POVERTY IN BOHRAS

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POVERTY IN BOHRAS

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Unread post by SBM » Sat Aug 29, 2009 4:45 pm

TO ALL THOSE KOTHARI CHAMCHAS WHO SAY THAT BOHRAS ARE DOING BETTER, SEE THE FOLLOWING POSTINGS:
(from MAULMAAT YAHOO GROUP

Dear Friends
We have a few families known who have requested for Food Grains and a few
medical help. Anyone keen to help please let us know. If anyone wishes they can
send anaj or medicines to us and we will do the needful of reaching it to the
beneficiaries else if anyone wishes we can give name of beneficiary directly.
Salaams
Husain

Dear Friends
We have a very needy person application who is a retired man about 70 years old
from Kolkata. He has luckily been selected to go for Haj Pilgirmage this year
with raza and doa mubarak of Aqa Moula (TUS). He has put all his savings and
also taken a lot of karz on his head to go for this pilgrimage.
He is very very needy. Anybody keen to help please let us know. We will give
complete details of him.
Thanks and Doa Iltimas.
Husain
Medical Help

Dear Freinds
A gentleman by the name of Abbas Bhai works as a building manager getting salary
about Rs. 6000/- per month. He undergo eye cataract operation of his wife and he
needs Rs. 20,000 to pay off his debts.
He is about 75 years old - only wife and husband staying in Mumbra. Who ever
wishes to help in this mubarak month of Shehrulla - please inform.
Salaams
Husain

Dear all
A needy family staying in Siddhpur require food grains and some medicines. The
main working head of the house met with a serious accident and is in coma in
Patan General Hospital.
He has a wife and 3 daughters and 1 son. Anybody who wishes to help please
respond.
We will then give full details of beneficiary.
Thanks and Salaams
Husain

Tue Aug 25, 2009 6:01 am
Giants Mumbai South <ggmumbaisouth@...>
ggmumbaisouth

On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 7:13 PM, Giants Mumbai South <ggmumbaisouth@...> wrote:
Dear Friends
Fatema Asger Kheriwala staying in Nala Sopara needs college fees. Her parents are running from pillar and post for the same. Name of her father is Asgarally Kheriwala and their mobile number is 99754 00264 Savings a/c no 72545 Asgarally S. Bijoliywala - Union Bank of India, Princess Street branch, Mumbai 400 002
Any help is welcome. Please call directly the beneficiary for more details.
Doa Iltimas.
Shabbir Husain

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Unread post by SBM » Sat Aug 29, 2009 5:05 pm

Dear all
There is a senior citizen from our community staying in Mumbra but at the
moement being treated on a leg surgey and an eye retina operation. Patient is
very very needy and is falling short of about Rs. 50,000/-
The patient is a mumin mukhlis. Any help would be welcome. Anyone who is keen to
help please let us know. We will then give the name and contact details of the
patient.
Thanks
Regards
Shabbir Husain

Dear Friends
Fatema Asger Kheriwala staying in Nala Sopara needs college fees. Her parents
are running from pillar and post for the same. Name of her father is Asgarally
Kheriwala and their mobile number is 99754 00264 Savings a/c no 72545 Asgarally
S. Bijoliywala - Union Bank of India, Princess Street branch, Mumbai 400 002
Any help is welcome. Please call directly the beneficiary for more details.

Doa Iltimas.

Shabbir Husain

Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:43 am
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Unread post by jayanti » Sat Aug 29, 2009 5:38 pm

Their might be POVERTY IN PROGRESSIVE TOO.If you can help in this month of ramadan thats good.

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Unread post by SBM » Sat Aug 29, 2009 7:26 pm

Yes there might be but Progressive do not have AQA MOULA AND SHEZADAS who collect millions of dollars/rupees and act as if every Dawoodi Bohra is doing well because of DUA of SHAFIQ BAWA..

