I shall answer that call.
O Folk! Dont you witness that there is no deity but Allah, Muhammad is His servant and His Apostle, Paradise is truth, Hell is truth,
death is truth, resurrection is truth, and that the Hour shall certainly arrive, and Allah shall raise people from the graves?
People replied: Yes, we believe in them.
He continued: O People! Do you hear my voice (clearly)? They said:
Yes. The Prophet said: Behold! I am leaving among you two precious and weighty Symbols that if you adhere to both of them, you shall never go astray after me. Each of these two surpasses the other in its grandeur.
A person asked: O Messenger of Allah, what are those two precious things?
The Prophet replied: One of them is the Book of Allah and the other one is my select progeny (Itrat), that is family (Ahlul-Bayt).Beware
of how you behave them when I am gone from amongst you, for Allah, the Merciful, has informed me that these two (i.e., Quran and Ahlul-Bayt) shall never separate from each other until they reach me in Heaven at the Pool (of al-Kawthar). I remind you, in the name of Allah, about my Ahlul-Bayt. I remind you, in the name of Allah, about my Ahlul-Bayt. Once more! I remind you, in the name of Allah, about my Ahlul-Bayt.
Behold! I am your predecessor at the Pool (of Paradise) and I shall be a witness against you.
Thus be careful how you treat these two
precious things after me. Do not precede these two for you will perish, and do not stay away from them for you will perish.
O People! Dont you know that I have more authority upon you than
yourself?
People cried and said: Yes, O Messenger of Allah. Then prophet repeated: O Folk! Do I not have more right over the believers than what they have over themselves? People said again Yes, O
Messenger of Allah. Then Prophet said: O People! Surely God is my Master, and I am the master of all believers. Then he grasped the hand of Ali and raised it and said:
WHOEVER I AM HIS MASTER, ALI IS HIS MASTER (repeating three times).
O God! Love those who love him. Be hostile to those who are hostile to him. Help those who help him. Forsake those who forsake him. And keep
the truth with him wherever he turns (i.e., make him the axis of the truth).
Ali, the son of Abu Talib, is my brother, my executor (Wasi), and my successor (Caliph), and the leader (Imam) after me. His position to me
is the same as the position of Haroon (Aaron) to Moses, except that there shall be no prophet after me. He is your master after Allah and
His Messenger.
O Folk! Verily Allah has appointed him to be your Imam and ruler. Obedience of him is obligatory for all Immigrants (Muhajirin) and
Helpers (Ansar) and those who follow them in virtue, and on the dwellers of the cities and the nomads, the Arabs and the non-Arabs, the freeman and the slave, the young and the old, the great and the small, the white and the black.
His commands should be obeyed, and his word is binding and his order is obligatory on everyone who believes in one God. Cursed is the man
who disobeys him, and blessed is the one who follows him, and he who believes in him is a true believer. His WILAYAH (belief in his
mastery) has been made obligatory by Allah, the Powerful, the Exalted.
O Folk! Study the Quran. Reflect on its clear verses and do not presume the meaning of the ambiguous verses. For, by Allah, nobody can
properly explain them to you its warnings and its meanings except me and this man (i.e., Ali) whose hand I am lifting up in front of myself.
O People! This is the last time that I shall stand in this assembly.
Therefore listen to me and obey and submit to the command of Lord.
Verily Allah, He is your Lord and God. After Him, His prophet,
Muhammad who is addressing you, is your master. Then after me, this Ali is your master and your leader (Imam) according to Allah's
command.
Then after him leadership will continue through some selected individuals in my descendants till the day you meet Allah and His Prophet.
Behold! Certainly you shall meet your Lord and He will ask you about your deeds.
Beware! Do not become infidels after me by striking the necks of one another. Lo! It is incumbent upon those who are present
to inform what I said to those who are absent for perhaps the informed one might comprehend it (understand it) better than some of the
present audience.
Behold! Havent I conveyed the Message of Allah to
you?
Behold! Havent I conveyed the Message of Allah to you?
People replied: Yes. The Prophet said: O God! Bear witness.
