Various Money Making Schemes Of Kothar.

[ghulam muhammed]

The present day Bohraism which has got nothing to do with religion and is reduced to a mere cult is full of various innovative money making schemes which have been highlighted on various threads of this forum. It would be interesting to compile them on this single thread. The recent 'pune tamasha' is one of the many examples wherein hoardes of sheep are waiting anxiously to be slaughtered.

Apart from the spacious bungalow costing crores being built exlusively for the dai for his week long trip and the piles of cash extorted from abdes in the name of ziafats, titles etc., the actual figure being not disclosed although the same runs into crores, there are still some segments which the average bohra is well aware of :-

A lower middle class abde who got his daughter's nikah performed in the 'samuh nikah' a couple of days back paid the below mentioned amount to the mafia. A total of 101 nikahs were performed by 10 zadas.

a) Rs.7,000/- paid by the bride's family and Rs.8,000/- by the groom's family. Total:- Rs.15,000/-.
b) Rs.2,700/- paid by the bride and also the groom as 'dai's salam'. Total Rs.5,400/-.
c) Rs.2,100/- paid by both as salam to the zada who performed the nikah. Total Rs.4,200/-.
d) Rs.786/- paid by both as salams to manhoos. Total Rs.1,572/-.

Hence the MINIMUM cost of 1 nikah comes to Rs.26,172/-. Now multiply this with 101 and it comes to around Rs.26.5 lakhs. This is a very conservative figure as many abdes were asked to pay more depending on their status. Remember that this is only a "few hours" income. The amount paid to the respective mohalla tanzeems in order to get safai chithi is extra.

The bohras of pune city are required to pay a minimum of Rs.5,052/- per family. There are thousands of bohra families residing in pune, hence the total amount collected is anybodys guess.

The salams for qadambosi is Rs.5,052/- per person and there is a serpentine queue for the same. The dai is brought on his palkhi, made to sit on a throne and there are 2 queues of males and females respectively which culminate at the dai's left and right feet respectively. The abdes then kiss his feet, a process which is completed in a few seconds. The entire qadambosi drama lasts for almost an hour and hence the number of bohras lining up and the huge amount of money piled up is again anyones guess.

Members from pune and their relatives can also give a more detailed account of various other extortion methods.

[mmv]

The present day Bohraism which has got nothing to do with religion and is reduced to a mere cult is full of various innovative money making schemes which have been highlighted on various threads of this forum. It would be interesting to compile them on this single thread. The recent 'pune tamasha' is one of the many examples wherein hoardes of sheep are waiting anxiously to be slaughtered.

Apart from the spacious bungalow costing crores being built exlusively for the dai for his week long trip and the piles of cash extorted from abdes in the name of ziafats, titles etc., the actual figure being not disclosed although the same runs into crores, there are still some segments which the average bohra is well aware of :-

A lower middle class abde who got his daughter's nikah performed in the 'samuh nikah' a couple of days back paid the below mentioned amount to the mafia. A total of 101 nikahs were performed by 10 zadas.

a) Rs.7,000/- paid by the bride's family and Rs.8,000/- by the groom's family. Total:- Rs.15,000/-.
b) Rs.2,700/- paid by the bride and also the groom as 'dai's salam'. Total Rs.5,400/-.
c) Rs.2,100/- paid by both as salam to the zada who performed the nikah. Total Rs.4,200/-.
d) Rs.786/- paid by both as salams to manhoos. Total Rs.1,572/-.

Hence the MINIMUM cost of 1 nikah comes to Rs.26,172/-. Now multiply this with 101 and it comes to around Rs.26.5 lakhs. This is a very conservative figure as many abdes were asked to pay more depending on their status. Remember that this is only a "few hours" income. The amount paid to the respective mohalla tanzeems in order to get safai chithi is extra.

The bohras of pune city are required to pay a minimum of Rs.5,052/- per family. There are thousands of bohra families residing in pune, hence the total amount collected is anybodys guess.

The salams for qadambosi is Rs.5,052/- per person and there is a serpentine queue for the same. The dai is brought on his palkhi, made to sit on a throne and there are 2 queues of males and females respectively which culminate at the dai's left and right feet respectively. The abdes then kiss his feet, a process which is completed in a few seconds. The entire qadambosi drama lasts for almost an hour and hence the number of bohras lining up and the huge amount of money piled up is again anyones guess.

Members from pune and their relative can also give a more detailed account of various other extortion methods.