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Unread post by Smart » Sun Aug 30, 2009 4:05 am

@Omabharati
Why don't you understand, that these are the mojezas of their AQA MOULA! There is a special maslehat in their suffering and the prosperity of the goons in the Kothar and the "Royal" family. Aa badhu taavil ane haqiqat ni vaato chhe, razaa vagar tamne samjhavi na sakay. Ask Jayanti Bhaisaheb, he is sure to agree with all this.

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Unread post by SBM » Sun Sep 06, 2009 6:54 am

FROM MALUMAAT MESSAGE BOARD
Dear all
There is a family in Mumbai - Husband, wife, father, mother and 2 sons out of
which one son is suffering from convulsion (fits) at 3 years he was suffering
from left focal convulsion and then right focal at age of 6 and then again left
focal at age of 7 . The boy has to undergo numerous tests, doctors say it is
mela syndrome. The boy now 9 years is suffering from Long Curly Eyelashes,
growth retardation, mental retardation, hyperactive, ptosis - right eye and left
eye and expenses to a tune of 17000/- per month at saifee hospital - dr. shehla
shaikh says it is hemefacial atrophyl, ataxic after convulsion for almost 10-15
days. At present he is under on growth hormone treatment - injection humatrope,
somatropin 18 iu for which they need 14000/- per month and restasis eye drops
for Rs. 3000/- per month. Both their sons are slow learners and go to remedial
school 2000/- per month + 400 ot fees.
elder boy taher is 11 years.
The husband has an office in Mumbai and is supplier of ball bearings but is
unable to spend 17000/- each month. An earnest request to Mumeneen staying all
over the world to please come up and help this family.
I have the names and numbers of this family and will give once anyone keen to
help.
Shukran
Husain

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sun Sep 06, 2009 4:41 pm

omabharti wrote:expenses to a tune of 17000/- per month at saifee hospital
Where are those gullible bohras who shouted at the top of their voice that Saifee Hospital is for the needy bohras ? Mola ni su shaan chhe ke mumin na behtari maate hospital banavi chhe (with 50 times the required amount extorted from bohras to build one hospital).

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Unread post by mumin » Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:28 am

Such news grieves me. Here in our small jamat in the south of u.s. $1752.00 is collected from each family for sabil . .a huge amount even as per u.s. standards. Ofcourse no accountability by the local committee . There are about 40 families. Lavish living for the amil and lavish food throughout ramadan.

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Unread post by SBM » Fri Sep 11, 2009 6:23 pm

Dear all
With due respect and permission from beneficiary I wish to inform all that the
following mumeneen residing in Mumbai require Muwasaat. Some help has been
rendered to them through their respective Mohalla Tanzeems but that is not
sufficient. All below have been surveyed by us and any mumeneen who wish to help
them may please contact them directly:-

1. M----k S. G----n
Sitafal Wadi
Lighthouse building.
Has 1 room staying with wife and 1 son Mannan and daughter Fateme. Requires
muwasaat urgently for medical as he himself requires medical treatment. Very
very needy. Contact no. 6657 1735. Mob:- 98336 72552
2. N------n R-------a
Meher Mansion
4th floor, Room No. 73
Opp Mazagaon Post office
Mazagaon
Mumbai 400 010
Ph:- 66572102
Mob:- 98192 97137
Family very needy but son is brilliant and getting opportunity to study in the
US to the University of North Texas. But mother cannot send him due to no funds.

3.T-----m S-----r P------a
Husband in Kuwait - 1 daughter and 1 son staying with Tasneem Bhen. Husband is a
labourer in Kuwait and sends her Rs. 7000/- per month but not regular. Very
needy and requires money for household, school fees and medicine. Mob:- 99676
78612

4. I-----l Bhai S--------a
Working as liftman in Jamali Masjid, Mumbai
Requires money to go to Karbala for him and his wife.

