why sajda to adam?

[labbaikyaHussain]

progs come up with your answers.

• Adam was mortal and human being not Allah,still Allah ordered to do sajda to Adam why?
  
  what does Alif laal Mim means in the start of Quraaan.

[SBM]

I know where are you going with this.
Allah asked Jins to do Sajda to Adam and not other human beings...Please do not bring any kind of mischievous analogy in this debate

[SBM]

Allah also asked Shaitan to do Sajda to a Mortal Person, are you trying to equate everyone who does Sajda to a Mortal Person as SHAITAN or IBLIS

[profastian]

Allah also asked Shaitan to do Sajda to a Mortal Person, are you trying to equate everyone who does Sajda to a Mortal Person as SHAITAN or IBLIS

No he is providing a precedent to Allah allowing sajda to a mortal person...

[sixfeetunder]

Allah also asked Shaitan to do Sajda to a Mortal Person, are you trying to equate everyone who does Sajda to a Mortal Person as SHAITAN or IBLIS

'Shaitan' became 'Shaitan' because he refused to obey Allah's orders. Iblis was among the Jinn. He was a devout worshipper and worshipped Allah for thousands of years before his 'nafs' overtook him and he rebelled, thus making him 'Shaitan'.

[sixfeetunder]

progs come up with your answers.

• Adam was mortal and human being not Allah,still Allah ordered to do sajda to Adam why?
  
  what does Alif laal Mim means in the start of Quraaan.

Allah ordered the angels to bow before Adam to show them that Adam was superior to them. Indeed, Allah has called mankind as 'The Best of creation' in the Qur'an. Allah did not order mankind to prostrate before anyone but him. Also, in Arabic, 'Sujood' carries the connotation of 'lower', so It cannot be concluded that they bowed in the way we do to Allah during worship.

Also, it is not 'Alif laal Mim', it is 'Alif Laam Mim'. It is one of those phrases in the Qur'an, the meaning of which is not manifest. Religious authorities have provided possible interpretations but all maintain that it is one of the mystic parts of the Qur'an.

[aziz]

allah commanded the angels to do the sajda to adam ,not because he was a mere mortal or an ordinary human being but because there was nass on him,which made him the haq na saheb,and iblis refused and become shaitan,,today the wahabbis also claim that rasullah sa and his progeny fatima ,ali hassan and hussein sa were mere mortals,but they froget that nass which was conferred on adam come down the generations right upto rasullah sa and is still carried on by his offspring the imam uz zaman and in his absence the dail mutlaq,
iblis refused and become shaitan

[blackstallion]

progs come up with your answers.

• Adam was mortal and human being not Allah,still Allah ordered to do sajda to Adam why?

In the name of Allah, We praise Him, seek His help and ask for His forgiveness. Whoever Allah guides none can misguide, and who-ever He allows to fall astray, none can guide them aright. We bear witness that there is no one (no idol, no person, no grave, no prophet, no imam, no dai, nobody!) worthy of worship but Allah Alone, and we bear witness that Muhammad (saws) is His slave-servant and the seal of His Messengers.

Brother Labbaik,
In my last post, I had asked you not to write or say anything "without any knowledge or without any authentic proof how can you say such a thing. If you have read and researched by yourself and the material which you read is in any authentic islamic library please do bring it in front of the true believers," kindly read my post and your reply Re: Long live syedna(tus) Postby blackstallion on Mon Mar 07, 2011 5:29 pm but still you are one of those who like to do mischief without any knowledge or understanding.

Welcome! you shall get it what you deserve. Inshallah, I honestly pray to Allah that he favors me and my brothers here on the forum to help you to the straight path.

Why Sajda to Adam? Brother please read Quran and understand it...

Allah says in the Holy Quran in Chapter 67 Surah Al Mulk verse 2:
He (Allah) created death and life that He may test you, to see which of you is the best in deeds.


