New Rules..!!

[Al Zulfiqar]

no valuable suggestions from dabbawala bohras?

[Al Zulfiqar]

an urgent update on rule no 38):

the HPC at DEH under the guidance of da man - the 'soos', has decided to appoint a medical commitee under the control of the management of saifee hospital, with board appointed doctors and nurses in every vatan, bilaad and moze', to monitor the vital signs of every abde who subscribes to the KBMBNS dabba scheme on a weekly basis. this is to verify the roohani effects of the noorani jaman being cooked and consumed by abde syedna devotees, which is miraculously imbibed with disease busting properties. this service will be free.

simultaneously, on the lines of the taabudaat forms presently filled in by ades and amtes, every dabba client will be asked to fill forms on a monthly basis showing how the KBMBNS tassawur is helping them spiritually. have they increased their adherence to namaaz, have they increased their daily duration and tempo of purjosh maatam, have they done any acts of kindness and charity towards the poor and deprived members of qasre aali, how often do they see the syedna and his man - da "soos" in their dreams and how have they been helped by these divine appearances? have they been contributing more money in their jamaat, were they motivated to sponsor a daris ni majlis, do kadambosi, go on ziyarat to mumbai, increased their motivation to obtain haadiyat and mafsuhiyat (mullapanu and sheikpanu), etc.

all these are important parameters in proving that the new aqa mola's initiatives are leading to both jismani and roohani benefits.

deep throat informs me that there is feverish activity going on concerning this new KBMBNS scheme. keep watching this space...

[Al Zulfiqar]

no comments from abdes regarding this noorani mawaeed and tasawwur of the new syedna, da man the 'soos'?

[Al Zulfiqar]

new rules contd...

39) in order to deflect unwarranted criticism from ignorant fools who cannot understand the syedna's ghaib actions of appeasing and hobnobbing with tyrants, criminals and anti muslim fascists of the likes of narendra modi, bal thackeray, advani etc, felicitating them, honouring them and bribing them with crores of rupees, the HPC at DEH and this time with the additional personal involvements of the mukasir, maazoon and the new divine mola - da man the soos himself, it has been decided as follows:
a) since the actions of ali, hassan and hussain are all considered equal in terms of greatness, i.e. the compromise of ali with the first 3 khalifas, the compromise of hassan with moawiyah, and the martyrdom of hussain at the hands of yazeed considering their peculiar circumstances in each case, and the valiant and highly successful attempts of the kothari amils and agents all over the globe and incl. on this forum to prove that the passive resistance and compromise of hassan is equal in its value to hussain's sacrifice, it must now be translated into affirmative action to prove to a doubting world that we dawoodi bohras believe in the nobility of hassan's sacrifices for our ummah as much as we mourn for hussain.
b) thus starting in gradual phases, every alternate majlis will now be for maatame hassan, instead of the usual and steady diet of maatame hussain. hassan's story of sacrifice, compromise and appeasement of monsters like moawiyah (of the same ilk as modi) will be recounted and linked with syedna's painful but neccessary biradari with the modern day goons. this will be followed by purjosh maatam and labrez niyaze hassan for mumeneen, mumenaat and their navnihalo.
c) during all darees ni majlises, khushi ni majlises, ashura days, ramzan etc, maatam time must be compulsorily divided between hassan and hussain, since the compromise of one is equal to the shahadat of the other. so the first session must be for one brother and the second strictly for the other.
d) an air time of roughly 3 hours a week must be devoted to explaining syedna's actions in inviting notorious goons into saifee mahal, our masjids and outside functions etc, feeding them with labrez bohri khana, putting shawls on their holy shoulders and gifting them with fat envelopes loaded with money, allowing bohras to touch the feet of these goons and praising them effusively. this must be followed with the rasam mentioned under point b) as above.
e) it was debated by the HPC whether maatame hassan should be differentiated from maatame hussain by altering the beat and cadence of chest beating, i.e. a teen taal v/s a complicated 6 taal etc, so that devout abdes could distinguish the unique sounds and switch over from maatam of one to another effortlessly. but this proposal was considered to be a provocation, a veritable red flag to the reformist bulls and other detractors, and was thus abandoned immediately.
f) it has been strictly instructed that there should be no discrimination in the niyaaz jaman between majlis e hassan v/s majlis e hussain in terms of kharas, mithaas and jaman. this will serve to re-inforce the equality between the actions of hassan (and syedna) and the bravery, defiance and shahadat of hussain to which syedna has paid obesiance so far.

