Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

[voice]

Syedna Qutbuddin TUS official statement in response to Shz Mufaddal Bhaisaheb bayaan on 4 Rabiul Aakhar, 1435H (4 Feb, 2014)
Press Release: 7 February 2014

Statement from the Office of Syedna Khuzaima Qutbuddin Saheb TUS, 53rd Dai al-Mutlaq of the Dawoodi Bohra Community

After the sad and tragic demise of our Beloved and revered Moula, Syedna Mohammad Burhanuddin Saheb RA, 52nd Dai al-Mutlaq of the Dawoodi Bohra Community, Syedna Qutbuddin Saheb TUS revealed that Syedna Burhanuddin Saheb RA had anointed him as his successor on the 10th of December 1965, when he also anointed him as Mazoon, the spiritual position second only to the Dai.

However, Shehzada Mufaddal bhaisaheb (second son of Syedna Burhanuddin Saheb RA), his brothers and other family members, took advantage of a severe debilitating stroke that affected Syedna Burhanuddin Saheb RA following his 100th birthday in London. They immediately and unilaterally made the untenable and false claim that Syedna Burhanuddin Saheb RA in that condition had appointed Shehzada Mufaddal bhaisaheb as his successor.

Syedna Qutbuddin Saheb TUS, in accordance with Syedna Burhanuddin Saheb’s RA wishes, revealed that he was the chosen successor immediately after Syedna Burhanuddin’s RA sad demise. In his first day in office, Syedna Qutbuddin Saheb TUS offered to engage in a debate on the subject with Shehzada Mufaddal bhaisaheb. The offer was ignored.

On the other hand, Shehzada Mufaddal bhaisaheb, his brothers and families responded with abuse, intimidation and even violence. For nearly three weeks following Syedna Burhanuddin Saheb’s RA sad demise, Shehzada Mufaddal bhaisaheb presided over daily gatherings in Saifee Masjid ostensibly in remembrance of Syedna Burhanuddin Saheb RA, which however degenerated into hate-sessions where Shehzada Mufaddal bhaisaheb’s brothers and others were encouraged to pronounce curses (laanat) and abuse on Syedna Qutbuddin Saheb TUS, and his followers. At the same time they sought to force and coerce members of our community to swear allegiance to Shehzada Mufaddal bhaisaheb and sign declarations including signing on blank sheets of paper. In addition, Syedna Qutbuddin Saheb TUS’s followers were threatened and even women were assaulted by ‘Jehadi’ groups of the Burhani Guards. It is very sad and unfortunate that such measures have been adopted in our god-fearing and peace loving community. This is tearing at the very fabric of our faith and threatens to destroy the legacy of our Dai’s including Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin Saheb RA.

On the 4th of February, Shehzada Mufaddal bhaisaheb, obviously reacting to the backlash and revulsion these actions aroused in the community, suddenly made a reconciliatory gesture towards Syedna Qutbuddin Saheb TUS. He asked his brothers and uncles to approach Syedna Qutbuddin Saheb TUS and extend a message to him. At the behest of Shehzada Mufaddal bhaisaheb, his elder brother Shehzada Qaid Johar bhaisaheb called Syedna Qutbuddin Saheb’s TUS office for an appointment, which he later rescinded.

Syedna Qutbuddin Saheb TUS emphasises that he is at peace, and wishes the same for his community. He reiterates that the doors of forgiveness are always open for those who have resorted to defamatory practices out of fear and want to sincerely repent.

Syedna Qutbuddin Saheb TUS states that his assertion of being the 53rd Dai al-Mutlaq is one based on truth (Haq) and principle. Any offers of settlement of any form or kind from Shehzada Mufaddal bhaisaheb or his agents are outright rejected. Syedna Qutbuddin Saheb TUS demands that a public apology be issued by Shehzada Mufaddal bhaisaheb and others involved in this exercise of the basest form of defamation and slander.

Syedna Qutbuddin Saheb’s TUS primary and sole concern is for the spiritual and temporal well being of the Dawoodi Bohra community. His mission (Dawat) is to guide the community, as his predecessor Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin Saheb RA did, on the true path (Siratul Mustakeem) of a spiritual and moral life that leads to salvation (Najaat) in the hereafter (Aakherat)
http://fatemidawat.com/press/

[white_pigeon]

Awesome response by SKQ.
Makes SMB look really foolish.

