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Re: "Royal" Family

Unread postby level_headed on Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:53 am

GM - this long history about the duats has been copied from one of porus's post. I am sorry to say that it is highly flawed.
This brings us to the 24th Dai, Yusuf Najmuddin. He was the first Dai of India following the shift of Daawat from Yemen to India. From then on, Dais came from different families until the 45th Dai, Tayyib Zainuddin.

From 34th Dai Syedna Ismail Badruddin to Syedna Abde Ali Saifuddin the 43rd Dai ( a total of 10 duats) plus the 46th Dai Syedna Mohammed Badruddin - a total of 11 duats from one family
They are the 3rd family of duats
From Syedna Mohammed Ezzuddin and Syedna Tayeb Zainuddin till the 52nd Dai Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin - we have a total of 8 duats - this is the 4th family of duats

Learn from history - duats have chosen their successors from their family as well as from outside the family. But rest assured they have always chosen the best and most deserving. Aa waat to mumineen na gala ma etli jaldi ane sidhi utri jaaye chhe pan tame munafiqeen ne history dekhaarva baad bhi samjhan nahi parey
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Re: "Royal" Family

Unread postby level_headed on Mon Sep 10, 2012 2:58 am

I forgot to add another family of 3 duats - Syedna Dawood bin Qutubshah 27th dai and his 2 sons - Syedna Abdul Tayeb Zakiuddin 29th Dai and 32nd Dai Syedna Qutbuddin Shaheed

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Re: "Royal" Family

Unread postby accountability on Mon Sep 10, 2012 11:57 am

In addition to above, Muffadal Bhai Saheb was married to one of the daughters of Mazoon Saheb, and she was divorced, after that Muffadal Bhai Saheb married Shehzada Yusuf Najmuddin's daughter. If I am right one of Muffadal Bhai Saheb's son is married to mazoon saheb's daughter.
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Re: "Royal" Family

Unread postby porus on Mon Sep 10, 2012 3:47 pm

accountability wrote:In addition to above, Muffadal Bhai Saheb was married to one of the daughters of Mazoon Saheb, and she was divorced, after that Muffadal Bhai Saheb married Shehzada Yusuf Najmuddin's daughter.


Actually, Mufaddal Saheb's first marriage was to the daughter of YN. His second marriage was with the daughter of Mazoon. It was this second marriage that was dissolved.

There was no love lost between YN and Mazoon who were both STS's sons but they were half-brothers. YN was the son of STS's favorite wife, Fatima, while Mazoon is the son of Amena.

Apparently, Mazoon had understood that he would succeed to the post of Dai as the 53rd Dai. He even made an announcement to that effect in Nairobi. This was not received kindly by powers in Saifi Mahal, most notably by YN, his children and associates. The suspicion is that the latter leaked Mazoon's secret liaison with Bollywood actresses Mumtaz and Nafisa Ali to Gujarati newspapers. This permanently destroyed Mazoon's chances ever to become the Dai. YN and his henchmen lost no time in concluding that Mufaddal Saheb would be the next Dai and solidified their hold on Saifi Mahal by getting YN's daughter married to him. For some time, Mazoon was not given 'raza' to lead prayers or perform waez in Bombay. To save his face he spent some time with his children in the United States.

All Mazoon's daughters, grand-daughters of I-Saheba Amena, inherited latter's beauty. Mufaddal Saheb was smitten by one of them and got married to her. However, machinations of YN's family including Mufaddal Mola's first wife, YN's daughter, lost no time in conspiring to wreck this marriage. Mufaddal Saheb duly divorced her.

You will have read GM's contribution to this forum where he has mentioned that Mufaddal Saheb's son married the sister of Mufaddal Saheb's divorced wife. Thus Mufaddal Saheb's divorced second wife is the step-mother of his son and mother-in-law of her own sister!

Bahen bhi kabhi saas thi!!