References:
- Aalam al-Wara, pp 132-133
- Tadhkirat al-Khawas al-Ummah, Sibt Ibn al-Jawzi al-Hanafi, pp 28-33
- al-Sirah al-Halabiyyah, by Noor al-Din al-Halabi, v3, p273
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Now Allah's says Obey the Prophet ! have you obeyed him first and foremost even before you try to talk to me about whether Ali has said this or that?
In his sermon Ali said.." The Oppressors (those who opposed the Ahl al Bayt) have entered the oceans of disturbance and have taken INNOVATIONS instead of the SUNNAH whilst the believers HAVE SUNK DOWN the MISGUIDED AND THE LIARS ARE TALKING ! What is not clear to you folks here?
Then the Imam says.." WE (Ahl al Bayt) are the near ones, companions, treasure holders and the doors (to the Sunnah). Houses are NOT entered save through their (Ahl al Bayt's) doors. WHOEVER enters them from OTHER than the door, is calleda thief..."
Wow ! it is clear as crystal to me !
Thank you Sir !
ZN
Sermon 153
Excerpts)"He who has an intelligent mind looks to his goals ! He knows his low roads as well as his high road. The caller has called. The Shepherd has tended his flocks and so respond to the caller and follow the Shepherd !"
Now lets see what the Prophet said as he was the "caller" of his time and before he parted physically who was the Shepherd?.
A more detailed speech of Prophet at the Pond of Khum
Messenger of Allah said:
Praise belongs to Allah. We ask Him for help, and we believe in Him,and in Him we trust. We seek refuge to Him from the evil of our souls
and the sins of our deeds. Verily there is no guide for the one whom Allah leaves in stray, and there is none who leads astray the one whom
Allah has guided.
O People! Know that Gabriel came down to me several times bringing me an order from the Lord, the Merciful, that I should stop at this place
and inform you.
Behold! It is as if the time approached when I shall be called away (by Allah) and I shall answer that call.
O Folk! Dont you witness that there is no deity but Allah, Muhammad is His servant and His Apostle, Paradise is truth, Hell is truth,
death is truth, resurrection is truth, and that the Hour shall certainly arrive, and Allah shall raise people from the graves?
People replied: Yes, we believe in them.
He continued: O People! Do you hear my voice (clearly)? They said:
Yes. The Prophet said: Behold! I am leaving among you two precious and weighty Symbols that if you adhere to both of them, you shall never go astray after me. Each of these two surpasses the other in its grandeur.
A person asked: O Messenger of Allah, what are those two precious things?
The Prophet replied: One of them is the Book of Allah and the other one is my select progeny (Itrat), that is family (Ahlul-Bayt).Beware
of how you behave them when I am gone from amongst you, for Allah, the Merciful, has informed me that these two (i.e., Quran and Ahlul-Bayt) shall never separate from each other until they reach me in Heaven at the Pool (of al-Kawthar). I remind you, in the name of Allah, about my Ahlul-Bayt. I remind you, in the name of Allah, about my Ahlul-Bayt. Once more! I remind you, in the name of Allah, about my Ahlul-Bayt.
Behold! I am your predecessor at the Pool (of Paradise) and I shall be a witness against you.
Thus be careful how you treat these two
precious things after me. Do not precede these two for you will perish, and do not stay away from them for you will perish.
O People! Dont you know that I have more authority upon you than
yourself?
People cried and said: Yes, O Messenger of Allah. Then prophet repeated: O Folk! Do I not have more right over the believers than what they have over themselves? People said again Yes, O
Messenger of Allah. Then Prophet said: O People! Surely God is my Master, and I am the master of all believers. Then he grasped the hand of Ali and raised it and said:
WHOEVER I AM HIS MASTER, ALI IS HIS MASTER (repeating three times).
O God! Love those who love him. Be hostile to those who are hostile to him. Help those who help him. Forsake those who forsake him. And keep
the truth with him wherever he turns (i.e., make him the axis of the truth).
