Imam Husayn's last visit to Prophet's tomb

[porus]

When JIbraeel brought the news of Husayn's birth to Prophet, he also told him that he must train his grandson to fulfill Allah's pledge (amaanat) in Karbala. Jibraeel stretched out his hand as if to pick something up. It was the sand from Karbala. He gave the sand to the Prophet and said that it would turn blood-red when the time for the redemption of the pledge is near. Prophet bottled the sand and gave it to Fatema.

Following Muawiya's death, Yazid summoned Husayn to come from Madina to Damascus to offer a pledge of loyalty. He warned Husayn that his failure to do his (Yazid's) bidding would result in his decapitation and shaming of the women of his family by having them march be-naqaab in public.

Husayn decided that it was time to prepare for martyrdom and confront Yazid by taking up the invitation of the Kufans to lead the confrontation. But he first went to the tomb of the Prophet to pay his respects. There, he had a vision of the Prophet who told him of his imminent death while in a state of hunger and thirst, and assured Jannat for him and hell for his enemies. Then, the face of the Prophet became dark. Husayn asked what was the meaning of this apparition. Prophet replied that his face was covered with the dust from Karbala and that he would return to angels in that condition.

Following the final visits to the graves of Fatema and Hasan, Husayn left Madina for Makka with his family and supporters on 4 Shaban 60 AH (680 AD). His intention for Haj was frustrated by the intelligence that Yazi'ds supporters would harm him in Makka and defile the Kaaba in the Haram.

He avoided Haj and was martyred in Karbala on 10 Muharram 61 AH.

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mashallah...salawaat on ahlul bayt,and may Allah curse killers of ahlul bayt Ameen


naare takbeer
Allahu akbar

naare haideri
ya Alii

[anajmi]

incredible.

Responses like yours are used by the bohra clergy to subdue the brainwashed bohras. You should ask if the story presented is another lost Iranian legend or if it has some reality in it. Many of the stories presented to ignorant bohras are simply fairy tales that would put both hollywood and bollywood to shame.

[incredible]

incredible.

Responses like yours are used by the bohra clergy to subdue the brainwashed bohras. You should ask if the story presented is another lost Iranian legend or if it has some reality in it. Many of the stories presented to ignorant bohras are simply fairy tales that would put both hollywood and bollywood to shame.

hussain was killed and thats the reality, any thing and every thing associated with it is truth based on facts.

[anajmi]

So I am assuming that you can present the facts right?

[anajmi]

Consider this posted on another thread by Safiuddin

You are right (no pun intended) . . ..Of course this is a mockery of Islam, everything TUS and his family DOES is a mockery. These mataming instructions are very effectively and cleverly being used for control. The words which scare me the most are "thodi second na lidhe a aakhri maatam che". The listeners then personally associate themselves with Husain. He was a martyr. He died for me. My Moula is here and I'm doing maatam like it might be my last - and if it IS, then I'd better do it even harder. Hawe to main maara Moula na paase choon. The continual rythmic beat, the warmth in the room, the rose water to provide refreshing reflief - all of this is very cleverly orchestrated. This goes on until someone changes the beat by creating a chant that has a different beat.

Even WHEN to stop matam is carefully controlled by someone with a mike.
TUS and the TUS-Alikes know exactly why EVERY gathering now has matam in it. They try and associate TUS with Husain and Allah. .
Watch them when the majlis is in matam. They very gently do matam themselves, and stay away from everyone. TUS backs out of the fray because the FRENZY that the matam causes might sweep them into the fray.
Sometimes Burhanuddin will act like he is really overwhelmed and will strike his chest - the majlis goes out of control. And that is EXACTLY the effect they want.
I remember they never did sajda on the takhat on Ashura when I was a child. They actually have the audacity now to mimic and recreate the final sajda of Husain Imam.
Now Bohris wait breathlessly, and dream all of their lives to see - their Aqa Moula's sajda on Ashura. In their minds they associate Burahnuddin with Husain.
Today even the Kaaba was hung behind him - so that all present could see how Burhanuddin was right NEXT to God. It's VERY effective mind control.

These are VERY dangerous, shrewd, and powerful people. These people are throat-slashing liars and pretendors. They are very skilled actors.
They need to be called on the carpet.

This began a few decades ago with fairy tales like porus is presenting and people like you shouting "Naare Hayderi" and has now turned into full fledged idol worship.

[mumin]

It was also said in dai tahir saifuddin"s time by the local amil and I quote " tamara Dai to hussain na gham ma khoon(blood) na ansoo nikale che to soo tame pani na ansoo na nikaloo". My question, Has anyone seen blood tears come out of syedna tahir saifuddin's eyes?