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Re: "Royal" Family

Unread postby anajmi on Mon Sep 10, 2012 4:16 pm

I am wondering, how stupid would the abdes have to be to have been duped by a bunch of inbred "Royal" family members!!
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Re: "Royal" Family

Unread postby pheonix on Tue Sep 11, 2012 1:09 am

anajmi wrote:I am wondering, how stupid would the abdes have to be to have been duped by a bunch of inbred "Royal" family members!!

I am wondering, how stupid a person can be to be duped by a local illiterate wahabi mulla.

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Re: "Royal" Family

Unread postby humanbeing on Tue Sep 11, 2012 1:15 am

pheonix wrote:There has never been any attempt to revise the dogma to elevate Qasr -e -ali upto the level of Ahle bait.


Not literally ofcourse ! But its matter of time.

Can you explain the hikmat behind sons and relatives of sayedna sahib allowing kadambosi, ziyafat, kadam etc which is exchanged for plum considerations.

When Malekul Ashtar presided over muharram waaez in Kuwait, he enjoyed the paparazzi of euphoric crowd yelling out to him “maula maula” a chaotic scene similar to that in presence of sayedna sahib. Why did he allow that ?

What divinity or status do sons and relatives of sayedna sahib hold without their reference in bohra religious books ?

During Ramadan, the sabak orators (Sheikh Ehsaan / one dude educated from Pune / Amil Dawood bhai saab) made tall and loud claims of divinity of sayedna sahib and mufaddal Bhaisaab. In their zeal tehy went on to say :

If one takes the water of all the oceans as ink and all the trees to make the pens (kalam), they would still fall short of writing the Shanaat of Sayedna saaheb.

The aakherat and shafaat (salvation) lays under the palms of sayedna sahib.

Sayedna Saheb is the Zaamin (guranteer) of heaven; Ketlaa ne jannat muki ne aavi gayaa and khabar pan kari didi. Eva shanaat n ache apna maula


And then subtly; they pass such expression of divinity to deputy dai mufaddal bhai saab.

Lets not be so innocent. We all know, how kothar has mastered the art of brainwashing bohras.
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Re: "Royal" Family

Unread postby progticide on Tue Sep 11, 2012 1:46 am

porus wrote:Apparently, Mazoon had understood that he would succeed to the post of Dai as the 53rd Dai. He even made an announcement to that effect in Nairobi. This was not received kindly by powers in Saifi Mahal, most notably by YN, his children and associates. The suspicion is that the latter leaked Mazoon's secret liaison with Bollywood actresses Mumtaz and Nafisa Ali to Gujarati newspapers. This permanently destroyed Mazoon's chances ever to become the Dai. YN and his henchmen lost no time in concluding that Mufaddal Saheb would be the next Dai and solidified their hold on Saifi Mahal by getting YN's daughter married to him. For some time, Mazoon was not given 'raza' to lead prayers or perform waez in Bombay. To save his face he spent some time with his children in the United States.


Prof. Poo (Porus)

So much insight into the so-called conspiracies and politics in the royal family I guess is possible only if you are either of the two i.e. 1. Member of the Royal Family or 2. Shaitaan laeen.

Since the first option is ruled out because your parents were nowhere related to the royal family (your father was an ordinary cleric from whom you inherited most of the fatimi literature, and probably you didn't have much respect for him aswell and that is the reason why you changed your name, because you didn't want to be associated with his legacy, isn't it?), the only other option left is that you are Shaitaan Laeen.

Or else how is it possible that you are privy to so much information that even die-hard DBs are not aware of. After all we DBs are so stupid, as some other Shaitaan-worshipper has mentioned above.

Bingo, my hypothesis has been proven correct once more. Prof. Poo (porus) is indeed Shaitaan Laeen.

In case you still have doubts about you being the reincarnate of Shaitaan, let me suggest a Litmus Test. One of the characteristics by which to identify Shaitaan is that Shaitaan lures people towards "Ghibat". And what you have been doing above and elsewhere on this forum is nothing but "Ghibat". That too about people who have died long ago.

