Temporary marriage

[SBM]

Salaams MF and Anjami
You have blasted Shia for temporary marriage also known as MUTTA, any thought about the following:
This was reported in Arabnews on Dec 19, 2006

It is common for Saudi men to marry Indonesian women temporarily through misyar (“no obligation”) marriages and divorce them after paying a relatively small sum, which to the poor women and their families makes a big difference.

Al-Watan newspaper recently wrote that 89 percent of Saudi households have at least one maid. The total number of domestic workers is well over 1 million, including Bangladeshis, Indians, Filipinos, Ethiopians, Indonesians, Nepalese and Sri Lankans.

[mbohra]

Omabharti:

You indicate:
"It is common for Saudi men to marry Indonesian women temporarily through misyar (“no obligation”) marriages and divorce them after paying a relatively small sum, which to the poor women and their families makes a big difference."

In English this is called "prostitution". Perhaps "misyar" makes it religiously legal and hence not a sin or a criminal offence (if adultery or forcible sexual assault or rape).

If some of the Muslims can conveniently justify murder (under the pretext of Jihad or honour killing), they can even justify somewhat the lesser sin or crime of prostitution or rape.

What a tangled web we weave in the name of religion?

[jinx]

Bohras do not subscribe to either the temporary marriage or misyar marriage. We follow the Sunni school of thought regarding marriages/nikahs. :p

[anajmi]

omabharti,

Actually according to all my posts, Saudi men have a right to do as they please. Only shias are to be restricted.

[khuzema]

Hey Jinx,

Whats going on with you? Welcome back. Nice to see you again on the forum. Looks like you took a vacation from Dawoodi-bohras.com for couple of years.

Where you around with some other name on the forum or where you on (maternity) leave?

Anyways Welcome back, we missed you.

[Muslim First]

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Br. Ombharti

Anybody who takes advantage of religion or hides behind the religion for personal gains or to satisfy lust is to be condemned.
Wasalaam
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[feelgud]

5:5 This day are (all) things good and pure made lawful unto you. The food of the People of the Book is lawful unto you and yours is lawful unto them. (Lawful unto you in marriage) are (not only) chaste women who are believers, but chaste women among the People of the Book, revealed before your time,- when ye give them their due dowers, and desire chastity, not lewdness, nor secret intrigues if any one rejects faith, fruitless is his work, and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (all spiritual good).

The marriage contract known as Misyar does not oblige the husband to provide for the wife and the family. It is not difficult to see that this kind of marriage contract is against the spirit of the nikah itself. Nikah is not only meant to allow two persons establish part time relations but to form a family which can guarantee the safety of the rights of the wife, the husband and the sound upbringing of the children. These are the basic purposes a family contributes for and misyar fails to achieve them. Many things can be legally allowable but still violating the purposes of the act. For example one is allowed to marry and then sever the relationship as soon as he wants for he has been given the right to divorce and marry another woman and divorce her too in hours. His act of contracting these marriages and then separating the women for the new ones is legally allowable. Yet we know that this is clearly against the spirit of the establishment of the institution of the family.

[feelgud]

003.119
YUSUFALI: Allah knoweth well all the secrets of the heart."

BUKHARI Volume 1, Book 1, Number 1:

Narrated 'Umar bin Al-Khattab:

I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The reward of deeds depends upon the intentions and every person will get the reward according to what he has intended. So whoever emigrated for worldly benefits or for a woman to marry, his emigration was for what he emigrated for."

[jinx]

Originally posted by khuzema:
Hey Jinx,

Whats going on with you? Welcome back. Nice to see you again on the forum. Looks like you took a vacation from Dawoodi-bohras.com for couple of years.

Where you around with some other name on the forum or where you on (maternity) leave?

Anyways Welcome back, we missed you.

Hi Bro Khuzema,
I was always around even when not posting. I was a passive participatant. State of Dawoodi Bohras is depressing as usual and....why should I care abt people who dont care about anything but themselves.

Ofcourse I have an offline life

[SBM]

Well Well finally Muttah is coming to North America
http://news.yahoo.com/til-2013-us-part- ... 08285.html

[SBM]

For all Sunni readers on this forum who have based Shias for Mutta, Here is something from Saudi Arabian Scholar justifying Misyaar aka Sunni Mutta