The All-Knowing, All-Wise Lord bestowed two things upon Jinns and Humans which He did not bestow upon any in His Supreme Creation, and thus put only these two amongst all His creation to a test for a period of one life:

1. Intelligence or the Power of Reasoning
2. A ‘free will’ for a limited period of one life-time to choose whatever path one wishes to live his life.
Whoever amongst man or jinns studies and ponders over the innumerable wonders and Signs in the various creations of the Majestic Lord, and uses his bestowed intelligence and power of reasoning to understand his mission of creation, recognize His Supreme Lord and Creator, and of his own ‘free will’ chooses to submit his will to the Will of his Creator, and chooses to live his life in accordance with the guidance of his Creator, passes the test of life and is promised the Eternal Mercy, Grace, and Rewards of Allah Subhanah.

And whoever amongst man and jinn uses his bestowed intelligence and power of reasoning to do everything else but does not recognize or denies his Supreme Creator, refuses to submit his will to the Will of His Creator, and of his own ‘free will’ chooses to live his life in accordance with any guidance other than that of His Supreme Creator, miserably fails the test of life and will have a severe accounting in the Presence of His All-Mighty and Majestic Lord on an Inevitable Day.

Your Question: …why did Allah(SWT) create shatan(devil) if Allah new that shatan wouldn't listen to Allah's order.

Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 7 Surah Aaraaf verses 11-25:
11 It is We who created you and gave you shape; then We bade the Angels bow down to Adam and they bowed down; not so Iblees (the Jinn); he refused to be of those who bow down.
12 (Allah) said: "what prevented thee (O Iblees) from bowing down when I commanded thee?" He (Iblees) said: "I am better than he: thou didst create me from fire and him from clay."
13 (Allah) said: "Get thee down from this: it is not for thee to be arrogant here: get out for thou art of the meanest (of creatures)."
14 He (Iblees) said: "give me respite till the day they are raised up."
15 (Allah) said: "be thou among those who have respite."
16 He (Iblees) said: "because Thou hast thrown me out of the way lo! I will lie in wait for them on Thy straight way.
17 "Then will I assault them from before them, and behind them, from their right, and their left: nor wilt Thou find in most of them gratitude (for Thy Mercies).
18 (Allah) said: "Get out from here, disgraced and expelled. If any of them follow thee, Hell will I fill with you all.
19 (Allah said): O Adam! Dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden and enjoy (its good things) as ye wish: but approach not this tree or ye run into harm and transgression."
20 Then began the Shaytaan (Iblees) to whisper suggestions to them bringing openly before their minds all their shame that was hidden from them (before): he said "Your Lord only forbade you this tree lest ye should become angels or such beings as live for ever."
21 And he swore to them both that he was their sincere adviser.
22 So by deceit he brought about their fall: when they tasted of the tree their shame became manifest to them and they began to sew together the leaves of the garden over their bodies. And their Lord called unto them: "Did I not forbid you that tree, and tell you that the shaytaan was an avowed enemy unto you?"
23 They said: "O our Lord! We have wronged our own souls: if Thou forgive us not and bestow not upon us Thy mercy we shall certainly be lost."
24 (Allah) said: "Get ye down with enmity between yourselves. On earth will be your dwelling-place and your means of livelihood for a time."
25 He (Allah) said: "therein shall ye live and therein shall ye die; but from it shall ye be taken out (at last)."

In light of the above verses of the Glorious Quran it is absolutely obvious that Iblees was one amongst the Jinn, and of his own free will he chose to disobey the command of his Lord, and persisted in his disobedience; and that is when the Jinn ‘Iblees’ became one amongst the Shayaateen! If one reads the above and all the other verses in the Quran where the incident of the creation of Adam and the disobedience of Iblees is narrated in Truth, one would realize that the Lord Most High addresses the Jinn by his name Iblees before his disobedience, and only after Iblees persisted in his disobedience, he is termed as the Shaytaan!

In context of the above incident it is also evident that Hadrat Adam (a.s.) too made an error and disobeyed the Command of the Lord; but the difference between Adam’s (a.s.) disobedience and the disobedience of Iblees was that Hadrat Adam (a.s.) immediately turned back to his Lord and sought forgiveness, while the evil and accursed Iblees chose to persist in his disobedience of the Lord and thus became one amongst the Shayateen!

Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 12 Surah Yusuf verse 100: (After entering the town), he raised his parents to the throne, and seated them along with himself and all of them spontaneously bowed down (sujjada).

The Messenger of Allah (saws), even after reading and understanding the same aayahs of Surah Yusuf as we recite today, did not allow any of his companions or believers to do sajdah to any human being in Islam. He absolutely forbade this act of prostration and said from the Holy Quran that this is a rite of worship in the ‘Shariah’ of Islam. He commanded that Allah Alone deserves the right of prostration or ‘sajdah’ and no body else. The Prophet (saws) was the best of creation, and his companions loved and respected him (saws) more than their lives, their wealth, their parents and their children put together! Even then, there is not one instance where it is mentioned that they did prostration to the Prophet (saws). In the ‘Shariah’ revealed to Prophet Mohamed (saws) ‘sajdah’ is a rite of worship and the only being who deserves to be prostrated to, is the Lord of the Worlds and no one else.

When Hadrat Ali (r.a.) became the Ameer ul Mu’mineen, some people who loved and respected him beyond imagination, came to Ali, and said that they wanted to prostrate themselves to him. Hadrat Ali forbade them in strong terms, but they would not listen. It has been reported that Hadrat Ali (r.a.) rebuked them, and put them in prison, but they would not budge from their belief of wanting to do ‘sajdah’ to Hadrat Ali. It has been reported in some narrations that ultimately Hadrat Ali (r.a.) sentenced them to death!

Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 41 Surah Fusselat verse 37: Do not do ‘sajdah’ to the sun and the moon, but do ‘sajdah’ to that Allah, Who Created them, if you really are indeed His worshippers.


Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 22 Surah Hajj verse 77: O you who believe, do ‘rukoo’ and ‘sajdah’ to Allah Alone, worship Allah Alone, and do righteous deeds. It may be that you attain true success.

Allah Himself states in the above aayahs of the Glorious Quran, that He Alone deserves our rites of ‘sajdah’ and no one else. In the “Shariah” of Mohamed (saws), ‘sajdah’ is an integral part of our prayers and worship and these are for Allah Alone. It is a confirmation that we submit our lives and our wills to the Will of the One we are doing ‘sajdah’ to.

The Holy Quran has 15 places in it, where we are commanded to do ‘sajdah’ when reciting the Quran. All of these ‘sajdah’ aayahs are when Allah says He is our Lord and we are commanded to worship Him Alone and everything in Creation is doing ‘sajdah’ to Him, therefore we are commanded to do ‘sajdah’ along with them in humility and worship to our Lord and Creator. There are approximately 20 times where the story of Adam and Iblis is related in the Quran, but not once are we commanded to do ‘sajdah’ when we recite these aayahs of the Quran. Similarly there is one aayah where the brothers of Yusuf did sajdah to Yusuf, but we are not commanded by Allah to do ‘sajdah’ when we recite this aayah. This is not because Allah and His Messenger (saws) forgot to tell us to do ‘sajdah’, (CAN THEY?) but it is because we are not allowed to do ‘sajdah’ to anybody or anything else other than Allah Alone in Islam, be it in love and respect, or worship and ‘ibaadah’.

So brother first read and understand why Allah Subhanah created Adam and its purpose.

Whatever written of Truth and benefit is only due to Allah’s Assistance and Guidance, and whatever of error is of me. Allah Alone Knows Best and He is the Only Source of Strength.

Your brother and well wisher in Islam,
not a shia, sunni, etc etc etc

[Al Zulfiqar]

self serving abde KAFIR crooks always bring up this topic.

allah "commanded" all the angels and jinns to bow before aadam. he did not "allow" it. there is a very huge difference in the usage of these 2 words. abde KAFIRS are very cleverly attempting to ram through a nefarious line of reasoning by inserting the word "allow".