During one of my relatives Nikah in Rasme saify, in Galyakot . They opened the envelope of salaam for nikah performer of each Dulha . and they told them that if the amount is less then 1452/- their nikaah will not be performed. my relative had 786 rs in his envelope and had to add money to make it 1452/-..also when I was shooting video from my camera of nikah ceremony,they stopped me for taking the shoot of Dulhan doing the Salam.

[ozmujaheed]

Duly an doing Salam to zada, wow ! Would you trust the zada touching your daughters ?

Ok at R26,000 is there a guarantee that the marriages will last min 20years, they wil have fertile relationship, the husbands will be honest , if not mney back guarantee ! Keep receipts and if it ails a replace spouse will be provided free of charge!

Apart from a photo opportunity and showing off within abdes what more does or such mass weddings achieve?

At least in a commercial world there would be a bulk discount !

[ghulam muhammed]

Ok at R26,000 is there a guarantee that the marriages will last min 20years, they wil have fertile relationship, the husbands will be honest , if not mney back guarantee ! Keep receipts and if it ails a replace spouse will be provided free of charge!

There is a stereotype reply dished out to abdes.............. "Saaru thayu to mola ni dua chhe, Buru thayu to eh tamara gunah na sabab thi"........ Heads I win, Tails you lose !!

[ghulam muhammed]

Height Of Hypocrisy :-

O Mumineen, live lives of frugality. There is no need to spend on following fashion and to live ostentatiously. In frugal living is a life of peace. – Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin (TUS), 9th Muharram waaz, Dubai 1425

http://www.mumineen.org/

[ghulam muhammed]

The dai is giving "Qadambosi sharaf" to abdes in poona but he is seen sitting in a glass enclosure on a higher floor whereas his slaves are sitting far below on the street. Now how do the abdes do his qadambosi when his qadams itself are beyond the abde's reach ? Are they using wifi or bluetooth ? A technological marvel indeed.............

http://www.zeninfosys.net/zi6/akhbar/hu ... pune/14028

[humanbeing]

Hi
Another money making scheme. For kothar & local jamaat there is no off season !! business thrives through out the year. Picture this :
Last majlis was on Milad-un-Nabi, and as the majlis concluded, series of zaroori elaan was conveyed.
On the occasion of 101st Milaad Mubarak of Sayedna Saheb, lot of activities are arranged, one of the primary activity is Muzakaraat.
For the sake of “Nizaam” all the mumineen are requested / instructed / ordered to register themselves online for the events.
Website is www.markazardiya.com, when one logs into their profile, person has to enter his / her details and there is a space for Hoob !! lol now you see .. this guys don’t leave a single opportunity to make money !!
Apart from online convenience to pay up, there would be ‘hawker sheikhs’ in the markaz roaming around with coupons to make a collection.

[profastian]

Hi
Another money making scheme. For kothar & local jamaat there is no off season !! business thrives through out the year. Picture this :
Last majlis was on Milad-un-Nabi, and as the majlis concluded, series of zaroori elaan was conveyed.
On the occasion of 101st Milaad Mubarak of Sayedna Saheb, lot of activities are arranged, one of the primary activity is Muzakaraat.
For the sake of “Nizaam” all the mumineen are requested / instructed / ordered to register themselves online for the events.
Website is http://www.markazardiya.com, when one logs into their profile, person has to enter his / her details and there is a space for Hoob !! lol now you see .. this guys don’t leave a single opportunity to make money !!
Apart from online convenience to pay up, there would be ‘hawker sheikhs’ in the markaz roaming around with coupons to make a collection.

You are really an illiterate git. Do you know what the Hoob is for? It is for filling your fat bellies when you come for Muzakraats. How goes the Kothar or Syedna gain by this?

[humanbeing]

Hi Prof,
Really !! The hoob money goes for feeding fat bellies ? well where does sabeel money go then ? what about those bohra mumin who are sponsoring niyaaz jaman ?

For once even I believed what you are ranting, that this is an acceptable demand from local jamat, but you shall see how this hoob is demanded, Monthly sabeel payment is reasonably high, to cover administration and food expenses, also there are people who are sponsoring jamans, in Khooshi and valaya of milaad muabaraka ! in fact people pay up voluntarily out of respect, but those amount varies as per person’s financial condition.

So where is the intent of Khidmat ? if money has to be collected to cover dining expenses !! what does it make our markaz ? A restaurant !!

Prof you have shown your secret education (akhlaaq) on this forum, so think twice before calling other illiterate ! And how does kothar benefit, wel first this happens with raza Mubarak of Kothar .. and its one of the various schemes to collect a “Faakhir Najwa” to be presented on the big day !! Such schemes are evenly spread through the days so that people don’t feel the pinch of payments .. How considerate !

