Birthday Madness
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Re: Birthday Madness
This bags a basic question. Are slaves human, if they are. Then what about their human dignity.
Re: Birthday Madness
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YUSUFALI: It is not righteousness that ye turn your faces Towards east or West; but it is righteousness- to believe in Allah and the Last Day, and the Angels, and the Book, and the Messengers; to spend of your substance, out of love for Him, for your kin, for orphans, for the needy, for the wayfarer, for those who ask, and for the ransom of slaves; to be steadfast in prayer, and practice regular charity; to fulfil the contracts which ye have made; and to be firm and patient, in pain (or suffering) and adversity, and throughout all periods of panic. Such are the people of truth, the Allah-fearing.
PICKTHAL: It is not righteousness that ye turn your faces to the East and the West; but righteous is he who believeth in Allah and the Last Day and the angels and the Scripture and the prophets; and giveth wealth, for love of Him, to kinsfolk and to orphans and the needy and the wayfarer and to those who ask, and to set slaves free; and observeth proper worship and payeth the poor-due. And those who keep their treaty when they make one, and the patient in tribulation and adversity and time of stress. Such are they who are sincere. Such are the Allah-fearing.
SHAKIR: It is not righteousness that you turn your faces towards the East and the West, but righteousness is this that one should believe in Allah and the last day and the angels and the Book and the prophets, and give away wealth out of love for Him to the near of kin and the orphans and the needy and the wayfarer and the beggars and for (the emancipation of) the captives, and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate; and the performers of their promise when they make a promise, and the patient in distress and affliction and in time of conflicts-- these are they who are true (to themselves) and these are they who guard (against evil).
YUSUFALI: Do not marry unbelieving women (idolaters), until they believe: A slave woman who believes is better than an unbelieving woman, even though she allures you. Nor marry (your girls) to unbelievers until they believe: A man slave who believes is better than an unbeliever, even though he allures you. Unbelievers do (but) beckon you to the Fire. But Allah beckons by His Grace to the Garden (of bliss) and forgiveness, and makes His Signs clear to mankind: That they may celebrate His praise.
PICKTHAL: Wed not idolatresses till they believe; for lo! a believing bondwoman is better than an idolatress though she please you; and give not your daughters in marriage to idolaters till they believe, for lo! a believing slave is better than an idolater though he please you. These invite unto the Fire, and Allah inviteth unto the Garden, and unto forgiveness by His grace, and expoundeth His revelations to mankind that haply they may remember.
SHAKIR: And do not marry the idolatresses until they believe, and certainly a believing maid is better than an idolatress woman, even though she should please you; and do not give (believing women) in marriage to idolaters until they believe, and certainly a believing servant is better than an idolater, even though he should please you; these invite to the fire, and Allah invites to the garden and to forgiveness by His will, and makes clear His communications to men, that they may be mindful.
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YUSUFALI: Never should a believer kill a believer; but (If it so happens) by mistake, (Compensation is due): If one (so) kills a believer, it is ordained that he should free a believing slave, and pay compensation to the deceased's family, unless they remit it freely. If the deceased belonged to a people at war with you, and he was a believer, the freeing of a believing slave (Is enough). If he belonged to a people with whom ye have treaty of Mutual alliance, compensation should be paid to his family, and a believing slave be freed. For those who find this beyond their means, (is prescribed) a fast for two months running: by way of repentance to Allah: for Allah hath all knowledge and all wisdom.
PICKTHAL: It is not for a believer to kill a believer unless (it be) by mistake. He who hath killed a believer by mistake must set free a believing slave, and pay the blood-money to the family of the slain, unless they remit it as a charity. If he (the victim) be of a people hostile unto you, and he is a believer, then (the penance is) to set free a believing slave. And if he cometh of a folk between whom and you there is a covenant, then the blood-money must be paid unto his folk and (also) a believing slave must be set free. And whoso hath not the wherewithal must fast two consecutive months. A penance from Allah. Allah is Knower, Wise.
SHAKIR: And it does not behoove a believer to kill a believer except by mistake, and whoever kills a believer by mistake, he should free a believing slave, and blood-money should be paid to his people unless they remit it as alms; but if he be from a tribe hostile to you and he is a believer, the freeing of a believing slave (suffices), and if he is from a tribe between whom and you there is a convenant, the blood-money should be paid to his people along with the freeing of a believing slave; but he who cannot find (a slave) should fast for two months successively: a penance from Allah, and Allah is Knowing, Wise.
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YUSUFALI: Allah will not call you to account for what is futile in your oaths, but He will call you to account for your deliberate oaths: for expiation, feed ten indigent persons, on a scale of the average for the food of your families; or clothe them; or give a slave his freedom. If that is beyond your means, fast for three days. That is the expiation for the oaths ye have sworn. But keep to your oaths. Thus doth Allah make clear to you His signs, that ye may be grateful.
PICKTHAL: Allah will not take you to task for that which is unintentional in your oaths, but He will take you to task for the oaths which ye swear in earnest. The expiation thereof is the feeding of ten of the needy with the average of that wherewith ye feed your own folk, or the clothing of them, or the liberation of a slave, and for him who findeth not (the wherewithal to do so) then a three days' fast. This is the expiation of your oaths when ye have sworn; and keep your oaths. Thus Allah expoundeth unto you His revelations in order that ye may give thanks.
SHAKIR: Allah does not call you to account for what is vain in your oaths, but He calls you to account for the making of deliberate oaths; so its expiation is the feeding of ten poor men out of the middling (food) you feed your families with, or their clothing, or the freeing of a neck; but whosoever cannot find (means) then fasting for three days; this is the expiation of your oaths when you swear; and guard your oaths. Thus does Allah make clear to you His communications, that you may be Fateful.
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YUSUFALI: Allah has bestowed His gifts of sustenance more freely on some of you than on others: those more favoured are not going to throw back their gifts to those whom their right hands possess, so as to be equal in that respect. Will they then deny the favours of Allah?
PICKTHAL: And Allah hath favoured some of you above others in provision. Now those who are more favoured will by no means hand over their provision to those (slaves) whom their right hands possess, so that they may be equal with them in respect thereof. Is it then the grace of Allah that they deny?