Ali, the son of Abu Talib, is my brother, my executor (Wasi), and my successor (Caliph), and the leader (Imam) after me. His position to me
is the same as the position of Haroon (Aaron) to Moses, except that there shall be no prophet after me. He is your master after Allah and
His Messenger.
O Folk! Verily Allah has appointed him to be your Imam and ruler. Obedience of him is obligatory for all Immigrants (Muhajirin) and
Helpers (Ansar) and those who follow them in virtue, and on the dwellers of the cities and the nomads, the Arabs and the non-Arabs, the freeman and the slave, the young and the old, the great and the small, the white and the black.
His commands should be obeyed, and his word is binding and his order is obligatory on everyone who believes in one God. Cursed is the man
who disobeys him, and blessed is the one who follows him, and he who believes in him is a true believer. His WILAYAH (belief in his
mastery) has been made obligatory by Allah, the Powerful, the Exalted.
O Folk! Study the Quran. Reflect on its clear verses and do not presume the meaning of the ambiguous verses. For, by Allah, nobody can
properly explain them to you its warnings and its meanings except me and this man (i.e., Ali) whose hand I am lifting up in front of myself.
O People! This is the last time that I shall stand in this assembly.
Therefore listen to me and obey and submit to the command of Lord.
Verily Allah, He is your Lord and God. After Him, His prophet,
Muhammad who is addressing you, is your master. Then after me, this Ali is your master and your leader (Imam) according to Allah's
command.
Then after him leadership will continue through some selected individuals in my descendants till the day you meet Allah and His Prophet.
Behold! Certainly you shall meet your Lord and He will ask you about your deeds.
Beware! Do not become infidels after me by striking the necks of one another. Lo! It is incumbent upon those who are present
to inform what I said to those who are absent for perhaps the informed one might comprehend it (understand it) better than some of the
present audience.
Behold! Havent I conveyed the Message of Allah to
you?
Behold! Havent I conveyed the Message of Allah to you?
People replied: Yes. The Prophet said: O God! Bear witness.
References:
- Aalam al-Wara, pp 132-133
- Tadhkirat al-Khawas al-Ummah, Sibt Ibn al-Jawzi al-Hanafi, pp 28-33
- al-Sirah al-Halabiyyah, by Noor al-Din al-Halabi, v3, p273
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Now Allah's says Obey the Prophet ! have you obeyed him first and foremost even before you try to talk to me about whether Ali has said this or that?
In his sermon Ali said.." The Oppressors (those who opposed the Ahl al Bayt) have entered the oceans of disturbance and have taken INNOVATIONS instead of the SUNNAH whilst the believers HAVE SUNK DOWN the MISGUIDED AND THE LIARS ARE TALKING ! What is not clear to you folks here?
Then the Imam says.." WE (Ahl al Bayt) are the near ones, companions, treasure holders and the doors (to the Sunnah). Houses are NOT entered save through their (Ahl al Bayt's) doors. WHOEVER enters them from OTHER than the door, is calleda thief..."
Wow ! it is clear as crystal to me !
Thank you Sir !
ZN
Re: Prayers in Qur'an
Blank Cheque? You must be kidding ! did all those since Adam and Abraham also have "blank cheques"? if so then Allah is not all-powerful or all-knowing if I am to believe your ignorance Sir !
The Prophet (may peace be on him and his pure progeny) said: " NOT one of you is a believer until I am more beloved unto him than his own children and all the mankind together and my DESCENDANTS are more beloved to him than his own "...do you accept this ahadith? or do you disagree with the Prophet also (peace be on him)
You say you understand the Quran...then explain what God says here...." who would lend me a goodly loan and HE would multiply it for him and for him will be a rich reward.."(57:11).......so what "loan" ? what reward? and why Allah is saying "HE" and not "1" - so who is He"? Also in the Quran why is Allah constantly referring to HIS First Person in the "Plural" when we all maintain God is just ONE ? who is HE? who is WE? who is US ? Allah makes constant references of such a plural as WE/US/OURS in the Quran...why not just "1"?