[voice]

After the Syedna Qutbuddin TUS official statement in response to Shz Mufaddal Bhaisaheb bayaan on 4 Rabiul Aakhar, 1435H (4 Feb, 2014), again out of frustration messages of "lanat" and dawat no dushman, official Baraat etc are in circulation.

[white_pigeon]

After the Syedna Qutbuddin TUS official statement in response to Shz Mufaddal Bhaisaheb bayaan on 4 Rabiul Aakhar, 1435H (4 Feb, 2014), again out of frustration messages of "lanat" and dawat no dushman, official Baraat etc are in circulation.

The Doomed Titanic sails left, right and centre without any proper sense of direction.

Hearing that thousands of passengers also have jumped off this sinking ship of future towards SKQ camp from all around the world.

Its about time SMB realises that very soon.

[salsabeel]

I have heard so many people saying their hearts are with KQ and yet they are afraid to show their allegiance to him! they fear the repurcussions and their safety. muffy and his brood have definitely achieved the dictatorship they so cherish, and it is sad to see that even when people are offered a chance to get out of the mud, they would rather remain in it. I hope the court battle will give the people the push they need, coz muffy is going to turn out a laughing stock there. I have friends who have recently left dawat to pursue other religions, as they saw a lack of fear for allah , and all they saw was fear of aamil, fear of bieng publicly insulted, fear of the color of their chitthi, and i could go on. I truly believe KQ will bring back ibaadat solely for the sake of Allah, sincerity, integrity, and transparency to dawat. when I saw him holding up the Quran in his hand and taking Qasam about the nass, and on the other hand saw QJ beating his chest and proclaiming what he is saying is right, it reminded me of what had happened 1400 years ago, what choice would i have given myself then, the popular one or, the right one. the choice was clear, even tho along the way I would incur many laanats, maybe even from my own family..

[lionplayer]

Asalaam, meri beti ka birthday mazun moula ka birthday same date hai 3rd of april..and iam very happy ke kuch toh hai in my daughter destiny..my family members told me to araz in sms group to change the birth date..i said no jo allah a paak ne bheja is duniya mein meri beti ko wohi date mere liye khushnasibi hai..allah a paak har mushkil ne aasan kare mazun moula ni..aameen

[Bigger]

See and reflect

[lionplayer]

There are lots of poor bohras family in surat and all over india they need
help why sms group ko yeh nazar nai aata..in surat many families are struggling for their life aur widout any guidance wrong galat raste par chalte hai..in bohras agar apke pass setting hai in kothar u will enjoy orelese u will cry to death.

[lionplayer]

In surat they are lot of khidmat guzars jo pehle cycle mein ghumte the aur ab builder hai jab khairu bhaisaheb ka raaj chalta tha in surat..sab paise ke bhuke hai in ths daawat of sms..this daawat is all about money and influence..allah ke guneghar hai woh sab log jinhone poor bohras ka dil dukhaya hoga..in kothar politics hai hoga aur rahega.

[lionplayer]

Politics influence corrupt hai kothar.

[lionplayer]

My father died before 10 years..and
iam only 1 man show meri shaadi ke din nazdik aaye and I trust in daawat at tht time ke help milengi..maine arzi bheji through anjuman e saifee surat and listen bhaiyo..maine arzee mein likha tha ke iam the only one in my family and my mom is vidwa and I want help frm moula plz help me..mein service karta hon and my salary is 3000 at tht time in 2009 plz help me moula,i want to marry but no money plz inayat in a name of allah..guess what they inayat me 2500 only..and frm tht time I understood ke sab politics hai islam ko badnaam kar rahe hai yeh kothar ke pupils.

[lionplayer]

My mother took help of
goverment..in goverment they give some sort of money to widow..but mujhe ek hi nafrat thi ke moula kaha the kaha gaye jab ek mumin meri tarah musibat mein tha..through my family members support I survive..when every month we are paying sabil then daawat ka farz banta hai to help mere jaise person ko..but in daawat if u have money and influence daawat will help u..daawat mein jiska setting ho wohi lakhpati hota hai.

[hsnhussain]

daawat me jo lakhpati ho usika setting hota hai

[lionplayer]

Many prostitutes females bohris are there in surat why???yeh baat daawat ko bhi pata hai.. Kuy help nahi kiya un logo ko..why?bcoz sab faltu log kothar mein hai jo khud sex ke racket mein fase hue hai..