SHAKIR: And Allah has made some of you excel others in the means of subsistence, so those who are made to excel do not give away their sustenance to those whom their right hands possess so that they should be equal therein; is it then the favor of Allah which they deny?
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YUSUFALI: Marry those among you who are single, or the virtuous ones among yourselves, male or female: if they are in poverty, Allah will give them means out of His grace: for Allah encompasseth all, and he knoweth all things.
PICKTHAL: And marry such of you as are solitary and the pious of your slaves and maid-servants. If they be poor, Allah will enrich them of His bounty. Allah is of ample means, Aware.
SHAKIR: And marry those among you who are single and those who are fit among your male slaves and your female slaves; if they are needy, Allah will make them free from want out of His grace; and Allah is Ample-giving, Knowing.
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YUSUFALI: Let those who find not the wherewithal for marriage keep themselves chaste, until Allah gives them means out of His grace. And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing (to enable them to earn their freedom for a certain sum), give them such a deed if ye know any good in them: yea, give them something yourselves out of the means which Allah has given to you. But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is Allah, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them),
PICKTHAL: And let those who cannot find a match keep chaste till Allah give them independence by His grace. And such of your slaves as seek a writing (of emancipation), write it for them if ye are aware of aught of good in them, and bestow upon them of the wealth of Allah which He hath bestowed upon you. Force not your slave-girls to whoredom that ye may seek enjoyment of the life of the world, if they would preserve their chastity. And if one force them, then (unto them), after their compulsion, lo! Allah will be Forgiving, Merciful.
SHAKIR: And let those who do not find the means to marry keep chaste until Allah makes them free from want out of His grace. And (as for) those who ask for a writing from among those whom your right hands possess, give them the writing if you know any good in them, and give them of the wealth of Allah which He has given you; and do not compel your slave girls to prostitution, when they desire to keep chaste, in order to seek the frail good of this world's life; and whoever compels them, then surely after their compulsion Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
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YUSUFALI: But those who divorce their wives by Zihar, then wish to go back on the words they uttered,- (It is ordained that such a one) should free a slave before they touch each other: Thus are ye admonished to perform: and Allah is well-acquainted with (all) that ye do.
PICKTHAL: Those who put away their wives (by saying they are as their mothers) and afterward would go back on that which they have said, (the penalty) in that case (is) the freeing of a slave before they touch one another. Unto this ye are exhorted; and Allah is Informed of what ye do.
SHAKIR: And (as for) those who put away their wives by likening their backs to the backs of their mothers then would recall what they said, they should free a captive before they touch each other; to that you are admonished (to conform); and Allah is Aware of what you do.
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YUSUFALI: And what will explain to thee the path that is steep?-
YUSUFALI: (It is:) freeing the bondman;
YUSUFALI: Or the giving of food in a day of privation
PICKTHAL: Ah, what will convey unto thee what the Ascent is! -
PICKTHAL: (It is) to free a slave,
PICKTHAL: And to feed in the day of hunger.
SHAKIR: And what will make you comprehend what the uphill road is?
SHAKIR: (It is) the setting free of a slave,
SHAKIR: Or the giving of food in a day of hunger
None of these however prohibit the possession of slaves. But some of us have the sense to figure out where they are driving at or what the baatin meaning of this is. The baatin meaning is that possession of slaves is not liked by Allah.
Considering the fact that you have understood the quran. I am wondering what it is that you have understood.
These are examples from the quran. The hadith is yet to come
YUSUFALI: It is not righteousness that ye turn your faces Towards east or West; but it is righteousness- to believe in Allah and the Last Day, and the Angels, and the Book, and the Messengers; to spend of your substance, out of love for Him, for your kin, for orphans, for the needy, for the wayfarer, for those who ask, and for the ransom of slaves; to be steadfast in prayer, and practice regular charity; to fulfil the contracts which ye have made; and to be firm and patient, in pain (or suffering) and adversity, and throughout all periods of panic. Such are the people of truth, the Allah-fearing.
PICKTHAL: It is not righteousness that ye turn your faces to the East and the West; but righteous is he who believeth in Allah and the Last Day and the angels and the Scripture and the prophets; and giveth wealth, for love of Him, to kinsfolk and to orphans and the needy and the wayfarer and to those who ask, and to set slaves free; and observeth proper worship and payeth the poor-due. And those who keep their treaty when they make one, and the patient in tribulation and adversity and time of stress. Such are they who are sincere. Such are the Allah-fearing.
SHAKIR: It is not righteousness that you turn your faces towards the East and the West, but righteousness is this that one should believe in Allah and the last day and the angels and the Book and the prophets, and give away wealth out of love for Him to the near of kin and the orphans and the needy and the wayfarer and the beggars and for (the emancipation of) the captives, and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate; and the performers of their promise when they make a promise, and the patient in distress and affliction and in time of conflicts-- these are they who are true (to themselves) and these are they who guard (against evil).
YUSUFALI: Do not marry unbelieving women (idolaters), until they believe: A slave woman who believes is better than an unbelieving woman, even though she allures you. Nor marry (your girls) to unbelievers until they believe: A man slave who believes is better than an unbeliever, even though he allures you. Unbelievers do (but) beckon you to the Fire. But Allah beckons by His Grace to the Garden (of bliss) and forgiveness, and makes His Signs clear to mankind: That they may celebrate His praise.
PICKTHAL: Wed not idolatresses till they believe; for lo! a believing bondwoman is better than an idolatress though she please you; and give not your daughters in marriage to idolaters till they believe, for lo! a believing slave is better than an idolater though he please you. These invite unto the Fire, and Allah inviteth unto the Garden, and unto forgiveness by His grace, and expoundeth His revelations to mankind that haply they may remember.
SHAKIR: And do not marry the idolatresses until they believe, and certainly a believing maid is better than an idolatress woman, even though she should please you; and do not give (believing women) in marriage to idolaters until they believe, and certainly a believing servant is better than an idolater, even though he should please you; these invite to the fire, and Allah invites to the garden and to forgiveness by His will, and makes clear His communications to men, that they may be mindful.
