Any explanation?

[S. Insaf]

Any explanation so that we can at least remember Sayedna Saheb as a benevolent dictator?

From Newspaper cuttings in my possession I know that:
Late Sayedna Taher Saifuddin Saheb had announced the following jumbo projects and in their name had collected huge sum of money from the community by floating shares:-

1) Udaipur-Galiakot Railway line
2) Safe Co-operative Bank
3) Golden Jubilee Saifee Technological Institute
4) Asian Electronics Ltd.
5) Asian Dehydrate Ltd.
6) Bombay Paints and Supplies
7) Sultan Brother Film Financing Co.
Malbar Hill Construction Co.
9) Ambassador Hotel
10) Leader Press and
11) 12 different industries in Pakistan and Dubai.

Present Sayedna Mohammad Burhanuddin Saheb had announced:-

1) Rs. 21 lakh for beatification of Bhindi Bazar area,
2) Rs. One lakh per year for any one for outstanding work for Communal Harmony
3) Academy of Islamic and Arabic Studies – a 14-story building to be set up beside Rozat-Tahera in Bombay
4) Rs. 21 lakh personal donation to Anjuman-e-Islam
5) His Holiness Dr. Syedna Taher Saifuddin Memorial Foundation with specific aim “To work for the upliftment of the poor, advancement of education and learning, medical relief, advancement in agricultural farming and advancement of objects of public utility.
6) Purchase of Sandoz House and Kodak House to fulfill the above aims.
7) Saifee Hospital for free-treatment of members of Dawoodi Bohra Community.

All these Jumbo Projects which were announced with great publicity for the benefit of the Dawoodi Bohras and humanity at large are no where to be seen today.

The only achievement of Sayedna Burhanuddin Saheb projected in the paid advertisements in the newspapers all over is construction of Marble Mausoleum of Rozat-Tahera.

Will some responsible person from Sayedna Saheb’s establishment explain the reasons?

[East Africawalla]

During the time of Syedna Burhannudin and his leadership there has been the following achievements

- Mosques built around world - Hundreds
- Schoolsand Madressas around the world - Hundreds
- New Busineses grown and existing busineses thriving within Bohras with Qarza Hassana money
- Community very united under his leadership
- Closer contact between community members from different countries die to Ashara get together
- Bohras are respected around the world by heads of states
- etc etc etc

[SBM]

Here he goes again the brain dead EAW
S INSAF ASKED FOR THE NAMES DO NOT GIVE THIS BULL**** WITH HUNDREDS, NAME THEM AND HOW THEY ARE BENEFITING THE POOR BOHRAS,
Saifee High School is helping the rich Memon community, Saifee Hospital which took so many UNITS from the Bohras all over world to build including Rs. 52 Crore from Dahodwala (NOT FROM SYEDNA OR HIS SHAZADA) is hardly helping poor Bohra.
SO EAW start naming or just ask you Kothari accountants to publish the quarterly financial reports from all the Jamaats including Dawat E Hadiyah and that will be the most transparent. CAN YOU DEAD BRAIN UNDERSTAND THAT.......

[East Africawalla]

Omabhai,

Why the Gaalis mate ?

Under the leadership of Syedna Burhannuddin only in UK the following mosques have been built - London, Manchester, Bradford, Birmingham in planning, Leicester in planning
In East Africa - Daerssalaam, Mombasa, Nairobi
Usa - Houston
Canada - Toronto
Schools - London , BRADFORD, Birmingham/Manchester/Leicester Maddressa
Schhols in Nairobi/Dar/Tanga/MOMBASA
DISPENSARIES IN Tanga/DAR/Mombasa/Nairobi

Do you want more or you will resort to more Gaalis

[broadminded]

one point of clarification..the mosques mentioned were built by local contribution and received didly squat from the HO.

[SBM]

EAW
Once again you showed your ignorance. NONE OF THE STRUCTURES YOU MENTIONED ARE BUILT BY SYEDNA'S OWN MONEY
THERE WERE UNITS WHICH EVERY JAMAAT MEMBER HAD TO PAY AND ONCE IT WAS BUILT,---- SYEDNA AND HIS GOONS TOOK CONTROL BY "WAQAF" and without Waqaf to Syedna no Bohra(Mumineen=Abdes) was allowed to pray or associate with it
You very cleverly avoided about Saifee High School and Saifee Hospital (How many Units did you contribute towards Saifee Hospital) and if you did and since you are ABDE you had to do what your Masters asked you to do. Ask African Blacks how they danced to the tunes of their White MASTERS when slavery was prevalent in East Africa (same things Mumineen aka Abdes are doing to the White Yamani Masters in Saifee Mahal)

[East Africawalla]

You ignarant fool, they are not Yemenis

All this mosques/schools/dispensaries were built under Syednas leadership - dont you get it

How many schools/mosques have your guys built under no leadership ?

