Maula in Karbala

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Maula in Karbala

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Unread post by ammar » Sun Oct 11, 2009 8:47 am

Hi and salams to all,

I see that Maula has doing ziyarat in najaf and visited few kabr mubaraks

I want to know who is Maulana Rushaid al hajari?

Who is he?

also who is Maulana Mesam al Tammar?

thanks

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Unread post by Hussain_KSA » Sun Oct 11, 2009 10:33 am

Janab Mesum-E-Tammar was a sahabi of Imam Ali (A.S). His Kunniyath was Abu Salem. He use to sell dates and on this account he was known as Mesum-e-Tammar (tammar means dates). He was a great disciple of Imam Ali (A.S). Imam Ali (A.S.) educated him with many secrets of the faith. At times , Mesum used to tell the people the deep secrets learnt by him.

It was predicted by our Maula that he (Mesum) would be hanged on account of his love for his master. He was told that he would be hanged in a farm next to the house of Amr lbn Huraith. The tree on which he would be hanged was the smallest of the ten trees existing in the farm at that time. Mesum was also informed that his tongue would be cut out because he would not stop praising his master [Hazrat Ali (A.S.)].
Mesum then went to perform Hajj and there after returned to Koofa. One-day lbn Ziad, the Governor of the place, called him and asked him in the Court, "Oh Mesum! I've heard that you're a companion of Ali! when Mesum replied in affirmative then Ubaidullah bin Ziyad said to Mesum to disown Imam Ali (A.S). Ibn Ziad then asked him. "Did your master tell you anything about your end?" Mesum replied, "Yes. He informed me that I would be hanged and that my tongue would be cut. lbn Ziad sent a roar of laughter and said, "I will see that your master did not tell you the truth. I will see that his prophecy is belied. Mesum said, "My master's words are true because he got that information from God. The Prophet was informed by Jibrael and Jibrael came with the message of Allah." Ibn Ziad ordered Mesum to be jailed. Mesum escaped from jail and joined Mukhtar. Mukhtar had risen in revolt to avenge the massacre of Karbala. Discussions took place between Mukhtar and Mesum. Revenge was planned. But Mesum was caught by the order of Ibn Ziad and was ordered to be hanged.
Mesum was brought to the same tree to be hanged as pointed out by Hazrat Ali (A.S.). Ibn Ziyad ordered the police to tie Mesum to the date-palm trunk near the house of Amru bin Huraith. He ordered them to cut off his hands and legs. Mesum began singing the praises of his master, and about a thousand people gathered to see Mesum being hanged. Even after being hanged, the tongue of Mesum went on singing the praises of Hazrat Ali (A.S.). Ibn Ziad was informed about this and the tyrant ordered to cut off Mesum's tongue. Mesum said: "Amirul Mu'mineen has told me about that". They cut off his tongue. and another man stabbed him with a sword. Thus, this mujahid's life was put out like a candle! and thus the prophecy of Hazrat Ali (A.S.) came true and Mesum died after his tongue was cut out. (From Internet)

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Unread post by accountability » Sun Oct 11, 2009 2:54 pm

Hussain bhai, wasn't syedna saheb to inaugrate the kufa masjid. I have an iraqi friend whose brother is in najaf police, i asked him if kufa masjid was to be inaugrated, he said no. But I remember watching a video in markaz about the construction of kufa masjid. They seem to have spent millions on that. Even the zarih is no where to be seen.

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Unread post by S. Insaf » Mon Oct 12, 2009 4:14 am

One youngster of Yamani family told Mulla Kaizar Ali who in turn phoned me told that:
"There is a recent announcement by the Najaf Goverment that Kufa masjid repaired by Bohras will remain in possession of the Najaf government and it will be open for all where prayers will be led by Sunni priest and the Bohras would have No claim what-so-ever on the Kufa Masjid."

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Unread post by aziz » Mon Oct 12, 2009 5:29 am

The kufa masjid has always been in control of najaf governor and bohras have never ever claimed control or possesesion ,but when moula goes there all shias pray namaz behind him and the masjis of kufa been built not because of control or possesesion but because of its historical importance to shias but you donkeys will never understand,even the zarihs of kerbala,najaf abbas alamdar have been built by moula and bohras but we have never claimed control,
as for insaaf who is this kaizer who gives you this useless info better sack him and do not pay him at all he is ripping you off

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Unread post by humble_servant_us » Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:08 am

Br. Insaf, Your information is incorrect. Kufa masjid presently is under the control of shiite government and i don't think sunnis have anything to do with it.

