Role of Alleged CIA Asset in Mumbai Attacks Being Downplayed
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Botched Mumbai Arrest Highlights India's Intel Failures
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Sorry Sakina, my friend, for letting you down
By Ritika Ganguly, IANS,
I was on the phone with an old buddy from Delhi when the door bell rang, and I placed him on hold. He heard me thanking the visitor and guessed out loud if I was being pampered yet again by my neighbours. I suppose he had heard from my mother how much I was cared for in Bangalore where I am staying temporarily as a PhD researcher, how a hot meal on my table awaits me every time I get back into town from my field travels, that a list of my favourite foods is stuck on my next door neighbour's refrigerator, and that not a day goes by without being asked if everything is all right. When I sated his curiosity as to who "these people" were, he repeated, "Muslim family? Sweety, are you sure you're safe?"
My stunned silence he took as confirmation of his concern. He continued, "They don't enter the house when you're not around, do they?" and then said in a more jocular tone (except that he wasn't joking), "bomb to nahin banaa rahe hain tere ghar mein ghuskey? Why are they being so nice?" His worries, which he feels are genuine, are not isolated apprehensions, or coming from someone whose house has been used to make bombs, or out of any real experience of feeling "unsafe" around a Muslim. They are part of a set of constructed fears that demonise and exclude, that discriminate and victimise, that see anti-Muslim hostility as normal and even respectable, and that take all of five seconds to turn a "pampering", "caring" neighbour into a threat and a problem that the world has to deal with...
http://www.twocircles.net/2008dec11/sor ... _down.html
By Ritika Ganguly, IANS,
I was on the phone with an old buddy from Delhi when the door bell rang, and I placed him on hold. He heard me thanking the visitor and guessed out loud if I was being pampered yet again by my neighbours. I suppose he had heard from my mother how much I was cared for in Bangalore where I am staying temporarily as a PhD researcher, how a hot meal on my table awaits me every time I get back into town from my field travels, that a list of my favourite foods is stuck on my next door neighbour's refrigerator, and that not a day goes by without being asked if everything is all right. When I sated his curiosity as to who "these people" were, he repeated, "Muslim family? Sweety, are you sure you're safe?"
My stunned silence he took as confirmation of his concern. He continued, "They don't enter the house when you're not around, do they?" and then said in a more jocular tone (except that he wasn't joking), "bomb to nahin banaa rahe hain tere ghar mein ghuskey? Why are they being so nice?" His worries, which he feels are genuine, are not isolated apprehensions, or coming from someone whose house has been used to make bombs, or out of any real experience of feeling "unsafe" around a Muslim. They are part of a set of constructed fears that demonise and exclude, that discriminate and victimise, that see anti-Muslim hostility as normal and even respectable, and that take all of five seconds to turn a "pampering", "caring" neighbour into a threat and a problem that the world has to deal with...
http://www.twocircles.net/2008dec11/sor ... _down.html
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ESSAY: TERROR IN MUMBAI
9 Is Not 11(And November isn't September)
ARUNDHATI ROY
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The sayings of Hafiz Saeed, who founded the Lashkar-e-Toiba (Army of the Pure) in 1990 and who belongs to the hardline Salafi tradition of Islam, certainly bolster the case of Side A. Hafiz Saeed approves of suicide bombing, hates Jews, Shias and Democracy, and believes that jehad should be waged until Islam, his Islam, rules the world.
Among the things he has said are:
"There cannot be any peace while India remains intact. Cut them, cut them so much that they kneel before you and ask for mercy."
And, "India has shown us this path. We would like to give India a tit-for-tat response and reciprocate in the same way by killing the Hindus, just like it is killing the Muslims in Kashmir."
But where would Side A accommodate the sayings of Babu Bajrangi of Ahmedabad, India, who sees himself as a democrat, not a terrorist? He was one of the major lynchpins of the 2002 Gujarat genocide and has said (on camera):
"We didn't spare a single Muslim shop, we set everything on fire...we hacked, burned, set on fire...we believe in setting them on fire because these bastards don't want to be cremated, they're afraid of it.... I have just one last wish...let me be sentenced to death.... I don't care if I'm hanged...just give me two days before my hanging and I will go and have a field day in Juhapura where seven or eight lakhs of these people stay.... I will finish them off...let a few more of them die...at least twenty-five thousand to fifty thousand should die."
