sabotage kothar with mass protest and boycotts

[Al Fateh]

salaam,

I know most bohris are spineless and will hardly do some thing for himself and his family pride, but any ways here are few tips to fight against kothar.

1 cut all kind of financial aids to kothar, do not out any money in gallas or contribute in different chandaas.

2 ask question, even if they try to shut you up, keep asking questions in different occasions untill you get your answers

3 do not fear devri, visit devri more often and ask your amil what is he doing and most importantly why?

4 protest openly and raise your voice when ever any momeen is mistreated by any goonda

5 talk more about ahlul bayt and Quraan

6 encourage your self, your family and friends to read Quraan with translation

7 avoid chamcha giri to your amil

8 read namaz in masjid

9 stop looking moron with jungly beard and fancy topi

10 dress smart,talk smart and most important bring up your kids in smart way.

May ALLAH help true Momeenin AMEEN.

ps- Eid ul Adha Mubarak, make sure kothar dont scarify you every day.

[Aftaab]

bump

[Aftaab]

every abde should frame these quotes and read it every day.....

[Aftaab]

this thread deserves a bump in month of Muharram.

now I am taking off from posting any thing here, looking at community in this condition is really depressing for me, and it is more depressing how educated people cant see truth and are getting in shirk and destroying rich heritage of their grandparents.

any ways I will visit this website some times, just to see if some hope comes back to this community.

Salam.

[incredible]

Biggest blow to kothar can be stopping of financial aid to them, just cut money supply to them and then see how they start dancing.

[Mkenya]

I HAVE POSTED THIS ON ANOTHER THREAD BUT ITS INSERTION HERE IS MORE TO THE POINT:

A casual review of recent posts on almost all topics underlines the fact that this forum has devolved into a debate between The 'believers' and the 'non-believers'. There is a constant debate between the two groups. The consensus is that it is wishful thinking and no long-term
changes will ever be seen, at least in our lives. Kothar has entrenched itself so well in all aspects of Bohra lives. And it is continuing to tighten the noose. Nowhere in the annals of Bohra history has it ever been made mandatory to attend Muharram waez. Bohras attended waez on their own accord. They went to listen to 'autha', 'shia's significance', 'sacrifice of Panjatan Paak and Imams', etc. There were always something new that one learnt or an previous item that was expanded. That was then and now is now and it is so different. Attendees are now bored to such an extent by being constantly bombarded about frivolous 'achievements', crocodie tears from the occupier of the takht, choreographed maatam, etc. No wonder attendance has dropped and continues to drop. In East Africa Kothar through its henchmen went from door to door of Bohra businessmen and made them sign commitments to close their shops from 10am to 2pm every day. To furher enforce the rule Jamaat cards were scanned on entry and exit for verification. There are several things which are wrong with this. First, it should be very obvious to the Waezeen and his ayyans that in the real world to keep places of business of business for 10-12 days would in long term mean loosing customers and profits. Would not Kothar understand that the Wajebaat and other dues are derived and earned from the very businesses. If thaose businesses were somehow curtailed to specific hours then the obvious result would be a shortfall in cash, not only for the business-owner but by extention to the Kothar. But would Kothat listen to any such argument. Does any member of Kothat know what it takes to eek out a living in the business world where competition is severe and margins are getting slimmer. No one in Kothar knows the basic ABC of business. If they did it would be reasonable and switch the waeez times from late afternoons into evenings. It will be a win-win situation. Never in the annals of recent of whatever history have I, or anyone else, know of a meeting, symposium, waeez, majlis, etc. where attendance is enforced to an extent that it has been by Kothar. I am a single voice but I suspect and hope there are many like mine out there who would concur with me. Yet, the ones who suffer most have not even raised a squeek. Why should we go to bat for them. Kothar is a on a good pitch, their eyes are set, and they can play the whole field; Bohras on the field just run everywhere to be at their beck and call. Theoretical tactics will never work for the subdued and downtrodden. The only fire that will set them alight will be imposition more and more Wajebaat, dues, and salaams. There will be a time when Bohras will revolt on the burden of such extortion. But will they revolt! Wishful thinking.

[think]

the same as it was with moses trying to get slavery out of the tribes of israel. He took them out of the clasp of firon but theystill did not know the joys of freedom. they were happy to go back and eat the stale bread of firon. the same situation with the abdes.

[incredible]

I dont understand why they have to force people?

if their bayan has any truth and DUM, people should come willingly, why people wont close shop for Hussain(s)?

people dont come not because they dont want to hear waez, but because they are sick and tired of self glorification from kotharis.