[asif786]

Dr. ALLAMA MUHAMMAD IQBAL SAYS !
kiya tamasha hua ISLAM ki taqdeer ky saath.
Qatl-e-SHABBIR (a.s) hua nara-e- takbeer ky saath

[porus]

Following the final visits to the graves of Fatema and Hasan, Husayn left Madina for Makka with his family and supporters on 4 Shaban 60 AH (680 AD).

While Husain took his daughter Sakina along with him to Karbala, he left his other daughter, Fatema Sughra behind. Every act of Husain seems to have had a divine purpose. He took Sakina with him because Imam Hasan's son, Abdullah, would be martyred at Karbala. And he had to fulfill the promise he had made to his brother Hasan that he would marry Sakina to Abdallah. Marriage took place minutes before Abdullah's shahaadat.

As to the reason why he left his elder daughter Fatema Sughra behind, Husain 'knew' that the women of his household will be paraded be-naqab after his martyrdom. He did not wish that to happen to Fatema Sughra because she was humshaqal (double) of his mother Fatema al-Zahra and she had inherited the piety of her illustrious grandmother. Husain felt that to unveil his daughter would be tantamount to unveiling his mother. And he would never let that happen.

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Following the final visits to the graves of Fatema and Hasan, Husayn left Madina for Makka with his family and supporters on 4 Shaban 60 AH (680 AD).

While Husain took his daughter Sakina along with him to Karbala, he left his other daughter, Fatema Sughra behind. Every act of Husain seems to have had a divine purpose. He took Sakina with him because Imam Hasan's son, Abdullah, would be martyred at Karbala. And he had to fulfill the promise he had made to his brother Hasan that he would marry Sakina to Abdallah. Marriage took place minutes before Abdullah's shahaadat.

As to the reason why he left his elder daughter Fatema Sughra behind, Husain 'knew' that the women of his household will be paraded be-naqab after his martyrdom. He did not wish that to happen to Fatema Sughra because she was humshaqal (double) of his mother Fatema al-Zahra and she had inherited the piety of her illustrious grandmother. Husain felt that to unveil his daughter would be tantamount to unveiling his mother. And he would never let that happen.

If fatema sughra as was so dear to Hussain as then what about the zainab as and other bibi's as why Hussain as took them with him when he knew what is going to happen in karbala.

[porus]

If fatema sughra as was so dear to Hussain as then what about the zainab as and other bibi's as why Hussain as took them with him when he knew what is going to happen in karbala.

All the women were equally dear to Husain. I am pointing out teleological features of the journey to Karbala as interpreted by various scholars. Role of Zainab is pivotal as the source of much of what we know about the battle of Karbala, her confrontation with Yazeed as well as her role in the commencement of the ritual of azadari.

Similarly, other women had to have a role in the tragedy. He took Sakina with him because he 'knew' that Abdallah would remind him of Hasan's wasiyat to him to accompany his uncle Husain to Karbala. He was not at liberty, I think, to divulge all the information to his household because he had to have this drama unfold as divinely ordained. But then, only he was privy to that.

[anajmi]

Many atheists argue that if God has pre-ordained everything, how can they be held accountable for their actions and how can they be punished for them. People who do good do not deserve heaven and people who do evil do not deserve hell. This story of Imam Hussain as presented by porus, is a very valid point to make their argument. How could Yazeed (may Allah be pleased with him) be blamed for his actions when Imam Hussain was the one who was setting everything up?

[porus]

How could Yazeed (may Allah be pleased with him) be blamed for his actions when Imam Hussain was the one who was setting everything up?

In your hatred of the Shia, you have sunk as low as any one can get.

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How could Yazeed (may Allah be pleased with him) be blamed for his actions when Imam Hussain was the one who was setting everything up?

In your hatred of the Shia, you have sunk as low as any one can get.

it is useless to throw pearls infront of swine so let this moron wahabi remain in there dilusion untill they taste death.

[Mubarak]

Dr. ALLAMA MUHAMMAD IQBAL SAYS !
kiya tamasha hua ISLAM ki taqdeer ky saath.
Qatl-e-SHABBIR (a.s) hua nara-e- takbeer ky saath

Well said.

[Mubarak]

How could Yazeed (may Allah be pleased with him) be blamed for his actions when Imam Hussain was the one who was setting everything up?

In your hatred of the Shia, you have sunk as low as any one can get.

Anajmi,

Allah will be pleased with Laeen Yazeed or not, will discuss later.

But now, we learnt what your 'niyyat' is.

[anajmi]

I am asking simple question. Imam Hussain is supposed to have known everything that was going to happen. He had the knowledge of Ghaib. Allah had planned his sacrifice since the time of Ibrahim (as). How can you blame Yazeed (may Allah be pleased with him)? Yazeed (as) was only doing what he was supposed to do. If Yazeed (may Allah be pleased with him) hadn't acted, how would Allah have gotten his sacrifice? In fact according to some legend, Yazeed (may Allah be pleased with him) was chosen by Allah to fulfill His prophecy of Imam Hussain's shahadat.

