Mojiza in Syedi Fakhruddin Shaheed Qubba Mubarak during Maat

[mmv]

Malumaat Report:
Shahzada Aliwaqar Malek ul Ashter bs Shujauddin Saheb ziyaarat waaste Galiyakot ma Syedi Fakhruddin Shaheed na Qubba ma padhara. Wahan aap ye Imam HUssain AS no maatam karayo. Syedi Fakhruddin Shaheed Maula TUS no Mojizo. Khoon na mohta Qatra Qubba ma nazar aawa laaga ane girwa laaga.

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what is the view of the Board member on this news...?
What Science says...is it possible that the blood can come from the wall...??

[JC]

This is IMPOSSIBLE ............ this is either fabricated or somehow this is being done...!!!!

Have you all have seen movie 2012??

[ozmujaheed]

Wow Bohras are progressing ! Now evena Shahzada who is not a Diai or Diai in waiting can call up mojizas...what next a Amil and WaliMulla can call up Mojizas

Why does it exite Orthos or what is the significance that only when we do parjosh matam and some liquids ooze from bricks we associate it with some Mojiza..what is it trying to demonstrate ?

[mmv]

There may be some Scientific reason behind it…

[S. Insaf]

In 1977 when the progressive Dawoodi Bohras hold their first world conference in Udaipur, the Sayedna Burhanuddin Saheb had rushed to the Galiakot to oppose it. He gathered thousands of Bohras there by claiming that since a great calamity has fallen on Dawat the blood and water the oozing out from the walls of Sayedi Fakhruddin Moula's mazar. Once he was unsuccessful in stopping the conference inspite of using all the force at his command, in order to cover up his failure, he announced that the water is oozing out from the walls of Roza Tahera in Bombay. He soon rushed to Bombay with his brigades.

When the report of this "miracle in Marbel" appeared in the news paper, I and Dr. Asghar Ali Engineer after examining the incident gave a statement in Times of India that it is due to the leakage in the water cooler fitted at the top. Sayedna Saheb through Dr. Qasim Divanji filed a suit against us in Bombay's Mazgaon Judicial Court claiming that we have hurt the religious feelings of the Dawoodi Bohra Community. On the first hearing Dr. Asghar Ali appeared before the court with an engineer Muzffar Ali. They placed their arguments and Dr. Divanji soon withdrew his case. And the water stopped oozing out from Roza Tahera thereafter.

[mmv]

Thanks S.Insaf for the Information..

[Hussain_KSA]

Same kind of miracle he was planning in Madina but unfortunately the Saudi Government has banned him for life time. He is not allowed to enter in Saudi Arabia due to what he had done during his last trip in Jannatul Baqui.

How come a Imam Ali & Hussain na Dai did not visit for a single time for Umra and Hajj since more than 20 years while he is organizing ashra majalis in various countries besides visiting to Yeman and Iraq?

[mutmaeen]

what syedna did in jannatul baqi was not wrong at all-if paying respects at the grave of moulatena fatema is wrong then all the shias in the world are prepared to do that wrong

if he is banned by the wahabi regime he cant perform umrah and haj as simple as that-even rasulallah[saw] had performed haj just once in his lifetime-so what?

[Al Zulfiqar]

Same kind of miracle he was planning in Madina but unfortunately the Saudi Government has banned him for life time. He is not allowed to enter in Saudi Arabia due to what he had done during his last trip in Jannatul Baqui.

How come a Imam Ali & Hussain na Dai did not visit for a single time for Umra and Hajj since more than 20 years while he is organizing ashra majalis in various countries besides visiting to Yeman and Iraq?

Bro, Hussain,

very soon after syedna was banned from saudi arabia, kothar cleverly started referring to him as haqiqi kaaba, in order to spite the saudis. to further demonstrate his pulling power a la hajj, they started the moharram picnics exactly 20 years ago too.

but our abde bohras are so brainwashed and blind that they dont even bother to question why syedna has not visited saudi as you have mentioned when he can go everywhere else. if you have noticed, he has also not visited egypt since long, i suspect it is due the articles published in al muslimoon soon after the first organised mass visit of the bohras there alongwith syedna in 1981. i have mentioned about this in another post on this forum long ago. i have an english translation of this lengthy article, which is basically research conducted by saudi islamic scholars at the behest of the egyptian govt. to find out who these bohras really are and what are their beliefs and practices. this article is so damning in its findings that it concludes that the bohras are only barely and thinly veiled muslims outwardly, but in secret they practise and propagate unislamic things and indulge in kufr.