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YUSUFALI: Never should a believer kill a believer; but (If it so happens) by mistake, (Compensation is due): If one (so) kills a believer, it is ordained that he should free a believing slave, and pay compensation to the deceased's family, unless they remit it freely. If the deceased belonged to a people at war with you, and he was a believer, the freeing of a believing slave (Is enough). If he belonged to a people with whom ye have treaty of Mutual alliance, compensation should be paid to his family, and a believing slave be freed. For those who find this beyond their means, (is prescribed) a fast for two months running: by way of repentance to Allah: for Allah hath all knowledge and all wisdom.
PICKTHAL: It is not for a believer to kill a believer unless (it be) by mistake. He who hath killed a believer by mistake must set free a believing slave, and pay the blood-money to the family of the slain, unless they remit it as a charity. If he (the victim) be of a people hostile unto you, and he is a believer, then (the penance is) to set free a believing slave. And if he cometh of a folk between whom and you there is a covenant, then the blood-money must be paid unto his folk and (also) a believing slave must be set free. And whoso hath not the wherewithal must fast two consecutive months. A penance from Allah. Allah is Knower, Wise.
SHAKIR: And it does not behoove a believer to kill a believer except by mistake, and whoever kills a believer by mistake, he should free a believing slave, and blood-money should be paid to his people unless they remit it as alms; but if he be from a tribe hostile to you and he is a believer, the freeing of a believing slave (suffices), and if he is from a tribe between whom and you there is a convenant, the blood-money should be paid to his people along with the freeing of a believing slave; but he who cannot find (a slave) should fast for two months successively: a penance from Allah, and Allah is Knowing, Wise.
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YUSUFALI: Allah will not call you to account for what is futile in your oaths, but He will call you to account for your deliberate oaths: for expiation, feed ten indigent persons, on a scale of the average for the food of your families; or clothe them; or give a slave his freedom. If that is beyond your means, fast for three days. That is the expiation for the oaths ye have sworn. But keep to your oaths. Thus doth Allah make clear to you His signs, that ye may be grateful.
PICKTHAL: Allah will not take you to task for that which is unintentional in your oaths, but He will take you to task for the oaths which ye swear in earnest. The expiation thereof is the feeding of ten of the needy with the average of that wherewith ye feed your own folk, or the clothing of them, or the liberation of a slave, and for him who findeth not (the wherewithal to do so) then a three days' fast. This is the expiation of your oaths when ye have sworn; and keep your oaths. Thus Allah expoundeth unto you His revelations in order that ye may give thanks.
SHAKIR: Allah does not call you to account for what is vain in your oaths, but He calls you to account for the making of deliberate oaths; so its expiation is the feeding of ten poor men out of the middling (food) you feed your families with, or their clothing, or the freeing of a neck; but whosoever cannot find (means) then fasting for three days; this is the expiation of your oaths when you swear; and guard your oaths. Thus does Allah make clear to you His communications, that you may be Fateful.
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YUSUFALI: Allah has bestowed His gifts of sustenance more freely on some of you than on others: those more favoured are not going to throw back their gifts to those whom their right hands possess, so as to be equal in that respect. Will they then deny the favours of Allah?
PICKTHAL: And Allah hath favoured some of you above others in provision. Now those who are more favoured will by no means hand over their provision to those (slaves) whom their right hands possess, so that they may be equal with them in respect thereof. Is it then the grace of Allah that they deny?
SHAKIR: And Allah has made some of you excel others in the means of subsistence, so those who are made to excel do not give away their sustenance to those whom their right hands possess so that they should be equal therein; is it then the favor of Allah which they deny?
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YUSUFALI: Marry those among you who are single, or the virtuous ones among yourselves, male or female: if they are in poverty, Allah will give them means out of His grace: for Allah encompasseth all, and he knoweth all things.
PICKTHAL: And marry such of you as are solitary and the pious of your slaves and maid-servants. If they be poor, Allah will enrich them of His bounty. Allah is of ample means, Aware.
SHAKIR: And marry those among you who are single and those who are fit among your male slaves and your female slaves; if they are needy, Allah will make them free from want out of His grace; and Allah is Ample-giving, Knowing.
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YUSUFALI: Let those who find not the wherewithal for marriage keep themselves chaste, until Allah gives them means out of His grace. And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing (to enable them to earn their freedom for a certain sum), give them such a deed if ye know any good in them: yea, give them something yourselves out of the means which Allah has given to you. But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is Allah, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them),
PICKTHAL: And let those who cannot find a match keep chaste till Allah give them independence by His grace. And such of your slaves as seek a writing (of emancipation), write it for them if ye are aware of aught of good in them, and bestow upon them of the wealth of Allah which He hath bestowed upon you. Force not your slave-girls to whoredom that ye may seek enjoyment of the life of the world, if they would preserve their chastity. And if one force them, then (unto them), after their compulsion, lo! Allah will be Forgiving, Merciful.
SHAKIR: And let those who do not find the means to marry keep chaste until Allah makes them free from want out of His grace. And (as for) those who ask for a writing from among those whom your right hands possess, give them the writing if you know any good in them, and give them of the wealth of Allah which He has given you; and do not compel your slave girls to prostitution, when they desire to keep chaste, in order to seek the frail good of this world's life; and whoever compels them, then surely after their compulsion Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
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YUSUFALI: But those who divorce their wives by Zihar, then wish to go back on the words they uttered,- (It is ordained that such a one) should free a slave before they touch each other: Thus are ye admonished to perform: and Allah is well-acquainted with (all) that ye do.
PICKTHAL: Those who put away their wives (by saying they are as their mothers) and afterward would go back on that which they have said, (the penalty) in that case (is) the freeing of a slave before they touch one another. Unto this ye are exhorted; and Allah is Informed of what ye do.
SHAKIR: And (as for) those who put away their wives by likening their backs to the backs of their mothers then would recall what they said, they should free a captive before they touch each other; to that you are admonished (to conform); and Allah is Aware of what you do.