Hurray, it's celebration time at Reformist Club. Prof. Poo (Porus) has been identified as the Shaitaan Laeen himself. He finally gets to wear the Crown of Laanats.

Let me be the first one to felicitate you on this occasion: May the choicest curse of Allah be on you.
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Re: "Royal" Family

Unread postby mnoorani on Tue Sep 11, 2012 2:03 am

Muffy Mola ni bahar aavi sacchhhai
Royal Family ,hai hai
YN ni hotel, Wah re wah
anokho che emno jamai.
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Re: "Royal" Family

Unread postby pheonix on Tue Sep 11, 2012 5:03 am

humanbeing wrote:
pheonix wrote:There has never been any attempt to revise the dogma to elevate Qasr -e -ali upto the level of Ahle bait.


Not literally ofcourse ! But its matter of time.

Can you explain the hikmat behind sons and relatives of sayedna sahib allowing kadambosi, ziyafat, kadam etc which is exchanged for plum considerations.

When Malekul Ashtar presided over muharram waaez in Kuwait, he enjoyed the paparazzi of euphoric crowd yelling out to him “maula maula” a chaotic scene similar to that in presence of sayedna sahib. Why did he allow that ?

What divinity or status do sons and relatives of sayedna sahib hold without their reference in bohra religious books ?

During Ramadan, the sabak orators (Sheikh Ehsaan / one dude educated from Pune / Amil Dawood bhai saab) made tall and loud claims of divinity of sayedna sahib and mufaddal Bhaisaab. In their zeal tehy went on to say :

If one takes the water of all the oceans as ink and all the trees to make the pens (kalam), they would still fall short of writing the Shanaat of Sayedna saaheb.

The aakherat and shafaat (salvation) lays under the palms of sayedna sahib.

Sayedna Saheb is the Zaamin (guranteer) of heaven; Ketlaa ne jannat muki ne aavi gayaa and khabar pan kari didi. Eva shanaat n ache apna maula


And then subtly; they pass such expression of divinity to deputy dai mufaddal bhai saab.

Lets not be so innocent. We all know, how kothar has mastered the art of brainwashing bohras.

The above statements are not exaggeration rather expressions of truth(the bohra truth). This is the official Ismaili Dogma. You are welcome not to believe in it. As far as sons of the Syedna are concerned they enjoy no special status other than the ones who are the hudoods of Dawat. These do enjoy special status as mentioned in the books of dawat.

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Re: "Royal" Family

Unread postby think on Tue Sep 11, 2012 12:34 pm

I think the truth has set progicide free. He in his statements is full of hatred. Calling one shaitan is to recognize ones self as being one of them in order to recognize the other like himself.
Let truth be said and if possible a small booklet should be printed in english, urdu and gujrati and distributed freely just to let the blind followers know where they stand when they shout"moula moula".
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Re: "Royal" Family

Unread postby Kaka Akela on Tue Sep 11, 2012 3:12 pm

Wasn't it Tolstoy who said," Even the most allegedly divine of families are unhappy in their own ways". So we see it so obvious in our own Royal"divine " family.
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Re: "Royal" Family

Unread postby ghulam muhammed on Tue Sep 11, 2012 5:00 pm

progticide wrote:One of the characteristics by which to identify Shaitaan is that Shaitaan lures people towards "Ghibat". And what you have been doing above and elsewhere on this forum is nothing but "Ghibat". That too about people who have died long ago.

There is a vast difference between "Ghibat" and "Creating an Awareness". One would try to find out flaws when someone creates awareness as it raises many questions which are very uncomfortable and for which there are no real logical answers.