[mutmaeen]

so if a so called research in fact any document that speaks ill of bohras should be taken as gospel truth and whatever that has anything positive of bohras should be trashed as lies ?

[Al Zulfiqar]

so if a so called research in fact any document that speaks ill of bohras should be taken as gospel truth and whatever that has anything positive of bohras should be trashed as lies ?

if the research conducted by scholars from the world's foremost islamic university, al azhar, is all lies and fabrication, then the education taken there by syedna taher saifuddin must also be trashed as useless, no?

was he mad to go there to study, when he could very well have saved his money and gone to world famous saifee daras in surat?

[WYP]

if you have noticed, he has also not visited egypt since long, i suspect it is due the articles published in al muslimoon soon after the first organised mass visit of the bohras there alongwith syedna in 1981. i have mentioned about this in another post on this forum long ago. i have an english translation of this lengthy article, which is basically research conducted by saudi islamic scholars at the behest of the egyptian govt. to find out who these bohras really are and what are their beliefs and practices. this article is so damning in its findings that it concludes that the bohras are only barely and thinly veiled muslims outwardly, but in secret they practise and propagate unislamic things and indulge in kufr.

So..when was the last time he visited egypt? Do you know?

[accountability]

Syedna saheb has not visited egypt since 1981. Actually amazing is, that His brother Yousuf Najmuddin is buried in egypt but there is no visit to his grave by shahzadas etc.
Malik bhai saheb has a history of pulling such stories, He went to Yemen and suddenly water oozing out of syedna Hatim's grave.

[Al Zulfiqar]

Bro, Hussain,

as far as i know, syedna and his family are also barred from saudi for various other more serious reasons, and not just because of the incidents at jannatul baqi which was only the last straw which broke the saudi's patience.

syedna is held responsible for all the money laundering done by the jamaats there. also the open flouting of rules in regards to celebrating eids on days different from the majority, refusal to pray alongwith everyone else at the kaaba, going against the flow of pilgrims under the misguidance of the amils and group leaders and most seriously of all, misuse of help provided by the saudi govt for all hajis by way of free water, flour, cooking oil, rice etc
which is donated out of saudi king's personal funds and is also given to our faiz's there, while the faiz is charging steep fees for food and accomodation. food which on most days is just dal chawal and rotis. even after repeated warnings, when this behaviour continued they had arrested and deported the amil of jeddah, shabbirbhai saheb vajihuddin, who was conveniently made a scapegoat by kothar for this debacle.

i am sure you can throw more light on all this.

[Muttaqun]

^you are such a coward,i am preety sure u are getting all this inside information coz u are one of those "aasstin ke saap" just similar to awwal,saani and saalis (LA). if u have guts let me know who u are and we can discuss how truthful your claims are.

[ozmujaheed]

Bro AZ

can you please provide scanned copies of "english translation of this lengthy article" if there has been an investigation by an external Islamic authority.

My email is bohradeen@gmail.com Shukran

[Al Zulfiqar]

^you are such a coward,i am preety sure u are getting all this inside information coz u are one of those "aasstin ke saap" just similar to awwal,saani and saalis (LA). if u have guts let me know who u are and we can discuss how truthful your claims are.

muttaqun, now that you have run out of any logical arguments, you have resorted to threats, a typical goon tactic....

your desperate behaviour only serves to emphasise the intellectual poverty, blind fanaticism and foul-mouthed goondagiri of a typical abde, of which you are a shining example. in fact, now that we know how low-class your credentials are, we reformists should welcome further contributions from you, so that the world can see clearly how morally and intellectually superior progressives are compared to street urchins like yrself.

[mmv]

Post is Going in another track..
the Question was that " Is Such Moujiza's R Realy one...Or it Fabricated..
If its a real one than its really a Miracle that a water and Blood Ooz from the Marbel.
and if it a Fake than thats a very very Bad thing to do such act in Babji Maula Kubba Mubaraka.
As Maujija of Babji Maula's of Breaking Bedi is Famous..though i have not seen with my eyes..but have heard about it many time..
we want to get the facts....
What Islam Says and what Science says about Maujija's

[mutmaeen]

bro az

can u pleas tell me in which year did al moulal muqaddas get education in al azhar university and what did he study there?

[WYP]

Syedna saheb has not visited egypt since 1981.

