...loadz of Bohri loss in bajrangi VHP/Modi riots

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Even judges had to run for cover in Ahmedabad SHYAM PAREKHTIMES NEWS NETWORK [ MONDAY, MARCH 04, 2002 9:18:30 PM ] AHMEDABAD: That the common Muslim in Ahmedabad was fully at the mercy of the mauraders is well-known. But the death of dance did not spare even top judges, sitting and retired, and police officers either. Let the events described below speak for themselves.Justice M H Kadri is a sitting judge of the Gujarat High Court. He is the only male member in his house and his family includes his 85-year-old bedridden mother. Justice Kadri lives in his official quarters at Dhulia Court near Law Garden in the heart of the city. As riots broke out, Justice Kadri was tipped off that a mob could attack his house and that the two security guards at his gate would be unable to stop the mob.Apparently, calls for more armed guards were made to the director general of police and the additional chief secretary (home) for more armed guards. What transpired is not known, but Justice Kadri was forced to move out. Chief justice of Gujarat, D Dharmadhikari, suggested that Justice Kadri move in to his official bunglow, but the latter preferred to move in with some relatives. After witnessing rioting firsthand around his relatives' home, Justice Kadri had to go to live with another judge of the High Court for a day. All with his bed-ridden mother. Fortunately, his family was unharmed. Another respected judge of the city, Justice Akbar N Divecha, also had a torrid experience. Justice Divecha who served the Gujarat High Court, retired in New Delhi as chairman of the MRTP Commission. He now heads a commission of inquiry appointed by the Surpeme Court of India.After retirement, Justice Divecha returned to make Ahmedabad his home. But last Thursday he became homeless. His house, in the Kazima flats in the Paldi area of the city, was attacked and burnt down. Justice Divecha managed to escape just in the nick of time and thus saved from any personal injury. On Monday he went back to survey his burnt house. Of course, with military escort. There is little left of what was his home."This is very unfortunate," said former chief justice of Gujarat High Court BJ Diwan. Former chief justice of Himachal Pradesh High Court Justice T U Mehta described the events as the "saddest thing to have happened in Gujarat".Even A I Saiyed, special IGP, was in full uniform and thought that was protection enough when his vehicle was stopped by a mob. But then the rioters spotted his name tag and turned on him. He was, luckily, saved by the presence of mind of his driver ---------------------- My comment:-BHP, RSS,Shiv Sena and Bajarang Dal are new Taliban of India. Genie is out of Bottle. They have acquired the power. Nobody will be able to put the Genei in the bottle back. And remember India is not Afganistan. America will not come to remove these INDIAN TALIBAN'S.Indian Muslims must be like palestinans. Give it back to them.

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'He made 200 phone calls for help' RAJIV SHAHTIMES NEWS NETWORK [ TUESDAY, MARCH 05, 2002 2:44:21 PM ] GANDHINAGAR: Ex-Congress MP Ehsan Jafri, who was burnt alive on February 28 between 3.30 p.m. and 4.30 p.m., along with tens of others in Gulmarg society in Naroda, Ahmedabad, was a victim of official and political indifference, alleges his widow."He made more than 200 frantic calls to police, bureaucrats and politicians whom he knew so well. He banked upon them to save the life of 90 to 100 persons gathered at our residence from the neighbourhood thinking they would be safe with us. But no one helped," recalls his widow Zakia Nasim Jafri, who is now staying with her relatives.Zakia, in her late 60s, considers her husband as the "epitome of secularism, for he visualised the Gulmarg Society for Muslims immediately after the 1969 communal riots in the predominantly Hindu neighbourhood." Recalling the tragic afternoon of February 28, she says, "It was a huge crown of hooligans. I do not want to blame my Hindu neighbours. Possibly, they were afraid of facing the wrath of the miscreants"."We lived in the Gandhi Chawl, also situated in the Naroda area, in 1969. Our house was burnt then also. He survived the riots, walked out in his simple khadi clothes," she candidly said. Having just observed the last rites of her husband on Monday evening, Zakia, a housewife is obviously shaken. "He told us, we would not move elsewhere. He had great faith in our Hindu neighbours. He said he would like to live only among those with whom he had lived and worked as political and social worker. They were all his friends and loved him. He trusted them. He built the Gulmarg society having 19 bungalows and 8 flats."Despite the fact that she had to tread through the burnt corpses of tens of those killed in the arson before being taken out by a handful of courageous youth, Zakia said, "I would like to go back and live there again, reviving his dream of harmony. I trust my Hindu neighbours. None among them had participated in the arson", she said. "I am sure the government will help us build our society in the memory of Ehsan Jafri and make it a symbol of secularism. I want Hindus and Muslims to live together."Till Monday late evening, when this correspondent met her, no Congress or BJP leader had come to express grief about the tragedy. "I received telephone calls from Congress leader Amarsinh Chaudhary and Rajya Sabha chairperson Najma Heptullah sharing their sorrow", she said.Elected Congress MP from Ahmedabad in 1977, soon after the emergency, Ehsan Jafri was "professionally a lawyer but had the heart of a poet", his widow Zakia said.A friend of towering Urdu poets, some living, others dead, including Sardar Jafri, Majruh Sultanpuri and Javed Ansari, he had published two collections of his 100-odd poems, most of them on love and communal harmony. "There are some unpublished verses, too, including those that were burnt in the 1969 riots", Zakia said. Showing one of the Urdu collections, Kandil(Lamp), a relative of Jafri read out a verse which said, "If you are a good Messiah, why don't you reveal what you are? Why don't you put off the candle that fails to provide light?"Another verse on communal violence, written in 1996, as if a premonition of what was to come six years later, read, "Neither the Apostle nor the Alexander came out. Only daggers sprouted on busy streets. Everyone said they were Messiahs. But when they knocked, they were found to be tormentors. Human corpses decomposed on the streets. Even the crows seemed to live better than man."With Kandil in her hands, Zakia said, "Those who attacked us and our neighbours must be punished by law. I am sure, justice would come one day."Zakia denied her husband had fired shots from a private gun provoking mob attack, as alleged by some. A witness to the tragic event, she does not betray feelings of despair. "It is not part of our Indian culture and tradition to perpetrate violence. We live in the land of the Mahatma. My husband believed and practised in non-violence. Why this bloodshed? I appeal to both Hindus and Muslims to begin a new life by starting to live together again. That alone will redeem my husband's dream." --------------My comments:-Its sad, even the connected and powerful cannot get help.

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Root out the sunni goondas & jihadis!

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<A HREF="http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/mizan03.ram">Killing in the name of god [Real Audio]</a> : South Asia has had a history of violence, steeped in hatred, fueled by intolerance, ignited by the most trivial detail and executed with overwhelming ferocity. Why? Masud Alam explores in Meezaan, Beeb-e-Urdu <A HREF="http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/"TARGET=_blank>Full Covergae Beeb-e-Urdu</a><A HREF="http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Arti ... k>[b]Media exaggerated riots, PM tells delegation[/b]</a> TOI<A HREF="http://www.smh.com.au/news/0203/05/worl ... k>[b]Hindu rioters 'given a free hand'[/b]</a> SMH<A HREF="http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/world/ ... b]Gandhi's dream turns into a sectarian nightmare[/b]</a> From Rahul Bedi, in Ahmadabad 4 Irish Times<A HREF="http://www.ndtv.com/template/template.a ... lank>[b]SC verdict on contempt case against Arundhati Roy[/b]</a> : NDTV.com<A HREF="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nati ... nk>[b]Mobs claim `victory' in India As Hindu-Muslim riots ebb, radicals destroy symbols[/b]</a> By Rajiv Chandrasekaran The Washington Post Published March 5, 2002<A HREF="http://www.hindustantimes.com/nonfram/0 ... ank>[b]Cat got your tongue, Mr PM?[/b]</a> By Indrajit Hazra in HT<A HREF="http://www.hindustantimes.com/nonfram/0 ... [b]Reaping the whirlwind[/b]</a> Amulya Ganguli in HT