In this mubarak month of Shehrullah we earnestly request all to try and help the
above and gain doa and khushi mubarak of Aqa Moula(TUS)
Salaams
Husain
I BLACKED OUT THE NAMES BUT CAN BE FOUND ON MALUMAAT YAHOO MESSAGE BOARD

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Unread post by SBM » Sat Sep 19, 2009 5:01 pm

S Insaf Bhai
Can you use your contacts with Old Boys Assoc of Saboo Siddik (Kader Khan Group) to see if any thing can be done for this boy
and where is Dawat E Hadiyah or Shiate Ali to help him. Oh I forgot he is going for Engineering and not B.A.

From Malumaat Yahoo Group
Dear all
A mumin mukhlis bhai from Mumbai who is a hawker at Chor Bazar selling garage
tools requires urgently college fees about Rs.74000/- for his son studying at
the Saboo Sidduique Polytechnic College in Mumbai. His son secured first class
first in the 1st academic year. If now fees are not paid in time he could lose
his seat.
The father is running from pillar to post to do something. If any one wish to
help they may please contact the father Ismail Bhai on 98215 82959.
Thanks and Salaams
Husain

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Unread post by SBM » Wed Sep 30, 2009 8:54 pm

Dear all
From Malumaat Yahoo group
With due respect and permission from beneficiary I wish to inform all that the
following mumeneen residing in Mumbai require Muwasaat. Some help has been
rendered to them through their respective Mohalla Tanzeems but that is not
sufficient. All below have been surveyed by us and any mumeneen who wish to help
them may please contact them directly:-
1. Mustak S. Golkhan
Sitafal Wadi
Lighthouse building.
Has 1 room staying with wife and 1 son Mannan and daughter Fateme. Requires
muwasaat urgently for medical as he himself requires medical treatment. Very
very needy. Contact no. 6657 1735. Mob:- 98336 72552
2. Nishreen Rangwala
Meher Mansion
4th floor, Room No. 73
Opp Mazagaon Post office
Mazagaon
Mumbai 400 010
Ph:- 66572102
Mob:- 98192 97137
Family very needy but son is brilliant and getting opportunity to study in the
US to the University of North Texas. But mother cannot send him due to no funds.
3.Tasneem Shabbir Pardawala
Husband in Kuwait - 1 daughter and 1 son staying with Tasneem Bhen. Husband is a
labourer in Kuwait and sends her Rs. 7000/- per month but not regular.. Very
needy and requires money for household, school fees and medicine. Mob:- 99676
78612
4. Ismail Bhai Siddhpurwala
Working as liftman in Jamali Masjid, Mumbai
Requires money to go to Karbala for him and his wife.
Call - 2373 0012
In this mubarak month of Shehrullah we earnestly request all to try and help the
above and gain doa and khushi mubarak of Aqa Moula(TUS)
Salaams
Husain
Again my question to AQZ and Mutmaeen, how come Kotharis cannot help people like Mustak Golkhan in the Saifee Hospital which is supposedly take care of needy Bohras
Also Ismail Bhai who has done Khidmat being a liftman in Jamali Masjid ( I am sure salary is not that great) can not be helped by Faiz E Husainy to provide him and his wife a life time wish of going to Karbala
AQZ AND MUTMAEEN HAVE BEEN DEFENDER OF THE CORRUPT KOTHARIS PLEASE DO RESPOND AND DONOT BRING PROGRESSIVES FOR THEIR POVERTY AS I HAVE ALREADY ANSWERED THAT BEFORE

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Unread post by Al-Muizz » Sun Oct 04, 2009 11:27 pm

Well, we have a Program called Hawaij. You can check it out in Dawaat E Hadiyah USA.

Basically, if there are needy cases please do send them to us. We are responding to as many requests as we can get.

Remember, it is so easy to criticize. If all of you here would just help those needy Bohras instead of posting it here for all, the problems would be quickly solved. Evidently, Sherullah has done little to you guys........what's new?