[SBM]

EAW Quote
"You ignarant fool, they are not Yemenis"
This is what you learned in Sabak, Do not you recite Syedna Hatim's Darees. Dawat was in Yemen and then they migrated to
Ahmedabad and finally took over Sir Adamjee Peerbhoy's property in Mumbai SO THEIR ROOT IS STILL IN YEMEN.JUST LIKE
PEOPLE WHO MIGRATED FROM ASIA TO USA ARE STILL KNOWN AS ASIAN AMERICAN.
Get back to your Aamil and start learning proper lessons......

[Al Zulfiqar]

a couple of points:

Bhai Oma,

neither the dai's of the past starting from syedna dawood in india down to the present syedna and his family are yemenis. in fact the bohras had rebelled against the yemeni syedna suleiman, who had been sent from yemen as per prevailing practice, and had installed syedna dawood as their dai.

syedna dawood and all subsequent dai's are from the gujrati hindu vohra community who had converted to our sect commencing from bharmal and tarmal, ministers and community leaders in the court of raja siddhraj jaisingh. that is why we are called bohras, a mutation of the original word 'vohra'. all the dai's since then are hindu converts and we are all pucca vaniya's. that is why we still retain customs like paan-supari, vadhawanu, cheda-chedi - tying of knot in weddings, mithu monh - etc etc. the attempts of the last 2 syednas to portray themselves as arabs and direct descendants of the prophet by using a stupid language called dawat ni zaban, using arabic props and symbols etc. are all extremely laughable and pathetic.

eaw,

you conveniently side-stepped the question of bhai insaf re: all those promised institutes and instead keep repeating the nonsense about masjids and madrassas (which are not full-fledged schools imparting secular education, but rather deeniyat classes used to brainwash our young generation) located inside the markaz's in most cases.

as for the masjids built under the leadership of this syedna, what is there to be proud about when almost 50% of the funds collected from the community for each masjid are siphoned off into their pockets without any accounts?? if this same leadership can take the credit for motivating the community to build masjids and markaz's, why cant it motivate them to build schools of repute, universities, homes for orphans and widows? by climbing on a rooftop and shouting lies again and again, those lies will not magically turn into truths. truth requires hard facts and figures, not shouting and creating diversions to hide lies, or accusing yr detractors of being stupid, narrow minded etc and name calling.

as for the qarze hasanah schemes, all the evidence shows that in the majority of the towns, these funds are being used by committee members and their families and are being distributed by corruption and nepotism. it is not reaching the most deserving. i know of dozens of people in several cities in india and north america who were denied the benefit, whereas fatcats in the jamaat comittees are taking the benefit secretly and enriching themselves.

to get back to the point. if u do not have a sensible reply to the points raised by Insafbhai, then either admit yr shame or keep quiet. by raising issues extraneous to the topic, u are only showing yr desperation in hiding the truth.

[Maqbool]

Dear EAW,

The name of the mosque you have mentioned is made under the leadership of Sayedna, Agreed.

Will you please be honest and inform the public that how much salam is collected by the Sayedna for opening the mosque. Since it is a public property and a house of Allah don’t you think that it should be opened without any funfair and taking hefty salams, that to after a heavy bargain!!

[like_minded]

Its laughable isn't it? First... building mosques, of course with public money, then taking full credit for it including ownership and finally... taking a huge sum for its opening!!! What a racket!

Its a shame that we let such people rule us!