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<A HREF="http://www.indian-express.com/ie2002030 ... br>Restore India’s dignity : The unthinkable has happened in Gujarat[/b]</a> By Prof Mushirul Hasan in IE<A HREF="http://www.nationalpost.com/commentary/ ... ank>[b]Can secular India stand the heat? By Sidharth Bhatia in National Post<A HREF="http://www.hindustantimes.com/nonfram/0 ... [b]Reaping the whirlwind[/b]</a> By Amulya Ganguli in HT<A HREF="http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0304/p10s ... ndu-Muslim Violence[/b]</a> CS Monitor<A HREF="http://www.iht.com/articles/49986.html" ... >[b]Coming apart at the seams[/b]</a> By Sunanda K. Datta-Ray in IHT<A HREF="http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/ ... Eyewitness: Muslims under siege[/b]</a> BBC<A HREF="http://news.ft.com/ft/gx.cgi/ftc?pagena ... Vajpayee's stark choice[/b]</a> FT Published: March 4 2002 19:38 | Last Updated: March 4 2002 19:39<A HREF="http://argument.independent.co.uk/comme ... k>[b]Peter Popham: The myth of Ram's temple has become a licence to kill in India[/b]</a> 'Muslim equals terrorist, Hindu nationalists tell each other; we have 140 million terrorists in our midst'<A HREF="http://www.indian-express.com/ie2002030 ... blank>[b]A new formula at Krishi Expo: Cow (milk+urine+dung)= toothpaste[/b]</a> By ARVIND JAYARAM & HIMANSHU GOENKA in IE

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<A HREF="http://www.indian-express.com/ie2002030 ... br>Restore India’s dignity : The unthinkable has happened in Gujarat[/b]</a> By Prof Mushirul Hasan in IE<A HREF="http://www.nationalpost.com/commentary/ ... ank>[b]Can secular India stand the heat?[/b]</a> By Sidharth Bhatia in National Post<A HREF="http://www.hindustantimes.com/nonfram/0 ... [b]Reaping the whirlwind[/b]</a> By Amulya Ganguli in HT<A HREF="http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0304/p10s ... ndu-Muslim Violence[/b]</a> CS Monitor<A HREF="http://www.iht.com/articles/49986.html" ... >[b]Coming apart at the seams[/b]</a> By Sunanda K. Datta-Ray in IHT<A HREF="http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/ ... Eyewitness: Muslims under siege[/b]</a> BBC<A HREF="http://news.ft.com/ft/gx.cgi/ftc?pagena ... Vajpayee's stark choice[/b]</a> FT Published: March 4 2002 19:38 | Last Updated: March 4 2002 19:39<A HREF="http://argument.independent.co.uk/comme ... k>[b]Peter Popham: The myth of Ram's temple has become a licence to kill in India[/b]</a> 'Muslim equals terrorist, Hindu nationalists tell each other; we have 140 million terrorists in our midst'<A HREF="http://www.indian-express.com/ie2002030 ... blank>[b]A new formula at Krishi Expo: Cow (milk+urine+dung)= toothpaste[/b]</a> By ARVIND JAYARAM & HIMANSHU GOENKA in IE

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...the fringe elements which never had mass support... 10 ourt of 13 General elections their vote share was in single digit... so every effin' husting and they would resort 2 their old tactics... [ when Lal B Shastri resigned as RM... i don't think anybody asked 4 it... but these shamelss bajrangii real thick skin... them not just the weakness of the largest democracy... but an ooogly disgusting blot... which would hang India's head in shame 4 a long time... ]...thank u friends-e-aundhati by standing by her... the enemies u make are ur hell... the friends u make around u... are the bigger heaven u create... and this would be on record... that lumpen and murderous people are in the holy seats and rioting bajrangiiz scot free to create havoc while Buddha Naari sent 2 jail... wah re raaj-e-bajrangii... Nahi vairen veraamii sammanth'dhi kuda'chan'a / Avairen cha sammanti ess dhammo santano... ...Mahaaveer was nailed in the ears... driven out of villages by the brahmins... but he kept sayin' "mitti mey sav'va bhoo-e-soo, VairaN majhjh'a kaivayi... that he is a friend 2 the whole existence... and enemy2none... and tathagat must tell u this tale... of Poorn'a kaashyap... a disciple of Buddha... one day buddha told him that he is really b'com poorn'a (complete, perfect) and he should go on his own... Poorn'a sought the direction which Buddha declined saying since he is poorn'a he is capable 2 decide on his own... Poorn'a said he would go 2 'Sookha" a dreadful place in Bihar then... Buddha warned him of the eminent dangers... 4 the people there was utter 'bajrangii' bad and those who looved2torture... and that they haven't seen monks in their lives... Poorn'a said than they even need me more... Buddha said... go but answer a coupla question b4 ya go poorn'a... first what if they hurl insults and call u names... Poorn'a said... u ask me this!!! u know i would feel... ah so decent people... just abuse and do not hit... ...and Buddha said 'what if they actually hit u, what would be in ur mind... Poorn'a said... even this u ask... u know Bhante Poorn'a would feel ah what a nice people... just hit and do not kill... Budddha said last question Poorn'a... what if they actually kill u... what would be in ur mind b4 u die... Poorna said... even this u ask... u know Bhante... Poorn'a would be happy that he got rid of a life where he could falter... and Buddha said u could go anywhere Poorn'a... noothin' could bring u down... now u r immortal... noo one can kill u...

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Train attack not pre-meditated: Post TIMES NEWS NETWORK [ THURSDAY, MARCH 07, 2002 1:40:13 PM ] NEW DELHI: There are more reports filtering in that the attack on the Sabarmati Express in Godhra that led to the communal carnage in Gujarat, was not a pre-medidated one. Times News Network had earlier quoted intelligence officials in Delhi as saying that there is no concrete evidence linking the attack to the ISI or outside forces.A Washington Post investigative report from Godhra has also discredited the theory that the train carnage was a "terrorist attack." Interviews with a cross-section, including eye-witnesses, suggest that "the train fire was not a premeditated ambush, but rather a spontaneous argument, provoked by the VHP activists, that went out of control," says the report.A police official is quoted as saying, "Both sides were at fault. The provocation was there and the reaction was strong. But no one had imagined all this would turn into such a big tragedy." In an interview to the Post, B K Nanavati, the deputy police superintendent of Godhra, has also said the investigation does not support the contention that assault on the train was a "terrorist attack." "It was not preplanned. It was a sudden, provocative incident", he said. The report in the Washington Post says "Provocation by the activists in the form of sustained hooliganism preceded retaliation. There were several prior incidents of misconduct but perhaps the spark was lit by the refusal of some activists to pay to the platform vendors for their tea." "For two days, as the Sabarmati Express snaked across northern India, some activists in cars S-5 and S-6 carried on like hooligans. They exposed themselves to other passengers. They pulled head scarves off women. They evicted a family of four in the middle of the night for refusing to join in chants. They failed to pay for tea and snacks they consumed at each stop," says the report. Thus the reputation of the rowdiest passengers had travelled before the train which was late by several hours largely because of the activists' behaviour. According to an intelligence official here, "unlike the December attack on the Indian Parliament or the attack on the American Center in Kolkata where the involvement of outside agencies was proved beyond doubt, there is no concrete evidence as yet to link the Gujarat carnage to `outside forces.' "This obviously hints towards a complete failure of the establishment in Gujarat to control the situation. Home Minister L K Advani, Minister of State I D Swamy, the BJP as well as the Ministry of Extenal Affairs spokesperson have in various forums talked of the role of the ISI and the underworld dons in the riots in Gujarat as well as the attack on the Sabarmati Express. Minister of State Omar Abdullah quickly withdrew his statement that the riots were due to `local factors' and issued a clarification that his utterances were in a personal and not official capacity. There were reports from Kolkata that some terrorists linked to the Gujarat carnage had been arrested, but the reports were quickly denied by the government.

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Root out the sunni goondas and jihadi groups.