[profastian]

Hi Prof,
Really !! The hoob money goes for feeding fat bellies ? well where does sabeel money go then ?Sabeel is not intended for food. It is intended for other administrative expenses.(Upkeep of markaz, Jamaat expenses, expenses during Ramadan). what about those bohra mumin who are sponsoring niyaaz jaman ? (Not every jaman is sponsored by a single individual)

For once even I believed what you are ranting, that this is an acceptable demand from local jamat, but you shall see how this hoob is demanded, Monthly sabeel payment(Where is the heck do you live? I have never heard of monthly sabeel payments, sabeel is usually demanded only once annually during ramadan) is reasonably high, to cover administration and food expenses, also there are people who are sponsoring jamans, in Khooshi and valaya of milaad muabaraka ! in fact people pay up voluntarily out of respect, but those amount varies as per person’s financial condition.

So where is the intent of Khidmat ? if money has to be collected to cover dining expenses !! what does it make our markaz ? A restaurant !! (So who should cover the food expenses?)

Prof you have shown your secret education (akhlaaq) on this forum, so think twice before calling other illiterate ! And how does kothar benefit, wel first this happens with raza Mubarak of Kothar .. and its one of the various schemes to collect a “Faakhir Najwa” to be presented on the big day !! Such schemes are evenly spread through the days so that people don’t feel the pinch of payments .. How considerate !

[humanbeing]

(Where is the heck do you live? I have never heard of monthly sabeel payments, sabeel is usually demanded only once annually during ramadan)

Wow ! that’s a news ! I m surprised, why does Kuwait Jamaat collect monthly sabeel ! its KD 5 (Rs 875) for family and KD 3 (Rs.525) for bachelors (those who live without family)!

Jamans are sponsored by Individuals, group of people and for most of days, people line up to reserve a date for their chance and people pay volutanrily, Also lets assume, that there is no one, but why make such hoob payments compulsory to attend. If enough funds are not collected jamaat can do away with distributing salwaat (apple, nan khatai, juice) this was the norm earlier ! and it worked just fine.

Every jaman has fix commission for group of sheikhs and a fat salaam for Amil (KD 11 – 14 ).

Till last year, there was no hoob demanded for Muzakeraat,, now what happen !! did inflation hit jamat’s office or was it recent embezzlement of cheque fraud in which jamat members had locked & lost million dinaars !

In their act of desperation, they had priced muharram seats obnoxiously, but there were very less buyers, eventually they couldn’t enforce the payments as people did not pay up and those prime seats were left vacant, eventually a silent slap on their scheming faces.

[asad]

This years topic of tabuddat is

"Mumin oopar che mumin na haq yaaro beshumar"

@Humanbeing,

ask your Jamaat members what haq they have paid towards their fellow mumin except collecting money.

[SBM]

profastian wrote:(Where is the heck do you live? I have never heard of monthly sabeel payments, sabeel is usually demanded only once annually during ramadan)

Prof
Where do you live? In Jamaat in Eastern Part of USA where I live they deduct monthly from people's bank account. Every Jamaat member is asked to sign direct withdrawal from their bank account. I am one of the only three people(out of 40 families) who refused to provide that authority.

[ANA BOHRI]

Wow ! that’s a news ! I m surprised, why does Kuwait Jamaat collect monthly sabeel ! its KD 5 (Rs 875) for family and KD 3 (Rs.525) for bachelors (those who live without family)!

Bro human

Please let me clarify ....its not 5 KD for family its minimum 7 KD Per month per family.

[humanbeing]

This years topic of tabuddat is
"Mumin oopar che mumin na haq yaaro beshumar".

Hi Asad
I dint understand this line !

[ghulam muhammed]

The dai's pune trip is extended with an excuse that the dai has developed a liking for the cool pune weather and the azeem josh and mohabbat of pune abdes makes it difficult for him to leave the city soon. The actual reason is that the amil of pune (Abdeali) was given a target of arranging a certain number of ziafats and although he is right on target but still the magic figure hasnt been crossed, one can see the kothar sponsored websites flashing hordes of ziafat ceremonies on their websites on a daily basis and there are still many which goes unreported on their sites. Some pune abdes say that the figure has already crossed the 100 mark, now multiply the amount with the going rate and the end figure will be in crores.

The daily qadambosi session in which the male and female abdes simultanously throng to the dai's right and left foot respectively costs Rs.5,052/- per person. If the abde/amte wants the 'sharaf' of kissing his hands then the charge is Rs.52,000/- per person, per kiss !!!