And where, in Side A's scheme of things, would we place the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh bible, We, or Our Nationhood Defined by M.S. Golwalkar 'Guruji', who became head of the RSS in 1944. It says:
"Ever since that evil day, when Moslems first landed in Hindustan, right up to the present moment, the Hindu Nation has been gallantly fighting on to take on these despoilers. The Race Spirit has been awakening."
Or:
"To keep up the purity of its race and culture, Germany shocked the world by her purging the country of the Semitic races—the Jews. Race pride at its highest has been manifested here...a good lesson for us in Hindustan to learn and profit by."
Of course, Muslims are not the only people in the gun sights of the Hindu Right. Dalits have been consistently targeted. Recently in Kandhamal in Orissa, Christians were the target of two-and-a-half months of violence which left more than 40 dead. Forty thousand people have been driven from their homes, half of whom now live in refugee camps. ...
http://outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodnam ... sid=1&pn=1
9 Is Not 11(And November isn't September)
ARUNDHATI ROY
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The sayings of Hafiz Saeed, who founded the Lashkar-e-Toiba (Army of the Pure) in 1990 and who belongs to the hardline Salafi tradition of Islam, certainly bolster the case of Side A. Hafiz Saeed approves of suicide bombing, hates Jews, Shias and Democracy, and believes that jehad should be waged until Islam, his Islam, rules the world.
Among the things he has said are:
"There cannot be any peace while India remains intact. Cut them, cut them so much that they kneel before you and ask for mercy."
And, "India has shown us this path. We would like to give India a tit-for-tat response and reciprocate in the same way by killing the Hindus, just like it is killing the Muslims in Kashmir."
But where would Side A accommodate the sayings of Babu Bajrangi of Ahmedabad, India, who sees himself as a democrat, not a terrorist? He was one of the major lynchpins of the 2002 Gujarat genocide and has said (on camera):
"We didn't spare a single Muslim shop, we set everything on fire...we hacked, burned, set on fire...we believe in setting them on fire because these bastards don't want to be cremated, they're afraid of it.... I have just one last wish...let me be sentenced to death.... I don't care if I'm hanged...just give me two days before my hanging and I will go and have a field day in Juhapura where seven or eight lakhs of these people stay.... I will finish them off...let a few more of them die...at least twenty-five thousand to fifty thousand should die."
And where, in Side A's scheme of things, would we place the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh bible, We, or Our Nationhood Defined by M.S. Golwalkar 'Guruji', who became head of the RSS in 1944. It says:
"Ever since that evil day, when Moslems first landed in Hindustan, right up to the present moment, the Hindu Nation has been gallantly fighting on to take on these despoilers. The Race Spirit has been awakening."
Or:
"To keep up the purity of its race and culture, Germany shocked the world by her purging the country of the Semitic races—the Jews. Race pride at its highest has been manifested here...a good lesson for us in Hindustan to learn and profit by."
Of course, Muslims are not the only people in the gun sights of the Hindu Right. Dalits have been consistently targeted. Recently in Kandhamal in Orissa, Christians were the target of two-and-a-half months of violence which left more than 40 dead. Forty thousand people have been driven from their homes, half of whom now live in refugee camps. ...
http://outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodnam ... sid=1&pn=1
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Yet another one of her many incoherent rants. Arundhati Roy has a knack for rambling on without ever making a point.
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Average,
I for one found it insightful. There is no doubting shes an incredible novelist, it just takes her more pages to get around to a point.
I for one found it insightful. There is no doubting shes an incredible novelist, it just takes her more pages to get around to a point.
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MEDIA MATTERS
Shock And Awe
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The talk shows are worse and their effect even more serious. Suggestions of war and carpet bombing and gun ownership are aired regularly and with impunity. Enough is enough chant the divas. Enough of what exactly is enough? This is a country where the wealth of 40 people equals 30 percent of our $1 trillion national income and 77 percent live under Rs.20 a day. Enough is enough, surely. But it was not so, until very recently.
In shock (and awe) I watched the other day a rather shrill (and ill-informed) host ask her guests why the Pakistani civil society is not standing by us in this hour of need. Oh really? Do we stand behind them when unmanned US drones kill innocent civilians everyday? Did we stand behind the children who had their limbs blown off on their way to school? Did we stand behind the people of Bajaur who became refugees in their own country?
http://outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodnam ... anya&sid=1
Shock And Awe
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The talk shows are worse and their effect even more serious. Suggestions of war and carpet bombing and gun ownership are aired regularly and with impunity. Enough is enough chant the divas. Enough of what exactly is enough? This is a country where the wealth of 40 people equals 30 percent of our $1 trillion national income and 77 percent live under Rs.20 a day. Enough is enough, surely. But it was not so, until very recently.