Moreover Iraq is not india where mosques are inaugurated and made available for a particular sect only. Any mosque is available for any believer.

Yes Sayedna has spent lot of money on Kufa mosque and it is a piety for them that they cannot show it openly to their followers.

Aziz- It is like grapes our sour. Bohras know it is beyond their capacity to gain control over the Roza mubarak of the holy ones, so there is no question of claim. Thank God the zarih's are not under their control else it would have also been commercialised like any other place of ziyarah.

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Unread post by mutmaeen » Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:26 am

when money is spent on masjids and zarihs in the middle east its clear that they would never be under the possession of dawoodi-bohras so reeling out fiction that xyz told me that this masjid wud not be under bohra control is crap and this deliberate inexactitudes from mr insaf are becoming all too frequent now

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Unread post by aziz » Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:33 am

The sour grapes are part of what insaaf is trying to say,by trying to demean the building of the masjid and zarih by moula and bohras,and piety is by bohras that we still built even knowing that its not in our control,so think before you speak

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Unread post by humble_servant_us » Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:12 am

Aziz

If that the case be why are bohras blowing trumpets that sayedna has gone to Kufa for iftetah. Why are they repeatedly talking about the inauguration of Kufa mosque.

The fact is gullible bohra expects Sayedna to inaugurate the mosque (doing waqf) thinking that since they have spent lots of money on it it belongs to them, like they do it in places in india but unfortunately they this is a open mosque for any believer and they cannot do anything here.

The intentions in making the Kufa mosque or the zarih mubarak of Sayedna might be pure and clean but the basic foundation of system in itself is so corrupt that even poor sayedna wishes to downplay he cannot.

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Unread post by aziz » Mon Oct 12, 2009 2:48 pm

I think you have joined insaaf propaganda press, show me where in any one instance where in any bohra website it is said that moula has gone for iftetah of kufa masjid ,maybe some bohras like kaizer with same sickness as insaaf may have bluffed you

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Mon Oct 12, 2009 5:06 pm

Abde Syednas, start preparing for the next bout of financial crisis due to emerge any moment. Your master has plans to build gold and silver zari in Masjid Nabawi, Ibrahim a.s. and other holy shrines. Just like what happened in the past, an amount equivalent to build 100 zaris will be extorted from you and IF at all there is a coup in Saudi Arabia then you may see a gold zari for the great souls who all their life have lived in austerity and shunned wordly wealth.

hawe ek umeed baaqi chhe. Em shoq ane walwalo chhe, Rasulullah SAW ni zarih sona chandi si banau. Fatema ni zarih banaau!."
Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin Saheb (TUS) -On 8th Muharrum Ul Haraam,1425- Ashara Mubaraka- Dubai, U.A.E.

"Eh Parvardigar, Tu karam kari ne Rasullah (SAW) ane Fatima (AS) ni Zarih ne banaawu shitaabi si mayasar kari aap."
Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin Saheb (TUS) -On Lailatul qadr, 1424

"Sona(gold) ane Chandi(Silver) ne keware naseeb thai ke ye (Fatema (AS)) naa makam ne boso dei (An indication for the construction of a Zarih for Fatema (AS)"
Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin Saheb (TUS) -In Munajaat Shareefa at On Lailatul qadr, 1422

"Ibrahim (AS) ni Zarih...Sonu ane Chandi si Ibrahim Nabi(AS) ni zarih bane...em umeed che, ane mumineen moti umeed to ye che! Rasullulah (SAW) ane Moulatena Fatima ni Zarih banawye..."
Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin Saheb (TUS)- At Al Masjid E Hakimi iftetah 20th Shawwal, 1422, Dar Es Salaam, Tanzania

"Ibrahim(AS) koun ke JADDE RASULULLAH(SAW) (Ibrahim, the forefather of Rasulullah(SAW)). Hamne shouq che ke Ibrahim(AS) ni Zarih banaawe. Hashim(AS), Jaffer ut Tayyar(AS) sagla ni Zarih banaawi. Aa Zarih kem nahi?"
Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin Saheb (TUS) -On the day of Milaad e Maimoon, in Karachi -1421

http://www.zeninfosys.net/NooraniKalemaat.htm

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Unread post by Safiuddin » Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:18 pm

Doesn't Nabi Muhammad's masjid already have a zarih?