Are you simply searching for just an opportunity to ratchet up fear on the Muslim world stage in order to demoralize public faith in the rule of the Ahl al Bayt, whereby they do rule according to NASS and not elections or self-appointments.
Lack of love and understanding of faith and the will to return the Amanat of God and the prophet is the driving force of and the actual cause of all your contemporary evil ideology and incendiary remarks.
69. A party of the People of the Scripture long to make you go astray; and they make none to go astray except themselves, but they perceive not.
70. O People of the Scripture! Why disbelieve ye in the revelations of Allah, when ye (yourselves) bear witness (to their truth) ?
71. O People of the Scripture! Why confound ye truth with falsehood and knowingly conceal the truth ?
The Munafiqun are quick to judge, easy to anger, slow to understand... they carry undue prejudice, fear and ignorance which for them go hand-in-hand.The facts are real ! Imamat has existed since time immemorial and there is a Covenant of Allah made with Abraham ! Check ! it is in the Quran ! There is so much in the Quran that you haven't read or are wilfully suppressing !
Do you remember Abraham? After Adam , Abraham was also raised by Allah to "Imamship" of the entire mankind and Abraham asked ALLAH, for Imams from his progeny. Thus anyone not tracing descendancy from Abraham, through Moses and Jesus and Muhamad, are not the Imams though they may call themselves as such.....Imamat is a divine insitution and the Imams from the progeny of the prophets are designated through NASS - not elected by the people - nor do they self-appoint themselves, if you will.
" Verily I make thee Imam for mankind " - Abraham said:.." And of my offspring".....Allah said " Yes! but my Covenant reaches NOT the unjust ones !
So overtime the wrong-doers have dis -appeared, as per the covenant Allah made with Abraham....
This ayah of Sura al Baqara is self-explanatory and supports the rightfulness of Muhamad (SAW) Rasul e Karim and his Ahl al Bayt as the successors and even Bibi Fatima has concurred over this issue categorically Sir !
Sure we are at liberty to remain deluded ! Sure we can pursue hypocrisy ! That is your choice and free will !..."a condition of the people will not change unless they change what is in their hearts.." and the Prophet is clear..."You will perish"...EXCEPT those who are sitting inside Noah's Ark as he has likened his Ahl al Bayt as the Noah's Ark...the rest is a matter of belief Sir ! You believe what you want to believe....simply "submitting" is not enough ! faith must also enter your hearts ! otherwise it is just arrogance Sir ! have a nice day !
ZN
The Prophet (may peace be on him and his pure progeny) said: " NOT one of you is a believer until I am more beloved unto him than his own children and all the mankind together and my DESCENDANTS are more beloved to him than his own "...do you accept this ahadith? or do you disagree with the Prophet also (peace be on him)
You say you understand the Quran...then explain what God says here...." who would lend me a goodly loan and HE would multiply it for him and for him will be a rich reward.."(57:11).......so what "loan" ? what reward? and why Allah is saying "HE" and not "1" - so who is He"? Also in the Quran why is Allah constantly referring to HIS First Person in the "Plural" when we all maintain God is just ONE ? who is HE? who is WE? who is US ? Allah makes constant references of such a plural as WE/US/OURS in the Quran...why not just "1"?
Are you simply searching for just an opportunity to ratchet up fear on the Muslim world stage in order to demoralize public faith in the rule of the Ahl al Bayt, whereby they do rule according to NASS and not elections or self-appointments.
Lack of love and understanding of faith and the will to return the Amanat of God and the prophet is the driving force of and the actual cause of all your contemporary evil ideology and incendiary remarks.
69. A party of the People of the Scripture long to make you go astray; and they make none to go astray except themselves, but they perceive not.
70. O People of the Scripture! Why disbelieve ye in the revelations of Allah, when ye (yourselves) bear witness (to their truth) ?
71. O People of the Scripture! Why confound ye truth with falsehood and knowingly conceal the truth ?
The Munafiqun are quick to judge, easy to anger, slow to understand... they carry undue prejudice, fear and ignorance which for them go hand-in-hand.The facts are real ! Imamat has existed since time immemorial and there is a Covenant of Allah made with Abraham ! Check ! it is in the Quran ! There is so much in the Quran that you haven't read or are wilfully suppressing !