'deep throat' informs me that amils in all bilaads, vatans and mozes have been warned that due to extreme circumstances faced by syedna and kothar in justifying their actions, the above policies must be implemented asap. compromising with satan has to be equated with accepting shahadat for islam at the earliest. more news will be passed on as soon as they develop. keep watching this space...

[Ala maqaam]

Zulfiq,

you are more stupid then i ever thought,just use ur brain next time before wasting so much time in posting stupidity and making joke of your sself.

matame Hussain (s) is symbolic and it does not just represent sacrifies and hardship of Hussain and ahlul bayt but all the opperessed in the world.

Momeenin dont need to do different kind of matram to differentiate between matame hassan and hussain,matame Hussain is universal and it represent all ahlul bayt and all momeenin who are opperesed in the world.

increase dimension on your thoughts.....

[stranger]

In order to fulfill his ultimate motive of Humilating Bohras, this guy don't even hesitate to make fun in the name of Imam Hasan (a.s.) and Imam Hussain (a.s.).
Zulfikar, For God sake spare such pious personalities atleast.

[Al Zulfiqar]

the name of Imam Hasan (a.s.) and Imam Hussain (a.s.). Zulfikar, For God sake spare such pious personalities atleast.

your plea is misplaced and should be directed at syedna and his hired goons who do not spare such pious personalities and capitalise on them to fill their coffers....

[Safiuddin]

Well said, AZ.

[Al Zulfiqar]

Well said, AZ.

thanks.....

[stranger]

your plea is misplaced and should be directed at syedna and his hired goons who do not spare such pious personalities and capitalise on them to fill their coffers....

Before blaming others, look at What you are doing. You had just capitalised their names in order to add spice to the post and get attention of the fellow members. .But It is not funny anymore. You so called progressive, Is that the best you can offer to people ?

[Al Zulfiqar]

You had just capitalised their names in order to add spice to the post and get attention of the fellow members. .But It is not funny anymore.

you are right, it is not funny anymore what the syedna and his henchmen are doing to the memory of great figures like hussain. making a mockery of maatam by making abdes do it between namaaz, during 'khushi' ni majlis, after eid khutbas, on the salgirah of syedna, for his illness, etc etc ad nauseum...

spouting the shahadat of hussain 24/7 and then felicitating goondas like modi and thackeray and quoting the example of hassan who compromised with a zaalim like moayiwah. see any contradition there, see any irony? see any mockery and hypocrisy in this? if you can't you are a classic example of an abde zombie, who has been turned into a retard by sinister forces for whom you are nothing but a fool to be parted from his money.

[Ala maqaam]

You had just capitalised their names in order to add spice to the post and get attention of the fellow members. .But It is not funny anymore.

you are right, it is not funny anymore what the syedna and his henchmen are doing to the memory of great figures like hussain. making a mockery of maatam by making abdes do it between namaaz, during 'khushi' ni majlis, after eid khutbas, on the salgirah of syedna, for his illness, etc etc ad nauseum...

spouting the shahadat of hussain 24/7 and then felicitating goondas like modi and thackeray and quoting the example of hassan who compromised with a zaalim like moayiwah. see any contradition there, see any irony? see any mockery and hypocrisy in this? if you can't you are a classic example of an abde zombie, who has been turned into a retard by sinister forces for whom you are nothing but a fool to be parted from his money.

even as a third person,not as a dawoodi bohra or a progressive,i feel ur posts are absolute rubbish and childish.u dont even understand why matam is done,and what is the reason to remember hussain in each and every majlis.

u are seriously wrong in ur approach.