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YUSUFALI: And what will explain to thee the path that is steep?-
YUSUFALI: (It is:) freeing the bondman;
YUSUFALI: Or the giving of food in a day of privation
PICKTHAL: Ah, what will convey unto thee what the Ascent is! -
PICKTHAL: (It is) to free a slave,
PICKTHAL: And to feed in the day of hunger.
SHAKIR: And what will make you comprehend what the uphill road is?
SHAKIR: (It is) the setting free of a slave,
SHAKIR: Or the giving of food in a day of hunger
None of these however prohibit the possession of slaves. But some of us have the sense to figure out where they are driving at or what the baatin meaning of this is. The baatin meaning is that possession of slaves is not liked by Allah.
Considering the fact that you have understood the quran. I am wondering what it is that you have understood.
These are examples from the quran. The hadith is yet to come
Re: Birthday Madness
Now that is a true Ismaili speaking. If people bet on sports you do not stop the sports you idiot ismaili. You stop the betting.People bet on baseball teams, football, basketball, etc. So will you stop all the sports? Oops, I forgot, Wahabis wanted to ban football, not because people betted on it but they did not play football in their long dresses! What clowns.
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YUSUFALI: They ask thee concerning wine and gambling. Say: "In them is great sin, and some profit, for men; but the sin is greater than the profit." They ask thee how much they are to spend; Say: "What is beyond your needs." Thus doth Allah Make clear to you His Signs: In order that ye may consider-
PICKTHAL: They question thee about strong drink and games of chance. Say: In both is great sin, and (some) utility for men; but the sin of them is greater than their usefulness. And they ask thee what they ought to spend. Say: that which is superfluous. Thus Allah maketh plain to you (His) revelations, that haply ye may reflect.
SHAKIR: They ask you about intoxicants and games of chance. Say: In both of them there is a great sin and means of profit for men, and their sin is greater than their profit. And they ask you as to what they should spend. Say: What you can spare. Thus does Allah make clear to you the communications, that you may ponder
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YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination,- of Satan's handwork: eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper.
PICKTHAL: O ye who believe! Strong drink and games of chance and idols and divining arrows are only an infamy of Satan's handiwork. Leave it aside in order that ye may succeed.
SHAKIR: O you who believe! intoxicants and games of chance and (sacrificing to) stones set up and (dividing by) arrows are only an uncleanness, the Shaitan's work; shun it therefore that you may be successful.
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YUSUFALI: Satan's plan is (but) to excite enmity and hatred between you, with intoxicants and gambling, and hinder you from the remembrance of Allah, and from prayer: will ye not then abstain?
PICKTHAL: Satan seeketh only to cast among you enmity and hatred by means of strong drink and games of chance, and to turn you from remembrance of Allah and from (His) worship. Will ye then have done?
SHAKIR: The Shaitan only desires to cause enmity and hatred to spring in your midst by means of intoxicants and games of chance, and to keep you off from the remembrance of Allah and from prayer. Will you then desist?
Looks like you Imam is working for satan my friend and you are his stooge.
Wait a sec, what do I hear... wahabi, wahabi, wahabi.
Re: Birthday Madness
anajmi,
This is great. All the ayahs for people to see for themselves. People who still don't get it would have to be idiots. Great job. Keep it up. Smooch Smooch.
This is great. All the ayahs for people to see for themselves. People who still don't get it would have to be idiots. Great job. Keep it up. Smooch Smooch.
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Re: Birthday Madness
Once upon a time there was a pagal. yes yes, a real pagal.
They call him "Gayla" in gujrati and
in Humsafar Udaipuri he is called "Weynda"
When people around in mood of entertainment will throw some little object on him. This will make pagal swear and perform unending entertainment.
Can you find any person of that resemblance on this board?
Answer is simple - no audience helps at this stage.
Winner will go to the next stage of this contest.
No minor or insane person is allowed to contest.
They call him "Gayla" in gujrati and
in Humsafar Udaipuri he is called "Weynda"
When people around in mood of entertainment will throw some little object on him. This will make pagal swear and perform unending entertainment.
Can you find any person of that resemblance on this board?
Answer is simple - no audience helps at this stage.
Winner will go to the next stage of this contest.
No minor or insane person is allowed to contest.
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Muslim First
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Re: Birthday Madness
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Africawala
I must disagree with you on horse racing.
Prophet participated in horse race but there is no evidence that betting was going on.
Your Hz. Imaam can indulge in horse racing so long as no betting is involved.
Would it be all right for me to rent apartment to a pimp who conducts business in rented apartment and pays rent from haraam Income?
I know when Islamic center in Quincy, MA bought a property in Sharon, MA. The Farm House had a large barn and horses from neighboring racecourse were boarded there. This arrangement was immediately cancelled since boarding fee came from gambling income.
You can own a hotel but morally you cannot have dining facility which serves drinks. I know your Imaam is that business too.
Wasalaam
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Africawala
I must disagree with you on horse racing.
Prophet participated in horse race but there is no evidence that betting was going on.
Your Hz. Imaam can indulge in horse racing so long as no betting is involved.
Would it be all right for me to rent apartment to a pimp who conducts business in rented apartment and pays rent from haraam Income?
I know when Islamic center in Quincy, MA bought a property in Sharon, MA. The Farm House had a large barn and horses from neighboring racecourse were boarded there. This arrangement was immediately cancelled since boarding fee came from gambling income.
You can own a hotel but morally you cannot have dining facility which serves drinks. I know your Imaam is that business too.
Wasalaam
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Re: Birthday Madness
jamanpasand(aka fat pig)
You are so right. Look at Africawala post. He has really gone bonkers, pagal, gaylo, wyedna. He is swearing and fat pigs are applauding and having fun getting entertained. All I do is throw a little stone at him and he is jumping up and down like a gaylo.
Now Muslim First has thrown a little stone. See how the gaylo performs and the fat pig applauds.
You are so right. Look at Africawala post. He has really gone bonkers, pagal, gaylo, wyedna. He is swearing and fat pigs are applauding and having fun getting entertained. All I do is throw a little stone at him and he is jumping up and down like a gaylo.
Now Muslim First has thrown a little stone. See how the gaylo performs and the fat pig applauds.