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Unread post by accountability » Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:04 pm

Aziz and others. If syedna saheb cannot and donot have to do anything with masjid, what is the point of spending millions, which could be spent on betterment of us mumineen. But it is pathetic that never this administration has taken up a true welfare project for bohras. It is also a pity that in the name of false prestige bohras are made to dole out their hard earned monies which would never benefit them or their brothers.

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Unread post by humble_servant_us » Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:49 am

aziz

It might not be posted on malumaat or any other site but it is the general view of the people (people who are obedient to sayedna) that his holiness has gone to kufa for iftetah. I have not heard this from 1 bohra but a number of them. This is not false propaganda it is a fact. Also for your information when the first telecast of sayedna in najaf was made, everyone was expecting sayedna would be doing the opening of kufa mosque. I am sure where u live the same would have been expected from people around. Yesterday I talked to a mukhlis Mulla and he told be sayedna will be doing the waqf of the mosque and handing it over to the government. To certain extent it may be a self started propaganda by the bohras.

But anyways it doesn't matter, the good point is inspite of millions of rupees spent Bohras do not have any control over the holy sites.

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Unread post by aziz » Wed Oct 14, 2009 5:34 am

Perhaps it has escaped your attention that kufa masjid was built some years ago during the time of saddam and iftetah was done then,right now what has been built is the sehen and some uncompleted area at the back,so no iftetah was needed and money which was used was contributed by bohras so it should not concern you ,do not be misled by insaaf about control or possesesion ,
also the zarih on qabr mubarak of imam hussein is new replacing the old zarih which was over 60 yrs old ,it should be a matter of pride for bohras that in over population of over 100 million shias we get to do this khidmat of moula ali and hussein sa

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Unread post by JC » Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:53 am

Aziz,

So the KHIDMAT of Ali and Hussain is to built their tombs and graves with gold and silver, with Ghelaf with pearls and diamonds .......???????!!!!!!!!! If I am not mistaken, Pharons wanted these types of things.....!!!!!!

Why would you spend millions and trillions of things which are no importance...... a simple grave would do, a simple mosque would do, the point is PRAYING and not SHOW-OFF. Prophet had specifically asked not to make graves as then people would start worshipping those graves and exactly that is happening.

After Prophet died, did Ali and his family tried to built a big quba or zareeh for Prophet?? Did Ali and his sons tried to do that for Fatema?? Did Hassan and Hussain ever said or tried to do that for Ali?? Why all earlier Imams did not do that?? Once Fatemi Imams were Rulers of Egypt ...... WHY did not they started the projects??????????

These trillions of rupees and dollars and pounds and euros may have been spent on the upliftment of Bohras in general, who have the LOVE for Ali and Hussain. Do not you think, if an umemployed and poor Bohra, gets a job or small house or any help in the name of Ali and Hussain would be better than sending him to kiss those gold zareehs of Ali and Hussain?? He will have more faith and turst in these persons, and in Dai, then just going and kissing GOLD. And this will be passed on to generations.

It is known fact that Prophet, Ali and Hussain, ALL, had left Tawaf of Kabba, incomplete, just to serve and help other fellow Muslim....... what does that indicate?? WHO is important?? It is said that if you have a choice to save a Muslim or a Masjid, save Muslim.......... but today Dai wants us to 'sacrifice' us (the momins..!!!) for the masjid, and not even for masjid, just for a heap or gold and silver............ how pathetic.......... :(

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Unread post by aziz » Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:24 pm

Dude check your history there was a qubbah a grand one at that time on grave of moulatuna fatema which was destroyed by wahabbis when they took over ,same with moula ali and imam hussein there has been a qubbah there for centuries

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Unread post by SBM » Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:34 pm

Aziz
Can you provide any reference, pictures or written material about your claim?
Word of Mouth is not good enough as you and other always have asked Saif Insaf to provide the proof so you should follow the same.