[alam]

salaam,

1 cut all kind of financial aids to kothar, do not out any money in gallas or contribute in different chandaas.

2 ask question, even if they try to shut you up, keep asking questions in different occasions untill you get your answers

3 do not fear devri, visit devri more often and ask your amil what is he doing and most importantly why?

4 protest openly and raise your voice when ever any momeen is mistreated by any goonda

5 talk more about ahlul bayt and Quraan

6 encourage your self, your family and friends to read Quraan with translation

7 avoid chamcha giri to your amil

8 read namaz in masjid

May ALLAH help true Momeenin AMEEN.

The above tips are good to keep in mind.
ALSO
Be aware that Demonizing your Opponents, can do more harm than good.
It doesn't matter how valid your point and arguments are.
Demonizing your opponents, using foul language and character assassination only serves the opponent, provokes more fuel to the fire. Worst, it defeats the purpose, Hurts the very essence of the cause for change

[alam]

I dont understand why they have to force people?.[/color][/b]

By scanning e-jamaat cards, and pressuring people to close shop, shut down school, and so on, THESE are all part and parcel of the Cult practice - just like training for the ARMY, THE military. Wear the uniform (dari, topi, rida), engage in boot camp training, practice obedience, blind followership. SHud down your mind, shut down your brain, your shop, even your family and your marriage, give up everything.
Train Train, Train - for the marathon. Once you start obeying the small things, and do it often enough (simple thing like getting your ITS card scanned at every mikaat), then its easy to get poeple to obey with bigger things. These are the dangerous, UNETHICAL, manipulations engaged by the bureaucracy of Dawat - E- Hadiya the Corporation.

That's how our our very spirituality and faith has been hijacked by these harmful practices. When we pray to Allah, or pray Yaseen, or attend a majlis or do gum-e imam- e husain, The PUBLIC show of it, the so-called illusion of accountability (for example, by e-jamaat scanning) completely compromises the honesty of my faith-driven actions.

SO peoples, mumins, stop and take a pause before allowing your faith to be hijacked, at every moment of your mumin life.

That is why resistence at every step of the way, Resistance in a POWERFUL way, as suggested in the opening of this thread (the 8 or so tips offered by Fateh) is a sure FIRM step that each and every mumin can take, by their own actions.
Resistance also implies not doing tit for tat, an eye for an eye.

[Humsafar]

Train Train, Train - for the marathon. Once you start obeying the small things, and do it often enough (simple thing like getting your ITS card scanned at every mikaat), then its easy to get poeple to obey with bigger things. These are the dangerous, UNETHICAL, manipulations engaged by the bureaucracy of Dawat - E- Hadiya the Corporation.

Thank you alam for your post. What you point out above is very important for people to realise. This is how minds are enslaved, with obedience to little things. Today the Bohra mind is completely subjugated from long years of repeated compliance to an illegitimate authority and its unreasonable demands. Their refusal to resist has completely paralysed them morally and intellectually. They now have no capacity for resistance. This is how Germans were brainwashed and domesticated by the Nazis, and ended up being complicit in a great crime. The Bohras too are guilty of allowing a ruthless mafia cult to rob them of their faith and their money. Each time they refuse to resist they are participating in a crime. Their conscience maybe dead now, but this will not be a good enough reason on the day of judgement. Then their beloved Aqa Moula will drop them like a hot potato. In fact he himself will be squarely in the dock pleading for mercy.

[seeker110]

The Germans used powerful drugs and medicines for control, religion is used by mullaji and party to prey on the weakest.

[humanbeing]

Apart from oppressing for its own greed and power, Kothar is smartly facilitating / pampering the abdes with convenient faith to latch on to. Creating rituals out of thin air and attaching monetory value in proportion to depth of faith.

There are out of the box rituals elevated to fantastic levels of faith and worship, such as kadambosi, kadam, ziyafats, deedar ! etc. Abdes find it convenient to stand outside chit-chat and gossip about whereabouts of “Maula”. Considering it as struggle for sawaab !

Apart from addictive rituals, what abdes are provided is vacationing spots in guide of mausoleums (dargah) and urus and other events. Adding to that, Fakhera Jaman is a major attraction !

People want convenient faith, easy sin forgiveness and promise to eternal comfort (heaven). Not only abdes, in fact its human natures to look for these conveniences and upon this vulnerabilities, opportunist like kothar or other ‘dhongi babas’ create their empire and enslave these fools who look for insurances in these conveniences.

Many a times, I have come across abdes, when approached to genuinely sponsor someone’s education or Medical Bill, ( who would pray from heart) they would shy away/refuse, and will jump to donate funds to kothar and get kicked and shoved same time. I m amazed at stupidity of such abdes !