In shock (and awe) I watched the other day a rather shrill (and ill-informed) host ask her guests why the Pakistani civil society is not standing by us in this hour of need. Oh really? Do we stand behind them when unmanned US drones kill innocent civilians everyday? Did we stand behind the children who had their limbs blown off on their way to school? Did we stand behind the people of Bajaur who became refugees in their own country?
http://outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodnam ... anya&sid=1
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If you believe that "US drones kill innocent civilians [in Pakistan] everyday" then the ill-informed talk shows this article refers to is directly aimed at you Feelgud.
Then this writer goes off on a tangent and speaks of “ a country where the wealth of 40 people equals 30 percent of our $1 trillion national income and 77 percent live under Rs.20 a day. Enough is enough, surely. But it was not so, until very recently.”
How many jobs are created by the wealth of the 40 people ? He does not address that. This scenario is typical in the early stages of a socialistic system trying to open up its economy. I am assuming he prefers that everyone make Rs. 3 a day and that the national income be divided equally. You may want to tell him that Russia and China have already tried that. Why reinvent the wheel that broke ?
This analogy is totally irrelevant since Indian Hindus were not responsible for these acts. I don't need to tell you what would have happened in Pakistan had the situation been reversed and Indian Hindus had carried out a similar attack in Pakistan.In shock (and awe) I watched the other day a rather shrill (and ill-informed) host ask her guests why the Pakistani civil society is not standing by us in this hour of need. Oh really? Do we stand behind them when unmanned US drones kill innocent civilians everyday? Did we stand behind the children who had their limbs blown off on their way to school? Did we stand behind the people of Bajaur who became refugees in their own country?
Then this writer goes off on a tangent and speaks of “ a country where the wealth of 40 people equals 30 percent of our $1 trillion national income and 77 percent live under Rs.20 a day. Enough is enough, surely. But it was not so, until very recently.”
How many jobs are created by the wealth of the 40 people ? He does not address that. This scenario is typical in the early stages of a socialistic system trying to open up its economy. I am assuming he prefers that everyone make Rs. 3 a day and that the national income be divided equally. You may want to tell him that Russia and China have already tried that. Why reinvent the wheel that broke ?
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The father of the survived Mumbai terrorist has said in an interview that his son left him because he could not provide him new cloth on Eid. So the root cause of the problem is poverty. It would have been better if money spent on war and security could have spent on reducing poverty in this way less terrorists were born. It is immaterial whether the wealth is in few or many hands. It is poverty which matter ---- basic needs.
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Ab
these two paragraphs of the article are in the continuance of the discussions going on in the media.
The given argument should be taken in response to those who suggested to wage a war on pakistan.Other sophisticated intellectual suggested that India must invade on terror camps.Shekhar gupta rightly answered this two by saying that US is already doing this with its full military capacity but terrorist are still functioning and these attacks are just killing innocent civilians.Moreover A country like India can not afford a war with a nuclear power specially in the season of ''mandi''.
Next is ,why do we expect pakistani civil society to stand with us when we never supported them in the past in the same situations and targetted by the same armies.Surely the entire pakistan is not responsible for this henious act done in Mumbai.
these two paragraphs of the article are in the continuance of the discussions going on in the media.
The given argument should be taken in response to those who suggested to wage a war on pakistan.Other sophisticated intellectual suggested that India must invade on terror camps.Shekhar gupta rightly answered this two by saying that US is already doing this with its full military capacity but terrorist are still functioning and these attacks are just killing innocent civilians.Moreover A country like India can not afford a war with a nuclear power specially in the season of ''mandi''.
Next is ,why do we expect pakistani civil society to stand with us when we never supported them in the past in the same situations and targetted by the same armies.Surely the entire pakistan is not responsible for this henious act done in Mumbai.
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If people in the West, experience poverty as being experienced by the third world masses,
they will probably kill each other and eat their flash. By this, I am not trying to justifying terrorism but this is all about fact of life.
they will probably kill each other and eat their flash. By this, I am not trying to justifying terrorism but this is all about fact of life.
