THE QURAN AND THE IMAMAH

[Muslim First]

THE QURAN AND THE IMAMAH
http://allaahuakbar.net/shiites/quran_and_imamah.htm

SUMMARY

We have discussed here each and every place in the QURAN where the word Imam and its plural A’immah were used in the QURAN. It was demonstrated how Allah Ta‘ala used this word to refer variously to

* a book (thrice)

* the Champions of Kufr (twice)

* a road (once)

* the leaders of the Israelites

* the leaders of the Pious

* the Prophets or the Book

Any attempt by the shia to identify their idiosyncratic notion of Imamah with the Imamah of the QURAN is totally incongruous. The closest they could come to it would be to draw a similarity between their own Imamah and the leadership of the Israelites. However, such a similarity is immediately rejected when one considers that this leadership of the Israelites is clearly identified in the QURAN with the Ambiya of Bani Isra’il. The QURAN provides no grounds whatsoever to identify this leadership of the Israelites with anyone but the Ambiya. It is not uncommon to find the shia quoting verses such as the 5th verse of Surah al-Qasas to substantiate their belief of Imamah. If they only took the trouble of reading the verse in its proper context, without adding to it the excrescences of their own theology, they will see just how far fetched their identification of QURANIC Imamah with Shiite Imamah really is. In al-Qasas:5 for example, the reference is clearly to Musa and his people. Just how, one wonders, is that verse extended to Ali ibn Abi Talib and eleven persons from his progeny?

The attempt to draw a comparison between the QURANIC Leadership of the Pious and the Imamah of the shia is similarly fraught with problems. It has been seen above how this form of leadership is a favour sought from Allah by His ideal servants. The Imamah of the shia of the shia, on the other hand, is like Nubuwwah, divinely granted, and cannot be aspired to by any person. The utter lack of harmony between this form of leadership and Shiite Imamah is nowhere more clearly brought to light than in the authentically narrated saying of Imam Ja‘far as-Sadiq which points at the corruption of the text of the QURAN at the hands of the SAHAABAH {radiyallahu ‘anhum} as the reason for the disparity.

The only other QURANIC meaning of the word Imam left to the shia is the one which refers to the Day of Qiyamah, when nations will be called by their "Imams". Is it possible that the word "Imam" here could be referring to the Shiite concept of Imamah? Unfortunately for the shia, once again that is not possible. It is not possible for two reasons:

* Firstly, because a holistic reading of the immediately following verses, as well as of other verses of the QURAN point unmistakably to the fact that the Imamah spoken of here refers either to the Ambiya, by whose names nations are called not only in the Hereafter, but in the QURAN and Sunnah too, or to their books of deeds by which they will be called to account.

* Secondly, because identifying the verse with the Shiite concept of Imamah leads to a very problematic distribution of nations for the various Imams.

In conclusion, in the usage of the word "ImAam" in the QURAN there is nothing whatsoever to support the belief of Imamah as conceived of by the shia.

[znanwalla]

MF...the imaginary problem is only in the figment of your own imaginations that also somehow imagines even God and partners 99 different imaginations with the Supreme God and creates fables !

Now you might not find this in your concocted texts...or you might....

63. Know they not that whoso opposeth Allah and His messenger, his verily is fire of hell, to abide therein ? That is the extreme abasement.

67. The Hypocrites, both men and women, proceed one from another. They enjoin the wrong, and they forbid the right, and they withhold their hands (from spending for the cause of Allah). They forget Allah, so He hath forgotten them. Lo! the hypocrites, they are the transgressors.

68. Allah promiseth the hypocrites, both men and women, and the disbelievers fire of hell for their abode. It will suffice them. Allah curseth them, and theirs is lasting torment.

[anajmi]

Where did you find these? In the hidden quran? Why don't you tell us you liar? Are they your fabrications too?

[znanwalla]

I found them in your interpolated man made fabrications especially written and produced for dumbos from the pit latrines like you and MF...hahahahahh!!!...zn

[anajmi]

So you are quoting fabrications that you don't believe in. So that means they are actually referring to you. HAHAHAHA!!