[porus]

How can you blame Yazeed (may Allah be pleased with him)?

No one is blaming Yazeed, you scum. Shia only curse him.

Did Allah blame Sahytan? Or did He just curse him?

[anajmi]

That is the magnanimity of the sacrifice of Yazeed (may Allah be pleased with him). He has accepted to be cursed without blame. The difference between him and shaytan are clear. Shaytan was cursed for disobeying Allah, and Yazeed (as) is being cursed for fulfilling Allah's prophecy.

[Safiuddin]

Good point Anajmi.

[porus]

Shaytan was cursed for disobeying Allah, and Yazeed (as) is being cursed for fulfilling Allah's prophecy.

Did not Yazeed disobey Allah? Yazeed, styling himself as Ameerul Mumineen, famously disavowed Quran and Prophet saying nothing ever was revealed, and swore vengeance against ahlul bayt for earlier disputes with his Ummayad ancestors.

Shaytan and all creation are fulfilling Allah's wish. How could it be otherwise?

If you feel Yazeed deserves praise for killing Husain consider what the difference between a human and a Jinn (Shaytan). Human has free will and Yazeed is more evil than Shaytan because of that.

Next time invoke "A'oozubi al-shaytan radiallahu anhu". Moron!

[asif786]

Shaytan was cursed for disobeying Allah, and Yazeed (as) is being cursed for fulfilling Allah's prophecy.

Did not Yazeed disobey Allah? Yazeed, styling himself as Ameerul Mumineen, famously disavowed Quran and Prophet saying nothing ever was revealed, and swore vengeance against ahlul bayt for earlier disputes with his Ummayad ancestors.

Shaytan and all creation are fulfilling Allah's wish. How could it be otherwise?

If you feel Yazeed deserves praise for killing Husain consider what the difference between a human and a Jinn (Shaytan). Human has free will and Yazeed is more evil than Shaytan because of that.

Next time invoke "A'oozubi al-shaytan radiallahu anhu". Moron!

Porus bhai

Why are you wasting your time and enrgy on najmi
.
Let us all do dua that he will be raised with Yazeed la on the day of judgement.

Najmi is bound to be angry on all shias especially in muharram which reminds him of his nasle yazid
Yazidiat murdabad

[anajmi]

porus,

You should listen to asif.

Did not Yazeed disobey Allah? Yazeed, styling himself as Ameerul Mumineen, famously disavowed Quran and Prophet saying nothing ever was revealed, and swore vengeance against ahlul bayt for earlier disputes with his Ummayad ancestors.

Just like Imam Hussain was preparing for the final act in Karbala, so was Yazeed (may Allah be pleased with him).

If you feel Yazeed deserves praise for killing Husain consider what the difference between a human and a Jinn (Shaytan). Human has free will and Yazeed is more evil than Shaytan because of that.

According to legend, Yazeed (may Allah be pleased with him) was an angel who was chosen for sacrificing his name and reputation for the sake of Allah and his prophecy. And angels, as we know, do not have free will, except what is granted to them by Allah.

[Al-Muizz]

porus,

You should listen to asif.

Did not Yazeed disobey Allah? Yazeed, styling himself as Ameerul Mumineen, famously disavowed Quran and Prophet saying nothing ever was revealed, and swore vengeance against ahlul bayt for earlier disputes with his Ummayad ancestors.

Just like Imam Hussain was preparing for the final act in Karbala, so was Yazeed (may Allah be pleased with him).

If you feel Yazeed deserves praise for killing Husain consider what the difference between a human and a Jinn (Shaytan). Human has free will and Yazeed is more evil than Shaytan because of that.

According to legend, Yazeed (may Allah be pleased with him) was an angel who was chosen for sacrificing his name and reputation for the sake of Allah and his prophecy. And angels, as we know, do not have free will, except what is granted to them by Allah.

Unbelievable! Yezid (LA) was spoken of disparagingly by his own father Muawiyah (LA). Even Muawiyah (LA) talked about Yezid (LA) drinking. This is the person you look up to? A drunkard? Someone who cannot even follow the basic tenets of ISLAM? Someone who breaks the commands set forth by Allah Subhanahu? Wow, dude, you have now sunk to a new low...many congratulations! I suppose, for you, beer and wine, gambling, are all kosher by your Yezid (LA). Allah Subhanahu explicitly curses people like Yezid LA. Now, you join the club!