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Br. qurbanI did not think you read above Times of India Report.It seems your hatread for sunni is much deeper then present situation and incident in Ghodhra.There are uneducated ppl. in every group. One must try and root out this element.Even in highly educacated grourps like 'Bohri', group mentality still exhists. Example, Beating of Dr. Asgharally and incident in Surat.So I agree with you. Root out Goond's and Jihadi Group. Does that include Goond's like Bal Thakere (Syedana Suppors him), leaders of VHP, Bajarang Dal, Shiv shena, etc. etc.Is VHP, Shiv Shena, Bajarang Dal and RSS also a Jihadi Group?They all should be eliminated.And where will be ?Wasalaam

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Hinduhttp://www.hinduonnet.com/stories/20020 ... Opinion - Leader Page Articles The guilty men of Ahmedabad By Harish Khare Never before has a State Government been so guilty of siding — emotionally, politically and administratively — with the rioter as happened in Ahmedabad and the rest of Gujarat. AHMEDABAD HAS been there before. The city is no stranger to violent conflicts. 1969, 1981, 1985, 1990 and 1992. But 2002 is different; fundamentally different. Plainly put: This time the State administration has turned rogue. Never before has a State Government been so guilty of siding — emotionally, politically and administratively — with the rioter as happened in Ahmedabad and the rest of Gujarat for three days. Never before, perhaps not even in 1984, has the line between the administrator and the arsonist got so blurred and so deliberately. If the violence has tapered off it is only because the vandal has run out of incendiary energy. There are three obvious reasons for this collapse of state authority in Gujarat. First, the presence of an activist kar sevak in the Chief Minister's post. Narendra Modi was rewarded with the Chief Minister's post because of his famed "dynamism". There was and continues to be an inherent conflict between his training and political persona as a grand kar sevak, and his constitutional role and obligations as a Chief Minister. In fact, by training and experience Mr. Modi was best equipped to deal with the post-Godhra carnage situation. After all, he is the best known product of the Hindutva school in Gujarat, and is well-versed in the art of calibrating violence. As Chief Minister, Mr. Modi could have anticipated — and mobilised his administration to frustrate — every single move the so-called "angry Hindu community" made after the Godhra incident. But he preferred to be a kar sevak and wilfully ignored his constitutional obligations. No wonder then that Ministers and ruling party legislators could with impunity lead the mobs in their murderous forays. Second, there was this inexcusable abdication by the administrative and police hierarchy of its professional duties. Senior IPS and IAS officers have blood on their hands. In particular, the Director-General of Police and the Ahmedabad Commissioner of Police are guilty of connivance with the rioter because the two of them simply did not have the courage of the uniform they wear to tell the Chief Minister that his "illegal" orders would not be complied with. Had the DGP walked out of his office rather than allow his police force to be enlisted in the cause of teaching a lesson to a section of society, the state-sponsored violence would have simply not taken off. Just a minor outbreak of professional conscience and an intellectual awareness of statutory authority would have stymied the revenge-brigade's appetite for retribution. Or, take for instance, the excuse that the Army could not be out on the streets earlier because it took time to find the magistrates to accompany the soldiers' column. This in a regime that preens itself as a "nuclear power". No doubt a judicial commission, sooner or later, would have to fix the culpability of these IAS and IPS officers. And, third, the political and constitutional ambivalence in New Delhi towards the events in Gujarat. Both the Prime Minister and the Home Minister failed the nation. Mr. Vajpayee watched helplessly as Mr. Modi treated him as nothing more than a Bahadur Shah Zafar, to be respected but not to be heeded. And, Mr. Vajpayee himself behaved like a Bahadur Shah Zafar. The nation did not hear for the first 48 hours how the Prime Minister was reacting to the news of medieval barbarity and of the State administration's procrastination. And, when Mr. Vajpayee did speak up, he was more sad than angry that a State Government could so besmirch India's name, bringing this country on a par with the Taliban. Not to be left behind is Lal Krishna Advani. As Home Minister, he must have been getting the ubiquitous "intelligence" reports on how the kar sevaks were being a nuisance on their to and fro journeys to Ayodhya; as an administrator he was obliged to alert the law and order machinery throughout the country to the potential of a violent eruption like the one that took place at Godhra. But, in his ambivalent mind, the kar sevak can do no wrong. This thinking percolates down the line, and the police and intelligence officers turn off their antennae. Then, on February 27, Mr. Advani found himself constrained to issue an uncharacteristically categorical and blunt statement, telling the VHP crowd that as Home Minister he was obliged to uphold law and order and enforce the law of the land in the matter of the Ayodhya dispute. This resolve simply melted into thin air when his party men began organising collective retribution for the Godhra massacre; throughout those four violent days the Union Home Minister forgot his constitutional obligations. On the contrary, he acted as if he found nothing amiss in a State administration treating a section of society as hostile elements. This is the same regime that only a few months ago became hyper-actively aware of its obligations under Article 355 that ensure that Government in Tamil Nadu was carried on in accordance with the Constitution. The same Law Minister, the same Home Minister and other voluble BJP Ministers are now busy finding excuses for Mr. Modi. Because of the dereliction of duty in Gandhinagar and the ambivalence in New Delhi, the Indian state has not only lost its sheen but also stands depleted considerably of its legitimacy. Unless the ruling establishment is compelled to rectify its mistakes, we would be taking the first irreversible step towards a civil war. In fact, in his clarificatory statement (of the we-do-not-need-the- Muslims'-vote fame) of February 21, the Prime minister had reported verbatim his Varanasi speech (of February 19): "Our Government is there at the Centre. There has been no discrimination, there is no insecurity — we have treated all sections of society equally. Moreover, there is the Constitution; a Human Rights Commission has been set up; there is the Judiciary; and, there are newspapers. If there is any injustice against anybody, then that injustice can be removed by recourse to these institutions." Mr. Vajpayee's own prescription would have to be applied against the Modi Government. In particular, the Vajpayee establishment could initiate steps to punish those senior officers who connived, directly or indirectly, in the systemic violence. The bureaucratic leadership itself must generate sufficient peer pressure to blackball those officers who give in to the political leaders' criminal demands. The PMO must find ways and means to send out a signal to the IPS/IAS cadres that promotions, postings and pensions can be denied to those who flirt with administrative illegality. This message is the minimum requirement and has to be heard and heeded in every State capital. Moreover, the Prime Minister and others have to realise that "Ahmedabad" has undermined the minorities' faith in the constitutional arrangement. And though the sense of insecurity in a section of society takes its own toll and complicates the task of governance, the frightening development is the gathering belief in the BJP that there may be rich electoral dividends after all in Gujarat's State-blessed dance macabre. Cultivated lawlessness is an antithesis to governance and peaceful conduct of collective affairs.

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... check Siddhath Varda Rajan... Bhaskar Ghosh in HT... <A HREF="http://161.58.209.124/cgi-bin/ultimateb ... ank>[b]Hey PDB MB ADMN check this forum software and it's features... [/b]</a><A HREF="http://www.hindustantimes.com/nonfram/0 ... blank>[b]I renounce religion : Sanjay Trehan HT[/b]</a> ...Yeh jo dard hai saaNsoN... bas woh hii sachchaa haiVisceral fires burn gujarat vivisect and be merry sings the politician tap dancing on dead stinking bodies what kind of madness is this that makes bonfires of little children torches pregnant women turns neighbour against neighbour and makes monsters out of ordinary faceless men leading dull pitiless lives Marx said religion was opium it shadows senses hides inequities but such crimes of hate are not perpetrated by people benumbed by the drug of religion but risen to a frenzied hysteria by mob reveling in the seething rage of impotent power a collective orgy of ritual You kill a man because he doesn’t share your obscurantist ideas your bloated belching beliefs you destroy a child because he was born into a religion he had no role in seeking and you don’t just surgically kill you torture maim burn and then laugh your sardonic devilish laughs and go back to your one-room tenements or your fancy homes watch third rate soap operas on prime time television spouting kitschy family virtues rape your woman in bed and pretend life goes on as usual Even an animal is not voyeuristic you watch people burn to death raise a toast to your petty lords and your effete loins you impotent you beast you wretched son of the soil you messiah of hate you mindless miserable soul you pawn in the hands of politician you scum you make me ashamed of being i renounce the sordid religion you embody Religion the slayer of innocent kids religion the one-way ticket to lunacy i renounce you