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Unread post by SBM » Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:00 am

Al Muizz
The posting has all the information, why can not you or Dawat E Hadiya contact them directly since the information is already there. By posting here, I do not mean to demonize those unfortunate souls or criticise anyone but to bring to the attention of Kotharis like you who visit this forum, Now you know who they are, let DAWAT E HADIYAH contact them directly and help them isntead of asking them to contact you. I know there are some progressives who are also helping these people without pulicising their identities.

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Unread post by SBM » Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:44 pm

From Malumaat Message Board
Dear Friends
Vishwadar is a small gaam in Rajasthan. Mumeneen during the month of Ramazaan
cannot afford having neeyaz everyday the cost of which is about Rs. 15000/- per
neeyaz.
This year during the month of Ramazaan neeyaz on all days was not possible but
on neeyat and positive response from mumeneen all over the world they did all 30
neeyaz for which the received contributions but still not sufficient for entire
month. At the moment they are falling short of Rs. 30,000 only(2 neeyaz amount).

Anyone who wishes to contribute and obtain baraqaat of these 2 shehrullah neeyaz
may please inform us or contact Vishwadar Janab Amil Saheb directly on 94281
78651.
Long Live our beloved Aqa Moula(TUS) ta qaymat.
Salaams
Husain
THE QUESTION IS WHERE IS AQA MOULA WHO IS SUPPOSEDLY SHAFIQUE AND HOW COME HE OR HIS GOON SHEZADAS CANNOT PROVIDE Rs 30.000 to these needy people instead of giving 2 Crores to Narendra Modi and $250,000 to George Bush and another 2 crores to BJP Govt.
LET US SEE HOW THE ZOMBIES AND OTHER BRAIN DEAD JUSTIFY THIS...I KNOW THEY WILL WITH TWISTED ARGUMENTS

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Unread post by Aarif » Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:06 pm

Dear Friends
Vishwadar is a small gaam in Rajasthan. Mumeneen during the month of Ramazaan
cannot afford having neeyaz everyday the cost of which is about Rs. 15000/- per
neeyaz.
This year during the month of Ramazaan neeyaz on all days was not possible but
on neeyat and positive response from mumeneen all over the world they did all 30
neeyaz for which the received contributions but still not sufficient for entire
month. At the moment they are falling short of Rs. 30,000 only(2 neeyaz amount).

Anyone who wishes to contribute and obtain baraqaat of these 2 shehrullah neeyaz
may please inform us or contact Vishwadar Janab Amil Saheb directly on 94281
78651.
Long Live our beloved Aqa Moula(TUS) ta qaymat.
Salaams
Husain
Again this story is crappy and makes no sense whatsoever as you do not need 15000 per niyaz in a small village unless they are ordering 5 course meal from Hyatt or TAJ. :roll:

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Unread post by SBM » Tue Oct 27, 2009 2:01 pm

Aarif
This is plausible because if you take into account that usually it costs about Rs300-400 per Thaal and if there are 250-300 people then it would cost that kind of money.
Regardless the point is where is KOTHAR not helping, they always make big deal about 9th Mohrram NIYAZ from Aqa Moula all over the world. Instead of doing that he can send the money to take care of this jamaat. (Nothing comes from Aqa Moula except Ghano Jivo)

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Unread post by Aarif » Tue Oct 27, 2009 4:01 pm

omabharti wrote:Regardless the point is where is KOTHAR not helping, they always make big deal about 9th Mohrram
NIYAZ from Aqa Moula all over the world. Instead of doing that he can send the money to take care of this jamaat. (Nothing comes from Aqa Moula except Ghano Jivo)
Well, this point is extremely valid everywhere in the world whereever there are bohras and whereever there is Kothar. The fact is that Kothar is capable of sponsoring jaman for all the mumineen accross the world. But we all know they want do it. Kothar only knows to collect money. When it comes to collecting money they will make sure everyone pays but when it comes to spending it they will only spend it on themselves.

Regardless of that 15000 is a big amount. In villages Niyaz Jamans do not cost more than 200-250 bucks per thaal and the population cannot be more than 200-250 at the max, otherwise its not a village. The point that I am trying to make is that we should try and figure out the authenticity of stuff we paste here regardless of its source.