Are you sure?

http://www.zeninfosys.net/misr1_1428.htm

Maybe those pictures are all fabricated. After all they are on the kothari website. Who knows, the meeting with Hosni Mubarak must also have been fabricated. After the famous Egyptian government sanctioned research published in the al muslemoon article (still being scanned by al zulfiqar), the Egyptian goverment was probably given more money than their GDP for their President to meet with the leader of such thinly veiled muslims.

In your rush to discredit every orthodox claim, you guys are indulging in as much fantasy as them. Thats why real progress minded bohras will never take you seriously.

[S. Insaf]

What Islam Says and what Science says about Maujija's

When Hazrat Mohammad (pbuh) claimed prophet-hood many people asked him: "Allah had sent earlier prophets who could perform different miracles; like Mosses could make his way in the sea, Jesus could make dead alive etc. Mohammad you show us some miracles so that we can believe in your prophet-hood." The answer that holy Prophet of mercy gave was "Is Qur’an not a miracle of Allah?"
Meaning that Hazrat Mohammad was illiterate how could he produce a wonderful book like Qur’an? For Quran the holy prophet of mercy is giving due credit to Allah and not himself.

Allah can do miracles. He can develope a huge creature like man or elephant from a dirty drop.
Off course Science does not support miracle-theory.

[porus]

The answer that holy Prophet of mercy gave was "Is Qur’an not a miracle of Allah?"
Meaning that Hazrat Mohammad was illiterate how could he produce a wonderful book like Qur’an? For Quran the holy prophet of mercy is giving due credit to Allah and not himself.

A large number of miracles have been attributed to Prophet Muhammad in popular tales’ just as no Bohra tale is complete without a mention of a miracle or two.

However, Muhammad has reportedly said that his only miracle is the Quran. Quran itself does not call itself a miracle. Quran has issued a challenge that if anyone doubted that Quran came from Allah, then they should produce an ayat similar to the one in the Quran.

Attributing Quran’s miracle to the dubious report of the Prophet being illiterate is quite inappropriate. Quran was not written, but uttered by the Prophet. There is no requirement that a poet or a seer has to be literate. Many ancient scriptures have come down to us through oral tradition. If Umar had not taken the initiative to have the Quran written down, we might not have had one today.

Quran’s being a miracle can be attributed to the power and style of its language, which was unlike any that had come before it. It was also self-consistent and self-referential. It was self-consistent because all apparent contradictions could be resolved within the Quran itself. It was self-referential because no other reference was needed for its message to be completely understood. Unfortunately, with the passing of time and spread of Islam among non-Arabs, these characteristics are not apparent and resort must be made to tafseers.

If miracles are taken to mean violation or suspension of the physical laws of the universe, then there can be no such thing as a miracle. If a ‘miracle’ is not understood, then it must be ascribed to a gap in our knowledge.

The greatest ‘miracle’ of today comes from Cosmology. It is ‘dark energy’ and ‘dark matter’. An amazing event is that something is created out of nothing. It is that the universe has a total mass of the universe trillions of times greater than the mass of objects which can be detected. That space, until recently thought of as vacuum, is pregnant with the potential to manifest enormous amounts of energy or mass. The search for understanding is ongoing.

Science has given us a glimpse into an awe-inspiring universe and just reading about is bound to give you a spiritual experience.

So, I suggest that you laugh off silly musings of Sayedna devotees about miracles wrought by him and the members of his family. Allah does not violate or suspend his laws either for his devotees or for his detractors.

[Safiuddin]

Malik-e-Lashkar BhaiSaanp has had this same "miracle" happen to him before this event. And always at S. Fakhruddin shaheed's qubba. Stone neither bleeds, nor does it weep saline tears. The exudate from the qubba is most likely water condensation from the hundreds of hot bodies beating their chests and creating warm moist air. As the moist air rises in the confines of the small qubba, it condenses as it touches the cooler (marble?) of the dome and walls. I am quite sure that there must be a leaching of iron or some other mineral from the overlay as the humid air reaches into it.
The condensation takes on a rusty color and is touted as 'blood".

A simple confirmation would be to collect some of the exudate and analyze it for mineral content. My hypothesis is that Malik-e-Lashkar BhaiSaanp may have something to do with this blatant allegation that, coincidentally, only shows up when he is there. I say try an experiment and air condition the qubba to remove the humid air. Let's see if the stone bleeds then.
Another "miracle" invented by wily and shrewd vepaaris cleverly garbed as Muslims.Their cant is not only embarrassing to their people, but despicable in it's nature. This is on the same wavelength as the story of the decapitated head of imam Hussain that recited Surah Kahf while impaled upon a suli.