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Dear Bohra Brother and Sister My deepest condolences to dawoodi Bohra's families in Gujarat and to those families has been mercilessly murder by mob by action of right wing Vishawa Hindu Parshad and what it makes me angry and bitter is that Police,fire brigade and so called people representative stood by watching when we Bohras lives and properties has been ruthlessly destroyed and looted. i deplored the action of the mobs who burned the train carriages in Godhra and nearly 50 lives of KarSevak from Babri masjid site they called Ram Janma Bhumi lost their lives. Why this happen in Godhra we don't know!!why muslim mob burned those carriages as ther is lots of rumours going aound that Kar Sevaks intimidated muslim vendors at railway station and start harassing and humiliated them started this carnage,some say it was premedidated and person like George fernandes defence minister comes to Gujarat and start saying burning of Karsevak was planned before Hand,Mr fernades is not Angel few months back thare was alegation that he made monies out of Dead Indian Soldiers coffin kashmir conflict!! Ther should be independent commission for enquiry what has happen in Gujarat and to those resposible for burning about 50 Kar Sevak in godhra should brought to justice and those who killed many muslims and ethnic minority should be brought to justice and from both side be severly punished by the Law of the land and those police,fire Brigade who stood by and watched Muslim property burned and muslims murdered by Hindu fanatics should brought to justice same with police commissioners and so called representative of people like chief minister of Gujarat should brought to trial,district collectors who is there for to take in charge of of local situation if every thing is failing but nothing was done to prevent carnage as right wing Hindu thugs affiliated to Local political party were controlling and pulling strings and Hindu mobs were given free hand what they were doing was all right.Governor of Gujarat didn't do any thing in time to prevent carnage!! let me make one thing clear Most of Hindus are law abing citzens and Tolerents and they are good neighbours but they are very frightened of Right wing Hindu Thugs. The sad thing was about our Bohra community suffer considerable loss of Business and lives as this right wing fascist hindu Mobs were Targeting bohra premises,Homes and sources said they were using mobile phones!! Me personally what ever is agaist Kothar when the kothar they treat Bohras who speak against Kothar is excommunicated,stopping of Burial and weddings. i am very saddend by by loss of Bohra's lives and losses of their properites as Bohras were not responsible for Godhra incident, I condemened the VHP right wing Thughs who have done to Bohras and musn't forget law abding Muslims in Gujarat. let me come back to Mr Mohaammed Burhanuddin policy of appeasing the influential world leaders as i remenber i posted on this site long time ago about Double standard of Kothar that he goes and invite Fascist leader like Bal Thackay appease him.Mr mohammed Burhanuddin thinks he is safe guarding bohra community interest but it is not working and it will never work,for eg. he goes to pakistanand give some donation toresearch establishment thinking Bohras will be left alone but sunni's still harassed shia and Bohras is suffering anyway Shia is class as second class citizens in pakistan. Kothar gives Donation every where you name it in nairobi,Dubai,America in India it may work for a while but as we seen in gujarat it didn't work.Then Bohras goes and petition interior minister Advani about communal carnage in gujarat to a Fascist who master minded to demolished Babri Masjid back in 1992-6th-December,so becareful about Mr advani he is a snake who will bite you be vary of him!! Then so called the Congress party friends of Islam was in power and did nothing when hindu right wings fanatics Demolished the masjid he did nothing same with the the state goverment police stood by Mob Demolished the Babri masjid. We respect the historical point of view about Ram Janama-Bhumi,however then primeminister Narishima Rao did nothing,smae with president of India and state government and state governor did nothing to prevent demolition of Babri masjid this gave signal to VHP and Hindu right wing fanatics free hand to what they like to do in India,Same with some muslims in India they are giving impression they are talking on behalf of Pakistanthey have to change,three million muslims left for Pakistan during Partition of the continent from central and north west of India most were Urdu speaking in Pakistan they are treated differently!! I wish there was RAMA RAJAYA in India but as Hindu society is based on caste system and at the present there is strange Union of hindu Unity and strange Bedfellows why as there is Power.Greed and monies involved now also there is in fighting and power struggle is going on with RSS,BJP,VHP,Bajrangdal,and ShivSEHNA.VHP is international fascist Ring Wing Hindu organisation where monies and fund is coming especially in UK,USA. With these union of Right wings party there won't be RAMARAJYA but GUNDA RAJAYAif Rama will come back in India he will be Horrified what these right wing is doing in name of Hinduism!! Christian missionary in India is Converting lowewr class Hindus giving them selfrespect and education and Shelter,which right wing Hindu's don't like it recently in Gujarat some Hindu's thug's slaughter christian and Burn their home's. In Idia Hindu's kill other Hindu's like Dalit or lower Caste and pesant there is arbitary and systematic killings of Dalit and lower caste Hindus by Hindu landowner who has sole power over them he dictates them what to do like who or which political party to vote.Sadly same Dalit and villagers in name of HINDU religion they support right wing hindu's party,same with Muslims in India they are poor no education they goes to Madressasa and what they learn is Hate about other religion and community and is easily lead and become fanatics like Talban of Afghanistan,same with Bohra's children they goes to Bohra's madhressaand learned about brainwashing programme of Kothar and Mr Mohammed Burhanuddin. Now is time for BOHRA'S to protest every where why is KOTHAR is timid and didn't make farman to jumaat's all around the world to give petition to Indian Embassy abroad subting why bohras has to suffer and other law abiding muslim as we Bohras are not responsible what happen in Godhra we are law abiding citizens in Indiawe pay lots of Taxes to indian goverment and contibuting to indian economy.bohras and other muslims should demand for compensation and sue the police that they stood by and not intervene when HIndu's Thughs were burning Bohras property and murdering them and the Hindus thugs Burning and killing fellow muslims. i think India is great country and with our Democracy and secularism at the end it will triumph and we communities of India will learn from past mistkes,we will build strong India which will be envy of the world.India is exporter of software we are sending our own satellite,we are building our own missiles and rockets and we havw got our own nuclear proramme and cotibuter was phycist and scientistDr Kalim we are all indians we dont want to sent india 100 years back we have got many enemies on our border's choice is our's to go forward or to go in Dark ages and in Religious intolerence. Mr Mohammed Burhanuddun should now bring reform in community Amils attitude should be change when amils and Shahazada Harassed Bohras community they should be sacked and to give back control of local Jamats to local Bohra commmunity without interference of from Kothar or Amils and Mr Mohammed Burhanuddin shouldn' make statement like bohri women should't make show of himself when visiting indian town by inviting VIP's and light Decoration,procession this sort of things at the times of conflict and sensivity sometimes seeds of resentments are sown to some of the Host communities. Mr Mohammed Burhanuddin your way buying appeasment is not working it didn't work in gujarat,many Bohras suffer a lot in Gujarat,many Bohras lives has been lost plus business buid's over many generation is gone. Mighty Allah moves in mysterious way bohras suffer gujarat earthquake in 26 jan 2001 and now 2002 communal carnage,Bohras has suffer harassment in past from Hindu's kings and during Moghal empire many Dai's and Bohras become Martyr's,those Bohras who have died in this communal carnage should be class as martyr's may Allah rest their soul in peace.Wasalaam communities