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jamanpasand
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Re: Birthday Madness
From the contest penal
Thank you Chookra for your input.
However there is no entry for minor and insane.
Just wait. We will soon launch a contest for that category.
At the moment we are not finding enough contestants for the category.
Please let us know if you can be of any help in finding more for insane category
Thank you Chookra for your input.
However there is no entry for minor and insane.
Just wait. We will soon launch a contest for that category.
At the moment we are not finding enough contestants for the category.
Please let us know if you can be of any help in finding more for insane category
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Re: Birthday Madness
Anajmi, All the ayahs, you quoted do not negate what I said. They actually reaffirm that, you can have Slave (man or woman). Go through the article I posted. Reluctantly I shall have to copy a brief history.
Discussion Initiated by Anonymous from Pakistan on 13-Feb-2000
In your answer to "Slave girls as wives" you had stated that "Islam accepted slavery as a social vice and gave directives for its gradual removal and ultimate extinction". If this was the case, then why is it reported that the Prophet (pbuh) had sexual relations with his Coptic Christian slave girl and did not marry her until she delivered his child? Please clarify the authenticity of this report. If this were true, then the example of the Prophet is surely counter to the statement you made about Islam considering slavery as a social vice!
ANSWER
To answer your question, it seems necessary that two separate aspects of the corrective measures taken by Islam, for the gradual abolition of the institution of slavery be clearly understood.
Firstly, the fact that Islam considered the institution of slavery a social vice is the obvious corollary of the various directives of Islam regarding freeing of slaves. Had Islam not considered slavery to be a social vice, there was no reason to promote freeing of slaves as a great virtue.
Secondly, the words 'Islam accepted slavery as a social vice' clearly imply that even though Islam considered slavery to be a vice against humanity, yet due to its deep roots in the world society, at the time, and due to the extra-ordinary social implications that could have followed any drastic measures of the complete and immediate abolition of the institution, Islam tolerated its existence till the time that the world was emotionally and psychologically prepared for its abolition. During this intermediary time, it was equally essential for the Prophet (pbuh) to promote the moral value of treating one's slaves with respect, honor, love and justice.
Mr. Amar Ellahi Lone, in his answer to a question regarding the marriages of the Prophet (pbuh) writes:
As far as the slave girl Hadhrat Maria Qibtia (ra) is concerned, the Prophet (pbuh) kept her as a slave girl because he was barred from marrying those slave girls who were not part of the booty of war, in the same verse that governed his marriage regulations. Hadhrat Maria Qibtia (ra) was presented to the Prophet (pbuh) by the ruler of Egypt[1]. He loved her very much and treated her very well, in order to set an example for the Muslims in treatment of their slaves.
Discussion Initiated by Anonymous from Pakistan on 13-Feb-2000
In your answer to "Slave girls as wives" you had stated that "Islam accepted slavery as a social vice and gave directives for its gradual removal and ultimate extinction". If this was the case, then why is it reported that the Prophet (pbuh) had sexual relations with his Coptic Christian slave girl and did not marry her until she delivered his child? Please clarify the authenticity of this report. If this were true, then the example of the Prophet is surely counter to the statement you made about Islam considering slavery as a social vice!
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To answer your question, it seems necessary that two separate aspects of the corrective measures taken by Islam, for the gradual abolition of the institution of slavery be clearly understood.
Firstly, the fact that Islam considered the institution of slavery a social vice is the obvious corollary of the various directives of Islam regarding freeing of slaves. Had Islam not considered slavery to be a social vice, there was no reason to promote freeing of slaves as a great virtue.
Secondly, the words 'Islam accepted slavery as a social vice' clearly imply that even though Islam considered slavery to be a vice against humanity, yet due to its deep roots in the world society, at the time, and due to the extra-ordinary social implications that could have followed any drastic measures of the complete and immediate abolition of the institution, Islam tolerated its existence till the time that the world was emotionally and psychologically prepared for its abolition. During this intermediary time, it was equally essential for the Prophet (pbuh) to promote the moral value of treating one's slaves with respect, honor, love and justice.
Mr. Amar Ellahi Lone, in his answer to a question regarding the marriages of the Prophet (pbuh) writes:
As far as the slave girl Hadhrat Maria Qibtia (ra) is concerned, the Prophet (pbuh) kept her as a slave girl because he was barred from marrying those slave girls who were not part of the booty of war, in the same verse that governed his marriage regulations. Hadhrat Maria Qibtia (ra) was presented to the Prophet (pbuh) by the ruler of Egypt[1]. He loved her very much and treated her very well, in order to set an example for the Muslims in treatment of their slaves.
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accty,
Enough about slavery has been said in those quranic ayahs for those with sense to understand. I do not wish to continue this discussion any more.
Enough about slavery has been said in those quranic ayahs for those with sense to understand. I do not wish to continue this discussion any more.
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Anajmi, YOu are running away again. Look its not your fault. There is no defense for religious bigotry. Religion says onething, and then negates it somewhere else in the disguise of Ta'weel. There is no consistency in religious teachings.
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accty,
Yes sir I am running away. I'd better, before I start thinking like you and start using the quran to go sleep instead waking up.
Yes sir I am running away. I'd better, before I start thinking like you and start using the quran to go sleep instead waking up.
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It will be good for you. YOu will become a better human being.
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Dear Muslim First,
Yes, my Hazar Imam races horses, but he does not bet, that is what I am saying.
And as I stated, horse racing and other sports are sports, people bet on them and this cannot be stopped by you or the biggest pervert Anajmi . Let me know how you can stop people from betting on any kind of sports in the West and in the Middle East and Asia, apart from Saudi Arabia.Can you really stop betting? If the answer is no, then will you cancel all sports? If not then can you explain this to the biggest idiot on this board, who does not seem to understand anything but Wahabism and garbage attached to it. Why don't you do a good deed and wipe the gunk off of this skunk!Where do you people get off telling others how to practice Islam or how people of other faiths should conform to your interpretation of Islam. Where do you come off judging others. Didn't Allah S.W.T. say in the Qur'an to leave others to follow their own religion?
Slandering people is the biggest sin, more than betting or drinking liquor. How come I do not hear you preaching to your idiotic Wahabi counterparts about the ethics of Islam?