Allah "commanded" his angels and jnns to do sajda to adam, who was the first human, but the first one who was not born, but created. allah has not "commanded" bohras to do sajda to dai, who is a mere mortal, born from his parents. the dai and his nefarious kafir family have commanded bohras to do sajda to dai and to sing "sajda tujhe wajib hai" and ghanu jeevo and all that kufr crap. see the huge difference?

mortals commanding mortals to do sajda to a mortal? see the extreme shirk? all you kothari apologists, your desperate attempts to link an act of kufr with Islam and allah, shows that you are no longer muslims but a non-religious cult, who are simply using the glorious name of islam to further your evil agenda.

if you have the guts, take this line of reasoning to the next world islamic conference and see what happens next.

[Conscíous]

Br Blackstallion,
Welcome to the forum.. I enjoyed reading your post & easy to understand, plus very informative..

[blackstallion]

Br Blackstallion,
Welcome to the forum.. I enjoyed reading your post & easy to understand, plus very informative..

Jazak Allah Khair
Al Hamdolillah!

[JC]

Very good explanation from Bro BlackStallion.

Also, very good reply from Bro Al-Zulfikar.

Kotharis bring in this NASS crap every now and then to justify Sajda stuff. I have to add only one thing - EVEN IF agree to this NASS crap for the sake of arguments then why on earth there is no history or example to Mortals doing Sajda to 124,000 prophets who came to earth??!!! Why No Sajda to Ali, Hussain and all the Imams you talk about??!! Why No Sajda to earlier Dais??!! WHY??!! IS it that TIME is RIGHT NOW only??!!!

Shaytan did not accept Allah's COMMAND to do Sujood to Adam and hence became Kafir ........ Abdes did not accept Allah's COMMAND NOT to do Sajda to any Mortal and hence are Kafirs ...........

[Jamali]

Amazing reply Bro BlackStallion.

Very informative and precise. You are so right. If only our brothers in the community would understand their state of affairs.

Its sad to note that right from the time they are born, they are brainwashed into this 'BS' and no one seems to be doing anything. The issues are getting worst day after day and we can only hope for the best.

Do continue to give us such guidance as we humbly seek true knowledge.

[progpigs]

Amazing reply Bro BlackStallion.

Very informative and precise. You are so right. If only our brothers in the community would understand their state of affairs.

Its sad to note that right from the time they are born, they are brainwashed into this 'BS' and no one seems to be doing anything. The issues are getting worst day after day and we can only hope for the best. Do continue to give us such guidance as we humbly seek true knowledge.

Cheers to all... the munafiq proves that they r loosing strength and getting weak!

i have a facebook page for you guys plz do visit... page name "Progs are pigs wid @#! & master of all is ASGHAR ALI ENGINEER"... plz visit and report it for closure

[Jamali]

progpigs,

Go play with the other children! your previous posts have already proven your imbecile and childish brain and you dont need to reinforce that. Please spare us your brainwashed thoughts which make no sense to all.

Do you even know who Asgar Ali Engineer is? What he stands for? What he does? Oops...Sorry...Here I am asking an imbecile something meaningful. That brain doesnt comprehend anything beyond More La!!! You are better off spending your time celebrating your Maulas salgirah. As such your 'kind' needs to take maths lessons to even identify his correct age!!!!:):):):)

[Conscíous]

Just two questions that come to mind..

Has Syedna Saheb ever asked/commanded us to do sajda to him?? & when (how many years ago??) did this ritual of doing sajda to him start??

[murtaza2152]

Sajda to Imam and Dai is NOT the same Sajada we do to Allah Subhanahu,
The Sajada performed to Dai is Takriman va Taziman ,due to his High Position in Earthly Hierarchy ie Dail Mutlaq ie Representative of God.
Its also called Taqbilul Ard (kissing Earth),
This whole doctrine of Sajada to Imam and Dail Mutlaq is described in Kitabul Himma val aadabul aimma written by Syedna Qazi Noman

[labbaikyaHussain]

Sajda to Imam and Dai is NOT the same Sajada we do to Allah Subhanahu,
The Sajada performed to Dai is Takriman va Taziman ,due to his High Position in Earthly Hierarchy ie Dail Mutlaq ie Representative of God.
Its also called Taqbilul Ard (kissing Earth),
This whole doctrine of Sajada to Imam and Dail Mutlaq is described in Kitabul Himma val aadabul aimma written by Syedna Qazi Noman

this is true concept of kissing the dust for respect infront of Imam or Dai....now every one with all false accusation againt DB shud stop.