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After Gujarat what?By Kuldip Nayar Many years ago I met Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan, a tall leader of our national struggle. Out of respect, we called him the Frontier Gandhi. He lived in a ramshackle cottage at Jalalabad, Afghanistan. Pakistan would not accept him because of his participation in India's independence movement. The communal orgy at Ahmedabad in 1969 was very much in his mind when I met him. Badshah Khan, another endearing title for him, asked me whether the victims at Ahmedabad were Muslims. I said: "Most of them." He fell silent. After a long pause, he said: "We had imagined that the Hindu-Muslim riots would end after the British left since it was their creation." Yet more poignant was his remark: "How could it happen in the land of Mahatma Gandhi?" Strange as it may sound, the rioting between Hindus and Muslims in Gujarat hurts the nation more than the riots in any other state. It is well known that the place is the most dangerous powder keg of communalism, ready to explode any time. Still Gujarat is so much associated with Gandhi in the minds of the people that every Gujarati is weighed on the scales of Gandhian values. Even after realizing that most Gujaratis hang Gandhiji's photo in their houses just for formality, without following any of his teachings, there is a faint hope that their conscience would one day prick them. That would be the time when they might realize the folly of not respecting the apostle of Hindu-Muslim unity, the greatest son of their soil. Gujarat may be the worst case. But it is a symptom, not the disease. The disease is the distance between Hindus and Muslims, still yawning even after 55 years of partition. We have adopted the most secular constitution in the world. But we have failed to cultivate the temperament required to implement even the letter, much less the spirit, of the constitution. Muslims are generally suspect and they still carry the cross of partition on their back. The Pakistanis do not realize the price that the Indian Muslims continue to pay for what was an agreed formula on the division. The terrorism, which Islamabad has been exporting to India for more than a decade, has only heightened suspicion against the Muslims and created more problems. The reason why some in India have doggedly pursued good relations between the two countries is the co-relationship between the anti-Muslim feeling and the anti-Pakistan feeling. Probably Gandhi could foresee this. He insisted on the payment of Rs. 55 crore to Pakistan, its share that India had withheld during the war on Kashmir. It was Gandhi who took up the cause of the Muslims in the country. Despite the partition, he said that the Hindus and the Muslims - he called them his two eyes - could forget their personal tragedies and past quarrels and live like brothers. The belief in pluralism was the only way to keep the different religions together, he said. Rioting would tear the fabric of common heritage they had shared for centuries. He was right, but once he disappeared from the scene, his ideas began to fade. Parochial considerations began to raise their ugly heads. What happened in Gujarat, in fact, was happening all over India after partition. The fires of communalism were raging high. The country looked like coming apart. The Hindu Mahasabha and its allies talked of a Hindu Rashtra even at that time. But people did not pay any heed to them. Gandhi was such a bright secular light that even the dark corners of communalism came to shine. What really killed communalism was his assassination. People began to hate the very idea of Hindutva which they felt was responsible for the killing of the Father of the Nation. There was an electric change in the atmosphere, from hate to understanding, from alienation to amity, and from communalism to pluralism. The fanatics were boycotted. The extremists were on the run. No party pandering to communal sentiments got any attention, either electorally or otherwise. The Jana Sangh, the predecessor of the BJP, could not even reach the double figure in the Lok Sabha elections. For more than 40 years, Gandhi's martyrdom kept communal forces at bay. Secular forces did little to consolidate the ground. Everybody took faith in secularism for granted. For a long time, it was as much fashionable to talk in secular terms, as it is now to talk Hindu chauvinism. The Hindutva forces have a long-term agenda. They lay low but went on penetrating every segment of activity and injecting the poison of communalism into them. When the Congress fell from grace through its acts of omission and commission, the Hindtuva forces were able to exploit the opportunity. They began to occupy the place the Congress had vacated. Indira Gandhi's authoritarianism and Rajiv Gandhi's naivete gave the RSS parivar a chance which they grabbed with both hands. Today we have a situation where the Centre is led by the BJP which has pronounced Hindu credentials. Once the torch-bearers of secularism, George Fernandes, Sharad Yadav and Ram Vilas Paswan, are now its allies, with eyes fixed on power, not on Gandhi's philosophy of secularism. The Congress is beginning to take a stand against communalism but its past has been so dubious that people are reluctant to trust it again. The situation is getting more tangled because some Muslim organizations have come to believe that they must unite the community to form an all-Muslim party. Such elements are playing into the hands of Hindu extremists who want to polarize the country. The Godhara train incident has done what the RSS could not have done for years. There is no other option except Gandhi's path of Hindu-Muslim unity. Secularism is the only alternative to keep the country democratic and united. The BJP, if it wants to be a party of tomorrow, has to cut off its relations with the RSS, the advice which Jayaprakash Narayan, a Gandhian, gave the party when it was part of the Janata government. But the BJP continues to be politically dependent on the RSS. It is a pity that the Centre has taken no action against the Vishwa Hindu Parishad leaders when they have openly incited people to support their communal agenda. My fear is that the government might give them some secret understanding on the acquired land around the disputed site where the Babri masjid stood before demolition. "Not to disturb the status quo" is the directive of the Supreme Court. Anything done overtly or covertly to devalue the order will be tantamount to playing with fire. Increasingly, one feels that the BJP-led government at the Centre does not have the will or firmness to fight obscurantism. Even on the communal flare-up in Guajarat, it adopted a lackadaisical attitude. The party, internally divided, cannot do anything. Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee looks a pathetic figure. He is willing to strike but he is afraid to wound. Secular forces have to assert themselves to save the country from going communal. Blinded by fundamentalism, the BJP is not seeing the writing on the wall. Muslim jihadis have destroyed Pakistan and put on the country's back the army which refuses to return to the barracks. The Hindutva 'jihadis' are out to instal in India a theocratic state. The BJP leadership cannot conceive what type of forces it will unleash. The leadership may be the first victim. But one thing is certain: India, a secular, democratic nation, will cease to exist. Playing the communal card for power is suicidal but playing it for governance is a national disaster. The writer is a freelance columnist based in New Delhi.

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<A HREF="http://www.hclinfinet.com/2002/MAR/WEEK ... rchbearers of hate[/b]</a> By Patwant Singh, Asian Age<A HREF="http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j030802.h ... nk>[b]9/11: THE TRUTH COMES OUT[/b]</a> : Israel's 9/11 connection exposed – and you read it here first! Justin Raimondo<A HREF="http://palestinechronicle.com/article.p ... ank>[b]'My Three Cents' Murder Innocent People[/b]</a> By James McIntyre for PalestineChronicel.com <A HREF="http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/mar2002- ... >[b]'Death toll in Gujarat unrest reaches 690' : Indian opposition demands dismissal of ministers[/b]</a> : The News Pk<A HREF="http://www.spectator.co.uk/article.php3 ... ank>[b]The 2,500 years’ war[/b]</a> By Julian Manyon says that the intercommunal violence in India is likely to get a lot worse, The Spectator <A HREF="http://www.workingforchange.com/article ... lank>[b]In the name of the Father[/b]</a> : America is spared religious violence, for now By Geov Parrish 4 WorkingForChange this bajranagii pol poty stupid govt., is unrelanting even after causing so much of violence/bloodshed/human suffering... mostly women and children... the sick n the old... there is so much of corruption... so much unemployment... poverty... hunger... hardly any welfare or development... but why make people suffer... ooon effin' neccessary... ...freez the stupid temple frenzy... restore peace and road to the develpment...

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<A HREF="http://www.tribuneindia.com/2002/200203 ... b]‘Rainbow children’ who add colour to life[/b]</a> By Rooma Mehra in The Tribune<A HREF="http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2002 ... estigating Godhra : What triggered the attack?[/b]</a> Officialdom has descended on Godhra to uncover the truth. Anjali Mody in The Hindu <A HREF="http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2002 ... lank>[b]Of speech and authority[/b]</a> By Pratap Bhanu Mehta in The Hindu : In these tumultuous times, where two fundamental values of a constitutional liberal democracy, the rule of law and tolerance, are at risk the Court's conviction of Arundhati Roy is sending exactly the wrong message. <A HREF="http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2002 ... [b]Ayodhya solutions[/b]</a> By Rajeev Dhavan in The Hindu. : We cannot concentrate on merely building the temple, and ignore the destroyed mosque. <A HREF="http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2002 ... ank>[b]The guilty men of Ahmedabad[/b]</a> By Harish Khare 4 The Hindu : Never before has a State Government been so guilty of siding — emotionally, politically and administratively — with the rioter as happened in Ahmedabad and the rest of Gujarat. <A HREF="http://www.telegraphindia.com/archive/1 ... >[b]VOICES FROM THE FIELD[/b]</a> BY RAMACHANDRA GUHA <A HREF="http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/meezan09.ram">Eunuchs, mortals of a lesser kind? Eunuchs in South Asia have been living on the fringes of society for ages. But many are now shaking off the 'cheap entertainment' yoke.[/b]</a> Masud Alam explores in Meezan, Beeb-e-Urdu<A HREF="http://www.hclinfinet.com/2002/MAR/WEEK ... rchbearers of hate[/b]</a> By Patwant Singh, Asian Age<A HREF="http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j030802.h ... nk>[b]9/11: THE TRUTH COMES OUT[/b]</a> : Israel's 9/11 connection exposed – and you read it here first! Justin Raimondo