Sunni Misyaar vs Shiite Muttaa
Syed Neaz Ahmad, guardian.co.uk

Saudi Arabia's conservative society stands divided on the issue of misyar, a no-strings marriage of convenience that has become increasingly popular in the kingdom. Misyar is a form of marriage that allows couples to live separately but come together for sexual relations. For the women who accept it – spinsters, divorcees and widows – it's a something-is-better-than-nothing option, though they waive almost all the rights that a normal Muslim marriage entitles them to. For men it offers an opportunity for a bit of fun on the side, in secret, and at a huge discount. Reasons for popularity of misyar include the high cost of marriage – the dowry, several dinners, parties, decoration of a flat or a villa and the honeymoon. All this may set back the groom by several hundred thousand riyals. Misyar for cash-strapped men is a boon.
Hamdan, a Saudi colleague of mine back in Jeddah – distraught and depressed after the break-up of his first marriage – entered into a succession of misyar marriages. None lasted for more than six months. He confided that he had hoped to find a compatible partner for a permanent relationship but it didn't work out. He also said that misyar wives are crafty and inclined to extract money and gifts. In his words: misyar marriages are not cost-effective. The colleague is now married again – in a normal marriage – and hopes to live happily ever after.
Thanks to Bluetooth technology, friendly websites and an abundance of furnished apartments in major cities like Riyadh and Jeddah, there are tales of misyar wives who have clandestinely entered into more than one misyar contract. These enlightened ladies say misyar husbands never tell their full-time wives about their relationships so why can't misyar wives have similar arrangements? Clerics view this as a dangerous trend.
Website ads for misyar marriages often reveal the immaturity and desperation of those looking for partners:
• Young man, 21, excellent monthly income, seeks marriage as soon as possible to single girls up to 70 kgs, living in Jeddah.
• Saudi clerk, 38, from a well-known family, seeks pretty, white, delicate, businesswoman or clerk for misyar marriage. With Allah's help, if things work out, the marriage will be official.
• Accountant, 30, seeks misyar marriage with Saudi woman. Age, experience, number of children, widow or single or divorced unimportant. What is important is her ability to satisfy the needs of a man who desires things permitted by religion (halal).

Misyar is popular in the kingdom because in a society where extramarital and premarital sex is a cardinal sin it legitimises sexual relations outside the framework of conventional marriage. It was legalised through a fatwa (religious edict) issued by late Sheikh Abdulaziz bin Baz, then the chief mufti of Saudi Arabia. 'Urfi (unofficial marriage) in Egypt and muta'h (temporary marriage) in Iran are variations on the same idea. The Egyptian Centre for Women's Rights says misyar is an insult to both men and women and a sanction for the trafficking of women. Clerical opinions vary.
Yusuf al-Qaradawi, the Qatar-based Egyptian scholar, says: Misyar should be viewed as a form of legal relationship beween man and woman regardless of any description attached to it ... But I do have to make it clear that the aforementioined statement does not make me a protagonist of misyar marriage ... There is no doubt that such marriage may be somehow socially unacceptable, but there is a big difference between what is Islamically valid and what is socially acceptable.

Emirates-based scholar Sheikh Ahmad al-Kubaisi says that while misyar marriage is correct Islamically, it also compromises some values. Al-Kubaisi believes that misyar can solve the high rate of spinsterhood in the Arab countries: The only difference (with a normal marriage) is that the woman abandons voluntarily her right to housing and support money. There is nothing wrong in reling one's own rights.In 2006, after years of deliberation and a fair degree of dissent, the Mecca-based Muslim World League's constituent body, the Islamic Jurisprudence Council ruled that misyar marriage was legal. Samirah, a Saudi media personality (not her real name) described the decision as unfortunate. She thought the jurists had a difficult problem to resolve but this wasn't the best way out. Rula Dashti, head of the Kuwaiti Economic Society describes misyar as an arrangement that destroys the fundamentals of family. Ghada Jamshir, a Bahraini activist who lobbies for reduction of clerical influence in family affairs, thinks liberals should object to misyar marriages.
To misyar or not to misyar? Saudi society is certainly confused on this issue, as is apparent from the following conversation reported in a Saudi newspaper: Years ago, I overheard one of my son's friends talking about marriage and girls and he asked: 'Why buy a cow when milk is free?' They were talking about loose girls and there not being any meed for marriage with them around," said a university professor.
With misyar marriage, haven't we just legalised the 'why-buy-the-milk-when-the-cow-is-free' syndrome? And we are supposed to be civilised?

In Islam all acts – including misyar – are judged and will be judged on the merit of motives and intentions.

[seeker110]

Dil tau pagal hai, dil diwana haim, Khuda ka shukar hai bhai, Khuda ko mana hai. Why would anyone want to poison their own life.

[anajmi]

SBM,

I have stated this earlier on this thread, Saudis are not required to do what Islam permits. Islam permits what Saudis like to do. We should know by now that Wahhabis like myself on this board, give a free pass to Saudis. It is ok for Saudis to be involved in prostitution. I will only be blasting the shias if they get involved in it.

[SBM]

SBM,

I have stated this earlier on this thread, Saudis are not required to do what Islam permits. Islam permits what Saudis like to do. We should know by now that Wahhabis like myself on this board, give a free pass to Saudis. It is ok for Saudis to be involved in prostitution. I will only be blasting the shias if they get involved in it.