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Unread post by aziz » Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:39 pm

As for uplifment ask insaaf to ask one of his insiders to tell you how much money has moula given for uplifment of moomineen and how many houses have been gifted to moomineen,
insaaf will be able to answer you better through his sources

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Unread post by SBM » Wed Oct 14, 2009 3:01 pm

aziz wrote:Dude check your history there was a qubbah a grand one at that time on grave of moulatuna fatema which was destroyed by wahabbis when they took over ,same with moula ali and imam hussein there has been a qubbah there for centuries
AZIZ
Proof with with pictures or article and references, please. Define who is Wahaabbis according to you. Centuries ago Saudi was not ruled by the the follower of Wahabi Clan.

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Unread post by mutmaeen » Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:13 am

for those who seek proof from shias

Jannatul Baqii

This is a plot of land not far from where the mosque of the prophet stood and the houses of his companions around it were built as living quarters. This land was used as a cemetery for the muslims.

The famous writer Mustafawi writes in Nuzhatul Qulub, “The cemetery of Madina called Baqii lies to the west of the town and here is seen the grave of Ibrahim, Prophet’s only son and also the grave of his daughter Fatima. There are graves of Prophets grand son Imam Hasan, Imam Ali Ibnul Hussain Zainul Abedeen, Imam Muhammad Baqir and Imam Ja’afar Sadiq (AS).

For centuries there has been a marble slab over their graves and on this is written:

IN THE NAME OF GOD THE MERCIFUL THE COMPASSIONATE

PRAISE BE TO GOD WHO SUSTAINS THE NATIONS AND WHO GIVES LIFE TO DEAD BONES.

HERE IS THE TOMB OF FATIMA,THE DAUGHTER OF THE APOSTLE OF GOD AND THE QUEEN OF THE WOMEN OF THE WORLD.

HERE IS ALSO THE TOMB OF HASAN IBNE ALI;

HERE ALSO IS THE TOMB OF ALI IBNUL HUSSAIN;

HERE IS ALSO THE TOMB OF MUHAMMAD IBNE ALI AL BAQIR;

HERE IS ALSO THE TOMB OF JA’FAR IBNE MUHAMMAD EL SADIQ.

MAY GOD FAVOUR THEM ALL.

The cemetery of Baqii was destroyed by the Wahabis in 1932.

. A modern writer describes the scene as such: 1.

When I entered the Baqii the sight which I saw was as if it were a town which had been raised to the ground. All over the cemetery nothing was to be seen but little indefinite mounds of earth and stones, pieces of timber, iron bars, blocks of stone and a broken rubble of cement and bricks strewn about. It was like the broken remains of a town which had been demolished by an earth quake. All was a wilderness of ruined building material and tombstones, not ruined by a casual hand, but raked away from their places and ground small.”

The writer of this book also visited Baqii in 1995 and found that the authorities have erected a wall around the whole area of Baqii incorporating also the jewish part of the cemetery in it to make it into one huge cemetery. A platform was built just outside the wall where people can stand and see the graves of the Holy Masoomeen and shed a tear or too. People were allowed to enter the inner circle of the wall after the Fajr prayers for two hours but were not allowed to go near the graves. They had to stand about 30 feet away from the place and can see the outlines of the graves. Besides 5 Masoomeen,there was a mark for the grave of Hazrat Fatima Bine Asad, mother of Imam Ali(AS).

This is Jannatul Baqii where the most beloved daughter of the Holy Prophet together with her children and grand children lie in wilderness without even a tomb stone over them.

Picture of Jannatul Baqii as taken in 1995 by the writer himself.[from internet]

http://www.al-islam.org/kaaba14/3.htm

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Unread post by mutmaeen » Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:18 am

jc says-prophet[pbuh] had specifically asked not to make graves

can u substantiate it? why was grave of prophet[pbuh] made if what u say has any truth in it?

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Unread post by Aqa Moula_Zindabad » Thu Oct 15, 2009 3:11 am

JC wrote:Aziz,

So the KHIDMAT of Ali and Hussain is to built their tombs and graves with gold and silver, with Ghelaf with pearls and diamonds .......???????!!!!!!!!! If I am not mistaken, Pharons wanted these types of things.....!!!!!!