[JC]

Great Murtaza....... amazing ......... you quote from book of Qadi Nooman ....... who is SAME as you all ... you might have quoted this from Taher Saifuddin ...

Come on grow up ......... (this doesnot go for Labaika as he (or she) cannot) ........

SAJDA is SAJDA ......... there cannot be types. Certain actions are meant for certain things and cannot be used for other things as that creates confusion. God is God and there cannot be someone as God on Earth.

[Conscíous]

Sajda to Imam and Dai is NOT the same Sajada we do to Allah Subhanahu,
The Sajada performed to Dai is Takriman va Taziman ,due to his High Position in Earthly Hierarchy ie Dail Mutlaq ie Representative of God.
Its also called Taqbilul Ard (kissing Earth),
This whole doctrine of Sajada to Imam and Dail Mutlaq is described in Kitabul Himma val aadabul aimma written by Syedna Qazi Noman

Br Murtaza,
I understand what your saying but that's not what I'm after..

All I want to know is, if Syedna Burhanuddin Saheb has HIM SELF, ever requested/commanded us to do sajda to him??

When did this ritual of doing sajda to Syedna Burhanuddin Saheb start?? How many years ago??

[murtaza2152]

@Boom
Its not a ritual,its wajib,
Sajada is wajib to Nabi ,Vasi,Imam and Dai,
So its not type of farmaan which Syedna tus does.

[Conscíous]

Can you please explain in short, what do you mean by Wajib??

[murtaza2152]

Wajib -Compulsary
like Namaz is Wajib on us....

[Conscíous]

So Syedna Burhanuddin Saheb has never requested/commanded us to do sajda to him, but the Abdes are doing sajda to him, because Syedna Qazi Noman says it's Wajib compulsory??

[Humsafar]

Sajda is not wajib even to the prophet, leave alone the Dai. Sayedna Qadi Nouman says no such thing. This guy is making it up.

[ghulam muhammed]

Syedna Ahmad bin Muhammad also draws our attention to one more important aspect: a Da'i who attributes to himself the attributes of God, he is guilty of shirk and is ignorant of tawhid I.e. belief in unity of God. Such a person cannot be fit to be Da'i. We know from our own experience that the preceding and the present Da'is (ie. 51st and 52nd) attributed themselves with attributes of Allah like Qadi al Hajat etc. and make their followers perform sajda-e-ubudiyat before them which is open shirk and hence they cannot be fit to be Da'i as per the Risalah of Syedna Ahmad bin Muhammad Nishapuri.

[Conscíous]

Syedna Ahmad bin Muhammad also draws our attention to one more important aspect: a Da'i who attributes to himself the attributes of God, he is guilty of shirk and is ignorant of tawhid I.e. belief in unity of God. Such a person cannot be fit to be Da'i. We know from our own experience that the preceding and the present Da'is (ie. 51st and 52nd) attributed themselves with attributes of Allah like Qadi al Hajat etc. and make their followers perform sajda-e-ubudiyat before them which is open shirk and hence they cannot be fit to be Da'i as per the Risalah of Syedna Ahmad bin Muhammad Nishapuri.

I was under the impression that, sajda to Syedna Burhanuddin Saheb was something that had just started in the recent years by the Abdes..

[gulam_parinda]

huh nass...they are trying to justify...sajda tujhe wajib he...and fake nass on muffy

allah commanded the angels to do the sajda to adam ,not because he was a mere mortal or an ordinary human being but because there was nass on him,which made him the haq na saheb,and iblis refused and become shaitan,,today the wahabbis also claim that rasullah sa and his progeny fatima ,ali hassan and hussein sa were mere mortals,but they froget that nass which was conferred on adam come down the generations right upto rasullah sa and is still carried on by his offspring the imam uz zaman and in his absence the dail mutlaq,
iblis refused and become shaitan