Suicide Bombing has become nomeculture of your brand of Islam, how come I do not hear you speak out against that. Allah S.W.T. says, He gives life and He takes Life so what right do you all have to take life of the suicide bomber and others!
Why don't you speak out against the subjugation of women the way Prophet of Islam did?
Why don't you, Muslim First, speak out against the illiteracy your people are creating in Islamic states in order to oppress people and create suicide bombers and hatred against other faiths? How many times have we heard anajmi, the idiot, call Christians and jews, infidels.
Why haven't I heard from you about the good the Ismaili Imam is doing?
Please put the fire out under your feet before you go out to preach Islam.
As regards wine being served in hotels owned by my Imam, you have to remember that hotels are free enterprises and are partly owned by states and by other share holders or partners not by you or that idiot.
You cannot impose your beliefs on others. Look at your brand of Islam? Has it brought peace to you? I don't know about you but it certainly has not brought any peace to anajmi. I do not see anybody squirming the way he does. He reminds me of a blind snake sitthing in the forest or at the bottom of a pit! What a life!
What about the Protectors of Islam who own hotels all over the world and serve liquor in their hotels? What about the gambling they do in Casinos in the West and involve in prostitution and promote prostitution. Have you noticed how an Arab ogles and drools over a western woman? How pathetic!
As for anajmi, he is a lost cause and now I am really convinced he was raised in a gutter or dumped there.
I am surprised that you did not read my whole post. You read my post half. Please re-read where horse betting was going on and prizes were being given out.Africawala
I must disagree with you on horse racing.
Prophet participated in horse race but there is no evidence that betting was going on.
Your Hz. Imaam can indulge in horse racing so long as no betting is involved.
Yes, my Hazar Imam races horses, but he does not bet, that is what I am saying.
And as I stated, horse racing and other sports are sports, people bet on them and this cannot be stopped by you or the biggest pervert Anajmi . Let me know how you can stop people from betting on any kind of sports in the West and in the Middle East and Asia, apart from Saudi Arabia.Can you really stop betting? If the answer is no, then will you cancel all sports? If not then can you explain this to the biggest idiot on this board, who does not seem to understand anything but Wahabism and garbage attached to it. Why don't you do a good deed and wipe the gunk off of this skunk!Where do you people get off telling others how to practice Islam or how people of other faiths should conform to your interpretation of Islam. Where do you come off judging others. Didn't Allah S.W.T. say in the Qur'an to leave others to follow their own religion?
Slandering people is the biggest sin, more than betting or drinking liquor. How come I do not hear you preaching to your idiotic Wahabi counterparts about the ethics of Islam?
Suicide Bombing has become nomeculture of your brand of Islam, how come I do not hear you speak out against that. Allah S.W.T. says, He gives life and He takes Life so what right do you all have to take life of the suicide bomber and others!
Why don't you speak out against the subjugation of women the way Prophet of Islam did?
Why don't you, Muslim First, speak out against the illiteracy your people are creating in Islamic states in order to oppress people and create suicide bombers and hatred against other faiths? How many times have we heard anajmi, the idiot, call Christians and jews, infidels.
Why haven't I heard from you about the good the Ismaili Imam is doing?
Please put the fire out under your feet before you go out to preach Islam.
As regards wine being served in hotels owned by my Imam, you have to remember that hotels are free enterprises and are partly owned by states and by other share holders or partners not by you or that idiot.
You cannot impose your beliefs on others. Look at your brand of Islam? Has it brought peace to you? I don't know about you but it certainly has not brought any peace to anajmi. I do not see anybody squirming the way he does. He reminds me of a blind snake sitthing in the forest or at the bottom of a pit! What a life!
What about the Protectors of Islam who own hotels all over the world and serve liquor in their hotels? What about the gambling they do in Casinos in the West and involve in prostitution and promote prostitution. Have you noticed how an Arab ogles and drools over a western woman? How pathetic!
As for anajmi, he is a lost cause and now I am really convinced he was raised in a gutter or dumped there.
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Anajmi,
Hey, Pervert, did you know that Namaz is an old Pahalvi word for Fire Worshipping? Why would my Imam talk about Fire Worshipping?
On a serious note, we, Ismailis recite Du'a which means to supplicate, n'est ce pas? And how would you know anything about the teachings of our Imam? All you know about Ismailism is by sharing your bed with that whore, Akberally Mehrally.
Do you want me to quote ahadith on Hajj? Do you want to know what your bavaji, Al-Ghazzali has said about people like you, who seem to follow the pillars of Islam but are hypocrites like you?
When was the last time your wahabi fathers brought electricity, water or shelters in the Third World Countries?. For that matter, when was the last time you did anything with your own hands to help a needy person Tell the truth.
When was the last time you paid your Ushr or Khums? Or are you just getting away with 2.5% huh? Where in the Qur'an is Zakat prescribed as 2.5%?
Ah, and about the Salats. Sometime back you quoted Ayats prescribing 5 time prayers. Can you quote them again? I was busy overseas so I did not get a chance to respond. I am asking you because I am around for a couple of more days due to work being done in my house, and that is why I am trying to bit some sense into you.
Where did you, pervert, read that my Imam reads every hadith dealing with horse racing. Why do you make up your own lies. My Imam is not like you who needs ahadith that were put together 400 years after the Prophet. You guys need that and so I quoted it because you would not understand anything outside it.Africawala,
That is nice. Looks like your Imam read every hadith dealing with horse racing and none dealing with namaz, roza or Hajj.
Nice Imam to have.
Hey, Pervert, did you know that Namaz is an old Pahalvi word for Fire Worshipping? Why would my Imam talk about Fire Worshipping?
On a serious note, we, Ismailis recite Du'a which means to supplicate, n'est ce pas? And how would you know anything about the teachings of our Imam? All you know about Ismailism is by sharing your bed with that whore, Akberally Mehrally.
Do you want me to quote ahadith on Hajj? Do you want to know what your bavaji, Al-Ghazzali has said about people like you, who seem to follow the pillars of Islam but are hypocrites like you?