Why would you spend millions and trillions of things which are no importance...... a simple grave would do, a simple mosque would do, the point is PRAYING and not SHOW-OFF. Prophet had specifically asked not to make graves as then people would start worshipping those graves and exactly that is happening.
?? It is said that if you have a choice to save a Muslim or a Masjid, save Muslim.......... but today Dai wants us to 'sacrifice' us (the momins..!!!) for the masjid, and not even for masjid, just for a heap or gold and silver............ how pathetic.......... :(
JC...dont give all these craps....read this facts about Kaaba...all this is done by Wahabis....why cant this money used for the betterment of muslims....why this Show-off???

1. The Kaa'ba is covered by a black cloth known as 'Kiswa', which is produced & changed every year. Special factory designed for the making of Kiswa in Makkah. It costs approx. SR 17million.The cloth is made of 670kgs of silver dyed black, about 120kgs of pure gold & 50kgs of silver used in writing the Qur'anic verses over the cloth. The total area of the cloth is 658sqr meter.

http://untuk-sesama-insan.blogspot.com/ ... kaaba.html

2. Hajar Aswad (The Black Stone)....Muslims whether shia, sunni or Wahabis die to kiss this stone????Why???

3. Why do millions and millions muslims (including wahabis) spending millions every year go for “Haj” take the trouble of climbing Jebel Arafat…Allah is everywhere…pray sitting at your home and donate the money to poor muslims…..Why not???

And the known fact to the world that top Saudi royals (wahabis) mostly are all ayyash (do all Haram activities….drinking sharab is in there blood) and obviously all the income from Haj goes to them (Wahabis) and used in there ayyashi’s…..do u hav balls to question it???

A famous poet writes :

“Padhtaa hu to kahti hai yeh “Khaliq” ki kitaab
Ae Misl Yahudi yeh Saudi (wahabis) bhi azaab
Arey us kaum ke baarein mein kalam kya likhein
Kaaba ki kamai se jo pitein hai sharab“

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Unread post by SBM » Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:23 am

AQZombi
Finally you are back and now you can tell us about your AUDIT report of the Jamaat and also look at what is going on in Canada and Atlanta
Now coming to your last post, KISWA at Kaaba is replaced every year by Saudi Govt and they do not ask people to give UNITS like SYEDNA AND KOTHARI GOONS DO for Zarih and other buildings.
People spend thousands of dollars going to HAJJ, you asked WHY, Unfortunately if you had studied Quran and followed Allah's command, it is asked every Muslim WHO CAN AFFORD to perform Hajj once in life time. Quran does not tell any Muslim to go to do Ziyarat of Raud Tahera (as been asked in E Jamaat registration form)
I wonder about your auditing skills if you do not know the difference between Hajj and KUN Safar, how would you spot fraud in any audit of the Jamaats either Oh I now realize you got your Audit skills from Jamiyah
So here you go again put your foot in your mouth.

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Unread post by aziz » Thu Oct 15, 2009 4:07 pm

But if allah is everywhere why go to hajj just pray at home,and for info saudi govt makes everyone pay 470 dollars then you get a visa and why spend so much kiswa give to poor,why so much grandeur in mecca when there is so much poverty in world
apply your rules to yourself first

as for audit report you are a non person with less value then a scorpion in our eyes so have no right to ask anything much less demand

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Unread post by SBM » Thu Oct 15, 2009 4:11 pm

Hello Aziz
Are you a spokesperson for Aqa Moula Zombie? or are you using two ids with different sign on NAME?

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Unread post by JC » Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:45 pm

Thank you very much Oma for your replies to Aziz and AMZ.

Bro Aziz,

First of all, as Oma has said, you CANNOT compare going to Hajj with going to Ziarat (and there are tons of Ziarats where bohras go .... in Iraq, Syria, Egypt, and tons of Dais in India).

Dude - Hajj is the Last Pillar of Islam, out of Five...... SIMPLE and as Oma has put - it is FARZ on every Muslim who can AFFORD to go perform Hajj ............ and this ALL Muslim sects AGREE ........ so lets not go there.

Again, KISWA, this is for KA'ABA .......... this is House of God as per many Prophets who MADE it. So again, you cannot compare to anything else.