Perhaps Malike Lashkar has been "blessed" by the divine diety and is the chosen one to be the next Bohri Bhagwaan.

[Safiuddin]

^you are such a coward,i am preety sure u are getting all this inside information coz u are one of those "aasstin ke saap" just similar to awwal,saani and saalis (LA). if u have guts let me know who u are and we can discuss how truthful your claims are.

AZ, I BEG you: please let Muttaqun continue to bloviate. He or she is most entertaining. He must be one of the new Bohri Youth, probably about 9 or 10 years old - for his post clearly identifies him as accusatory, impertinent child with years of development not yet accounted for. I do hope he/she keeps posting here.

[Al Zulfiqar]

a few years ago, there were many miracles recorded among the hindus in london, india etc, of their god ganesha drinking milk and it was even shown on tv where apparently whole bucketfuls of milk when poured over their idols was absorbed in the body of the idol.. !!

maybe this zaada has bribed those guys to find the reverse technology...

[mutmaeen]

bro az

are u still researching as to when and what did al moulal muqaddas study at al azhar?

[Hussain_KSA]

Brother AZ,

I have written on this topic earlier in another thread. Government of Saudi Arabia is closely watching the activities of Bohra community and if the innovation and anti Islamic activities continues than one day they will be banned like qadiyani in Saudi Arabia.

On one evening of 18th Rajab in 2002 (Urus of late Tahir Saifuddin), some people came close to the center in Ruwais Jeddah, and later on picked about 24 gents from their places of work to sign undertaking that they will not carry on with unauthorized gathering, but they didn’t stop. Even though late Tameem Bhaisaheb, resident Amil of Makkah that time asked them to suspend all the activities. He also warned them of detention .

After around a year of first written warning, Government authorities blocked their names on the Immigration computer whereby 24 families were not renewed their work permits – gave enough time to pack and leave decently. In the second phase 4 families were asked through their employers to cancel their employment. In last phase other 4 families were asked to leave, this time they were given very short notice to leave – but after they had packed their belongings and have been settled all their obligations, including service end benefits. At no time they gave any reason.

In fact they even indirectly mentioned that they would be better off without these everyday Shirk committing people – they consider Bohras as heretics apart from violating their rules on unauthorized mass gathering – forbidden for all without advance permission.

There were at times rumors from well placed sources, that some authorities including OIC may classify Bohras and their practices as unIslamic.

[SBM]

Hussain Bhai
Salaam and Eid Ul Adha Mubarak
As long as they keep on greasing the palms of Rulers and Dictators in Muslim as well Non Muslim world they will be okay.
Kothar is very shrewd they exactly know the Grey area to be classified same as Qadiyanis and they are working in that Grey area while showering the Ruthless rulers in Middle East/Muslim world with bribes. Bohras in general have no understanding who their money and loyalty is being mis-used as they have been brain washed to say Ghano Jivo Ghano Jivo.
LET US GET READY FOR SAME LINE OF GARBAGE FROM MUTTAQUN AKA AQZ AKA PRO PIG AKA GULF

[accountability]

My apologies. Syedna saheb did visit Egypt in 1428 AD. It was the first after 1981. But there was no visit to Yousuf Najmuddin's grave.

[Fatwa Banker]

Government of Saudi Arabia is closely watching the activities of Bohra community and if the innovation and anti Islamic activities continues than one day they will be banned like qadiyani in Saudi Arabia.

Government authorities blocked their names on the Immigration computer whereby 24 families were not renewed their work permits – gave enough time to pack and leave decently. In the second phase 4 families were asked through their employers to cancel their employment. In last phase other 4 families were asked to leave, this time they were given very short notice to leave

they consider Bohras as heretics apart from violating their rules on unauthorized mass gathering – forbidden for all without advance permission.

In fact they even indirectly mentioned that they would be better off without these everyday Shirk committing people – they consider Bohras as heretics

rumors from well placed sources, that some authorities including OIC may classify Bohras and their practices as unIslamic

KSA,

Your religious views aside, you are dangerously nonchalant about the Arab Government getting into religious beliefs which are personal. What if they come after you next ? Remember, you can kiss Arab butt as long as you want, but you will never be one {and that's a good thing}.