[Ala maqaam]

you know, i wish you would maintain this ame tone of civility in all your threads (and i should practice what i preach too).

It is so much nicer to have a polite conversation rather than get into a game of one-upmanship (which i might confess i am prone to do too)

Anyways, i said it and i meant it, you do not have to justify how much you live your life by the Quran, to anyone, least of all me.

i buy into your opinion that maatam should not be clubbed with Namaaz or done in a masjid, but then again, it's just that, an opinion.

And we are all entitled to have an opinion of our own.

You feel it is wrong, we feel it is not.

So let's just park it there, because nowhere in the Quran is maatam disallowed as part of the namaaz or in a mosque.. but, like i said, its a matter of opinions.

And as for the passage from the book, we certianly do not worship our Dai as God. Yes, we do glorify him and look upto him, but we do not pray to Him, except for the 2 rakaats (which, i must admit, i do not do).
We say "Allaho Akbar", not "Syedna o Akbar". We say "Allhamdo Lillah", not "Allhamdo Syedna".

My analgoies might be completely of the mark, and my apologies if they are, i mean no disrespect to either Allah or our Dai, but the point im trying to make here is that a lot of peope think, and i dont know why no one has tried to correct them, that we too, pray to Allah and we see our Dai as our spiritual leader (Saifuddin/Fear Allah - Take heed. You might have come in contact with some people who equate our Dai with Allah, but they are a minority)

Anyways, I'm digressing from the point on hand. So, to get back to your comment... It's all a matter of opinions.

2 rakaat namaz is not prayed to syedna but it is prayed to Allah so that he keep his mercy upon dai,this is a nafil namaz same way we pray salatul hajaat or salaatul tasbeeh.

there is nothing wrong to pray for momeen.we can also pray for all momeenin in the same way.

we can also pray for our parents in the same way,if some body wants to pray for their parents.

Ooops... sorry

next time dont hasitate to pray for Dai and all momeen,keep this in mind all namaz prayed by shia are just for ALLAH and we dont believe in GOD which hold physical body like the way sunni/wahabi believes.

concept of ALLAH according to shia is much more strong and correct.we are the true worshiper of ALLAH.

and we are the people who give complete respect to his prophet and awliyah.

[Al Zulfiqar]

what is the reason to remember hussain in each and every majlis.

exactly! syedna remembers the bravery, defiance and ultimate sacrifice of hussain in every majlis and makes his slaves do purjosh maatam in his name, then follows the example of imam hassan who compromised with the devil. which according to abdes is perfectly fine, because what hassan did was justified and equal to what hussain did, i.e. getting himself and his family martyred and beheaded.

the question once again: if hassan's compromise is fine and having equal value as hussain's shahadat, then why doesnt the syedna highlight hassan's actions 24/7 too? he cant preach one thing and then do another. capeche?

if we can have constant zikr and maatam for hussain, then why not same for hassan? after all syedna recounts tear jerking sagas of one brother, but himself emulates the actions of the other. is this hypocrisy, cowardice or deception?

[Al Zulfiqar]

it is quite an eloquent statement when all so-called devout foaming-at-the-mouth-abdes keep away from this thread in droves...

is it cowardice or embarassment, a guilty conscience, anger and resentment or a lack of lingusitic capacity or just no defence?

su eni niraali shaan chhe....

[mustafanalwalla]

it is quite an eloquent statement when all so-called devout foaming-at-the-mouth-abdes keep away from this thread in droves...

is it cowardice or embarassment, a guilty conscience, anger and resentment or a lack of lingusitic capacity or just no defence?

su eni niraali shaan chhe....

Neither.

It's just boredom and the fact that when you throw stones in mud, it's gonna splatter on you.