What I am talking about is so many Qubas and Zareehs made of gold and silver and pearls and diamonds. EVEN if I leave Ali and Hussain aside, what about hundreds in India where people go on Ziarat Trips..!!!! (and have tons of fun :D )

As for uplifment, Saudi government has done lots and doing more ......... but WHY on earth you bring them into discussion. What we are talking is OUR house, our own Community, the Bohraism. If you drink and come home and if your Dad scolds you, do you tell him - but my Christian, or Hindu or Jew or Atheist friends do that and their fathers do not say anything??!!

Please do not bring and quote Wahabis every time we talk.

Lets discuss what is right and what is wrong .......... for starter with our own house.

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Unread post by mutmaeen » Fri Oct 16, 2009 1:51 am

if a person has the free will and resources and wants to pay his respects to the martyrs and saints whats the objection? its a matter of great satisfaction to visit the qubbas of syedna qutbuddin shaheed syedi fakhruddin shaheed and syedi abqul qadir hakimuddin-people who laid down their lives for the betterment of mumineen

or one is just expected to do what the wahabis do and refrain from anything which is prescribed in shia ethos?

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Unread post by aziz » Fri Oct 16, 2009 2:39 am

why is hajj different from ziarat,yes its one of the pillars of islam. but would islam or hajj or quran be there without rasullah or his progeny so who is more important

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Unread post by aziz » Fri Oct 16, 2009 3:25 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VwWqylKLuI

http://abna.ir/data.asp?lang=3&id=168005


The First Destruction of Al-Baqi

The Wahhabis believed that visiting the graves and the shrines of the Prophets, the Imams, or the saints was a form of idolatry and totally un-Islamic. Those who did not conform with their belief were killed and their property was confiscated. Since their first invasion of Iraq, and till nowadays, in fact, the Wahhabis, as well as other rulers of the Gulf States, having been carrying out massacres from which no Muslim who disagreed with them was spared. Obviously, the rest of the Islamic World viewed those graves with deep reverence. Had it not been so, the two caliphs Abu Bakr and Umar would not have expressed their desire for burial near the grave of the Prophet (s).

From 1205 AH to 1217 AH, the Wahhabis made several attempts to gain a foothold in Hijaz but failed. Finally, in 1217 AH, they somehow emerged victorious in Taif where they spilled the innocent blood of Muslims. In 1218 AH, they entered Makkah and destroyed all sacred places and domes there, including the one which served as a canopy over the well of Zamzam.

In 1221, the Wahhabis entered Madina to desecrate al-Baqi as well as every mosque they came across. An attempt was even made to demolish the Prophet's tomb, but for one reason or another, the idea was abandoned. In subsequent years, Muslims from Iraq, Syria, and Egypt were refused entry into Makkah for Hajj. King Al-Saud set a pre-condition that those who wished to perform the pilgrimage would have to accept Wahhabism or else be branded as non-Muslims, becoming ineligible for entry into the Haram.

Al-Baqi was razed to the ground, with no sign of any grave or tomb whatsoever. But the Saudis were still not quite satisfied with doing all of that. Their king ordered three black attendants at the Prophet's shrine to show him where the treasure of valuable gifts were stored. The Wahhabis plundered the treasure for their own use.

Thousands of Muslims fled Makkah and Madina in a bid to save their lives and escape from the mounting pressure and persecution at the hands of the Wahhabis. Muslims from all over the world denounced this Saudi savagery and exhorted the Caliphate of the Ottoman Empire to save the sacred shrines from total destruction. Then, as it is known, Muhammad Ali Basha attacked Hijaz and, with the support of local tribes, managed to restore law and order in Madina and Makkah, dislodging the Al-Saud clansmen. The entire Muslim world celebrated this victory with great fanfare and rejoicing. In Cairo, the celebrations continued for five days. No doubt, the joy was due to the fact that pilgrims were once more allowed freely to go for Hajj, and the sacred shrines were once again restored.

In 1818 AD, the Ottaman Caliph Abdul Majid and his successors, Caliphs Abdul Hamid and Mohammed, carried out the reconstruction of all sacred places, restoring the Islamic heritage at all important sites. In 1848 and 1860 AD, further renovations were made at the expense of nearly seven hundred thousand pounds, most of which came from the donations collected at the Prophet's tomb.