Do you remember Abraham? After Adam , Abraham was also raised by Allah to "Imamship" of the entire mankind and Abraham asked ALLAH, for Imams from his progeny. Thus anyone not tracing descendancy from Abraham, through Moses and Jesus and Muhamad, are not the Imams though they may call themselves as such.....Imamat is a divine insitution and the Imams from the progeny of the prophets are designated through NASS - not elected by the people - nor do they self-appoint themselves, if you will.
" Verily I make thee Imam for mankind " - Abraham said:.." And of my offspring".....Allah said " Yes! but my Covenant reaches NOT the unjust ones !
So overtime the wrong-doers have dis -appeared, as per the covenant Allah made with Abraham....
This ayah of Sura al Baqara is self-explanatory and supports the rightfulness of Muhamad (SAW) Rasul e Karim and his Ahl al Bayt as the successors and even Bibi Fatima has concurred over this issue categorically Sir !
Sure we are at liberty to remain deluded ! Sure we can pursue hypocrisy ! That is your choice and free will !..."a condition of the people will not change unless they change what is in their hearts.." and the Prophet is clear..."You will perish"...EXCEPT those who are sitting inside Noah's Ark as he has likened his Ahl al Bayt as the Noah's Ark...the rest is a matter of belief Sir ! You believe what you want to believe....simply "submitting" is not enough ! faith must also enter your hearts ! otherwise it is just arrogance Sir ! have a nice day !
ZN
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Re: Prayers in Qur'an
Br. Anajmi
AS
Do you really want to debate Salat for Muslim with these people. They will deney their own mother.
BTW MHI has original copy in Hz Ali's hand writing. His copy does not contain what you posted. This was added by No. 1,2 & 3
Wsalaam
AS
Do you really want to debate Salat for Muslim with these people. They will deney their own mother.
BTW MHI has original copy in Hz Ali's hand writing. His copy does not contain what you posted. This was added by No. 1,2 & 3
Wsalaam
Re: Prayers in Qur'an
znan,
Unfortunately, I skimmed through your essay and decided it wasn't worth my time to reply to it line by line. Besides your understanding about the quran is pretty clear when you question the use of the plural "WE" by Allah. You have obviously made shirk a part of your religion. No need to argue against that!!
The quran, the Prophet and Hazrat Ali have made the number and times of prayers pretty clear. No need to waste anymore time on it either.
Thanks Br. Muslim First.
Unfortunately, I skimmed through your essay and decided it wasn't worth my time to reply to it line by line. Besides your understanding about the quran is pretty clear when you question the use of the plural "WE" by Allah. You have obviously made shirk a part of your religion. No need to argue against that!!
The quran, the Prophet and Hazrat Ali have made the number and times of prayers pretty clear. No need to waste anymore time on it either.
Thanks Br. Muslim First.
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Sir !
It is up to you to continue with the theological and juristic debate or concede ! What I have asked is relevant and pertinent ! If God is just ONE why does he use WE/US/OURS and not just "I" ? did your scribes make a mistake? I doubt ! so what is the rationale? what is the logical conclusion here one can draw respectfully? And also which is the last and final ayah Allah sent to Muhamad (peace be on him and his pure progeny)? Where will you find this hidden today in the Quran? what is it's historical context? Whether the Imam e Zamana has the handwritten script or not is again not the issue ! Quran is with them and they are with the Quran ! and I mean the original Quran as revealed, by Allah ! "And WE have confined EVERYTHING into a MANIFEST IMAM ! - Read the Quran Sir ! I am not fabricating ! I am drawing conclusions which I can, like anyone else Sir ! Thank you !