As per your logic, creating a sense of awareness with regard to various atrocities commited on muslims by modi and his attempts at covering his misdeeds would mean doing "Ghibat" of Modi or exposing the 2G scam and the recent Coalgate scam would amount to "Ghibat" of Congress party. Thank God, there are people who dont view things from their limited perspectives which suits their own agenda or else the culprits would forever go scotfree and victims of corruption and murders would never get justice !
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Re: "Royal" Family

Unread postby accountability on Tue Sep 11, 2012 10:09 pm

Leo Tolstoy also said " “Freethinkers are those who are willing to use their minds without prejudice and without fearing to understand things that clash with their own customs, privileges, or beliefs. This state of mind is not common, but it is essential for right thinking...”
― Leo Tolstoy
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Re: "Royal" Family

Unread postby accountability on Tue Sep 11, 2012 10:23 pm

divinity: according to oxford dictionary divinity is "The godhead; God. Used with the.
b. A deity, such as a god or goddess.
3. Godlike character.
4. Theology.
5. A soft white candy, usually containing nuts."
about our royal family, let us rule out No 5, they are not "nuts".
But are they, "The Godhead or God, or A diety such as god or goddess, or Godlike character, No they are not.
But they use theology to make themselves divine.
One of the contributor rightly said, that these feeble and aged personalities are not dawat. he is indeed right, dawat is above them. Dai is because of dawat. Dawat has created Dai, not the other way around. This is what we have been trying to get home, that there is no god on earth, if there is no god then there is no divinity.
All are human, human is to err and yes all humans have to die. true and simple. Did I drive the point home.
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Re: "Royal" Family

Unread postby Fateh on Wed Sep 12, 2012 12:57 am

accountability wrote:divinity: according to oxford dictionary divinity is "The godhead; God. Used with the.
b. A deity, such as a god or goddess.
3. Godlike character.
4. Theology.
5. A soft white candy, usually containing nuts."
about our royal family, let us rule out No 5, they are not "nuts".
But are they, "The Godhead or God, or A diety such as god or goddess, or Godlike character, No they are not.
But they use theology to make themselves divine.
One of the contributor rightly said, that these feeble and aged personalities are not dawat. he is indeed right, dawat is above them. Dai is because of dawat. Dawat has created Dai, not the other way around. This is what we have been trying to get home, that there is no god on earth, if there is no god then there is no divinity.
All are human, human is to err and yes all humans have to die. true and simple. Did I drive the point home.


In my pov every human have ability to be a divine by birth.But it depends how he develop it in himself.Every human is god creation & so also in Islam no one is greater than another.What do you say about kabirji,guru nanak,sant shree surdas,Mansoor,zahid are they all not divine?
ADAM KO KHUDA MAT KAHO ADAM KHUDA NAHI HAI
LEKIN KHUDA KE NOOR SE ADAM JUDA NAHI HAI
In the era of any of our Imam or Nabi there might be divine personality present like Budh bhagavan,Mahavir& so many.I also agree with you
One of the contributor rightly said, that these feeble and aged personalities are not dawat. he is indeed right, dawat is above them. Dai is because of dawat. Dawat has created Dai, not the other way around. This is what we have been trying to get home

Dai is only our guru ,his duty is only to guide us how to follow Islam correctly ,that's it nothing more
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Re: "Royal" Family

Unread postby progticide on Wed Sep 12, 2012 2:19 am

Fateh wrote:[quoteADAM KO KHUDA MAT KAHO ADAM KHUDA NAHI HAI
LEKIN KHUDA KE NOOR SE ADAM JUDA NAHI HAI[/color]


The above just shows what a bunch of perverts and manipulators reformist and their sympathisers are. Distorting words, phrases, quotes and even religious history to misguide gullible and vulnerable section of society into believing your false and nefarious agenda.

You moron, which person in history ever called Adam as Khuda. Can you find me any recognised work which relates any tradition or incident when Adam was referred to as Khuda. Then what made you manipulate the above couplet other than the fact that you & the reformist of today and others like you previously and even today have been manipulating and distorting and rephrasing history and literature for the last 1400 years to suit your henious and corrupt objectives. The above distortion is just a minor example of what is happening on this forum and outside.


