Rebellion in Canada

[jungle999]

IAM happy for you Frustrated.Mumin
and the people who are supporting you.to get rid of amil .I wish i had some support of few people in my jumaat .they just dont want to know.my last disscusion was in ramzan still they didnt to come to conculsion for my sabil and razza and i just went away from the the discusion and i was so frusted but still iam not going to give up and i will wait for thier reply if its same answer than i will take matter further.

[accountability]

Brother let us know if we could be of any help to you. Bullying only works till the victim does not rise. Dont get frustrated. Please understand that you are not doing any thing wrong. Actually you are doing a virtue by not giving in to extortions. Extortion should have no place in any religion.

[jungle999]

accountability thank you for your support iam was frusted because they are not ready to listen to me but i wil lnot give up to their demand.soon MOHRRAM coming i will wait until then and see what happens

[Frustrated.Mumin]

I wish i had some support of few people in my jumaat .they just dont want to know.

Brother, are you able to tell us which jamaat you belong to?

[jungle999]

Frustrated.Mumin i cant say which jummat at this time BUT i will tell as soon as i can but it will take some time

[Haggi]

Accountability,
Kudos on your endeavours to thwart the efforts of your Aamil to exhort and bully the Jaamat of Mississauga.
I pray, that you are successful and start a snowball effect everywhere.
However, I would like to caution you to be aware of obstacles and perils you may face if your identity is exposed
as you are still in the mainstream Dawoodi Bohra religion and have faith in the Dai. You are opposing a juggernaut
which has has become so powerful that you may be discarded as a mere irritating fly.
Your biggest setback lies in your belief that it is the Aaamils or the local Jaamats who are at fault. As I told you before,
the rot goes all the way to Saifee Mahal whether you admit or not. If you are intelligent enough to see what is wrong
in your Jaamat, why are you so afraid to scrutinise the other short comings of this faith which has morphed into a cult like
entity.
Be careful and good luck,
Wasasalam.

[anajmi]

I pray

That would be a futile exercise. As per your own beliefs, there is no one listening to you.

[Haggi]

Anajmi,
Sorry, but you went over my head. what were trying to say?

[accountability]

Thankyou Haggi, for your support and kind words. I really appreciate your concern and I know they are real. I do believe that I am on the right side and what jamat is pracitcing has nothing to do with religion. Bullying extortion and manipulation should have no place in religion. I know because of extortionist practice and with all the money they have become juggernauts, but look my friend if every body is afraid then humans would never have achieved the level of independence we are having right now. I shall try to be steadfast in my resolve not to be bullied by them.
But let us see. I only wish if more of us could rise and refuse to be slaves or to be bullied.

[anajmi]

Haggi

you said you will pray for accountability. Who are you going to pray to?

[ghulam muhammed]

I recieved a mail the contents of which are now known to most of us. Its encouraging to see that there is someone in canada who is circulating this mail amongst bohras to create awareness which is a good sign. The mail is as under :-

Assalam Aleykum,
In Ramadan 1430, the Mumineen of Mississauga have witnessed a new
level of arrogance from their Amil, Sheikh Ali Akber Attar.

During his bayaan on Sunday September 6th, 2009, the Amil told the
Mumineen of Mississauga that if they do not attend the majlis on
Ramadhan 19th (Imam Ali's shahadat) and did not even come for the
niyaz on that day, then he would question if they were "mumin or not".
Emotional blackmail at its very best!

On Lailat-ul-Qadr, he publicly and shamelessly told off a mumin bhai
for reciting duas in an audible voice (and presumably stealing his own
thunder). The next day, within the clear hearing of several mumineen
waiting outside the Jamaat office, he engaged in a very loud and
emotional argument with the same mumin bhai. The next day, that mumin
bhai suffered a mild stroke - a sheer coincidence or the direct result
of the Amil's high-handed ways?

Shk. Ali Akber Attar has made no secret of the fact that he spies on
Mumineen using the security cameras which have been installed in the
markaz. Apart from the question as to why security cameras are needed
inside the markaz, has anybody given thought to the fact that:

* While on the one hand, our ladies are always required to be seated
behind the purdah, they too are clearly visible from the security
cameras. Who watches these security camera recordings?
* Several young mothers freely nurse their babies in the ladies
section. Who else is watching them?
* Many Mumenaat behno, feeling "safe" behind the purdah, remove their
ridahs and wear namaazi jodis on fazila raats such as Lailat-ul-Qadr.

Shk. Ali Akber Attar has made it compulsory for all Mumineen
households in Mississauga Jamaat (apart from those who had volunteered
to do niyaz in Ramadan) to contribute $252.00 so that all Mumineen can
partake in the "barakaat of doing niyaz". Unless the payment of
$252.00 was made, clearance could not be obtained and wajebaat was not
accepted. The Amil forgets that wajabaat is, by its very basis, wajib
on all Mumineen, whereas the niyaz contribution was just that - a
voluntary contribution. Also, no explanation was given as to what this
money was to be used for given that individual Mumineen had already
volunteered to do niyaz for every day in Ramadan.