[Akhtiar Wahid]

Some abde of Muffadal has done a great mischief on Wikipedia and intentionally is trying to divide the community, the verdict is still not clear that who is the Dai, its too early to predict and nominate a new sub sect derived from Dawoodi bohras, We have to patiently wait and see what is going to happen and than only we can judge who is what, they are trying to defame the motive of both Khuzema Qutbuddin Saheb and progressive dawoodi bohras by linking them with each other.

So i would like to request someone who can put up a page on Wikipedia about Muffadali Bohras linking them up with baba ramdev and Modi and describing their atrocities on Dawoodi Bohra mumineenen and bringing up matter of Chana Bhai Galla case and how they lost, how they are supporting anti islamic activities, describing the allegiance of Yusuf Najmuddin son of Syedna Taher Saifuddin (RA) and his sons Syedul Khair and Badrul Jamali.

[Sceptical]

Instead of writing a non sense "Mufadali Bohra" article, you can support the deletion of this crappy Qutbi bohra article here :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... utbi_Bohra

[ghulam muhammed]

In surat they are lot of khidmat guzars jo pehle cycle mein ghumte the aur ab builder hai jab khairu bhaisaheb ka raaj chalta tha in surat..sab paise ke bhuke hai in ths daawat of sms..this daawat is all about money and influence..allah ke guneghar hai woh sab log jinhone poor bohras ka dil dukhaya hoga..in kothar politics hai hoga aur rahega.

One such glaring example is of Badri Lacewalla who is considered to be extremely close to Muffy, his extra marital affairs are the talk of the town !!

[notruthinreligion]

Hi Al Zulfiqar.
Such good reading this. As a kid I used to be proud of being a Dahodi Bohra. I had muslim (Shia/Sunni) friends my age and they and their families were always astounded by my fluency with the Suras and ayats of the Quraan, practise of rozas, hygeine, etc. The innocence of youth, the constant drilling in the masjid and the God forsaken company of fellow bohras made me completely oblivious to the loot and extortion that was really going on in the community. I would argue for the kothar whenever friends/family would protest any taxes or salaams. I would perform all kinds of 'khidmat' to the masjid in the pretext of maula ni mohabbat.
With passing time and more exposure to the internet, I got to see more and more of the tyrannic and dictatorial practices. I realized that all though I could read the Quran and recite memorised Suras and Duas, I really knew nothing about what my religion asked of me. When I heard the current mansoos in his bayaan for the first time, I knew that this could not be a man of truth. It was evident that he had no knowledge (forget wisdom), humility, honesty, truth to support himself. One could feel a constant promotional barrage of his activities and I would ask myself what is he trying to prove!
The way SMB was treated before his death, I really wouldn't curse my worst enemy to receive that treatment at the hands of his own son. The Mansoos just wanted to win the peoples' support, show them that the Dai was with him. SMB may have physically died only a month ago but his spirit had been long dead. How could thousands of people not have sympathy for a dying old man who was being tied to a chair and paraded about for the sake of publicity?
Now the more important questions pertaining to religion itself. Every religion preaches a set of virtues. The good will take you to Heaven and the bad to hell. All of us know of prominent religious/spiritual leaders involved the greasiest of sins. From forgery to prostitution to murder, these guys have everything on their resume. So where does that put religion and God? Surely, if there was a God that all religions claim to be, the Creator and the Destroyer, the Alpha and the Omega, he would step up at some point and say 'enough is enough, I wont let innocent people (and Im referring to the honest and the faithful) suffer due to a few men's greed!'
My sincere belief is that God as a concept was a figment of one man's imagination. Ages ago (and I'm talking about early men-prehistoric times) when early men first started living in groups and establishing small communities, the concept of God was coined to establish a sense of fear amongst wrong doers. With passing time, man being the most intelligent being on the planet, realized that fear means power and power brings money. As such, there was diversification and new religions started to flourish. Off course the newer ones were more refined to attract more attention and to get more people to practice the same. Most, if not all advocate the profit/loss system, that i.e do good and go to heaven and do bad and rot in hell. But why cant good be without expecting a return? Why cant service be to all living beings and nature as a whole? Why is prayer more important than kindness? There is a fundamental voice within all of us that tells us what is right and wrong all the time; why does religion override that voice?
I keep fluctuating between an agnostic and an atheist from time to time, but I do hope that there is a God. He's asleep or maybe He's just busy creating other worlds, but sooner rather than later I hope he realizes that the world he created is not what he meant it to be. Perhaps most of what I have written here is out of context, but I just couldn't stop expressing myself. Perhaps God will punish me for not having faith in His existence, I'm willing to take that punishment now and dont need to wait until my afterlife. Maybe all of us should start bullying him into taking some action. I also realize that most of us will advocate starting a change within because that's where God is, but isn't he also within these terrorists then in the same measure?
I guess then, it is not a choice between SMS and SKQ or DB and Hinduism and Christianity or any other religious community for that matter. Its simply about right and wrong. Leave God and religion out of the picture for a minute and think about what you can do to be a better human being.