[Al Zulfiqar]

does this mean that you are a foaming-at-the-mouth abde bored out of his mind and enjoying getting yrself splattered in mud?

[mustafanalwalla]

does this mean that you are a foaming-at-the-mouth abde bored out of his mind and enjoying getting yrself splattered in mud?

For someone who seems to otherwise be quite intelligent, you just sounded pretty dumb there boyo

Read my post carefully.

You are beginning to get boring now. Which is why no one is interested in it anymore.

For the sencond part, if people throw stones in mud, it's just gonna splatter on them.

"Which is why, we aint getting into no more duels with you bud, we is just gonna get dirty, boy"

[Al Zulfiqar]

mn,

if its not interesting to you, why do you keep responding?? as for adopting that falsetto patronising tone of a pseudo-macho suspect male and making pathetic attempts to talk down to me, its a bit rich coming from someone who only a short while ago was peeing in his pants after harassing a female at work and was in danger of not just losing his job but being sued for sexual abuse. a sissy and coward like you was then ostensibly (and most laughably of your own nocturnal admissions) rescued from his impending predicament by the syedna in your dreams...!!!

can there be a more telling commentary on the lack of marbles in that empty cranium of yours??! what is that i hear? sewage sloshing around in your boney skull?

[mustafanalwalla]

mn,

if its not interesting to you, why do you keep responding?? as for adopting that falsetto patronising tone of a pseudo-macho suspect male and making pathetic attempts to talk down to me, its a bit rich coming from someone who only a short while ago was peeing in his pants after harassing a female at work and was in danger of not just losing his job but being sued for sexual abuse. a sissy and coward like you was then ostensibly (and most laughably of your own nocturnal admissions) rescued from his impending predicament by the syedna in your dreams...!!!

can there be a more telling commentary on the lack of marbles in that empty cranium of yours??! what is that i hear? sewage sloshing around in your boney skull?

its cause you're getting boring and im just trying to shut you up.

Pseudo-macho suspect male??? Huh!!! Where'd you come up with that from? Some College Third Year Psychology book???

AZ,

those sins of my past that you so like to keep dragging up all the time, well, i've done my time for that. I've paid for my sins and i repent for what happened, everyday, even today. So i'd thank you for not reminding me about it every time.

And before you twist my words, let me clarify.

i repent the grief and pain i caused to the girl, not because i was caught.

Or are you doing it because thats all you're fit to do? Take one small mistake in a man's life and amplify it like it was his greatest sin?

God knows i am truly sorry for what i did and He, i hope, has forgiven me.

Atleast i was bold enough to admit my guilt, tell the truth and give out my real identity. i dont hide behind pseudonyms like you do

And by the way, i never "Dreamt" that our Dai came in our dreams, i said i had had an urge to reach out to Him for help

[mustafanalwalla]

Oh, and one thing more.

You were the one who kept wondering why no one was replying to your threads anymore.

When i said it's cause you were getting boring and replying to them was akin to getting ourselves dirty. i guess you didnt like it, which is why you stooped down so low and made a personal attack on me.

And i always thought that you were perhaps one of the fairer, albiet screwball, participants on this forum. Guess i was wrong. You're just as intolerant as you make us out to be

[Al Zulfiqar]

hey nutcase,

i dont really give a rats ar** whether you or any of your cowardly abde colleagues reply to my posts/threads or not, i know they dont and wont because it makes them squirm in their rat holes. my question was purely rhetorical and a symbolic kick on their backsides. do you think i am really waiting like an expectant amte spinster for a fanatic abde groom??

as for personal attacks, do you call referring to someone as 'boyo', 'boy' etc a respectful form of address? first learn how to conduct a dignified debate and then lecture others, otherwise you will get rapped everytime you get way ahead of your limited intelligence.

as for intolerance, we have had enough of your us v/s them politics and frequent chameleon-like changes in color; professing open mindedness, what with your hindu wife and universality of religions and spirituality crap, and then showering contempt and ridicule on the progressives attempts at reform in a community whose deen has been thoroughly corrupted, abused and exploited by a corrupt and criminal clergy led by a weak and unfit leader who appears in your dreams at night to rescue you from the terrible consequences of your sexual shenanigans...!!

need any more reminders on your lack of morals, character and confused, puerile views?