The reformist today are no different from the Umayyads and Abbasids who distorted islamic history to serve their vested interest. The attempt above by Shaitaan like Prof. Poo(Porus) and his associates to rewrite false and malignful and derogatory history of Duat Mutlaqeen and their private lives is nothing but the same criminal and shameful and despicable act as was perpetrated by their Umayyad and Abbasid Masters centuries ago. Your attempt today is just the same as the attempts by the Umayyads to malign the personality and character of Imam Hasan (A.S.) with false accusations and shameful allegations about his private and public life so as to justify their usurping of the right to Caliphate from the Ahle bayt. If Prof. Poo (Porus) and his associates think that the DBs dont understand their cunning actions and their objectives behind writing threads on the private lives of Duat Mutlaqeen then you are utterly mistaken. The moment you started this thread, your corrupt and evil intentions were clear to the DBs. Prof. Poo (Porus), you may not have anything elegant or respectful to write about your late father or grandfather, who I am sure you dont think off with much respect and honour, but that does not mean you get the liberty to take out your frustration about your petty family legacy by writing derogatory remarks and making falseful accusations and concocting fanciful history about revered religious personalities. You may not have much hair left on your head, but don't you have any shame and concious left in you aswell. The DBs will look at you the same way as all the Shias look at the Umayyads. Your father didn't leave you with any great legacy, but your comparison with the Umayyads and Abbasids is the legacy that you would leave for your offspring.


And to the idiot who wrote the couplet in the post above, the original couplet was written w.r.t. Ali and not Adam.
"Ali ko khuda mat kaho, Ali khuda nahi,
Lekin khuda ke noor se Ali juda nahi".
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Re: "Royal" Family

Unread postby mnoorani on Wed Sep 12, 2012 3:17 am

Mr. Progticide,
I totally agree with you. Why should the private lives of the Dai and his family should be discussed over here?
You are correct. The shaitaans of our age just want to create Fitnat.
Why do the progressive care if Our Holy Mazuun Saahab has been linked with Mumtaz and Nafisa Ali ? There was also a picture of Nafisa Ali and Holy mazun Saahab in the swimming pool , published in a magazine. Both these ladies are Muslims. Holy Mazun Saahab has made them paak with his affair. But these proggies will not understand. So what if the second wife of the late Mukasir was a Jew. Prophet Mohammed also had a jewish wife. But these proggies just want to make fun. YN was the brother of the Dai and the father in law of the next dai, YN and his brother owned the Ambassador Hotel in Bombay and there is Alcohol Bar there. SO What ! It was with the knowledge and raza Mubarak of the HH our Dai. But these proggies do not understand. They will compare it with the drinking sessions of the Umayyads. So what if Sakina Bain Saheba died in mysterious circumstances and much of her life has been kept secret. Proggies should understand that as a woman her life was secret from outsiders.
Majority of the bohris do not know the grave of the Holy dai's mother ,but they know the grave of his wife.
Prophet Mohammed said that paradise lies under the feet of your mother. But it does not apply to the dai. This is why The dai's mother (Husaina Ben Saheba) is buried in Surat ,out in the open. With no shade. However Amtulalla Aisaheba is buried unde a roof in London Sharif. These proggies do not know that the Dai is haqiqi kaaba himself.
Then there was anothrr idiot bhaisaaheb (zahir Batin) who published the animosity witin the royal family. Proggies fail to understand that all royal families have jealousy. They have forgotten that Imam Hassan was poisoned by his own wife.
Holy dai know everything.This is why he is the rich dai of the rich people. This is why he does not know about the hospital in Mumbra. Mumbra is for poor bohras and they will soon leave the fold. Holy dai is ghayb na jaankaar. This is why poor mumins have to suffer and there is sawaab in suffering. Holy dai left in police car during bombay riots so that poor mumins can be injured and killed and get more sawaab. He did not allow the sawaab to be had by his own family. This is our selfless Dai. Muffy Mola just spent RS 30 lakhs as government fees to kill a lion. People are wondering at the poor bohras of Ahmedabad and Mumbra, etc. But people do not know that Muffy Mola is also a future Dai. This way we can tell people that our future dai has expensive habits . Let the poor bohras suffer, let them beg, let them go hungry, let their limbs be amputated, let them be without medicines. Let their girls turn to prostitution, like proved in Mumbai and Indore. The poor in bohra are a waste. We need only rich and super rich so that Malek Ul ashter could fly to USA every week on Business class, Waah Su Shaan a mola ane su shanaat na ehena shahzaada. These stupid proggies will compare the luxuries of our shahzaadas with the luxuries of the ummayads. They forget that the ummayyads were also rulers and the family of dai is also rulers. Why should they live like mola Ali ? When they have the money, they can live off better than the umayyads .This is to show the world that our mola has a durbaar better than than yazeed LA. Imama HASNAIN used to host lunch at their home for all. They would stand at the gate and invite passers by offer food. But our mola is of unique shaan. He allows us , the common mumin to invite him to our hose at a fee of course. This way he and his family gives us the sharaf of Ziayafats.With just one ziyafat, a mumin spends enough to feed 1000s mumins. But then the poor do not deserve charity as that was the sole job of the Imams. Our dai family is for the subjugation of us mumins who have sinned .
TRUE MUMINS PLEASE PRESS LIKE.