thanks for reading!

QL,

thanks for your compliments.

yes, i am a man of action and i live by my principles and guts, but lets not forget that i have been very fortunate to be in that happy circumstance where i have carefully and very deliberately reduced (and even completely cut in certain instances), my ties with the bohra jamaat. whether it is business wise, socialising, religious need or slavish adherence to the whole regime of obtaining raza for everything. i stay in a western country where i personally have no close relations, my wife does though, but we couldnt care less about them as they are all mindless fanatics, i have a world-view outlook and am not dependent on the bohra jamaat for anything,

but it is also wrong to paint all those who cannot leave as being cowards and spineless hypocrites. i have personally seen many a family wanting desperately to break away, but held back because of a myriad factors: familial ties, business network which is closely intertwined with bohra traders, wives and mothers fearful of getting their daughters married, staying in a congested bohra locality and unable to move out due to lack of funds, old parents in frail health who will have to be buried soon, deep in financial trouble, and too caught up in personal and emotional turmoil to act on breaking away. it is but natural that one empathises with such folks who are trapped. no matter how hard one tries, one cannot bring oneself to hate them.

where it really gets my goat though, is where affluent well-educated bohras, who have all the right conditions to rebel and show spine, who should be aware that the darn amil and his henchmen need them and will hate to see their coffers deprived of such bohras' contributions, yet they do nothing to help the cause of reform. they will not speak up, will take pride in saying that 'hamein to varas ma be chaar vaqat aj jaiye chhe'. these people are well-connected in the corridors of power, move in elite social circles and yet kow tow to these kothari brigands.

those who talk a lot against the corrupt clergy, abuse them, ridicule them and show off their bravado - 'arey me to amil ne aam kidhu, ne olu kidhu', and then do not take any assertive/postive action are COWARDS and with their constant whining have become bitter cynics and nothing else. often i find myself in the midst of such garrulous harpies, all yapping away, showering the choicest gaali-galoch on the 'establishment', each taking pride in passing more shocking remarks than the other. i look on amusedly, and after all their bhadaas has died down, ask a very simpe and non-aggressive question, 'so what do you intend to do about it?' this is usually immediately followed by a very pregnant and prolonged silence, punctuated only by heavy sighs of resignation and pathos. the silence is only broken by some very brave soul who finally confesses, as if tacitly on everyone's behalf - 'bhai su karsu'. it goes without saying, then why sit around king arthur's round table and waste one's time and energy, a lot of sound and fury signifying nothing?

i have realised that the more one attempts to argue with die-hard abdes, the more they will reject you and hate you. the barriers in their ears, eyes and brains seal shut and all that they now perceive is an insult to themselves and their long held beliefs. the best example to them of courage is when you walk away, and show contempt for their slavish adherence to all these ridiculous and exploitative systems designed to turn them into worse than animals, if you can demonstrate in practical terms that you can live without all these suffocating restrictions, then the majority are aghast at your dare devilry. of course some quickly conclude that you are either stark raving mad or destined for hell! as if i cared for their opinions.

i am also asked mundane but also very practical questions by some - 'bachhao ni shadi kem karavso? pachi nikah nu su? koi guzri jaase to? tamne majlis karavi hase to? nava ghar ma darees nai karavo?' its hilarious, but at the same time so very pathetic that one feels sorry to realise how restricted they have become in their thinking. i have found ingenious and creative ways of avoiding all the wolves, predators and blood-thirsty vampires who would suck my blood, and still fulfill my religious needs if i want to.

i have met many supremely pious human beings, muslims, christians etc... of all stripes and faiths, who actually did not subscribe to any traditional, orthodox religious methodology, did not attend masjid, church or gurdwara, but were most ethical, moral and spiritual people. one could not but help admire their integrity, maturity and spiritual calm. such people leave a very powerful impression on your psyche.