ZN
It is up to you to continue with the theological and juristic debate or concede ! What I have asked is relevant and pertinent ! If God is just ONE why does he use WE/US/OURS and not just "I" ? did your scribes make a mistake? I doubt ! so what is the rationale? what is the logical conclusion here one can draw respectfully? And also which is the last and final ayah Allah sent to Muhamad (peace be on him and his pure progeny)? Where will you find this hidden today in the Quran? what is it's historical context? Whether the Imam e Zamana has the handwritten script or not is again not the issue ! Quran is with them and they are with the Quran ! and I mean the original Quran as revealed, by Allah ! "And WE have confined EVERYTHING into a MANIFEST IMAM ! - Read the Quran Sir ! I am not fabricating ! I am drawing conclusions which I can, like anyone else Sir ! Thank you !
ZN
Re: Prayers in Qur'an
Excellent question. No "intelligent" Mulsim has LOGICALLY and TRUTHFULLY answered that question; 1500 years and still pending.Originally posted by znanwalla:
If God is just ONE why does he use WE/US/OURS and not just "I" ?
Re: Prayers in Qur'an
Danish,
You can wait for another 1500 years and you still won't get the answer that you are looking for, except from people with the same understanding as you, which ofcourse, as I have shown, changes every now and then!!
You can wait for another 1500 years and you still won't get the answer that you are looking for, except from people with the same understanding as you, which ofcourse, as I have shown, changes every now and then!!
Re: Prayers in Qur'an
Say, (O Muhammad): If you love Allah, follow me; Allah will love you and forgive you your sins.
Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.- Holy Quran 3:31 It is best to study, analyze and reflect on the above verses carefully and think about their implicatons for allegiance to the Prophet was allegiance to Allah.
Now it is the Imams of the Ahl al Bayt from the progeny of the Prophet as per Allah's ordinance and the Prophet's declaration at Khum e Ghadir !
Is there no one to carry out and continue these spiritual functions after the prophet?
Are the believers left without a channel or means to the Love, Mercy,Blessings and Forgiveness of Allah?
The Shii Muslims affirm that the Prophet beqeathed and entrusted his religious and spiritual authority to His progeny (itrat) and family (ahl al-bayt) through Imam Ali ibn Abi Talib, Bibi Fatima as Zahara and their descendants - the Alid Imams.
We sent not a messenger, but to be obeyed, in accordance with the will of Allah.
If they had only, when they were unjust to their souls, come unto thee [Muhammad] and asked God's forgiveness, and the Messenger had asked
forgiveness for them,they would have found Allah indeed Oft-returning, Most Merciful.- Holy Quran 4:64...
"Obey Allah,the Apostle and the Olil Amr" !
Disobedience to the Olil Amr is disobedience to the Prophet and so it is obviously disobedience to Allah too !
We can see that even when it comes to forgiveness, the believers were
instructed (4:64) to go into the presence of the Prophet to seek forgiveness and the Prophet was to seek forgiveness on their behalf - and only then would they have received Allah's forgiveness.
We can also observe that Allah ordered the Prophet to send blessings(9:103) and pray on behalf of the believers (9:103 and 63:5).
If a direct relationship was possible with Allah, HE would not have sent so many Messengers and Prophets to mankind !
How much more clear can Allah be?
If muslims legislate according to inspiration and if they learn to believe that interpretation and the UNITY of God is based on disclosures of the TRUTH and not falsehoods, Inshallah we may not have to wait another 1500 years Sir !
ZN
Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.- Holy Quran 3:31 It is best to study, analyze and reflect on the above verses carefully and think about their implicatons for allegiance to the Prophet was allegiance to Allah.
Now it is the Imams of the Ahl al Bayt from the progeny of the Prophet as per Allah's ordinance and the Prophet's declaration at Khum e Ghadir !
Is there no one to carry out and continue these spiritual functions after the prophet?
Are the believers left without a channel or means to the Love, Mercy,Blessings and Forgiveness of Allah?
The Shii Muslims affirm that the Prophet beqeathed and entrusted his religious and spiritual authority to His progeny (itrat) and family (ahl al-bayt) through Imam Ali ibn Abi Talib, Bibi Fatima as Zahara and their descendants - the Alid Imams.
We sent not a messenger, but to be obeyed, in accordance with the will of Allah.