[znanwalla]

Najmi,

How can they be referring to me when they were created for fools like you from the Pit Latrines? showing you the quality of what you have and what you follow is worth every penny so that the world can know the truth about you....see what is happening in Mumbai....that is the cult you and MF belongs to and now everyone will know why I even called you an extremist with potentialities....if people will care to view "Obsession" on You tube, they will certainly see your Images and that of your heinous cult..... The doctrines you propagate makes a mockery of the Muslim dogma that the noble Quran is faithful and an unalterable "reproduction' of the original scriptures which you claim are preserved in the heaven !!! so how do you guys know what is actually preserved? You have abandoned the wise ones !You have messed islam ! You have messed this entire world and sitting here in this forum extremists like you are now throwing abuse at all and sundry.....just get lost...you are some piece of......zn

[anajmi]

If it was created by hazrat Uthman, then how can it be for me? It is obviously referring to Imam worshippers like you. HAHAHHHAHAH!!!

[znanwalla]

Najmi,

So now you are saying you don't even follow the Uthmanic "Quran"...hahahahahha! upto now you have been boasting and boasting so loudly that our ears were paining !.....shows you don't know what you are talking as the "imami" have the Quran passed onto Ali and they don't need your Text and the "Imamis' are not as screwed up as you all are.....show me if Iran has ever attacked anyone unfairly? show me if during the war in lebanon, Hizbollah blew any innocent men and women or attacked their own governemnet or institutions?....today Saudi is even scared of its own people and so America is sitting right inside to protect the Rulers....and you are criticizing America when one just has to watch Fahrenheit 9/11 to know what the facts are?......you are folks with double and triple standards....no wonder you even betrayed the Holy Prophet !...zn

[anajmi]

I don't have any "Uthmanic" quran. I only have the quran revealed to the prophet Muhammad which Hazrat Ali did not hide like he hid it from the Ismailis HAHAHAHAHA!! Have you seen Celsius 420? HHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAH!!

[znanwalla]

You have nothing save concoctions and fabrications and I have proved this over and over again !

You can remain in self denial as much ! makes no difference to me !

If you try and retrace the history of the Quranic text you have and if you begin to understand about the variant versions circulating, you really then have nothing to talk about....

Now I ask you which text you follow? the version in Tehran? or the one in Saudi? or maybe the one in pakistan? which one? or do you follow the text of those who blow themselves and others with bombs?

God sent only one Quran - the original - as revealed to him (the Prophet) and NOT as compiled and put together by the scribes and companions of your ancestors.The Historians who have done extensive research are saying this - not us ...so what are you denying?


History will tell you that after the death of the Holy Prophet (may peace be on him), and many years after the Prophet's death, scribes and companions still alive, were asked to put together a text as the caliphs had rejected the Book the Prophet had sent.... and so they all gathered all the known revelations in the form of "Mushuf" and it ended up with several codices of several scribes and then Caliph Uthman ultimately "cannonized" the Medinan text or Codex and copies were made and distributed with orders to DESTROY all Codices....are you disputing this part of history?


History bears testimony that it was Caliph Uthman who attempted to standardize the consonantal text but many of the variant traditions yet survived ultimately leading to the growth of different centres with their own variant traditions of how the texts should be pointed and vowelized, despite Caliph Uthman's order to destroy all texts other than his own

I am not saying this...go and read history ......and so many Muslims will not even touch the Uthmanic text which you are raving about and now nobody can say or know what is the true original and which is a variant text.

Few years prior to AD 935 Ibn Mujahid tried to bring about a definite cannonization of one system consonants and a limit was placed on vowels and their variations but this was almost 300 years after the death of the prophet (may peace be on him).Do you contest this part of history?

So what are you boasting? the original Quran is with the Ahl al Bayt and the Sh'ias since the time of Hazrat Ali... Did the prophet not say to the Umma to hold to BOTH the weighty and precious things? why do you think he said that? You are claiming you are following the Prophet - don't make us sick ! had you followed the prophet ( peace be on him), islam would not be in such a turmoil....and you guys would not be blowing yourselves up like fools and having the pleasure of the flesh only...zn