i wish the bohras well as a community, always have, always will. they have for centuries been beacons of light, held up to other communities as an example of piety, simplicity, generosity, honesty, business acumen, love and care. they were highly respected by the hindu and muslim raja's over centuries and later even by the british. a sterling philantropic community of cultured, god-fearing and mild bohras has been turned into the grotesque distortions we see today.

as a son cannot deny his biological links with his parents, so too i cannot deny my bohra roots. but to affirm my roots i do not have to lick anyone's soles nor be kicked and spat upon by rascals who will still rob and plunder me. it is possible to remain a bohra, but an uninvolved one, in isolation as it were, and watch the tamashas from afar.

p.s. my bold green fonts have been commented upon by many. i am neither trigger happy nor have an unhealthy addiction to green in large doses. it is just my puny little effort to deny that great charlatan - adam - his wish to mobilise all his fanatic colleagues on this forum by making them employ the green font! when i do not give a damn for a bloody 2 bit zaada, then who the hell is adam?? his stupid efforts to identify his co-retards are asking to be defeated by a resounding kick in the pants.

Well done bro!

You've clearly shown that you are a man of principle, and more importantly, a man of action instead of just talk (like so many people on this forum)... you decided to leave Bohra'ism and took the drastic step of actually doing it - cutting all ties and without looking back. This takes real gumption and guts.

You stopped posting here immediately because, like you say, it is no longer of your concern - as you've found another, better, path for your faith and family... and I wish you the very best on your new journey. (Although I do hope you've joined another Shia community, and haven't gone over to the dark Sunni side now?)

You are an example to many on this site, who hate the Bohra Community with the utmost intensity... yet don't do anything about it - apart from wasting their time whining here for years on end. Even a few who have left, still post here... almost as if they regret their decision.

It's quite sad and makes me think of a guy who divorced his wife - but instead of forgetting about her and getting on with his life... he still keeps tabs on her, constantly watching what she's doing, where she's going, who she's seeing etc... such a tragically pathetic character who is obviously stuck in the past, and simply doesn't have the courage, strength and wherewithal, to move on.

You deserve a round of applause my friend - if you dislike the Bohra Community, you should forget they even exist and find a better home... it's a great shame that nobody else here has what it takes to follow in your mighty footsteps.

Once again, I wish you a warm-hearted farewell and hope you find happiness and contentment in your new religious life... so you never need to involve yourself again with any side of the Bohra community.

Live Long & Prosper Dude!

[lionplayer]

Aaje khatmul quran ni majlis ma ek hindu shaks kukshi si ayo ane ehna khwab ni zikar kidi
2 khwab molanal muqaddas na zikar kida
Bija khwab ma em kayu k mujhe khwab me mola nazar aye ek tekri pe khare hai or umke haath me lakri hame paas gaya aapki qadambosi ki
Mujhe aapne farmaya k me tumhe ek baat bata raha hu ye gaur se sun na
Mere baad mere gaadi pe mere bete mufaddal saifuddin birajmaan honge
Mene kaha mujhe ye naam yaad nahi rahega
Aapne farmaya k mere dusre bete hai ye toh yaad rahega ye yaad rakhna
1996 rampura me mujhe ye sapna hua
Uske baad me mumbai aapki bethak me gaya
Sh zoeb kukshiwala or sh husamudddin ne mola me araz ki
Mola ne farmaya k is baat ko chupa k rakhna
Ye baat ko mene aaj tak chua ke rakha
Aaj ye baat bata raha hu..whtsap par aaj ka latest mojiza..hahaha

[M Taha]

Aaje khatmul quran ni majlis ma ek hindu shaks kukshi si ayo ane ehna khwab ni zikar kidi
2 khwab molanal muqaddas na zikar kida
Bija khwab ma em kayu k mujhe khwab me mola nazar aye ek tekri pe khare hai or umke haath me lakri hame paas gaya aapki qadambosi ki
Mujhe aapne farmaya k me tumhe ek baat bata raha hu ye gaur se sun na
Mere baad mere gaadi pe mere bete mufaddal saifuddin birajmaan honge
Mene kaha mujhe ye naam yaad nahi rahega
Aapne farmaya k mere dusre bete hai ye toh yaad rahega ye yaad rakhna
1996 rampura me mujhe ye sapna hua
Uske baad me mumbai aapki bethak me gaya
Sh zoeb kukshiwala or sh husamudddin ne mola me araz ki
Mola ne farmaya k is baat ko chupa k rakhna
Ye baat ko mene aaj tak chua ke rakha
Aaj ye baat bata raha hu..whtsap par aaj ka latest mojiza..hahaha

Bhai this is hilarious if some thing happens to me laughing, you will be responsible...