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Re: "Royal" Family

Unread postby Muslim First on Wed Sep 12, 2012 6:33 am

Porgie wrote
Ali ko khuda mat kaho, Ali khuda nahi,
Lekin khuda ke noor se Ali juda nahi".


For your info, Original couplet was;

Adam ko khuda mat kaho, Adam khuda nahi,
Lekin khuda ke noor se Adam juda nahi".

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Re: "Royal" Family

Unread postby Fateh on Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:48 am

progticide wrote:
Fateh wrote:[quoteADAM KO KHUDA MAT KAHO ADAM KHUDA NAHI HAI
LEKIN KHUDA KE NOOR SE ADAM JUDA NAHI HAI[/color]


The above just shows what a bunch of perverts and manipulators reformist and their sympathisers are. Distorting words, phrases, quotes and even religious history to misguide gullible and vulnerable section of society into believing your false and nefarious agenda.

You moron, which person in history ever called Adam as Khuda. Can you find me any recognised work which relates any tradition or incident when Adam was referred to as Khuda. Then what made you manipulate the above couplet other than the fact that you & the reformist of today and others like you previously and even today have been manipulating and distorting and rephrasing history and literature for the last 1400 years to suit your henious and corrupt objectives. The above distortion is just a minor example of what is happening on this forum and outside.


The reformist today are no different from the Umayyads and Abbasids who distorted islamic history to serve their vested interest. The attempt above by Shaitaan like Prof. Poo(Porus) and his associates to rewrite false and malignful and derogatory history of Duat Mutlaqeen and their private lives is nothing but the same criminal and shameful and despicable act as was perpetrated by their Umayyad and Abbasid Masters centuries ago. Your attempt today is just the same as the attempts by the Umayyads to malign the personality and character of Imam Hasan (A.S.) with false accusations and shameful allegations about his private and public life so as to justify their usurping of the right to Caliphate from the Ahle bayt. If Prof. Poo (Porus) and his associates think that the DBs dont understand their cunning actions and their objectives behind writing threads on the private lives of Duat Mutlaqeen then you are utterly mistaken. The moment you started this thread, your corrupt and evil intentions were clear to the DBs. Prof. Poo (Porus), you may not have anything elegant or respectful to write about your late father or grandfather, who I am sure you dont think off with much respect and honour, but that does not mean you get the liberty to take out your frustration about your petty family legacy by writing derogatory remarks and making falseful accusations and concocting fanciful history about revered religious personalities. You may not have much hair left on your head, but don't you have any shame and concious left in you aswell. The DBs will look at you the same way as all the Shias look at the Umayyads. Your father didn't leave you with any great legacy, but your comparison with the Umayyads and Abbasids is the legacy that you would leave for your offspring.