These abdes consider exotic resort like dargah as major achievements of “maula” not realizing that these exotic resort dargaahs are their front-end revenue source with absolute monopoly and guaranteed tourism from abdes !

Kothar needs to built and provide facilities to keep abdes enchanted with their make-believe world ! at the same time create more revenue streams ! Even kothar wants some aim and ambition in life to secure their coming generation’s prosperity !

Also, abdes are becoming inclusive cult, exclusively for rich and wealthy. Rich Abdes favor kothar and kothar favors rich abdes ! these compliments each others needs. Rich needs convenient faith, they have money to dispose to buy titles, forgive sins and supposedly book heavent plots ! apart from such supposedly spirituals possessions, they benefit commercially by getting financial assistance to support their business, wherein shehzada and amils become sleeping partners and enjoying barakat of profit earned thereof.

There are many examples I have come across, where a genuine middleclass start-up entrepreneur has run pillar to post to obtain seed capital from qardan hasana and he was given meagre amount after months as muwasat, citing unexplained bureaucracy or lack of faith in business idea.. and these business idea were from ‘Raza’ of Maula ! There are homeless bohra who are seekin interest free loan to buy house, kothar demands exorbitant gold deposits and these bohra shiver knowing that once given to kothar, it as good as gone ! At the same time, I know bigshots businessmen get millions at a phone call to amils and shehzaada to pump capital in their business.

[incredible]

^ all your points are genuine, every bohra knows this well, but I am amazed yet none is ready to digest truth.

[KM1]

^ all your points are genuine, every bohra knows this well, but I am amazed yet none is ready to digest truth.

Because Bohra s are smart and knows their benefit and profitability because they all know without Mola they are nothing and only with is dua this barakat is there.

we all prospering and today our small community is vv well placed in the society its just because of is leadership and guidance.

Even a father and sons have differences but they dont involve outside people they always sort in the family. So whatever our problems and issues we have we should always solve it internally in a peaceful way because our identity is WE ARE PEACE LOVING COMMUNITY like parsis

[think]

we are greedy to the extent that we sell our souls. we do "moula, moula" just so we can make more moola. we do all this so we can get rich but do not realize that it is Allah that gives. "moula, moula" has brainwashed you so he can tell you "more la, more la"

[alam]

. So whatever our problems and issues we have we should always solve it internally in a peaceful way because our identity is WE ARE PEACE LOVING COMMUNITY like parsis

This is a cliche and a Myth that Bohras are a PEACE LOVING COMMUNITY for the following reasons:

ONE: Peace comes in a community where voices of dissent are not silenced.

TWO: Peace comes in a community where the governing structure does not engage in making a dushman or munaafiq out of every Tom Dick and Harry who expresses a complaint about the way things are run, where excommunication and social boycott, or violence is perpetrated against the complainants.

As a collective entity and the official party line,, it's a "Us Against Them" mentality.

[SBM]

^ all your points are genuine, every bohra knows this well, but I am amazed yet none is ready to digest truth.

Because Bohra s are smart and knows their benefit and profitability because they all know without Mola they are nothing and only with is dua this barakat is there.

we all prospering and today our small community is vv well placed in the society its just because of is leadership and guidance.

Even a father and sons have differences but they dont involve outside people they always sort in the family. So whatever our problems and issues we have we should always solve it internally in a peaceful way because our identity is WE ARE PEACE LOVING COMMUNITY like parsis

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Really
Then how come Syedna had to apologize after creating riots in Mumbai, what happened to Bohras in Udaipur Masjid and any comments on digging out the dead and throwing them on the street like Adamji Peerbhai's family, If this is what you called Peace Loving people

[ghulam muhammed]

WE ARE PEACE LOVING COMMUNITY like parsis

Just two examples of Taher Saifuddin Maula :-

1) After the humiliating defeat in the Chandabhoy Galla Case, Taher Saifuddin Maula went to Surat but he managed a murderous attack on Ebrahimji Adamji Peerbhoy and when Ebrahinji was admitted in Cama Hospital he sent flowers and wished him well as a childhood friend.

2) When Amtullah bai, the daughter-in-law of Sir Adamji died on 12th July 1930, Taher Saifuddin Maula refused her burial in the Bohra Kabrastan at Charni Road, then her body was buried in the nearby plot behind Sir Adamji Peerbhoy Sanatorium owned by Sir Adamji's family. Taher Saifuddin Maula sent four Bohra fanatics in the dead of night who dug her grave and threw the naked body on the footpath in front of the Sanatorium. Bombay Samachar wrote a front page Editorial with the photograph of the body lying on the footpath. Morarji Desai who was the Home Minister of Bombay Province then was first person to see it. So he moved a motion in the assembly for prevention of excommunication stating that "Bohra Mullaji's powers are "Monstrous" (Shaitanic).