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Unread post by Punewala » Wed Oct 28, 2009 4:03 am

Bro Aarif

regardless of size of village or town "the Salam and Laagat of Jumaat is same and believe me its very high".so for me Rs. 15000 is not a surprise even for a small village and don't forget the cost of living has also increased to a grt extent.

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Unread post by Aarif » Wed Oct 28, 2009 10:43 am

"the Salam and Laagat of Jumaat is same and believe me its very high".
Br. PW,

I have been part of the community in the past where we use to pay for multiple jamans in Mumbai. The salaam and laagat is not needed for each Niyaz jaman. And even if the cost of living has increased this still looks little inflated for a small village.

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Unread post by Safiuddin » Wed Oct 28, 2009 10:46 pm

omabharti wrote: Regardless the point is where is KOTHAR not helping, they always make big deal about 9th Mohrram
NIYAZ from Aqa Moula all over the world. Instead of doing that he can send the money to take care of this jamaat. (Nothing comes from Aqa Moula except Ghano Jivo)
I agree with you oma. The point here is not really the actual cost of the niaz jamans, but the fact that there is one of Burhanuddin's so called "farzandos" that are having a really hard time. In the meantime, TUS and his family are on vacation in Iraq. And when they're done there, they'll go back to India or London or Germany. . .for more vacations. His people and his flock however, will have to manage on their own.
or wait - his people will be taken care of by God, since Burhanuddin is all- benevelont and he can intercede with him directly. The little key chain pictures, the car dashboard pictures, the nmaazi rumaals that the gave them - all of these things will magically keep all mumineen kush-o-khurram.
Cleverly stealing the last 2 words from what was probably a Quranic aayaat, he implies that he has been given titles and powers by God. I have seen him do not ONE benevelont thing for anyone. What I see him do is sit and collect money and uttter foolish platitutdes, designed to elicit awe and submission. In Iraq he poses for pictures while his people drape him in fabrics and cover his chair with embroidered linens. He sits while "honorary degrees" and certificates are propped up around him like some erstwhile statue in a shrine - and the people come to worship it.
(Hmmmmm... . . .Hasn't this historiccaly been the way humans have worshipped their invented gods? )

These people are not DOING anything for others. They are instead acculturating the Bohris to whatever self-defined norms they have invented. This "dawat" is the biggest scam I can imagine.

If he and his family truly lived like Ali, actually practiced what they preached, cared for the poor as Ahle-Bait did, and stoppped practicing hypocrisy, I would fall over my myself to sit at their feet. But what these people care about is money, absolute power, real estate, lavish foods, constant free travel, and international fame and recognition. The world publicity in turn will bring them what they love most of all: free money.

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Unread post by SBM » Fri Feb 19, 2010 9:33 pm

From Malumaat message board
QUESTION TO HN AND GUY
YOU SAID THERE IN NO POVERTY IN BOHRAS AND MAULA TAKES CARE OF ALL, WHY JAMALI MOHALLA MUWASSAT CANNOT TAKE CARE OF HER, WHERE ARE YOUR SHEZAADAS, THAT ONE ENVELOPE WHICH MALUMAAT REMOVED FROM ITS WEBSITE WOULD TAKE CARE OF THIS LADY'S PLIGHT.
Dear all
I have a very sad matter to relate to all mumeneen across the world. There is a mumena bahen who is staying at Wadala, Mumbai. Her Husband is old and retired. Has 2 daughters who used to give tuition and run the house but now they both are married. Has an elder son who got married and settled in South. Now she only has one son who is very young and recently got aa job in south mumbai in a hardware shop at Rs. 3000/- per month.