[Al Zulfiqar]

You are really an illiterate git. Do you know what the Hoob is for? How goes the Kothar or Syedna gain by this?

no, we dont know what the hoob is for and how the syedna and his parasitic family is gaining from all this. why dont you ask the kothar to publish honest accounts so we can see the truth?

[ghulam muhammed]

How many of these is the dai himself going to eat ???

Sabil E Hasnain of Burhani Colony, Puna did hadiya (Prepared of 1700 Ferrero Rocher Choclates) arz to Huzurala

http://www.zeninfosys.net/zi6/akhbar/hu ... pune/14162

[ghulam muhammed]

The stakes at Pune Tamasha are as under :-

Ziafat of Manhoos -- Minimum salam of Rs.25 lakhs and there is no upper limit, other fakhir rakam given to his cohorts are extra.

Ziafat of Dai -- Minimum budget is Rs.One Crore, again there is no upper limit.

Qadambosi fees -- Rs.5,052/-, if one wants extra toppings i.e. kissing dai's hands then Rs.52,000/- extra.

Many punekar abdes employed or having business abroad have come in droves and they are asked to fill the wajebat form in the presence of dai in order to have 'barkat' although these are usually done during ramzan. Needless to say that any amount offered in presence of the dai is always 10 times more then what is given in the presence of local amils. Many resident abdes have also lined up to fill the wajebat form pre-ramzan due to the 'barkat' factor.

The extortion target during the current pune tamasha is believed to be Rs.500 crores !! The likes of Tatas, Bajajs, Firodias and Dhoots who run their business establishments in the vicinity of pune are baffled by the dai's profit margins and have planned to arrange a "Samuh ziafat" for the dai in order to take some serious lessons in business management as their yearly profit too is no where near to what the dai earns in 3 weeks flat !!!

[Al Zulfiqar]

syedna's stay in pune has been extended because there are many more DABR bakras to be slaughtered, some willingly waiting in line and the others being 'convinced' in a friendly 'bade bhai' fashion.

also with muffy reinforcing the flanks, a 2 pronged attack is being undertaken. as you have rightly pointed out, the heavyweights and more chikna bakras are being fleeced by syedna, while the lesser lambs are being taken care of by the qabr listener muffy. this strategy is paying off handsomely as not a single prospect is being spared and the meters are ticking over smoothly and quite well, thank you!

with the superb psychology employed of bringing in social and peer pressure, none of the kuve me mendhaks can let it be known that they remained behind in this horse race and did not have the big bucks to do kadambosi or ziyafats. now that would be a massive social setback in milkshake circles.. "su waat karo chho? tame mola ne ziyafat na didhi? kadka thayi gaya chho ke?"

even a normally level headed rational businessman gets taken in by all this brouhaha and pressure to be one up on his fellow DABR's...

[ghulam muhammed]

MORE-LA milking the DABRs till they reach their QABRs !!!

[Al Zulfiqar]

[Al Zulfiqar]

btw, the pune amil is a proven performer in syedna and kothar's books. he has the power, influence and wherewithal to rake in the moolah. if he gives a guarantee for earnings, he will in fact exceed it, that is his hallmark and style.

amil abdeali has contacts with all high level politicians, goondas, police and businessmen. no one dare cross him or challenge him. he openly dares anyone that go and report me to mumbai, no one can remove me from here! he also asserts confidently that inspite of presiding over 20 markaz's and bohra masjids, "ek pan parindo mara jaanva vagar poona ma udi nathi sakto!!! "

abdeali is a diamond and precious stones dealer, he buys and sells luxury cars and heavily dabbles in real estate. he wanted to buy my property as well, in fact threatened to apply pressure in all sorts of ways through his chamchas. of course he wanted it cheap, but i stuck to my guns and threatened him back as i too have contacts with people who matter. in fact, when i mentioned that i would sell my property to a hindu or non-bohra (in a bohra society) and have it rammed through the courts inspite of the society committee being heavily stacked with his lackeys, he backed off.

all amils and kothari chamchas, incl jamaat committee members, are all cowards and empty bullies. if you take a firm stand against them and when reqd. threaten them back, they will always back down. of course, you have to be supremely confident and brave enough to face the consequences, come what may. 'kafan sar par baandh kar nikalna chahiye'. i have confronted these rascals atleast a dozen times in various towns and countries and won everytime. i am not afraid to raise my voice or take extreme steps if need be. when they see that strong a resolve, they start grovelling and actually whimpering like pitiable cowards.

[SBM]

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Br GM did exactly what we are discussing under the thread "Suggestion" Is it possible to create a thread "KOTHARI ZIYAFATS" and May be Br. GMs above referred information can posted with all the pictures or the links to consolidate it . Others can post the links to that thread too.
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