[profastian]

hey nutcase,

i dont really give a rats ar** whether you or any of your cowardly abde colleagues reply to my posts/threads or not, i know they dont and wont because it makes them squirm in their rat holes. my question was purely rhetorical and a symbolic kick on their backsides. do you think i am really waiting like an expectant amte spinster for a fanatic abde groom??

as for personal attacks, do you call referring to someone as 'boyo', 'boy' etc a respectful form of address? first learn how to conduct a dignified debate and then lecture others, otherwise you will get rapped everytime you get way ahead of your limited intelligence.

as for intolerance, we have had enough of your us v/s them politics and frequent chameleon-like changes in color; professing open mindedness, what with your hindu wife and universality of religions and spirituality crap, and then showering contempt and ridicule on the progressives attempts at reform in a community whose deen has been thoroughly corrupted, abused and exploited by a corrupt and criminal clergy led by a weak and unfit leader who appears in your dreams at night to rescue you from the terrible consequences of your sexual shenanigans...!!

need any more reminders on your lack of morals, character and confused, puerile views?

AZ, your vocabulary is exquisite. and you are FUNNY!!!! Seriously, are you are professional writer or something?

[Al Zulfiqar]

prof,

that was most unusual. a most unexpected compliment coming from an extremely unlikely source!

inspite of our differences of opinion, it was very generous of you to acknowledge what you felt. thank you.

as for being a professional writer, i am flattered, but no. although i try hard to emulate my idols; P.G. Wodehouse, W. Somerset Maugham, Bernard Shaw and A.J. Cronin among others, i am but a faint shadow of their writing skills and legendary prowess.

[stranger]

AZ,

I seconded profastian on it. your writing skills are amazing but unfortunately i can't praise your every post.

[Al Zulfiqar]

AZ,

I seconded profastian on it. your writing skills are amazing but unfortunately i can't praise your every post.

although i most gratefully acknowledge your secondment, i am fortunate that we do not see eye-to-eye for you to praise my every post, as that would then mean that i am trying to conform to your slavish opinions and aquiescing to your misplaced beliefs...

thanks anyway!

[mustafanalwalla]

hey nutcase,

i dont really give a rats ar** whether you or any of your cowardly abde colleagues reply to my posts/threads or not, i know they dont and wont because it makes them squirm in their rat holes. my question was purely rhetorical and a symbolic kick on their backsides. do you think i am really waiting like an expectant amte spinster for a fanatic abde groom??

Really? then how come every so often you keep wondering why do we keep quiet? And why do you keep wondering where we abdes have gone after every post? If that doesnt look like an an amte spinster for a fanatic abde groom, then i dont know what is!!!

as for personal attacks, do you call referring to someone as 'boyo', 'boy' etc a respectful form of address? first learn how to conduct a dignified debate and then lecture others, otherwise you will get rapped everytime you get way ahead of your limited intelligence.

Oh yeah? Looks who's talking. You've been far more undignified in your conversation, with me for one, so i can say this from personal experience, you're worse than me

as for intolerance, we have had enough of your us v/s them politics and frequent chameleon-like changes in color; professing open mindedness, what with your hindu wife and universality of religions and spirituality crap, and then showering contempt and ridicule on the progressives attempts at reform in a community whose deen has been thoroughly corrupted, abused and exploited by a corrupt and criminal clergy led by a weak and unfit leader who appears in your dreams at night to rescue you from the terrible consequences of your sexual shenanigans...!!