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<A HREF="http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/100302/e ... ank>[b]The humbug of Mr George Fernandes[/b]</a> By Brian Cloughley The Nation Pk<A HREF="http://www.indian-express.com/ie2002031 ... lank>[b]At ground zero in Godhra[/b]</a> Saeed Naqvi in IE<A HREF="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dy ... nk>[b]Bush: Israeli Forces Should Leave[/b]</a> By Barry Schweid, AP Diplomatic Writer Thursday, March 14, 2002; 3:14 PM <A HREF="http://www.smh.com.au/news/0203/15/worl ... nk>[b]Both sides say peace mission doomed[/b]</a> By Ross Dunn, Herald Correspondent in Jerusalem and agencies in SMH<A HREF="http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/ ... [b]Ayodhya Muslims live in dread[/b]</a> By Sanjoy Majumder BBC News Online correspondent in Ayodhya <A HREF="http://www.iht.com/articles/50995.html" ... [b]America as nuclear rogue[/b]</a> : IHT/The New York Times <A HREF="http://www.buddhanet.net/bvk_study/bvk0 ... blank>[b]K on Buddha and more[/b]</a><A HREF="http://www.indian-express.com/ie2002031 ... ank>[b]Eye of the media : It wasn’t a conventional riot in Gujarat[/b]</a> By A.J. PHILIP 4 IE<A HREF="http://news.independent.co.uk/world/asi ... >[b]Hindus set to defy ban on mosque ceremony[/b]</a> By Beth Duff-Brown, AP, in Delhi in The Independent<A HREF="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh ... ank>[b]How the air marshal almost flew into a war[/b]</a> By Rahul Bedi in New Delhi 4 The Telegraph<A HREF="http://sg.news.yahoo.com/reuters/asia-9 ... >[b]Indian PM faces storm in parliament over temple[/b]</a> (Reuters)<A HREF="http://www.prospect.org/webfeatures/200 ... >[b]That's Rich: National Review's editor suggests nuking Mecca. We're not kidding. [/b]</a> prospect.org<A HREF="http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=s ... i-anti-war crowd dreams up a disloyal opposition[/b]</a> Walter Shapiro USA TODAY <A HREF="http://atimes.com/ind-pak/DC13Df01.html ... b]Vajpayee hides behind militant smokescreen[/b]</a> By Sudha Ramachandran, Asia Times<A HREF="http://asia.news.yahoo.com/020311/afp/0 ... k>[b]India braces for sectarian showdown[/b]</a> Yahoo<A HREF="http://news.independent.co.uk/world/asi ... Provincial Gujarat gripped by sectarian violence[/b]</a> By Harish Desai, AP, in Ahmedabad The Independent<A HREF="http://www.abcnews.go.com/wire/World/ap ... [b]Israeli Army Fires on Hotel Where Journalists Were Filming[/b]</a> Assault on Al-Amari Refugee Camp The Associated Press

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<A HREF="http://atimes.com/ind-pak/DC15Df04.html ... k>Hindu militants and their saffron shield[/b]</a> By Sudha Ramachandran in Asia Times<A HREF="http://www.tribuneindia.com/2002/200203 ... ank>Why did Manto go to Pakistan?[/b]</a> By R.C. Ganjoo in The Tribune... <A HREF="http://www.dailypioneer.com/secon3.asp? ... Running riot with nation's genius[/b]</a> By Sanjay K Jha in The Pioneer<A HREF="http://www.dailypioneer.com/Agenda.asp" ... k>Dance with me[/b]</a> : Almost 40 years down the line, the VHP has moved from the fringes of public attention to centrestage. For the BJP, it is payback time as the saffron fringe the party has sought to legitimise is demanding its pound of flesh. Rajeev Deshpande explores the options before Vajpayee<A HREF="http://www.hclinfinet.com/2002/MAR/WEEK ... nk>What should Muslims do now?[/b]</a> By Rafiq Zakaria in Age[.. Zakaria jii... KHud'aa jhooT hai... kHud aana

and truth is God... god was invented as an invisible omnipresent.... cop... and buffalo owner and cart pullers were usually up in arms... wondering who were superior... lol... give up all those fiction2begin with... ] <A HREF="http://www.dawoodi-bohras.com/perspecti ... k>Sufis see love and unity where theologians see superiority and separation[/b]</a> By Asghar Ali Engineer @ Pogressive Dawoodii Bohras<A HREF="http://www.indiapolicy.org/lists/india_ ... lternative media/ media debate[/b]</a> : ALTERNATIVE MEDIA URGENTLY REQUIRED FOR DALIT LIBERATION IN INDIA by HENRY THIAGARAJ @ indiapolicy.org<A HREF="http://www.tehelka.com/channels/current ... nk>'The government is obviously trying to hide something about the Godhra incident'[/b]</a> : Seasoned journalist Saeed Naqvi who went to Godhra to ferret out the causes of the conflagration first-hand, tells Shamya Dasgupta that he found far more questions than answers about who set fire to the train carriages that sparked off some of the most brutal communal violence that this country has ever seen : tehelka.com<center> <IMG SRC="http://www.dailypioneer.com/IMAGES1/agen1.jpg" </center>

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<A HREF="http://www.tehelka.com/channels/current ... B>Vajpayee braces for communal remobilisation[/b]</a> : The BJP top brass is convinced that the Ayodhya card is still the only credible plank for a full-fledged communal mobilisation, and Round II is on the anvil, says Venkat Parsa @ Tehelka<A HREF="http://www.telegraphindia.com/"TARGET=_ ... >Editorial / Parliament of fouls : Half-truths and misdirection[/b]</a> : the CoolCattaTelegraph... 17th March 2002... [look in the archives pl.]<A HREF="http://www.hclinfinet.com/2002/MAR/WEEK ... ITIHAAS : AKHILESH MITHAL : Choodaamun Jaat :[/b]</a> AgeOnSunday<A HREF="http://www.tribuneindia.com/2002/200203 ... >Following the tradition of modernity in Urdu poetry[/b]</a> By Bhupinder Aziz Parihar in The Tribune<A HREF="http://www.smh.com.au/news/0203/16/worl ... Clock's ticking as Bush redraws rules on nuclear weapons[/b]</a> : SMH<A HREF="http://www.hclinfinet.com/2002/MAR/WEEK ... nk>MIDLIFE CRISIS[/b]</a> By R. Chandiramani in AgeOnSunday... 5 Killed in Church Bombing in Paakisstaan... hey Pervez protect ur minorities... tame ur bajrangiis... looks like maaN-e-aazam she was... nah... bahu-e-aazam... just till the early last century... u could kill ur wife without any 'kHarcha' in China since she was her husband's property and on top of that... not having got a soul... being a woman... ha!!!

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<A HREF="http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2002 ... B>Crossing all limits[/b]</a> By Kalpana Sharma 4 The Eeendu [kalpana is fine but what is this sharam aa haaN?] What is more sinister this time in Gujarat is that the economic boycott call has been backed by a systematic attack on Muslim-owned businesses. [carrying hindu surname means confirming2an unjust social system... so all cow owners and qurbaans drop the ooogly sickening baggage... ] <A HREF="http://www.spacedaily.com/news/02031810 ... k>India to test Agni III missile within three months: official[/b]</a> spacedaily.com<A HREF="http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/078/m ... k>Peace activists report a surge of new support[/b]</a> By Michael Rosenwald, Globe Staff, 3/19/2002 <A HREF="http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2002 ... blank>A dangerous mix[/b]</a> By K. K. Katyal in The Eeendu<A HREF="http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2002 ... Ayodhya: what stakes do OBCs have?[/b]</a> By Kancha Ilaiah in the Eeendu <A HREF="http://www.hindustantimes.com/nonfram/1 ... ank>And the mask falls[/b]</a> By Amulya Ganguli 4 HT... chor chori se jaaye... hera pherii se na jaaye... kutte ki duum... hazaaroN saal se nargis apnii be-noorii pe rotii hai... baRii mushkill se hota hai chaman meiN deedavar paida<A HREF="http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?si ... >INTERVIEW : 'Where Was The Delay? I Restored Sanity In A Record 72 Hours'[/b]</a> : The Gujarat chief minister is unrepentant and tries to brazen it out. By RANJIT BHUSHAN in Outlookindia.com [..have a look at the picture... a picture tells what a thousand words can't... and I and my master aDVaaNii should be nominated for Nobel Peace Prize alongwith Bush and Blair...]<A HREF="http://www.hindustantimes.com/nonfram/1 ... nk>Sack Modi, ban VHP[/b]</a> By Praful Bidwai in HT<A HREF="http://www.hclinfinet.com/2002/MAR/WEEK ... blank>A hatred for all seasons[/b]</a> By Sukanta Chaudhuri in The Asian Age<A HREF="http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2002 ... ank>The RSS message from Bangalore[/b]</a> By V. Krishna Ananth in the Eeendu<A HREF="http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2002 ... ank>The agony of Gujarat[/b]</a> : Narendra Modi's Gujarat is a blueprint of the future, if the Indian state comes fully under the control of the Sangh Parivar. By K. N. Panikkar in The 'indu<A HREF="http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2002 ... Ayodhya and the law : It is unfortunate that the BJP-led Government, instead of maintaining strict neutrality... has espoused the cause of the VHP.[/b]</a> ...By P. P. Rao in the Eeendu<A HREF="http://www.hindustantimes.com/nonfram/1 ... ank>The Iron Khan[/b]</a> : As secretary general of Amnesty, it will be interesting to see how Irene Khan deals with India. By Ashim Choudhury in HT... [India awaits u Irene]<A HREF="http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2002 ... RSS-BJP rift may widen[/b]</a> By Neena Vyas in The Eeendu [what if RSS & Co banned!?! no riots and no work 4 her..