The second plunder by the Wahhabis

The Ottoman Empire had added to the splendor of Madina and Makkah by building religious structures of great beauty and architectural value. Richard Burton, who visited the holy shrines in 1853 AD disguised as an Afghan Muslim and adopting the Muslim name Abdullah, speaks of Madina boasting 55 mosques and holy shrines. Another English adventurer who visited Madina in 1877-1878 AD describes it as a small beautiful city resembling Istanbul. He writes about its white walls, golden slender minarets and green fields.

1924 AD Wahhabis entered Hijaz for a second time and carried out another merciless plunder and massacre. People in streets were killed. Houses were razed to the ground. Women and children too were not spared.

Awn bin Hashim (Shairf of Makkah) writes: "Before me, a valley appeared to have been paved with corpses, dried blood staining everywhere all around. There was hardly a tree which didn't have one or two dead bodies near its roots."

1925 Madina surrendered to the Wahhabi onslaught. All Islamic heritage were destroyed. The only shrine that remained intact was that of the Holy Prophet (s).

Ibn Jabhan says: "We know that the tomb standing on the Prophet's grave is against our principles, and to have his grave in a mosque is an abominable sin."

Tombs of Hamza and other martyrs were demolished at Uhud. The Prophet's mosque was bombarded. On protest by Muslims, assurances were given by Ibn Saud that it will be restored but the promise was never fulfilled. A promise was given that Hijaz will have an Islamic multinational government. This was also abandoned.

1925 AD Jannat al-Mu'alla, the sacred cemetery at Makkah was destroyed alongwith the house where the Holy Prophet (s) was born. Since then, this day is a day of mourning for all Muslims.

Is it not strange that the Wahhabis find it offensive to have the tombs, shrines and other places of importance preserved, while the remains of their Saudi kings are being guarded at the expense of millions of dollars?

Protest from Indian Muslims

1926, protest gatherings were held by shocked Muslims all over the world. Resolutions were passed and a statement outlining the crimes perpetrated by Wahhabis was issued and included the following:

The destruction and desecration of the holy places i.e. the birth place of the Holy Prophet [s], the graves of Banu Hashim in Makkah and in Jannat al-Baqi (Madinah), the refusal of the Wahhabis to allow Muslims to recite Ziyarah or Surah al-Fatiha at those graves.

The destruction of the places of worship i.e. Masjid Hamza, Masjid Abu Rasheed, in addition to the tombs of Imams and Sahaba (Prophet's companions).

Interference in the performance of Hajj rituals.

Forcing the Muslims to follow the Wahhabis innovations and to abandon their own ways according to the guidance of the Imams they follow.

The massacre of sayyids in Taif, Madina, Ahsa, and Qatif.

The demolition of the grave of the Imams at al-Baqi which deeply offended and grieved all Shias.

Protest from other countries

Similar protests were lodged by Muslims in Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Indonesia, and Turkey. All of them condemn the Saudi Wahhabis for their barbaric acts. Some scholars wrote tracts and books to tell the world the fact that what was happening in Hijaz was actually a conspiracy plotted by the Jews against Islam, under the guise of Tawheed. The idea was to eradicate the Islamic legacy and heritage and to systematically remove all its vestiges so that in the days to come, Muslims will have no affiliation with their religious history.

A partial list of the demolished graves and shrines

Al-Mualla graveyard in Makkah which includes the grave of Sayyida Khadija bint Khuwailid (a), wife of the Prophet (s), the grave of Amina bint Wahab, mother of the Prophet (s), the grave of Abu Talib, father of Imam Ali (a), and the grave of Abdul Muttalib, grandfather of the Prophet (s)

The grave of Hawa (Eve) in Jeddah

The grave of the father of the Prophet (s) in Madina

The house of sorrows (bayt al-Ahzan) of Sayyida Fatima (a) in Madina

The Salman al-Farsi mosque in Madina

The Raj'at ash-Shams mosque in Madina

The house of the Prophet (s) in Madina, where he lived after migrating from Makkah

The house of Imam Ja'far al-Sadiq (a) in Madina

The complex (mahhalla) of Banu Hashim in Madina

The house of Imam Ali (a) where Imam Hasan (a) and Imam Husayn (a) were born

The house of Hamza and the graves of the martyrs of Uhud (a)




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