[Humsafar]

anajmi, I fail to understand why you have to bring your wahabi sledgehammer to every shia discussion. This is the month of Muharram, it won't kill you to show a little sensitivity to the sentiments of your Muslim brothers. In all these years of discussion I've never found you more crude and repulsive as I do now. I guess the more dogmatic you get the more strident you become. Taking issue with Imam Hussain's preordained shahdat is one thing, invoking Yazeed in glowing terms is quite another. I feel you could have pursued your line of reasoning in less provocative manner. But in your eagerness to win brownie points you do not know when and where to draw the line. As to your line of reasoning itself (if shahdat was preordained then why blame Yazeed) is quite childish. In one sense, everything is preordained - as in the abduction of Sita by Ravan, the killing of the jews by Hitler - yet Ravan is burned every year, and Hitler is condemned all around. The manifest world is nothing but a battle of good and evil. And the forces of evil symbolised by Ravan, Hitler, Yazeed will always be denounced in the same way as Shaytan is denounced in Islmaic mythology. Try to understand the symbolism of it all. It is unfortunate that all traditions overtime become empty of meaning and the personalities involved acquire larger-than-life stature. Same is the case with Karbala and events surrounding it. Apart from the legend/interpretation that it was pre-destined, you must agree that Imam Husain's standoff with Yazeed was based on principles that Quran upholds. If for noting else, at least respect Husain and his memory for standing up for Islam. Hussain was protecting Islam (including wahabi Islam). And Yazeed was the traducer, and as a "true" Muslim it behooves you to condemn him.

porus, I understand why you are posting the old Iranian legends and stories here, and as soon as I saw them I knew they would degenerate into the usual shia/sunni fracas. This is the possibility we always have to be wary of but there is nothing we can do about it. I just want to caution that the closed minds (of both shia and sunni variety) tend to take these legends as true. They fail to distinguish between allegory and actuality. If the cult of the ahle bayt is rampant on one side, the cult of sunnah is firmly rooted on the other. Navigating between these two extremes is not easy. We must also remember that there are some people who only believe in the one grand legend (jibraeel and his communion with Mohammed), for them the lesser legends (Fatima as Venus) just would not cut it. Of course, in an ideal world one could say "to each his legend". But for grand believers the ideal world consists of just one legend. Their lengend.

[anajmi]

In one sense, everything is preordained - as in the abduction of Sita by Ravan, the killing of the jews by Hitler - yet Ravan is burned every year, and Hitler is condemned all around.

You seriously believe that? I thought, according to you, we were an accident. No one created us. So you should be the last one saying that everything is preordained.

In all these years of discussion I've never found you more crude and repulsive as I do now.

C'mon Humsafar. You know the point I am trying to make. It is the same as you comparing shiva lingam worhip with Namaz. My faith isn't that fragile to get affected by someone like you. What a bunch of sissies!! And I thought the shia, who beat their chest and cut open their heads and are ready to go to battle for Imam Hussain would've shown a little more gut than whining!!

[Aarif]

The holy Quran clearly says the following:

13. "There has already been for you a Sign in the two armies that met (in combat): One was fighting in the cause of Allah, the other resisting Allah. these saw with their own eyes Twice their number. But Allah doth support with His aid whom He pleaseth. In this is a warning for such as have eyes to see."

Imam Husain faught for the cause of Allah and Yazid faught against the cause of Allah. The whole muslim ummah agrees to this basic fact. Yazid was a drunkard and a womanizer.

Here is brief description of Yazid from wikipedea:

Yazīd ibn Mu‘āwiya ibn Abī Sufyān Arabic: يزيد بن معاوية بن أبي سفيان‎ (born 645; died 683), commonly known as Yazid I, was the second Caliph of the Umayyad Caliphate (and the first one by heredity), ruling as a tyrant for three years from 680 CE until his rightful death in 683 CE. The period of Yazid's rule is thought of as a disaster for Muslims and his rule is still remembered by many, especially Shia Muslims. He murdered many innocent ones during his time, including the holy family of Imam Hussein.(A.S.) His period witnessed the massacre of Kerbala, losses in North Africa, and a loss of supremacy at sea. During this period, the spoilation and profanation of the holy cities of Makkah and Madinah by his forces occurred.

A person who insults Islam, Quran and kills the family members of prophet(pbuh) can never have Allah on his side and Allah can never bless him. Historians and muslims in general agree on Yazid's ruthless character.

As to those who deny the Signs of Allah and in defiance of right, slay the prophets, and slay those who teach just dealing with mankind, announce to them a grievous penalty.

And finally I don't think that the hatred towards Yazeed has anything to do with Shia-Sunni rife. This is plain vanilla fact which has been accepted by muslims all over the world without any dispute...

[jamanpasand]

As I said before, this _ss hole is a Taliban of Mulla Omar Camp. Unlike his other friends, he is too coward to become suicide bomber. So all he can do is to bark here.

[anajmi]

he is too coward to become suicide bombers.

So you are saying that suicide bombers are not cowards but brave and courageous correct?

[anajmi]

Humsafar,

I just wanted to point out that everything I said about Yazeed, was also legend. But as you said,

But for grand believers the ideal world consists of just one legend. Their lengend.