Three examples of Burhanuddin Maula:-

1) In June 1966 he went to Karachi and sent his men to kill Mulla Abbas Aurangabadi who entred in his house, tied him with a chair and burnt him alive by pouring petrol on his body in broad day light. Mulla Abass died in the Karachi's Civil Hospital next day after giving his dying declaration naming Burhanuddin Maula and his brother Yusuf Najmuddin as conspirators.

2) On 1st March 1973 the innocent women of Udaipur were molested and dishonoured in his presence. They were shouting Maula Bachao, Maula Bachao" but he kept smiling. That resulted in the mass revolt against Burhanuddin Maula in Udaipur.

3) Burhanuddin Maula traveled from Indore to Mumbai in the same air-craft in which Asghar Ali Engineer had boarded from Bhopal after addressing a Police workshop on communal harmony. One Amil Husain Bhai Saheb was abusing Mr. Engineer throughout the journey but Burhanuddin Maula said nothing. When he arrived at Mumbai airport he got down from the air-craft on wheel chair surrounded by his strongmen. But after he came out, he told the Bohras waiting at airport that “Maloon” Engineer pushed him while getting down. Then the agitated crowd threw stones at Asghar Ali Engineer and beat him up. The airport police was surprised, as reported in the newspapers that in a place like airport how the Bohras managed to gather so many stones.

Thereafter Burhanuddin Maula's goon ransacked Asghar Ali's locked house and office and threw his books on the road. Again as per newspapers report one Police inspector from Santacruz Police station was quoted as saying "These Bohras have thrown out the copies of Quran too. Is Mr. Engineer's Quran different then dharmguru's Quran?

[seeker110]

I do not need Mola ni Dua . For all I care if it works so well he can give me baddua. I fear no one but Allah. So stop telling me and others about all this Dua bull. Thanks but I have no need of any help from a man who cannot even go to the bathroom by himself. Last of all he does not need any money. He has no place to go. Please , do not make him treasurer of Allahs blessings and gifts.

[humanbeing]

I have no need of any help from a man who cannot even go to the bathroom by himself.

Out of respect for the old and infirm, do not use such words ! anyone, regardless of their deeds can be into such situation !

[seeker110]

Dear sir, do not ask me to separate deed and age in this matter. A murderer does not become saint because he ages. You sir have no idea of my age. Is there a chance I could be older in age than your age respected Dai. Allah has created me a free man, I am not held down with customs of Dunya and man. I think and shoot straight, disregarding age and status. If you are looking for bed-side manners and eloquence just read Br. Humsafar and few other writers with panache.

Instead of calling me Wasamra in Nanakwara, they should have roughed me up or killed me. Now they have no idea what to do. They are aware of name and nature. You sir enjoy your compromised life. I wish you peace.

[KM1]

@ seeker110

I can understand from your language and your words how frustrated and lonely you are.

Something is really wrong with you we all pray your mental illness get well soon

I really feel pity on you may god bless you

[seeker110]

I need a second opinion? I should pay a pro for diagnoses and case study. The reason for my words and language is the time I spent in Universities in my student life. They wanted me to work for a package (degree) with which I can lock myself in a certain profession ( B.E in my case).I had other ideas of my own, I just wanted to learn something, ( skill, art science ). I had a hell of a time bugging those nerd friends.

Brother, I dont have the time to be lonely. I always find something to do. I am seldom idle. I am thankful for all the days given to me.I am thankful for rain, snow, sleet or sun foggy windy or plain nasty. Doesn't matter, I have things to do. I sleep when I am worn out. People think I am lazy , because I only do paid work for about 6 to 8 days in a month. I have been debt free from an early age. I live a simple life. Money will just get me some more stuff. Stuff increases your burden. I travel light. So, I can go further. Recently I gave up hiking , for it was too slow, now I pedal a bike, its much faster. It was 23C in the morning, today. I still got the chance to ride in my favorite bike trail. It is serene , beautiful, calm and peaceful. I love how nature smells in clean air. I watch curious little creatures, checking out intruders ( curious,nosy). Eagles flying high and mighty, looking for snacks. Water flowing in little brooks and streams.Work on Chirstmas lights in afternoon,

I have read some of your comments, also. I sincerely think you should join me or do something similar yourself. It will make you healthy and strong. However, you should get a second opinion, I am not the person who understands human bodies or brain functions. Thanks for your concern, my learned brother. salams.