] ...drop the Vyasa2Neena...<A HREF="http://www.hindustantimes.com/nonfram/1 ... Playing out a farce?[/b]</a> By A.G. Noorani 4 HT<A HREF="http://www.hindustantimes.com/nonfram/2 ... Sentiments of an Indian Muslim[/b]</a> By Saood Usmani in Buddhadesh Times<A HREF="http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?si ... >INTERVIEW : "This Was A BJP Lab Experiment"[/b]</a> : The trustee of Gujarat Today the only Muslim newspaper in the state with a wide readership on the recent riots. OutLook<A HREF="http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/hanif20.ram">Ghosts of Sabira, Shatila haunt Sharon</a> : Efforts are on to bring to book Israeli PM General Ariel Sharon. Mohammed Hanif reconstructs the events that shook the world's conscience. The three-part story of Sabira and Shatila <A HREF="http://www.indian-express.com/columnist ... ank>Can we salvage anything from the debris in Gujarat? : Muharram arrived too soon[/b]</a> by Prof. Mushir-ul-Hasan in IE

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<A HREF="http://www.dailypioneer.com/secon2.asp? ... eflections on Gujarat Poems, painting by Roomi Mehra [/b]</a> CreativeEdge, The Pioneer [ Ah Pioneer renames Buddha Devi Rooma, aha!!! ... Roomi Naam Satya hai...]<A HREF="http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2002 ... blank>[b]A disappointing visit[/b]</a> By Kuldip Nayar in The Hindu<A HREF="http://www.hindustantimes.com/nonfram/0 ... ank>[b]The last waltz[/b]</a> By Amulya Ganguli in HT The current contortions in the BJP are due to several factors. The first is that the Mask in the PM’s chair, the fake Sardar Patel in the home minister’s office, the fake scientist in the HRD ministry, the fake socialist in defence, the fake journalist in the disinvestment ministry et al have all realised that their present days in the sun are coming to an end.<A HREF="http://www.tribuneindia.com/2002/200203 ... ]Searching for faces in the mob[/b]</a> By Rooma Mehra 4 The Tribune<A HREF="http://203.199.93.7/today/cartoon/08aprcart.htm">Laxman in TOI</a><A HREF="http://203.199.93.7/today/dub88.htm"TAR ... b]Dubyaman in TOI[/b]</a><A HREF="http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2002 ... ]Editorial de Hindu: Not enough, Mr. Prime Minister [/b]</a><A HREF="http://www.flonnet.com/fl1907/19070150. ... k>[b]Power without legitimacy[/b]</a> : The Vajpayee government makes a mockery of democracy as it clings to power without legitimacy and appeases Hindutva fascism each passing day. Frontline<A HREF="http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/mag/ ... nk>[b]When guns cease to fire[/b]</a> KALPANA SHARMA 4 The Iendu<A HREF="http://www.hinduonnet.com/stories/20020 ... nk>[b]What went wrong? — I[/b]</a> By Gail Omvedt 4 The Eendu<A HREF="http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2002 ... k>[b]Patel vs. Gandhi?[/b]</a> By Rajmohan Gandhi 4 The Hindu<A HREF="http://www.indian-express.com/full_stor ... lank>[b]On coalition course : The sheer painlessness of allying with the BJP[/b]</a> Vandita Mishra in IE<A HREF="http://www.tehelka.com/channels/current ... k>[b]Prime Minister Vajpayee: the mirror with two faces[/b]</a> Although Vajpayee may calculatedly project a soft and moderate exterior, he is an RSS man to the boot, says Zafar Agha 4 tehelka

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<A HREF="http://www.ambedkar.org/reformers/Kanch ... .htm">Here he talks to Yoginder Sikand</A> at Ambedkarland about how `Dalitisation alone can effectively challenge the threat of Brahminical fascism parading in the garb of Hindutva. <A HREF="http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2002 ... [b]Gujarat and freedom of the press[/b]</a> By Kalpana Sharma in The Buddhist<A HREF="http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2002 ... nk>[b]What went wrong? II[/b]</a> By Gail Omvedt The Eendu AMBEDKAR'S ARGUMENT against Gandhi was simple. In 1936, he had written, "You must destroy the sacredness and divinity with which caste has become invested. In the last analysis, this means you must destroy the authority of the Shastras and the Vedas... You must take the stand that Buddha took. You must take the stand which Guru Nanak took... You must have courage to tell the Hindus that what is wrong with them is their religion. the religion which has produced in them this notion of the sacredness of caste." (Ambedkar, 1979: 69). [14th April any channel which shows Dr Jabbar Patel's movie on Baba Saheb is a dalit friendly channel... win over dalits ye stupid bhainse ka tabela channels... ]<A HREF="http://abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s52848 ... alestinian officials claim 500 killed during Israel's offensive[/b]</a> ABC Australia<A HREF="http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2002 ... [b]Gujarat and the rule of law[/b]</a> The Hindu<A HREF="http://www.hinduonnet.com/stories/20020 ... ank>[b]Has communalism changed? -I[/b]</a> By Imtiaz Ahmad The Hindu Where the distinction really lies is in that majority communalism can mask itself as a `nationalist force' and can leverage state power. Minority communalism lacks this capacity. By Amrik Singh in The Buddhist<A HREF="http://www.indian-express.com/full_stor ... ank>[b]Yet, hope floats by the Sabarmati[/b]</a> By Kuldip Nayar in IE <A HREF="http://www.fpif.org/commentary/2002/020 ... lank>[b]Is India Going the Way of 1930s Germany?[/b]</a> by Arun R. Swamy March 27, 2002<A HREF="http://www.hinduonnet.com/stories/20020 ... b]Vajpayee goes to Gujarat[/b]</a> By Anjali Mody 4 The Eindu: The Prime Minister, standing shoulder-to-shoulder with Narendra Modi, underlined that he is not willing to do more than make speeches. <A HREF="http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2002 ... >[b]Needed, a law on genocide[/b]</a> By V. S. Mani. The Eindu<A HREF="http://www.indian-express.com/columnist ... ank>[b]The longest 72 hours in history[/b]</a> By Pamela Philipose in IEThere is no way anyone can tell whether Modi is a normal mortal, or just a block of igneous rock<A HREF="http://www.indian-express.com/columnist ... k>[b]Where Modi dares[/b]</a> By Arati R Jerath in IE

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Thnk you Br.tathagata for Articles on Gujarat Riots**************************************************WE ARE LOOKING FOR US CITIZEN RELATIVES OF VICTIMS OF GUJARAT MASSACAR, PREFERABLY SOMEBODY WHO HAS LOST RELATIVES.A GROUP OF CONCERNED CITIZEN ARE PLANNING TO SUE Narendra Modi IN US AND BELGIUM COURTS.THIS WILL ENVOLVE TESTIFYING AND FURNISHING DETAILS. ALL POSSIBLE HELP WILL BE MADE AVAILABLEYOU MAY CONTACT Omar Khalidi of MIT's Aga Khan Program for Islamic ArchitectureATokhalidi@mit.edu Wasalaam

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For complete reportGUJARAT CARNAGE 2002 A Report to Nation by an Independent Fact Finding Mission Dr. Kamal Mitra Chenoy, S.P.Shukla, K.S. Subramanian and Achin VanaikGo To http://www.outlookindia.com/specialfeat ... ame=chenoy& > sid=1