When was the last time your wahabi fathers brought electricity, water or shelters in the Third World Countries?. For that matter, when was the last time you did anything with your own hands to help a needy person Tell the truth.
When was the last time you paid your Ushr or Khums? Or are you just getting away with 2.5% huh? Where in the Qur'an is Zakat prescribed as 2.5%?
Ah, and about the Salats. Sometime back you quoted Ayats prescribing 5 time prayers. Can you quote them again? I was busy overseas so I did not get a chance to respond. I am asking you because I am around for a couple of more days due to work being done in my house, and that is why I am trying to bit some sense into you.
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Anajmi,
Where do you fit in here? You don't even fit in the peripheri!YUSUFALI: It is not righteousness that ye turn your faces Towards east or West; but it is righteousness- to believe in Allah and the Last Day, and the Angels, and the Book, and the Messengers; to spend of your substance, out of love for Him, for your kin, for orphans, for the needy, for the wayfarer, for those who ask, and for the ransom of slaves; to be steadfast in prayer, and practice regular charity; to fulfil the contracts which ye have made; and to be firm and patient, in pain (or suffering) and adversity, and throughout all periods of panic. Such are the people of truth, the Allah-fearing.
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Africawala,
Hey I am non-ismaili and I don't have a gambling/drinking/divorced Imam. I think that is a good start.
Hey I am non-ismaili and I don't have a gambling/drinking/divorced Imam. I think that is a good start.
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Anajmi,
Also, you do not need an Imam to pay your Ushr and Khums dues. You need common sense (in the bsence of an Imam), which (common sense) you don't have. I repeat, where in the Qur'an it mentions that you have to pay 2.5% as Zakat. You are too cheap to pay Ushr and Khums and that tells me you are an idiot sitting on Allah's property. No wonder you have no haqiati sense. You pathetic pervert. If you would pay to Allah what is due to Him, you would be a different person and not a piece of filth.
Now who is regurgiating? The good start is you are a non-Ismaili, thank heavens! Your kind of filth we can do without. Now, Why don't you answer my question? Where do you fit in? Nothing in that ayah points to you, a gutter mouth, to be part of it. Show me, where it mentions your beliefs of slandering, gutter mouth, encouraging Muslims to kill Christians and Jews, cheering suicide bombers, etc.?Hey I am non-ismaili and I don't have a gambling/drinking/divorced Imam. I think that is a good start.
Also, you do not need an Imam to pay your Ushr and Khums dues. You need common sense (in the bsence of an Imam), which (common sense) you don't have. I repeat, where in the Qur'an it mentions that you have to pay 2.5% as Zakat. You are too cheap to pay Ushr and Khums and that tells me you are an idiot sitting on Allah's property. No wonder you have no haqiati sense. You pathetic pervert. If you would pay to Allah what is due to Him, you would be a different person and not a piece of filth.
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Africawala,
Where in the quran does it mention that you can race horses?
Where in the quran does it mention that you can race horses?
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Africawala
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Pervert,
But according to Sahi Bokhari's ahadith, Prophet of Islam used to conduct rose horses
You, Pervert, recognise Sahi Bokhari's ahadith as your second Qur'an. You have preached on this site that Qur'an and ahadiths are the only way of Islam.
It does not mention in the Qur'an whether or not you can run horses! But it does mention to pay your Ushr and Khums, you cheap skate!Where in the quran does it mention that you can race horses?
But according to Sahi Bokhari's ahadith, Prophet of Islam used to conduct rose horses
You, Pervert, recognise Sahi Bokhari's ahadith as your second Qur'an. You have preached on this site that Qur'an and ahadiths are the only way of Islam.
Re: Birthday Madness
Looks like your Ismaili Imam is a wannabe wahabi following Sahih Bukhari.
Man looks like he is screwing you guys from both ends.
Man looks like he is screwing you guys from both ends.
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Besides can you tell me where in the quran Khums and Ushr is mentioned. Also let me know what they mean according to the gambling Ismaili Imam.
"Khums is one fifth of the “bootyâ€
"Khums is one fifth of the “bootyâ€
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Demented Pervert,
I did not even quote from the Ismaili site. What I quoted to you from islam.org Re-read the links I provided. Only you cheapstake can say "Khums" is from war booty because you do not want to give and that Ushr is from land produce. From what kind of war booty can Muslims contribute today - from guns and bombs? Do all Muslims now work on land? This was for then, not now. Please go re-read the link I provided - Ismailis are not the only ones paying these dues, PERVERT, all Shias, as you can see are required to pay them, including Bohoras.
These dues have made Ithanas, Ismailis and Bohoras intelligent people, and are able to live peacefully wherever they are. Even a million or so Bohoras are way ahead of you. Allah says he purifies us with what we give to him. Obviously, what you give has not purified you and that is why you sleep with a female dog. I can use your vocabulary here but I cannot stoop that low!
So why have you been avoiding Brother Accountability's questions? Can't answer it? What is the matter? It is too intelligent for a pea brain like you? You do not need pills, you need surgery to move your brain from south to north, but science has not reached that far. May be some Wahabi will get there sooner or latter because they have been regressing, instead of progressing.
I did not even quote from the Ismaili site. What I quoted to you from islam.org Re-read the links I provided. Only you cheapstake can say "Khums" is from war booty because you do not want to give and that Ushr is from land produce. From what kind of war booty can Muslims contribute today - from guns and bombs? Do all Muslims now work on land? This was for then, not now. Please go re-read the link I provided - Ismailis are not the only ones paying these dues, PERVERT, all Shias, as you can see are required to pay them, including Bohoras.
These dues have made Ithanas, Ismailis and Bohoras intelligent people, and are able to live peacefully wherever they are. Even a million or so Bohoras are way ahead of you. Allah says he purifies us with what we give to him. Obviously, what you give has not purified you and that is why you sleep with a female dog. I can use your vocabulary here but I cannot stoop that low!
So why have you been avoiding Brother Accountability's questions? Can't answer it? What is the matter? It is too intelligent for a pea brain like you? You do not need pills, you need surgery to move your brain from south to north, but science has not reached that far. May be some Wahabi will get there sooner or latter because they have been regressing, instead of progressing.