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Feelgud,why do we expect pakistani civil society to stand with us when we never supported them in the past in the same situations and targetted by the same armies.Surely the entire pakistan is not responsible for this henious act done in Mumbai.
You are being intellectually dishonest. What “same situations” and “same armies” ? Can you cite an example of Indian sponsored terrorists creating mayhem in Pakistan targeting civilians ? There is no moral equivalence here.
Jaman,If people in the West, experience poverty as being experienced by the third world masses, they will probably kill each other and eat their flash. By this, I am not trying to justifying terrorism but this is all about fact of life.
You are not only justifying terrorism and diminishing poverty , but also being an apologist. Poverty does not breed terrorism, Islamic extremism does.
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AB
People in the West would not understand terrorism without realizing the misery and poverty of the third world. Never ever they have tried to understand the root cause of terrorism. These mercenaries were Mujahedeen’s while working for their interest and terrorists when working against their interest
People in the West would not understand terrorism without realizing the misery and poverty of the third world. Never ever they have tried to understand the root cause of terrorism. These mercenaries were Mujahedeen’s while working for their interest and terrorists when working against their interest
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AB,
Its all about 'my proof is more valid than yours' kind of things.
Just for the sake of illustrations plz check below,names and the charges against the :
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/tit-tat- ... ed-persons
Its all about 'my proof is more valid than yours' kind of things.
Just for the sake of illustrations plz check below,names and the charges against the :
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/tit-tat- ... ed-persons
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Chhota rajan, Babloo Srivastava... are Dawood's betrayers now wanted by Pakistan ???
Seems Dawood is running Pakistan.
Seems Dawood is running Pakistan.
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Dear JMjamanpasand wrote:AB
People in the West would not understand terrorism without realizing the misery and poverty of the third world. Never ever they have tried to understand the root cause of terrorism. These mercenaries were Mujahedeen’s while working for their interest and terrorists when working against their interest
I think this is a very unfortunate description of the West. America and American people are known to be the biggest philonthropists. Warren Buffett, Bill Gates and Ted Turner and there are many more Whenever earthquake or tsunami or any natural disasters have occured, American public have always been generous in helping the people. Yes American administration has been biased when it comes to Muslim intrests but look at the Muslim rulers (I used rulers since there are no true democracies in Muslim world) what have they done for masses. Most of the rulers are the paid servants of the CIA
Even government within government like Kothar, what have they done. Most of misery and poverty on the 3rd world and specially Muslim world is brought upon by the ruthless rulers and ignorant followers. We Muslims have atleast one thing in common, we always blame some one else for our problems even WE DONOT LEAVE ALMIGHTY ALLAH OUT OF THIS.IF EVERYTHING FAILS WE BLAME HIM BY SAYING THAT IT IS ALLAH'S WILL...
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How the West lost us
If the American media rushed to internationalize 9/11, they seemed to be in an equal hurry to domesticize 26/11, as if “terror” is something that happens regularly in India, like water problems, or sly airport touts. VAMSEE JULURI presents a critique of media coverage of the Mumbai attacks. Pix, Huffington Post.
http://www.thehoot.org/web/home/story.p ... valid=true
If the American media rushed to internationalize 9/11, they seemed to be in an equal hurry to domesticize 26/11, as if “terror” is something that happens regularly in India, like water problems, or sly airport touts. VAMSEE JULURI presents a critique of media coverage of the Mumbai attacks. Pix, Huffington Post.
http://www.thehoot.org/web/home/story.p ... valid=true
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Quote from Yahoo Malumaat group
I was with my son Yusuf at the Taj Tower room Number 1407. We decided
to have dinner at 8:30 pm. After we finished our dinner my son said
that he would like to go to the rest room. As soon as he left the
bullets started from AK47 very close to my table. A wouded man came
running. He held my hand, He was profusely bleeding. We all ran to the
garden. There were over 50 people. There were four Mumineen couples
with us. The Mumineen send a Doa message to Moula (TUS) through Mukasir
Saheb D.M. Miraculously we all were saved. I met my son Yusuf after 12
hours.
Please note that it is the Miracle of Moulana Muhammad Burhanuddin TUS.
We pray for his long long life with Sehat ta Roze Qiyamat. Ameen.
Please go to google and type my name Yahya Safdari for more details.