[humanbeing]

Kothar is way too powerful to be opposed openly. Although they are brainwashing the abdes into believing legal systems to be evil, but they themselves are building contact politically to enforce their presence.

Be it organized or unorganized, revolting openly or through legal channels is going to harm life and limb of the whhistleblower and his family. Common man cannot afford to risk life or resources for others. Life is a struggle in many other areas. Commoners have lots to worry, where kothar got no other ‘kaamm-dhanda’ other then protect their interest.

Best way to defend oneself or discourage kothar is to rebel silently and subtly. One has to reform themselves first and then spread the word around giving courage to others. This works more effectively. Crook opponent like kothar needs an invisible rebellion. They can be frustrated with their own theories and policies.

All worlds are imperfect, we cannot achieve perfection. Lets not get paranoid with atrocities of kothar, they are unacceptable, agreed ! but there are bigger monsters lurking in the world. Kothar is manageable !

[Ozdundee]

Sorry my friend HB...but I will bash your comment..I hope you excuse me

Wtf is wrong with us that we are so stupidly timid ...what the heck are we fearing ...death, pain, humiliation ?

When I was younger ...there was a sayings let the river turn red...every year beat our chest and honor Karbala ...but when we are facing oppression in a similar fashion ..we chicken out..."have su thase"

Where are our man...we are fighting the easy way ..seating behind a silly internet and anonymously typing comments

The number of men and women that make big convoluted comments ...why are they not on the streets and making the Zada's lives a living hell.

Walk the talk...at least PDB from Udiapur are in the kothars face ! What are the rest doing, enjoying the jamwanu

In the years I have been on this site , I would really question if these slaves really want freedom...are they happy to be slaves , the slaves don't need our help...so are we wasting our time

[alam]

People are on a continuum, as I have explained elsewhere. They are at different stages of discontent, silent suffering, inner jihad, expression of resistance by words and action, and finally a whole community like you mention udaipur.

It is absolutely shortsighted to argue the benefit of one against the other.

It takes a village to move a resistance. People have to start somewhere, and yes, it cannot happen without Courage at every step of the way. It takes 5 fingers to hold something.

Fellas, we got to work together, not alienate one another or worse still, set your standards so high to scare the timid. On the other hand, you also got to start with some courage, and do your part in your words, action. You can't just sit and moan and groan all the time, - ultimately it is Your Own Actions of resistance that will empower you and help make changes or get the revolution rolling.

[Ozdundee]

Alambhai I would totally agree with you if this was the 80s and the pioneers of reforms just started their mission but since the nineties ...the reform movement has crept like a snail

So I get really pissed with reading this old armchair comments ...yes they are right to express their opinion how to reform , but if that is the majority of reformist view good luck ...well I am at the wrong platform ...I want the fast train or want to change my transport....there are other modes of travel like air or sea the seamen are also offering I can be useful in their trip...some are offering me direct access to the bridge in 3 months and seem to know where they are going, is safe and has been like that for 1400 years

and I might do the same soon tired of using the train for 40 years...get the jist

What has happened is our youth got distracted ...

Let me use the fireplace analogy

At times a fire gets lit and we hope for an explosion of revolt ...but then our own timid reformist in self interest to look so called "civilised" and seeking glory as "bhanela" will put out the fire and fizzle out.

Sometimes the fire gets a bit further and the so called reformists don't join in or he she is lost in in decisiveness...and the fire dies of lack of oxygen, literally one ends up as a lone warrior.... I have noticed this now quite regular.

Am not surprised our enemy has picked on it and patiently waits for one of the 2 above to occur before ever getting worried.

It is funnily of a miracle that Kothar has been able to herd us the same timid genetic stamped Gujarati wyepari comm while reformists look more astray....if we don't change then blame ourselves and this blog will be a recycle commentary social site outlasting facelessbook ...

Next time I will be harsher in self criticism...anything that will lit the fire of revolt...anyone has better idea

[humanbeing]

Ozdundee

I understand your frustration, and I hopefully believe you are a front row fighter against oppression and injustice. You are imposing your ideas on others of how to revolt ! whereas I m promoting idea of revolt in every possible manner by every possible person.


What you typed in your post is itself a fine example of what you are doing !

seating behind a silly internet and anonymously typing comments

I believe, that every word of reason and logic I type or speak is awakening a soul somewhere. I rather not get paranoid looking at the imperfect world and loose my mind. World is going to remain imperfect, I just care to improvise myself and move on from this world when time comes.


Don’t take my words personally please ! debating for a good discussion !

[Bohra spring]

HB...if you knew OzD like I in the few interactions he is not at all the armchair reformist..,