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Here's my question to you, how come when it comes to collecting money and racing horses, every hadith and quranic ayah is followed to the biggest advantage, but when it comes to namaz, roza and hajj, hadith, quran both go for a toss as wahabi wahabi wahabi.
One day I am going to go for a drink with your Imam, I will be drinking water of course, and I will ask him how did he find thousands of gullible idiots to follow him? You know what his reply is going to be? "Well, actually the gullible idiots found me!!"
One day I am going to go for a drink with your Imam, I will be drinking water of course, and I will ask him how did he find thousands of gullible idiots to follow him? You know what his reply is going to be? "Well, actually the gullible idiots found me!!"
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Another mistake, Allah says "zakat" is to purify our wealth. Besides, most of the times zakat is mentioned in the quran salah is mentioned alongside with it and mentioned more times in the quran. But your Imam reads what only benefits him materially.
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Anajmi,
I cannot even go into discussion with you about Salah (Isee you have evaded the old Pahlavi word Namaz, huh? what happened you got scared? ), Rozas and Hajj because you are very stupid. You will never understand.
Tell me one thing, where in Qur'an does it say to pray 5 times. I want you to quote those suras that you quoted to Hur.
And when did my Imam say not to fast or go for Hajj? He tells us to follow the principles and ethics of Islam. We are not stupid people that we need to have each and every line of Qur'an explained to us. We are told to use our intellect and read everything that would enhance our knowledge. Have you been give that choice?
If fewer Ismailis go for Hajj, then they have a reason for it. Majority of Ismailis fast, but they do not get up to fill their stomachs in the morning and they do not eat like there is never an end to it, the way you do, at the end of the day. They believe over-eating beats the purpose of rozas and is harmful to your health. They also believe that overeating prevents you from concentrating on your prayers.
Tell me who can perform Hajj? And tell me, the Prophet never told us to fly in air planes to go for Hajj. You were supposed to go walking and if you could not do so, you have to get on the back of the camels.
And did the Prophet tell us that when you go to throw stones at the sheitan, you just keep running without thinking of how many dead bodies you are going to trample on!!! Is this your Hajj? And how many Perverts go on Hajj every year! You want to go for Hajj, and I am not surprised! pervert, I am sure you are looking forward to it. Go to Saudi Embassy, they give you free tickets to people like you on welfare!
Tell me if Khums and Ushr is not mentioned, cheapskate! My present Imam has not prescribed it, the Qur'an has prescribed it, you pathetic jerk, going round and round in a circle like your female dog, chasing its tail.Another mistake, Allah says "zakat" is to purify our wealth. Besides, most of the times zakat is mentioned in the quran salah is mentioned alongside with it and mentioned more times in the quran. But your Imam reads what only benefits him materially.
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I cannot even go into discussion with you about Salah (Isee you have evaded the old Pahlavi word Namaz, huh? what happened you got scared? ), Rozas and Hajj because you are very stupid. You will never understand.
Tell me one thing, where in Qur'an does it say to pray 5 times. I want you to quote those suras that you quoted to Hur.
And when did my Imam say not to fast or go for Hajj? He tells us to follow the principles and ethics of Islam. We are not stupid people that we need to have each and every line of Qur'an explained to us. We are told to use our intellect and read everything that would enhance our knowledge. Have you been give that choice?
If fewer Ismailis go for Hajj, then they have a reason for it. Majority of Ismailis fast, but they do not get up to fill their stomachs in the morning and they do not eat like there is never an end to it, the way you do, at the end of the day. They believe over-eating beats the purpose of rozas and is harmful to your health. They also believe that overeating prevents you from concentrating on your prayers.
Tell me who can perform Hajj? And tell me, the Prophet never told us to fly in air planes to go for Hajj. You were supposed to go walking and if you could not do so, you have to get on the back of the camels.
And did the Prophet tell us that when you go to throw stones at the sheitan, you just keep running without thinking of how many dead bodies you are going to trample on!!! Is this your Hajj? And how many Perverts go on Hajj every year! You want to go for Hajj, and I am not surprised! pervert, I am sure you are looking forward to it. Go to Saudi Embassy, they give you free tickets to people like you on welfare!
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That is the perfect example of Ismaili intellect. No wonder the living Imam is taking the living idiots for a ride.Tell me who can perform Hajj? And tell me, the Prophet never told us to fly in air planes to go for Hajj. You were supposed to go walking and if you could not do so, you have to get on the back of the camels.
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Besides if you had been intelligent enough you would've read the post right above the one you quoted where I mentioned "namaz" and roza. Besides, the pahlavi fire worshipping crap is something that Ismailis have pulled out of their collective asses. 
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I found this on indiaculture.net
Looks like the Ismaili idiots have some competition.“Similarly the word ‘Namaz’ derives from two Sanskrit roots ‘Nama’ and ‘Yajna’ (NAMa yAJna) meaning bowing and worshipping.
Since the Kaaba has been an important centre of Shiva (Siva) worship from times immemorial, the Shivaratri festival used to be celebrated there with great gusto. It is that festival which is signified by the Islamic word Shabibarat. ..."
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Here is something else I like about the living Imam. When it comes to money, the Ismaili idiots are asked to pay up, but when it comes to namaz, roza and hajj the Ismaili idiots are asked to use their own intellect.
So what is he the Imam for? Collecting the money of course and, how could I forget, racing horses.
And when it comes to taken his idiot followers to heaven, again the Imam has made it clear that they ain't going to heaven, they are giving him the money for the sake of Allah and that is it.
I like the honesty of this living Imam. Like George Clooney says in the movie From Dusk Till Dawn - "I may be a b-s-ard but I am not a f--k-ng b-s-ard".
So what is he the Imam for? Collecting the money of course and, how could I forget, racing horses.
And when it comes to taken his idiot followers to heaven, again the Imam has made it clear that they ain't going to heaven, they are giving him the money for the sake of Allah and that is it.
I like the honesty of this living Imam. Like George Clooney says in the movie From Dusk Till Dawn - "I may be a b-s-ard but I am not a f--k-ng b-s-ard".