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<A HREF=" http://www.warresisters.org/war_without_end.htm "TARGET=_blank>Believing war to be a crime against humanity,</a> the War Resisters League, founded in 1923, advocates Gandhian nonviolence as the method for creating a democratic society free of war, racism, sexism, and human exploitation....Pacifists are often considered dreamers who can’t face reality. Yet what is the reality? The United States is the world’s only superpower, with virtually unlimited military power—yet a handful of men using relatively primitive technology destroyed the two tallest buildings in Manhattan. Who is refusing to face reality when the government tells us we will be safer if we wage wider wars and spend more on the military? They call us utopian, yet the hard political fact is that if the United States were less powerful militarily it would behave better. Only because of its great military power did it launch an illegal attack on Afghanistan. We believe in total disarmament—not arms control under which the major powers can continue to control the world’s resources and prevent needed social change. If the human race is to survive we must be able to envision a totally different future from the one toward which Bush [the retarded buffoon] now directs us. For those who believe terror can be eliminated by military power, the tragedy of Israel and the Palestinians shows otherwise. If Bush pursues that path, endless terror will be our fate, too. ~David McReynolds <A HREF=" http://www.lewrockwell.com/anderson/anderson56.html "TARGET=_blank>George Bush I: The Man Who Helped Make September 11 a Reality</a> by William L. Anderson<A HREF=" http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0237/solomon.php "TARGET=_blank>While the Ruins of the World Trade Center Smoldered,</a> the Bush Administration Launched an Assault on the Constitution: Things We Lost in the Fire by Alisa Solomon/villagevoice<A HREF=" http://www.lewrockwell.com/wallace/wallace63.html "TARGET=_blank>Natural Law and War</a> by Bob Wallace LewRockwell.com <A HREF=" http://argument.independent.co.uk/regul ... ory=332208 "TARGET=_blank>Hope lies in America's voices of dissent</a> By Fergal Keane in The Independent<A HREF=" http://commondreams.org/views02/0910-02.htm "TARGET=_blank>As Terror War Expands, Failures Multiply</a> by William D. Hartung <A HREF=" http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/09/ ... 48640.html "TARGET=_blank>Where Is He? </a>The answer to what became of the al-Qaeda leader depends on whom you ask, Craig Nelson writes from Tora Bora 4 SMH. <A HREF=" http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_62992,0005.htm "TARGET=_blank> US, India 'twin towers' of democracy:</a> Sinha Agence France-Presse [...lol. rlling on the floor kind]<A HREF=" http://newyorker.com/fact/content/?020916fa_fact "TARGET=_blank> THE WAR ON WHAT?</a> by NICHOLAS LEMANN in the NooYorker<A HREF=" http://www.workingforchange.com/article ... emid=13778 "TARGET=_blank> Terrorism, drugs, and you</a> : 'Traffickers, Terrorists & You' exhibit opens at DEA Museum<A HREF=" http://www.latimes.com/la-ed-rightsc10sep10.story "TARGET=_blank> Self-Inflicted Wounds</a> : Secret deportation hearings, U.S. citizens denied due process while in custody. These evoke memories of dictatorships and undermine the health of our democracy.

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<A HREF="http://www.outlookindia.com/specialfeat ... GET=_blank>An inquiry into the carnage in Gujarat List of Incidents and Evidence</a> By Concerned Citizens Tribunal -Gujarat 2002 /OutlookIndia.com

<A HREF="http://www.outlookindia.com/specialfeat ... GET=_blank>[color="Red Orange"]Foreign Exchange of Hate</a> : IDRF and the American Funding of Hindutva : Full text of the report © 2002, Sabrang Communications & Publishing Pvt. Ltd, Mumbai, India, and The South Asia Citizens Web, France /Outlookindia.com

<A HREF="http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story ... GET=_blank>Home truths</a> : Advani deserves the nation’s gratitude for showing the fringe elements their place : IE Edit [thousand years on children are still told vaalmicky was a dacoit... bad achchha badnaam/bad name bura... ha ha ha! welcoming such statements from such bad man is 2 give legitimacy...

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Tribute 2 Abu Baaba... check the links... [html not allowed?!? PDB MB???]
<A HREF="http://www.petitiononline.com/try2rape/ ... GET=_blank>The Godra spark</a> : PRIVATE VIEW by Abu Abraham DECCAN HERALD dated Sunday, May 5, 2002. surprised the sanghii bhangii spared Abu 4 this piece... didn't abuse him

As we read more and more about Gujarat, we begin to realise that what happened was even more horrendous than we had at first thought. This was no riot, but an organised massacre of men, women and children. And it happened with the connivance of the administration and the passive acceptance of the police. Any official who tried to do his duty was duly transferred.

So grim was the scene when Prime Minister Vajpayee visited refugee camps in Ahmedabad that he was moved to say that the country was shamed by the communal killings. But then by the time he got to Goa, he had recovered from the shock and became his old RSS self again. Gujarat happened because of Godhra, he proclaimed.

There have been many versions of what happened in Godhra, but one account that I find more credible than others appeared in Mainstream weekly. It is written by a Hindu whose entire family believes in Hindutva. This is what he says: The actual story didn't start at Godhra as is being told everywhere but it started from a place Daahod, 75 kms before the Godhra railway station. At about 5.30-6 am the train reached the Daahod railway station. These kar sevaks, after having tea at the railway stall, broke down the stall following some argument with the stall owner. The stall owner then filed an NC against the kar sevaks at the local police station about the above incident.

Then at about 7-7.15 am the train reached Godhra railway station. All the kar sevaks came out from their compartments and started to have tea at the small tea stall on the platform, which was being run by an old bearded man from the minority/Muslim community. The kar sevaks argued with this old man and then beat him up and pulled his beard. This was all planned to humiliate the old man since he was from the minority/Muslim community. These kar sevaks kept repeating the slogan, 'Mandir ka nirmaan karo, Babar ki aulad ko bahar karo' (Start building the Mandir and throw the sons of Babar/Muslims out of the country).

Hearing the chaos, the daughter (16) of the old man who was also present at the station tried to save her father from the kar sevaks. She kept pleading them to stop beating her father. The kar sevaks lifted the young girl and took her inside their compartment (S-6) and shut the door. The train started to move out of the platform of the station. The old man kept banging on the compartment doors with the plea to leave his daughter. Just before the train could move out, two stall vendors jumped into the last bogey and pulled the chain and stopped the train. These two men then came to the bogey in which the girl was and started to bang the door and requested the kar sevaks to leave the girl alone. Hearing all the developments, the people in the vicinity started to move towards the train. The boys and the mob that had now gathered near the compartment requested the kar sevaks to return the girl. But they started closing their windows. This infuriated the mob and they started pelting.

The compartments adjoining compartment S-6 on both sides contained kar sevaks of the VHP. These kar sevaks were carrying banners that had long bamboo sticks attached to them. These kar sevaks started attacking with those bamboo sticks on the mob gathered to save the girl. The crowd started to bring diesel and petrol from trucks and rickshaws standing at the garages in Signal Fadia and burnt down the compartment. They didn't bring fuel from any petrol pump as has been reported everywhere nor was this act of burning pre-planned as is being mentioned by many people but it happened all of a sudden out of sheer frustration and anger.

After hearing about this incident the members of the VHP living in that area started burning down the garages in Signal Fadia. Reliable sources have reported all this information and these facts cannot be doubted.

Prime Minister Vajpayee, speaking in Panaji used a language that reeked of Hindutva. Expounding on the tolerance of Hinduism and Hindus, he said, We (Hindus) allow you (Muslims and Christians) to worship freely, but they (minorities) do not want to live with others peacefully

Talking of Hindu tolerance, I would like to quote Swami Vivekananda (who Vajpayee has been fond of quoting in the context of Hindutva). He said, No religion on earth preaches the dignity of humanity in such a lofty strain as Hinduism, and no religion on earth treads upon the necks of the poor and the low in such a fashion as Hinduism.

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Tribute 2 Abu Baaba... check the links...

...15th December... MoaDii bajarangii pol pot resign... INC forms the secular Govt.,... MoaDii wud even be worse than Govindachaarya... of chaal charitra and chehara fame... nah mukha'ota fame...lol... loosing election Monster Modi wud loose his fnal balance... lol... his crimes catch up with him... ur 'aaTaNkwaad' boogie failed in Ooopii, lampaTs finishing 3rd... lol... a 3rd of static vote share 4 a decade gone down a phiphth... lol... Gobar chhaaps wud even be ousted from most civic bodies as well...

<A HREF="http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.p ... GET=_blank>[color="Red Orange"]Advani points at Pak, asks world to 'ostracise terror states'</a> the whole effin' woorld scared of sanghiis... dubya and bulldozer their western counterparts...

<A HREF="http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/mp/2 ... GET=_blank>Abu's abode</a> : Like Abu's writings and drawings, his home too has a lot of space and light.

<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/guruforum/vaik ... GET=_blank>One God, many parivars</a> : Abu Abraham in HT

<A HREF="http://www.ercwilcom.net/~indowindow/sa ... GET=_blank>Hindutva’s foreign tie-up in the 1930s</a>: archival evidence By Marzia Casolari

<A HREF="http://www.ercwilcom.net/~indowindow/sa ... GET=_blank>[color="Red Orange"]Towards a Hindu nation</a> by KN Panikkar

<A HREF="http://www.ercwilcom.net/~indowindow/sa ... GET=_blank>[color="Red Orange"]Hindutva Institutions in Education</a> : The spreading network of RSS By Venkitesh Ramakrishnan

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