[Anwar]

Dugu, (Br.)EAW
A madrassa is not a school where one gets any knowledge other than Bohraism, not even Islam. We have a few around beeing run by some on voluntary basis from peoples home, so dont come and tell anybody your molua has made schools when you mean madrassas for spreading bohraism. Ca you please say, how many teachers get their salary from your moula TUS? Tell me, even from your own institutions , Jamias, like in Surat, Karachi, etc, what degree courses can you study?
Do you know of anyblody who has been to these "Jamia" and got employment, other than amils and mullas for spreading more brainwashing stuff for gadha bohras? I personally know of person who has been there and stopped.
PLEASE name just a couple SCHOOLS or educational institutions, forget 100 that you so proudly think of.
What mosque are you talking about? Which world are you living in? Wake up and open up your eyes. The mosques you name are ALL build by public money, collected by force or intimiditation. How do I know? cos I have gadha friends who pay and then complain and moan.
like-minded, writes" building mosques, of course with public money, then taking full credit for it including ownership and finally... taking a huge sum for its opening!!! What a racket! ", NO it is not a racket, it is GOOD business. Kothat should be given a Nobel price in economy for inventing such a money making business. Or may be they should have a new catagory in Nobel price in innovation.
I can go on and on.

[Smart]

Irrespective of what STD Bohras like EAW say, I would like to add my two penny worth of information on one institution which existed about 40 years ago. It was the hostel in the campus of the Badriyah School, Poona. This hostel helped a large number of Bohras to came to Poona for higher education. A large number of Bohras, especially from Africa studied here.

This hostel was closed in the regime of the present Syedna and in its place a commercial complex with a hall called Evane Saifee came up. Almost all the shops were sold off to Marwaris, for commercial consideration.

An institution useful to the community was closed and replaced by a money making racket. As is expected nobody knows the extent of the money being made in the process.

I am sure such destruction of institutions is rampant all over. Others can surely contribute similar examples.

[S. Insaf]

Same is with one student hostel by name "Darul Eqamtus Saifia in Santacruz Bombay which was built by M/s Jafarjee Bro. during Sayedna Abde Ali Saheb's time and donated to the community. A had stayed in this hostel in 1957 for 8 month during my school education. The same was demolished by late Sayedna Taher Saifuddin Saheb a building knwn as "Al-Hasnat" now stands in its place.

[S. Insaf]

Please read as - I had stayed in this hostel......

[Al Zulfiqar]

smart, are you from poona?

i know about this hostel and madrassa very well. my father was educated there and later was one of its trustees. the madras-e-badriyah, inspite of severe funding difficulties, had until the 60's an excellent academic record and churned out some top state level achievers in the SSC exams.

not a paisa for that school was ever recd from bombay and the committee members had to contribute from their own pockets plus go around with a begging bowl every year and collect donations from wealthy bohras and even the hindu gujrati and marwaris who had businesses around the school. the school charged very little fees as many poor bohra and sunni muslims got excellent education there. my own sisters did their schooling in this madrassa.

when the land around the masjid, jamaatkhana and madrassa got developed in the 50's, the kothar saw an opportunity to make money, demolished the hostel, built 2 halls, and several commercial buildings on all sides. as smart has mentioned, the strange thing you will observe is that the majority of shops there are occupied by marwaris!! when there were hundreds of bohras willing to pay and buy shops, they were bypassed. why? so that the kothar could get hefty under-the-table pagrees which they pocketed illegally.

the situation with our comunity today is that there are thousands of such examples and evidences staring them in the face, yet no one bothers to look closely and analyse or pay attention. all it takes is to read a bit between the lines. yet no one wants to take the time?

[Smart]

@AZ
Thanks for validating my post.

Well, EAW, what do you have to say?

[Maqbool]

Dear EAW,

Where are you?

You have not replied questions rose. I know you have no answer and even if you reply you will mislead the mumenis.

Now let us come to the main topic insaf has raised again.

Insaf has mentioned two companies Asian Electronics Ltd. And Asian Dehydrate Ltd.

These two companies has gone in to liquidation and sold. The promoters of this companies where Sayedna and his shezadas. Lots of money of mumenins where invested in these companies. Here no dua or barakat has come to help the company to survive.

The Asian dehydrate, one big consignment where rejected by Russia and after that the machinery of company where destroyed by fire. The sayedna could not show a miracle and not saved the company. In this company’s annual report it is mentioned that directors (All shezadas) has given a loan to the company on interest. Being directors they have taken this money. It means the Shezadas have given and taken money on interests. Of course at that time interest was halal it becomes haram after sell of this companies.

The Asian Electronics were making loss and at last it was sold. To day it is the finest company in India and gives good dividend. Here also it proves that the dua and barakat is all gimmick to control gullible. The company works on hard work and with good management. The Shazadas are all lazy and trained to earn haram ni Kamai can not work hard and the dua can not save this type of companies.

Will the gullible bohras learn from this!!