I have admitted it openly, that i believe in our Dai but do not accept the corruption in our community either. I have never intervened in discussion which discusses the wrongs of our community, but yes, when you abuse our Dai and our Maatam, then i will reply. And for the last time, Syedna never appeared in my dream, the urge for me to call out to him happened during the day, when i was wide awake

need any more reminders on your lack of morals, character and confused, puerile views?

No thank you. if i need any reminders, i'll look at myself in a mirror

[Al Zulfiqar]

Really? then how come every so often you keep wondering why do we keep quiet? And why do you keep wondering where we abdes have gone after every post? If that doesnt look like an an amte spinster for a fanatic abde groom, then i dont know what is!!!

so you do admit you are a fanatic abde? and unless i spray some rat poison into their holes, the rats dont come out

Oh yeah? Looks who's talking. You've been far more undignified in your conversation, with me for one, so i can say this from personal experience, you're worse than me

mn, describing your sexual shenanigans factually makes my converstaion undignified?? they are your lafras for god's sake! if they were so undignified, why did you do them for god's sake?

I have admitted it openly, that i believe in our Dai but do not accept the corruption in our community either. I have never intervened in discussion which discusses the wrongs of our community, but yes, when you abuse our Dai and our Maatam, then i will reply. And for the last time, Syedna never appeared in my dream, the urge for me to call out to him happened during the day, when i was wide awake

[color=#800000]you are welcome to "believe" in the dai and his magical powers when you get strong urges to daydream about him while at work. as for being critical of the way the kothar has perverted the solemn observance of muharram, does that mean 'abusing' maatam? is there something wrong with your grasp of english? or is that also due to the strong urges you get for the syedna while wide awake? [/color]

No thank you. if i need any reminders, i'll look at myself in a mirror

thanks for admitting to your character deficiencies

[mustafanalwalla]

Really? then how come every so often you keep wondering why do we keep quiet? And why do you keep wondering where we abdes have gone after every post? If that doesnt look like an an amte spinster for a fanatic abde groom, then i dont know what is!!!

so you do admit you are a fanatic abde? and unless i spray some rat poison into their holes, the rats dont come out

Oh yeah? Looks who's talking. You've been far more undignified in your conversation, with me for one, so i can say this from personal experience, you're worse than me

mn, describing your sexual shenanigans factually makes my converstaion undignified?? they are your lafras for god's sake! if they were so undignified, why did you do them for god's sake?

I have admitted it openly, that i believe in our Dai but do not accept the corruption in our community either. I have never intervened in discussion which discusses the wrongs of our community, but yes, when you abuse our Dai and our Maatam, then i will reply. And for the last time, Syedna never appeared in my dream, the urge for me to call out to him happened during the day, when i was wide awake

[color=#800000]you are welcome to "believe" in the dai and his magical powers when you get strong urges to daydream about him while at work. as for being critical of the way the kothar has perverted the solemn observance of muharram, does that mean 'abusing' maatam? is there something wrong with your grasp of english? or is that also due to the strong urges you get for the syedna while wide awake? [/color]

No thank you. if i need any reminders, i'll look at myself in a mirror

thanks for admitting to your character deficiencies

You know what your problem is AZ..........

Actually, come to think of it, you don't and neither do i.

i can drag up atleast 3 references of your uncouth and vulgar language, but i see no point in having this conversation with you because you are close-minded to anything we say or do? i dont care what language you use for my behaviour, i was talking about your trash mouth on other threads.

As for the abusing of Maatam, you have already mocked it and demeaned it and called it a tamasha, so again, no sence in discussing it with you.

And for considering me to be a fanatic abde, well, i'd rather be labelled as a fanatic abde than be a hypocrite like you who comes to the mosque just to make fun of our observation of Muharram

[Al Zulfiqar]

mn,

i have just posted a comment addressing the abde males of bohra society on the thread "female circumcision" by GM.

please read it as it perfectly describes your pitiable plight.. you are not be blamed my son, its the cruelty you have been subjected to by the nefarious kothari R&D scientists located deep inside the dungeons of saifee mahal.