Skh.. Ali Akber Attar has also decreed that henceforth razaa will not
be given to any family for any function unless all daughters over the
age of 18 and all sons over the age of 21 are registered with the
ITNC. Several Mumineen that I personally know of are facing problems
at home with their teenage children refusing to attend markaz because
of the pressure to register with ITNC. Instead of encouraging Mumineen
children to attend markaz and participate in Jamaat activities, the
Amil is turning them away.

The most dastardly thing done this Ramadan, and quite possibly the
lowest level that any Jamaat anywhere has ever stooped to, was the
public announcement of the names of the Mumineen who had not paid
wajebaat. This was a clear attempt to "name and shame". If his
intention was to humiliate these Mumineen into submission to his
demands, his action may have completely backfired on him. For the
first time that I can recall, a petition was circulated among Mumineen
the next day condemning the public announcement of the names. And
several Mumineen freely and openly signed the petition.
In one of his bayans, the Amil inadvertently revealed that the
decision on how much wajebaat a Mumin is asked to pay is based on the
car that the Mumin drives! As he put it, "Look at the car, and you
will know what that Mumin's capabilities are".

Now that Ramadan is nearly over, Shk. Ali Akber Attar will be going
full steam ahead with the new masjid project. As he said, even if one
takes a cautious number of 100 Mumineen who own homes in Mississauga,
and each home has a value of at least $250,000.00, the Mumineen of
Mississauga Jamaat are "sitting on $25,000,000.00". I guess those 100
Mumineen had better sell their homes and pay up the sale proceeds to
Shk. Ali Akber Attar.

It is high time this arrogant Amil, who has been sent here to SERVE
Mumineen, is stopped. We always complain, yet we do nothing. Mumineen
of Mississauga, enough is enough. either stand up and refuse to let a
bully walk all over you or else follow his personal farmans and stop
complaining behind his back.

If any of you have the contact of any Shahzada Sahebs or Bhai Sahebs,
please pass on this information to them.
Wassalam.

[Frustrated.Mumin]

I recieved a mail the contents of which are now known to most of us. Its encouraging to see that there is someone in canada who is circulating this mail amongst bohras to create awareness which is a good sign.

Brother,

We are slowly achieving some success in Mississauga. But we cannot sit back and relax. Let's continue our struggle. Please circulate the mail as many mumineen in Mississauga as you can. Tell them about www.frustratedmumineen.webs.com. Tell them about this forum on www.dawoodi-bohras.com. And most importantly, tell them to speak up.

[Harassed]

Brother FM and other like minded brothers :
You are correct let us keep on intensifying our struggle to rid our jammat of this amil, complaceny should not set in. Already talking to other folks in the jammat who hitherto were all for getting rid of him , now I get the feeling of a sense of resignation in them, the " soo karsu" attitude, so let us continue to keep up the pressure and seek all assitance we can get..
I intend to write to Vazarat Mumbai citing his mid deeds and ill treatment of the jamaat members , and requesting his transfer, hope others write too ,you can do it anonymously if you so desire.
Does any body know which Shahzada Saheb is in charge of the amils so that I can write direcltyto him.

[Haggi]

Haggi

you said you will pray for accountability. Who are you going to pray to?

Anajmi,
Thank you for bringing me down to earth. Yes you are are right, who can I pray to ? Yes, you deduce right that I have almost given up on organised religion and I concur with Karl Marx that religion is the opium for the masses. When I used the term "pray' I probably meant wish or encouragement in his endeavours.

[anajmi]

Haggi,

You see, with no religion, there is no praying, and there is no hoping and there is no wishing. If you do not believe in a higher authority, then you cannot pray. If there is no higher authority that can change outcomes, there is no hoping and if there is no higher authority listening to your prayers, there is no wishing.

[Admin]

This is an important topic and we won't allow it to be derailed by irrelevant and personal discussion.

[Admin]

anajmi, pls do not repost messages that have been deleted. If you insist on making your point pls start another thread. Thanks.

[anajmi]

Admin,

A reply has to be given in the right thread. If you insist on deleting posts, then you should do that so that the entire conversation is deleted. By leaving fart's post directed to me and not giving me an opportunity to respond is not fair. You should remove the last post from him directed to me, or give me an opportunity to respond.

[Admin]

Point taken.

[anajmi]

Thank you.

[Fatwa Banker]

Admin,

My initial post , which you deleted, was a response to Anajmi's post to Haggi. It was not personal, and I do not initiate personal or otherwise abusive posts, I simply respond to Anajmi's attacks (to all my posts) in kind. I respect your judgement , but deleting my initial post was arbitrary and not consistent with your reasoning given that you kept Anajmi's post that I originally responded to. Either they are both off-topic, or not.