If they had only, when they were unjust to their souls, come unto thee [Muhammad] and asked God's forgiveness, and the Messenger had asked
forgiveness for them,they would have found Allah indeed Oft-returning, Most Merciful.- Holy Quran 4:64...
"Obey Allah,the Apostle and the Olil Amr" !
Disobedience to the Olil Amr is disobedience to the Prophet and so it is obviously disobedience to Allah too !
We can see that even when it comes to forgiveness, the believers were
instructed (4:64) to go into the presence of the Prophet to seek forgiveness and the Prophet was to seek forgiveness on their behalf - and only then would they have received Allah's forgiveness.
We can also observe that Allah ordered the Prophet to send blessings(9:103) and pray on behalf of the believers (9:103 and 63:5).
If a direct relationship was possible with Allah, HE would not have sent so many Messengers and Prophets to mankind !
How much more clear can Allah be?
If muslims legislate according to inspiration and if they learn to believe that interpretation and the UNITY of God is based on disclosures of the TRUTH and not falsehoods, Inshallah we may not have to wait another 1500 years Sir !
ZN
Re: Prayers in Qur'an
Today, on earth there are no true messengers and prophets alive. Prophet Muhammed (sas) was the last prophet. If there is someone who says that he is the only way to approach God, he is a liar. There is one other way to look at it, people who follow this Imam are not good enough to approach God directly. For the rest of us, God can be approached directly because we are closer to him than those who need this Imam!!If a direct relationship was possible with Allah, HE would not have sent so many Messengers and Prophets to mankind !
Thank you sir!!
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Re: Prayers in Qur'an
[QUOTE]Originally posted by anajmi:
. There is one other way to look at it, people who follow this Imam are not good enough to approach God directly. For the rest of us, God can be approached directly because we are closer to him than those who need this Imam!!
Thank you sir!!
Then please explain why you Idiots are being Whacked and pounded in every way today. Why? Allah doesnt look at your piety? does your dark mark on your forehead account for any rehmat from Him? You know why? because you have hatred and jealousy dripping from your eyes. I must say you Morons are closer because, at any given moment you are kaput!!You Wahhabis seem to be going in circles with your funny pajamas, especially the ones above your ankles looking like an even more retarded images of Charlie Chaplin. all you Idiots are good for is Cannon fodder, Patsies who have no brains. As one Saudi wahhabi said, at a click of a finger we can have thousands of willing Jihadis from India and Pakistan.... BTW. congratulations on an early Eid gift to the people of Delhi. ...
. There is one other way to look at it, people who follow this Imam are not good enough to approach God directly. For the rest of us, God can be approached directly because we are closer to him than those who need this Imam!!
Thank you sir!!
Then please explain why you Idiots are being Whacked and pounded in every way today. Why? Allah doesnt look at your piety? does your dark mark on your forehead account for any rehmat from Him? You know why? because you have hatred and jealousy dripping from your eyes. I must say you Morons are closer because, at any given moment you are kaput!!You Wahhabis seem to be going in circles with your funny pajamas, especially the ones above your ankles looking like an even more retarded images of Charlie Chaplin. all you Idiots are good for is Cannon fodder, Patsies who have no brains. As one Saudi wahhabi said, at a click of a finger we can have thousands of willing Jihadis from India and Pakistan.... BTW. congratulations on an early Eid gift to the people of Delhi. ...
Re: Prayers in Qur'an
That is simple logic. Imagine a parent that has two kids. One is better than the other. When the better one commits a mistake, his punishment is more severe than the one who wasn't on the right path in the first place. The parent doesn't care much about the faulty child. The muslims are getting punished today because of their wayward ways, so that they can come back to the path of Allah and the sunnah of the prophet. For those that were not on the path in the first place, can keep going wherever it is that they are going. They will be dealt with in the hereafter!!
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Re: Prayers in Qur'an
The parent doesn't care much about the faulty child.
What kind of parent does not care much about the faulty child? Is he then fit to be a parent? Don't compare Allah S.W.T. to your dysfunctional parents. We have seen the product of a dysfunctional family here, and you are a good example of it.
Africawala