And to the idiot who wrote the couplet in the post above, the original couplet was written w.r.t. Ali and not Adam.
"Ali ko khuda mat kaho, Ali khuda nahi,
Lekin khuda ke noor se Ali juda nahi".


Bhai progicide,
Original share is
ADAM KO KHUDA MAT KAHO ADAM KHUDA NAHI HAI
LEKIN KHUDA KE NOOR SE ADAM JUDA NAHI HAI
which was written by shaikh Adam Abuwala who was very famous poet,gazalkar from Ahemdabad.He was Dawoodi Bohara & also a shaikh & bhai for your kind info here Adam is used for any human being not for NAbi Adam .
i do not manipulating and distorting and rephrasing history and literature to suit my any kind of objectives..But may i asked you one question have you heard any divine personality hunted lion for hobby by wasting of his followers money in history of 1400 years?Who are destroying Islamic culture?
I just change the word Adam & put ALI & My intension is only to say that Ali is noor e khuda because i love ALI &HE WAS SHARE E KHUDA WITH OUT HUNTING A SINGLE LION.

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Re: "Royal" Family

Unread postby bohraji on Wed Sep 12, 2012 9:46 am

@ Fateh Bhai,
Shaikh Adam Abuwala was not a shaikh. In fact he was quite modern in his views.
His first name was Shaikh Adam. His sister and other family members still live in Jamalpur , Ahmedabad. A lot of his books that he owned have been donated to the university by sister ( Batul Bain ). He was a bachelor but the rest of the family members are there in Ahmedabad.

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Re: "Royal" Family

Unread postby Fateh on Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:06 am

bohraji wrote:@ Fateh Bhai,
Shaikh Adam Abuwala was not a shaikh. In fact he was quite modern in his views.
His first name was Shaikh Adam. His sister and other family members still live in Jamalpur , Ahmedabad. A lot of his books that he owned have been donated to the university by sister ( Batul Bain ). He was a bachelor but the rest of the family members are there in Ahmedabad.


Thanks Boharaji,yes he was indeed a great gazalkar of his time.I know about him very well ,very famous gazal singer pankaj udhas had sung many gazals of him.I will post If i get one of his gazal which is my all time favorite gazal Phari e j rangili ramat adam thi shekhadam sudhi.
Gandhi tu ketlo sasto thay gayo ,gadi sudhi pohachavano rasto thai gayo
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Re: "Royal" Family

Unread postby Humsafar on Wed Sep 12, 2012 11:02 am

Oh, it's so good to see Pesticide writhing in righteous indignation.!!! :)

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Re: "Royal" Family

Unread postby humanbeing on Wed Sep 12, 2012 2:25 pm

Fateh

Well done !!

Its entertaining to see Colorful dance of Disgust !
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Re: "Royal" Family

Unread postby porus on Wed Sep 12, 2012 2:33 pm

The most important member of Qasr-e-Aali is of course Sayedna Muhammad Burhanuddin, the 52nd Dai. He was married once only to Lady Amatullah who died in London and is buried in the Husaini Masjid in Alperton. Kothar wanted to bury Amatullah I-Saheba and build her mausoleum in the then unfinished Husaini Masjid. On their own, they could not get the Government permission to bury her there. Hence they approached Gulamhussein Noon, a progressive and wealthy Bohra residing in London to use his influence to obtain the permission, which he did. Mr Noon has since been elevated to the British House of Lords.

Lady Amatullah bore Sayedna seven sons and three daughters.

Sons (Eldest to youngest) are:

1. Qaaid Johar Izzuddin

He is in charge of overall administration of Daawat, a role he inherited from YN. He had apparently expressed disinclination from succeeding to the Daiship, although as an eldest son, he could have been a candidate. So much for the Hidden Imam appointing the Dai!