The lady used to earn abt 300/- 400 /- per month earlier by doing kinari ghutvu work but now that too has stopped. She is old - about 65 years old and physically unfit. To top it she stays as a sub tenant at a mhada house at wadala, mumbai. The landlord has asked her to vacate the house in the next 2-3 days. She has no money and nowhere to go. The Jamali Mohalla Muwasaat committee have helped her but she needs help to take another room on rent.
All mumeneen are requested to come forward and do their bit.
I have not put her name and number in this email as I would be more keen that people who are keen to help may please inform us and we will then give details one is to one.
Long Live our beloved Huzureala(TUS)
With best Salaams
Husain
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Unread post by SBM » Fri Feb 19, 2010 9:36 pm

DID ANYONE NOTICE THAT KOTHARIS AND ABDES ARE ABSENT ON THIS THREAD.
all the posting came from Malumaat Message Board and does not require proof

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Unread post by Human » Sat Feb 20, 2010 12:10 am

omabharti wrote:DID ANYONE NOTICE THAT KOTHARIS AND ABDES ARE ABSENT ON THIS THREAD.
all the posting came from Malumaat Message Board and does not require proof
Yes Oma, you are absolutely right. It is very sad to see so many in our community going through a hard time and not getting any help whatsoever.

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Unread post by haqqun nafs » Sat Feb 20, 2010 12:28 am

HUMAN BEING WILL NEVER BE FREE FROM POVERTY,EVEN IN THE ERA OF MUHMMED(SAW) THERE WHERE THOUSANDS OF POOR PEOPLE.

THIS IS THE BALANCE CREATED BY NATURE AND WE ARE NO ONE TO QUESTION NATURE ABOUT THIS CYCLE OF POORTY AND RICHNESS.

IT IS BETTER TO HELP POOR IN SUCH A WAY NO ONE KNOWS INSTEAD OF EXPOSSING THEM ON INTERNET AND MAKING JOKES OF THEM


LANAAAT BESHUMAAAR

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Unread post by Human » Sat Feb 20, 2010 12:41 am

haqqun nafs wrote:HUMAN BEING WILL NEVER BE FREE FROM POVERTY,EVEN IN THE ERA OF MUHMMED(SAW) THERE WHERE THOUSANDS OF POOR PEOPLE.

THIS IS THE BALANCE CREATED BY NATURE AND WE ARE NO ONE TO QUESTION NATURE ABOUT THIS CYCLE OF POORTY AND RICHNESS.

IT IS BETTER TO HELP POOR IN SUCH A WAY NO ONE KNOWS INSTEAD OF EXPOSSING THEM ON INTERNET AND MAKING JOKES OF THEM


LANAAAT BESHUMAAAR
Haqqun_nafs, instead of uttering laanat please go and help a few fellow brothers who are poor and in serious need of help. Yes you are right that rich and poor co-exist in this world, but it is also our moral duty to help out the poor. If we are lucky enough to have a good life, definately we should be able to help poor people too. It is called humanity, please refer to wikipedia regarding this.

And I'm pretty sure that there are enough decent people in the community that would help these poor and needy. However the question is not that, the question is how much money does kothaar hold and yet they don't do anything for the sake of humanity. If they don't donate in any charities for kids, disabled, orphans, victims of natural disasters (Haiti earthquake recently); you justify that they are not mumins. But then what about mumins who are in need? Are they being helped? If they were, these emails might not be in circulation. The emails are only sent out in hope that it would reach the right person and he would help, I don't think making jokes of them is the intention here. Oma is just trying to shed light on kothaar and our daawat that holds so much money yet fails to help the needy.

You and everyone also already knows about the rooms filled with money, gold etc in saifee mahal. As the orthos said in other threads that it is 'baap ki jaagir' of moula and he can do anything he pleases. As a good leader why wouldn't he help the community? Did you read the biography of Mother Teresa yet?

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Unread post by Maqbool » Sat Feb 20, 2010 2:37 am

HUMAN BEING WILL NEVER BE FREE FROM POVERTY,EVEN IN THE ERA OF MUHMMED(SAW) THERE WHERE THOUSANDS OF POOR PEOPLE.