Anyway, trivial stuff and not something I would lose sleep over.

[Admin]

Fatwar Banker,
Anajmi was responding to Haggi, so we left it there. Your response to Anajmi, although not personal, started the conversation between you two that got off-topic and became personal that is why we removed the whole conversation.

[accountability]

Mississauga Amil has had little brush attiquete. His arrogance is endless. FM, I have heard that he got extension from jamaat, But his visa still needs extension. I tried to check with ministry of immigration, but could not find out.

[Frustrated.Mumin]

Brother Accountability,

The vazaraat is bound to extend the Amil's tenure in Mississauga. He is doing exactly what vazaraat orders him to do and moreover the main objective right now is to build the new masjid in Mississauga. The last thing that vazaraat will want to do is change leadership in Mississauga which will result in a delay in the masjid building project.

The thing which the mumineen of Mississauga can continue doing though is to question the actions of the Amil. Already he has mellowed down considerably as a result of our actions since Ramadhan. Always be ready to question whatever you feel is wrong with the jamaat. Remember, it is our money that is paying his salary and upkeep and our money which is running the jamaat. We have a right to question any misuse or abuse.

If you find that the Amil is abusive or arrogant to you, stand up to him. Many Mississaugans have started standing up to the Amil and, believe me, the Amil backs down very quickly. He always tries his usual heavy handed tactics, but if you refuse to let him bully you, he backs down faster than you can ever imagine.

If you still feel strongly about the Amil's actions, you can write to your local MP and MPP. Who knows, if enough people write to their MPs, the issue may even be raised in the House of Commons.

[accountability]

brother FM, you are right about vazarat. They have hard time finding amils for america and canada due to visa restrictions. I know Vazarat was not able to get visa for many places in america. So they are keeping the same amil. Regarding mississauga amil, he should tender apology for what he did in ramadan.

[Al Zulfiqar]

brother FM, you are right about vazarat. They have hard time finding amils for america and canada due to visa restrictions. I know Vazarat was not able to get visa for many places in america. So they are keeping the same amil. Regarding mississauga amil, he should tender apology for what he did in ramadan.

accty,

amil and apology? no way! even now he is defiant. perhaps a bit contrite, but definitely not remorseful. its more like he has a simmering resentment but cant express it for fear of further repurcussions. this is the time to be even stronger against him, because any slackening of efforts and he will climb on our heads again. I am seriously considering arranging a meeting with bonnie crombie, MP from Streetsville and enlisting her help.

some bohras have commented that carrying this too far will be counter-productive, because if this fellow is deported, kothar may send next guy who might be worse. i dont agree. i think teaching this tyrant a lesson will serve as an eye-opener to kothar and also help our fellow jamaats in north america to stand up and fight against unbridled authoritarianism.

[questions]

See how the kothar 'rewards' those aamils that are hated by their communities?

http://www.mississaugajamaat.com/misal_mkd.pdf

['sauga dude]

Assalam aleykum,

For all those abdes who come on this forum and try to convince others that moulana is not a part of the mis-management and that the rot does not reach all the way to the top - this is clear and ample proof. This a a slap on the face directly from moulana to the mumineen of Mississauga who have been suffering under this Amil. Instead of calling people to dawaat, moulana is pushing more and more youth away from the dawaat, especially in Western countries, by 'rewarding' corrupt and arrogant Amils such as Sheikh Ali Akber.

ALMUKHLISO FI KHIDMAT DAWAT my foot! Come and ask the mumineen of Mississauga what kind of a mukhlis this Amil is before you "graciously" bestow rewards on him.

Shame!

[Al Zulfiqar]

the mississauga amil rewarded for his arrogance and high handedness with an MKD on the occasion of syedna's salgirah, is a crushing blow to all those who were trying their meagre, albeit heroic attempts at reform.

on salgirah day an announcement was made in mississauga of 3 new MKD's being awarded. 1 in mississauga and 2 in buffalo, which falls under mississauga's jurisdiction. i believe that the no. of MKD's in 'sauga are now about 6, this must have been a bitter pill for the amil to swallow as he is just a shaikh. i suppose some ear whispering in mumbai has resulted in him being awarded this crappy title.

just look at the arrogance of the amil and the sycophancy of the backside lickers.. there is one sheikh dahodwala, who is the permanent baby sitter of the amil's 2 year old son. the amil's wife prefers to enjoy instead of looking after her kids. the amil's young daughters sit next to him and are to be offered any sherbet etc by the fawning idiots and treated as his equal. during majlises etc, the amil's son is being carried around by committee members at his bidding. there is a saying: you get the govt or leader you deserve. as long as bohras keep lending their *****, they will get kicks on their fat rumps. the amil is nothing but your bloody servant. he is here to serve you, not the other way around.

[anajmi]

What does MKD stand for? And I am looking for the actual meaning!!