2. Malik al-Ashtar Shujauddin

He is considered an intellectual light-weight. He has reputation for living it up, going to bed at 3 or 4 am and not getting up before 11 am or noon, thus missing Fajr prayers. He invariably arrives late for appointment, even for Namaaz and Waez. He is known to indulge in both self-glorification and glorification of the Dai for an unwarranted long time. When her sister Sakina died, he once made mumineen cry for an hour because he kept saying that Dai was extremely distressed at his daughter's death.

3. Mufaddal Saifuddin (Mansoos, he will be the 53rd Dai)

He likes to hunt lions. There is an abode in Serengeti which was used as a 'backdrop' in the Disney movie 'Lion King'. Let us wish the lions well. Serengeti and other National Parks are the last outposts for large cats and other wildlife. Black Rhino is almost extinct in the Ngorongoro Crater. You would have to drive for days to spot one. Hunting for pleasure of this wealth adds to the wilful disturbance of fine eco-balance that nature has created after millions of years of natural evolution.

4. Huzefa Mohiyuddin (Recently Deceased)

He was in charge of 'daras' and appointment of Aamils. He is famous for sending a message, shortly after his death, from Heaven to Mufaddal Saheb stating that he has been received by Panjatan Pak.

5. Idris Badruddin

6. Qusai Vajihuddin

7. Ammar Jamaluddin

Daughters (Eldest to youngest) are:

1. Husaina

2. Batool. I am not sure but her husband, Moiz, is Sayedna's personal doctor and does not leave his side as far as possible.

3. Sakina (deceased). She died from cancer.

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Re: "Royal" Family

Unread postby Maqbool on Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:31 am

pheonix wrote:As far as sons of the Syedna are concerned they enjoy no special status other than the ones who are the hudoods of Dawat. These do enjoy special status as mentioned in the books of dawat.


Will you please clarify the followings?
1) Can you elaborate who are hudoods as per dawat books?
2) What are the duties of sahzadas as hudoods -other then enjoying jiyafat, presiding daris against fat money envelops?
3) Can be any one else learned personality of our community be hudood and yes then how many such hudoods are at prestent?

Hope you will answer these with out any abuse.
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Re: "Royal" Family

Unread postby pheonix on Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:00 am

Maqbool wrote:
pheonix wrote:As far as sons of the Syedna are concerned they enjoy no special status other than the ones who are the hudoods of Dawat. These do enjoy special status as mentioned in the books of dawat.


Will you please clarify the followings?
1) Can you elaborate who are hudoods as per dawat books?
2) What are the duties of sahzadas as hudoods -other then enjoying jiyafat, presiding daris against fat money envelops?
3) Can be any one else learned personality of our community be hudood and yes then how many such hudoods are at prestent?

Hope you will answer these with out any abuse.

I cannot answer 1 and 3, for that you have to attend sabaks. The answer to second is that different hudoods have different functions. One of the functions is dissemination of knowledge, and dawoodi bohras know who they are.
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Re: "Royal" Family

Unread postby progticide on Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:15 am

Prof. Poo (Porus),
While you are busy concocting false history and reports about DB personalities, I have been investing some time in reasearch aswell. And my recent find has really thrown up some interesting observation....

You actually happen to share a part of your name with two other infamous reformists characters of your generation. Now, don't tell me you didn't know about this yourself?

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Re: "Royal" Family

Unread postby progticide on Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:24 am

pheonix wrote:I cannot answer 1 and 3, for that you have to attend sabaks. The answer to second is that different hudoods have different functions. One of the functions is dissemination of knowledge, and dawoodi bohras know who they are.


Well said Phoenix.

And to just add to what Phoenix has said, the list of Hudoods is pretty elaborate in hierarchical order specifying the distinct responsibility, function and rank of each one of them. For example, Syedi Sadiq ali sahab who is famous for penning some very popular nasihats recited even today, ranked 11 in the hierarchical order at one time.
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Re: "Royal" Family

Unread postby mnoorani on Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:28 am

Zulfiqar yahaan padhaara
progticide ne ishaara aava
Gandh pehlaavi forum aevi
YN yeh daru pehlavi jevi
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