THIS IS THE BALANCE CREATED BY NATURE AND WE ARE NO ONE TO QUESTION NATURE ABOUT THIS CYCLE OF POORTY AND RICHNESS.

IT IS BETTER TO HELP POOR IN SUCH A WAY NO ONE KNOWS INSTEAD OF EXPOSSING THEM ON INTERNET AND MAKING JOKES OF THEM


LANAAAT BESHUMAAAR

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That is what we are saying. Collecting a huge amount covered under envelop should be used in such a way that no one should come to public for help. Now there is a full data base of mumenins along with their income, then why they are coming public and in some cases some body helps that is also attributed to sayedna and the envelop is going to the swiss bank. Now please tell me to whom this Lanat Besumar!!

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Unread post by haqqun nafs » Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:20 am

Maqbool wrote:
HUMAN BEING WILL NEVER BE FREE FROM POVERTY,EVEN IN THE ERA OF MUHMMED(SAW) THERE WHERE THOUSANDS OF POOR PEOPLE.

THIS IS THE BALANCE CREATED BY NATURE AND WE ARE NO ONE TO QUESTION NATURE ABOUT THIS CYCLE OF POORTY AND RICHNESS.

IT IS BETTER TO HELP POOR IN SUCH A WAY NO ONE KNOWS INSTEAD OF EXPOSSING THEM ON INTERNET AND MAKING JOKES OF THEM


LANAAAT BESHUMAAAR

HN (Jutani Dori) Shoe lace
That is what we are saying. Collecting a huge amount covered under envelop should be used in such a way that no one should come to public for help. Now there is a full data base of mumenins along with their income, then why they are coming public and in some cases some body helps that is also attributed to sayedna and the envelop is going to the swiss bank. Now please tell me to whom this Lanat Besumar!!
logic behind my ID shoelace is to promote being humble like a shoelace,but any way that philosophy is too high for a sick mind like yours.

Right
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Re: POVERTY IN BOHRAS

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Unread post by Right » Sat Feb 20, 2010 5:00 am

haqqun nafs wrote:
Maqbool wrote:
HN (Jutani Dori) Shoe lace
That is what we are saying. Collecting a huge amount covered under envelop should be used in such a way that no one should come to public for help. Now there is a full data base of mumenins along with their income, then why they are coming public and in some cases some body helps that is also attributed to sayedna and the envelop is going to the swiss bank. Now please tell me to whom this Lanat Besumar!!
logic behind my ID shoelace is to promote being humble like a shoelace,but any way that philosophy is too high for a sick mind like yours.
MR HN as usual when the actual time come before you to defend your side, for which you dont have any answer, you diverted the topic from poverty to your name id. We are not interested in,whether your name id is" Shoe Lace" or "Shoe Material" (for your master), we are interested to know what steps have been taken in the community for the helping of poor people.

I have never seen and Zaadas going to any poor or middle class people's house. They always go to the house of rich people. Give the answer why Moula is not sending his sons and grandsons to ordinary bohras house to know their plight. Why they are always going to rich people's house for collecting hude salaams.

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Re: POVERTY IN BOHRAS

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Unread post by Maqbool » Sat Feb 20, 2010 7:27 am

logic behind my ID shoelace is to promote being humble like a shoelace,but any way that philosophy is too high for a sick mind like yours.
OK healthy mind, Now please address the main topic and also topic raised by right.

Hope you will use your healthy mind to reply.

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Re: POVERTY IN BOHRAS

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Unread post by Smart » Sat Feb 20, 2010 9:43 am

@HN
Didn't you say that under the Sayaa of Moula, mumin are prosperous and happy. How come there is so much poverty? The zakaat that is collected in the name of the daawat is supposed to be spent for the poor and the downtrodden.

It is not about rich and poor. It is about the resources of the community being used for the community and not for the ayyaashi of one family.

Shouldn't such enlightened(?) hasti who calls himself the shafeeq bawa of the community, contribute to their welfare? Is this a part of the deen to loot the general public and let the poor starve, when the rich and their masters are being gluttonous?