[Right]

Heard that SKQ is offering Rs 5lacs + 70% share in purchase of house + 50 % share in purchase of shop to the families joining his camp. Is it true or rumors ?

[M Taha]

this cant be true but if some body is joining KQ for money, then its a shame for him, and those people wont stick with him for long time.

[AgnosticIndian]

The thing is KQ claiming the inheritance of the system everyone abhors. Whatever is on offer as far as being progressive is concerned from the KQ side is nothing but a sop or sugar coating to get some numbers. For 50 years KQ was in the same system and staking his claim on the same system. If he had got a smooth transition IF Nass on him was done in Zahir, he would have happily continued with the system, he would be Syedna, his sons shezadas etc.

My point being, whats being offered by KQ may be a tactical move to get numbers but nothing from the heart.

[AgnosticIndian]

Thats it? I heard 1 crore

Imagine with all the money on offer about 100 turned up for Misaq. So its anybodys guess as to whats true and whats not.

[salsabeel]

U sure it was not a couple of crores??:)
I think SKQ was in the same system, but as to the question that why didnt he make a difference when he could...it is surely clear that with all the zaadas might he was kept as far away from SMB as possible with lies and deception constantly being poured in SMB's ear about him. all authority to exercise power was in the hands of people who only cared about money, anyone trying to bring out the corruption was pushed away or prayed laanat on.

[New]

Mr. Right bhai you are wrong. You are on the Left firka and every one is on the Right firka. Missak ma em khau ke khao Kasam and kaho Rakam...Correct me Mr. Right bhai if I am wrong.

[salsabeel]

also whats up with scanning ejamaat cards at the time of safaqat in misaaq and not when entering masjid. its telling all abdes in plain terms 'that we do not trust you'....only if the abdes could listen.
all this scanning business is just wierd, whats the purpose, feels like we are in a convoluted regime.....something like the book animal farm.

[questions]

'khao Kasam and kaho Rakam' - LOL

Get out people - see the writing on the lifafa and run for your lives !

[voice]

A good post I found on another thread, for all those who missed it, please do read and circulate,

........It all sounds like a political campaign. For most here who do not know a very well planned consipiracy has been in the work by YN & Sons Inc, under the guidlines of YN for the past 30+ years.

Under those guidlines
1. Most mid age brothers and sisters here might remember that they used to had duo pictures of SMB & KQ together side by side. Those were eliminated systematically
2. YN & Sons camp has always threatened with violence, mental abuse and other tactics
3. KQ was slowly and steadily barred from coming everywhere, except where he had stronghold. If anyone remember malik uster openly challenging KQ in bombay saifee masjid in ramazan "ehni majaal bawaji saheb paase aawine to batawi di"
4. If MS cannot control his followers he ain't no leader. But did he ever even apologize for behaviour of his "emotionally charged" followers ? NO
5. If the laanat sessions were not authorized, who is responsible for the world wide campaigns. Who organized the azaad maidaan campaign, who organized the blank paper signing campaign. Ofcourse not the common mumineen, but the chain of command and someone authorized to do this without consequences. Again why did MS not man up and apologize on behalf of the community as a leader
6. Last I saw "gangs armed with re-bar" were deployed outside Raudat Tahera to stop and permanently eliminate KQ.
7. Its a lie that KQ stopped coming and left SMB. He never did, he was barred. And one good example was seen in Surat city a few years back where some guards started physical confrontation. There are witness to that event and seen the whole drama for next 3-4 hours.

There can be a million other points that can be brought up. But I am sure as soon as logical arguments start MS defendants vanish in thin air.

[New]

A leader has to be seen in the public commanding a lead. He should be approachable easily or by proxy. The only line of communication is the website with press releases. As many said here that the website hardly serves any purpose now. Even the Missak bayan has been commmming now for one week. So where is the leader? We have many many questions what why who where when etc etc.

As many have said that any publicity even the bad one is a good publicity. I am not asking SKQ to be seen with Ram Baba or others.

But what is going on?