[East Africawalla]

Apologies could not reply earlier, was busy with majlis /relay etc, in business you win some you lose some, unfortunately this 2 businesses failed.

Why do you think Shahzadas should not invest in any business ?

They are investing in a lot of others and those are thriving.

[Al Zulfiqar]

bros. smart, maqbool and others,

from the replies of the blind abdes it should be clear to you that with them it is like this:

tails they win, heads you lose...

kuttey ki dum tedhi to tedhi,

so why waste yr precious time with such people? even if you hammer them into the ground they will still stick one finger outside and claim a victory..! miyabhai ni taang unchi te unchij rehvani..!!

[Anwar]

This EAW wrote, and I paste his post just to refreash his memory, if he got any in that head of his.
"During the time of Syedna Burhannudin and his leadership there has been the following achievements

- Mosques built around world - Hundreds
- Schoolsand Madressas around the world - Hundreds
- New Busineses grown and existing busineses thriving within Bohras with Qarza Hassana money
- Community very united under his leadership
- Closer contact between community members from different countries die to Ashara get together
- Bohras are respected around the world by heads of states
- etc etc etc"

Just a couple of names would do , which mosque, schools or educational institution which he build by his money?
please Dugu, (Br) name a couple successfull businesses.
Concerning Qarza Hassan money, give few details of how its distrubuted, and to whom and under what conditions?
What do you have to say about this interest taking and giving by your Bwana shehzadas? Or may be they are escluded from your doctrine of not giving/taking intrest?
You are leaving in EA, are you living in the jungles? You know what that would make you, a junglee.

[Maqbool]

Dear EAW,

Either you are politician or dump. You think that every body will believe on this board the way you are beliving, a night as day when you are told by the shazada class.

I have asked you that how much salam is charged by sayedna for opening of the mosque.
You are well aware that the cost of opening of mosque is equal to building a mosque. I am failed to understand why you are hiding this facts. Are you a beneficiary?

Regarding shazada doing business is a very good thing and if they are doing it, it will be a welcome step, the botheration of the community will be relieved. Here the question is not doing business, it is with the blessing of Sayedna and that too it fails. Please re read my write-up again.

Why you have totally ignored the interest matter. Hop you will clarify!

[like_minded]

Why do you think Shahzadas should not invest in any business ?[/b

And whose money are they investing?? That's a big question, isn't it? It's public money, collected out of force and false promises, which is being invested in various businesses world over..

[like_minded]

Talk of businesses, Kothar has loads of real estate in Bangalore, Prime localities like MG Road, Brigade Road, Airport Road and many more. . They have stakes in blue chip companies in India in form of shares, Its obvious isn't it... Public money being misused by these robbers!

[like_minded]

It is also a known fact that the aamil of Bangalore, Shk.Zohair Qasimally Shakir is worth 150-200 crores!! Its unbelievable but true! This thief has gone unchecked for nearly 1 decade, More so in Bangalore, where he is currently enjoying his 7th year.

An ordinary aamil is worth 200 crores, imagine these shahzadas and kothar on the whole!! Who have properties, businesses, black money, diamonds, gold and cash... what would they be worth??? And these guys are supposed to be spiritual, righteous !!! What a joke!

[voice]

If BJP wins as per its manifesto we will come to know details of black money in Swiss bank. Kothars must be praying for its defeat by Slaughter and Walking and Crawling etc.

[mutmaeen]

lm can u substantiate as to how did u arrive at the gross worth of bangalore amil?

[broadminded]

Before his appointment in Bangalore, shk Zuhair Qasimali was a resident Amil of Toronto..He was a bully who accumulated a ton of wealth. His philiosphy, religion & communication was based around $$$. No one liked him and when complaints poured in, he was transferred. Head office Admin makes sure that the community is happy with their amil (especially overseass) or they will retaliate and wont pay up left right & centre.

[like_minded]

lm can u substantiate as to how did u arrive at the gross worth of bangalore amil?

He's got property worth 80 crores in Bangalore alone, Acres and acres of land near the International airport Devanahalli, Near Gottigere where the new mosque is located, He's got many apartments around south and central Bangalore, which fetches him huge rents...

Besides Bangalore, He has invested his haraam ni kamaai in Mumbai too, one can imagine the cost of real estate in Mumbai.. .

150-200 crores is a conservative estimate, This thief could be worth much more.....

[mutmaeen]

is it true that everyone who intends to do a niyaaz in bagalore has to engage only a particular caterer?