Abde Syedna TUS
Yahya
CAN SOME ONE ASK THIS BOZO WHY AQA MOULA DIDNOT DO DUA TO SAVE OTHER BOHRA COUPLE NEAR
NARIMAN HOUSE WHO WERE KILLED AND HOW ABOUT HIS OWN SHEZADA SHABBIR BS WHO WAS
SERIOUSLY INJURED some selected duas for selected people HA HA HA........
I was with my son Yusuf at the Taj Tower room Number 1407. We decided
to have dinner at 8:30 pm. After we finished our dinner my son said
that he would like to go to the rest room. As soon as he left the
bullets started from AK47 very close to my table. A wouded man came
running. He held my hand, He was profusely bleeding. We all ran to the
garden. There were over 50 people. There were four Mumineen couples
with us. The Mumineen send a Doa message to Moula (TUS) through Mukasir
Saheb D.M. Miraculously we all were saved. I met my son Yusuf after 12
hours.
Please note that it is the Miracle of Moulana Muhammad Burhanuddin TUS.
We pray for his long long life with Sehat ta Roze Qiyamat. Ameen.
Please go to google and type my name Yahya Safdari for more details.
Abde Syedna TUS
Yahya
CAN SOME ONE ASK THIS BOZO WHY AQA MOULA DIDNOT DO DUA TO SAVE OTHER BOHRA COUPLE NEAR
NARIMAN HOUSE WHO WERE KILLED AND HOW ABOUT HIS OWN SHEZADA SHABBIR BS WHO WAS
SERIOUSLY INJURED some selected duas for selected people HA HA HA........
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But raw capitalism has produced Bernard Madoff ilks. Who embezzled 50 billion dollars without being noticed by neo capitalist wall street regulators. 50 billion dollars equal to whole african continent GDP for 10 years.This scenario is typical in the early stages of a socialistic system trying to open up its economy.
Capitalism was responsible for 30's depression, which ended in world war II. Now capitalsim will be responsible for another depression in 21st century.
I was reading a very intresting article in congressional library archives, which predicts 24th century world. While there are human colonies scattered all around our galaxy, they also predict no money system. That is socialism. There were no more billionaires in that scenario. Isn't it intresting.
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WHO KILLED KARKARE?
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The other account is equally dubious. In his first account, Jadhav said Karkare was in the second row of the Qualis, while in the second he was supposed to be in the front row with Kamte. In the second account, Salaskar was initially sitting behind the driver, but then asked the driver to slow down and got behind the wheel himself: is it plausible that an experienced encounter specialist would deliberately make himself into a sitting duck like this when they were in hot pursuit of terrorists? In the first account they were supposed to be going to check up on their injured colleague Sadanand Date, but in the second were supposed to be looking for a red car in which they had been told the gunmen were travelling. If the report about the red car was a decoy to lure them into an ambush, it is important to know who told them that the terrorists were in a red car. If the gunmen were firing from the left side, as Jadhav claimed, how was Karkare hit three times in the chest while Jadhav himself got two bullets in his right arm? Also, the only vegetation in that part of the lane has wire netting around it, and it would be hard for anyone to hide behind it. How did two terrorists manage to kill six police personnel, including Karkare and Kamte who he said were armed with AK47s and Salaskar, an encounter specialist who had confronted and killed dozens of dangerous criminals, without getting seriously injured themselves?
http://countercurrents.org/rh081208.htm
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The other account is equally dubious. In his first account, Jadhav said Karkare was in the second row of the Qualis, while in the second he was supposed to be in the front row with Kamte. In the second account, Salaskar was initially sitting behind the driver, but then asked the driver to slow down and got behind the wheel himself: is it plausible that an experienced encounter specialist would deliberately make himself into a sitting duck like this when they were in hot pursuit of terrorists? In the first account they were supposed to be going to check up on their injured colleague Sadanand Date, but in the second were supposed to be looking for a red car in which they had been told the gunmen were travelling. If the report about the red car was a decoy to lure them into an ambush, it is important to know who told them that the terrorists were in a red car. If the gunmen were firing from the left side, as Jadhav claimed, how was Karkare hit three times in the chest while Jadhav himself got two bullets in his right arm? Also, the only vegetation in that part of the lane has wire netting around it, and it would be hard for anyone to hide behind it. How did two terrorists manage to kill six police personnel, including Karkare and Kamte who he said were armed with AK47s and Salaskar, an encounter specialist who had confronted and killed dozens of dangerous criminals, without getting seriously injured themselves?
http://countercurrents.org/rh081208.htm