Surah 19: Maryam - 49 & 54

[porus]

In a very general sense, all prophets from progeny of Ibrahim were also Mustaqarr Imams

No

I meant and should have written 'from progeny of Ismail'. Thus Muhammad is the only Prophet who was also a Mustaqar Imam in progeny of Ismail. Unless you count Adnaan, one of the great grandfathers of Muhammad among Prophets.

Earlier you wrote that when Mustawda Prophet is present, Mustaqar Prophet/Imam is in satr. Aymelek pointed out that both Ismail, mustaqar and Ishaq, mustawda were present at the same time.

This is also the case with Imam Ismail and Imam Musa Kazim.

Is there supposed to be biological relationship between Mustaqar and Mustawda Imam of the time?

In the case of Muhammad, he used this authority to appoint Ali as the Imam.

In case of Mustakar Imam, only declaration can be made, mustakar Imam is born as mustakar Imam (refer to original post Quran 19: 49&54). Prophet Muhammad has not appointed but merely declared Mola Ali (a) will succeed him.

So, would you say that all this talk of nass from Imam to Imam (after Muhammad) is not an appointment but merely a declaration? Why do you believe there has been succession disputes among brothers? Clearly, Allah speaks in riddles.

[Doctor]

Doctor Mubarak,
May I humbly ask you from which University/Darul Uloom/Fiqh school have you received your Degree on Quranic studies?

I am not insisting from Jamea saifiyah; from any other Darul Uloom that you may have studied and are certified as a scholar/expert/graduate on Quranic studies would do.

If the answer is "No", from none have you received such degree, than would you care to enlighten your friends here with a single reference from Fatimi Dawat history (and since you dispute with us on the succession on Dais, I shall want you to quote from the period of fatimi sultanate in Egypt) when a Imam AS had promoted or permitted any public forum discussion on Quranic ayats, their tafsir or their interpretations without the discussion being conducted/supervised by a certified scholar on the subject.

If you have understood what I am pointing at above and you have no firm reference from the history books to defend your action, I suggest in future you should avoid starting such threads on Quranic surahs and ayats and their Tafsir & interpretations. Picking up Surahs and ayats arbitrarily from Holy Quran and starting a public discussion without any valid reason for its quotation to a relevant perspective is an extreme disrespect for the Holy Quran.

Those on the proggy side who may not like me but atleast accept the above point I have made, may kindly care to advise their fellow brothers on the proggy side to restrain from such public discussions on Quranic Ayats without any relevant & valid purpose.

Bhai Progticide Ji,

I do not have any Quranic degree from anywhere.

For your rejoice, let me tell you: I am a 'zahil' indeed, there are trillions of literature and great things, unfortunately I do not know all of them.

Yes, I do know very-very little bit, however, whatever little I know, that I know on very categorical and absolute basis.

Despite big Quranic degrees that you must be holding from many great institutes may be including Jamea Saifiya - you do not know the basics: Imam Moiz (a) / Molana Kazi Noman (R) has ordered in Daimul Islam vide rivayat from Prophet Mohammed, Mola Ali and Imam Jaffer Sadik (a), they all commanding in unison (refer to end section of Chapter 1 of Daimul Islam Part 1): seeking knowledge is compulsory on every follower.

In you post above, your hidden agenda is, which is in line with Kothar policy: no one should access and quote the correct Fatimi Dawat literature and wisdom.

In time of Bade Mulla Ji Taher Saifuddin saheb, he was fearful of rich mumin's and knowledgeable mumin's example) Sir Aadam Ji peer bhai, Morris Wala, etc. So, his propaganda was to swallow community property and become the richest. He succeeded. His simultaneous propaganda was to deprive followers of DB faith from access of correct DB wisdom and knowledge, so he and his son MB followed policy of looting all books from possession of momineen, showed tyranny and inhuman behavior on four senior most ustaad of Jamea and throwing them out so no one can get the correct Fatimi Dawat wisdom, putting MB/TS photo in center of Surah Yasin (impressing Yasin is heart of Quran and Tahir Saifuddin / MB is heart of Yassin)....etc

Bhai Progticide, your first loyalty must be with order of Imam Moiz and Prophet Muhammed, in Daimul Islam they are categorically ordering to PREACH KNOWLEDGE. You must not fall in con of Kothar to not to preach correct Fatimi Dawat knowledge but you should abide by command of Imam Moiz (a) and Porphet Mohamed and indeed preach the correct knowledge - this is my humble and kind suggestion.

Coming back to your post, summon your all abdes including your kath-mulla bhai Aqs sahib, bhai Aadam sahib, or your entire kothar and Jamea - you all put together cannot prove, what I wrote above is not in compliance with the correct faith of Fatimi Dawat (till 46th Dai Mutlaq).

[anajmi]

Clearly, Allah speaks in riddles.

Yeah, he takes various forms on this board like porus, Doctor and then confuses us by speaking in riddles. If only he hand't invented taawil, we wouldn't be as confused as we are right now. But wait, he did warn us in the Quran didn't he? But still, He is the one speaking in riddles!

[JC]

Prophet Mohammad was Last Prophet. God has chosen not to send any more prophets.

All this talk of Mustakir and Mustawda Imams, all other sorts of Imams and Dais is totally irrelevant to today's age. Get real people and wake up, there are other better things to do.

If God said 1400 years ago He has completed Religion and Quran is the Book, why all this hype about 'humans' whosoever they happen to be??

[porus]

Clearly, Allah speaks in riddles.

Yeah, he takes various forms on this board like porus, Doctor

What happened? A confirmed Muwahhid spouting shirk? Tch, tch, tch!

[anajmi]

Another riddle from God.

[Doctor]

All this talk of Mustakir and Mustawda Imams, all other sorts of Imams and Dais is totally irrelevant to today's age. Get real people and wake up, there are other better things to do.

In today age muslim society is fractured in hundreds of sects, every Islamic sect disagree with other, every single sect consider themselves to be the only true form of Islam and all other sects as incorrect, these all sects are not in unison on matter of Islam/faith = this is reality (get real people)! As time passes; as more "today's age" comes; more new sects will pops-up and they will further divide muslims. Sunni's have more sects than Shia's. In Prophet Mohammed (s) era were there any sects? No, because there was one single leader (Imam) hence, it is more relevant and prudent to have Imam (single leader) in TODAY's AGE than in ages before, all ages must have one leader (Imam), and to avoid all politics and disputes that person should be appointed directly by Allah and not by elections with votes casted by every follower!

If God said 1400 years ago He has completed Religion and Quran is the Book, why all this hype about 'humans' whosoever they happen to be??

If no humans, then how will Quran understanding, translation and meaning will be spread and communicated to different countries, people and time? Will Allah come to everyone and tell them about the message of Quran? Have Allah ever came up to any "HUMANS" in the history of Earth? If you eliminate humans how will you reach Allah? Remember Allah reaches to humans through (super) humans only. Or does Allah approach directly to all Humans? Hence, JC, one cannot eliminate "HUMANS" to receive and transmit the message from and to Allah.

[anajmi]

Doctor,

Please give me the name of this Imam and where he resides. I will go and give him bayah. I need to understand the Quran directly from him. Thanks

[Doctor]

My understanding is that Prophets are appointed by Allah and therefore they are all Mustaqarr.

DB Osool/core tenet: Path (chain) of Mustakar Imam runs unbroken from father to son, from first person on Earth till last person, it is a straight path (their path/act is Siraat-a-mustaqeem) – this is the core belief of Fatimi Dawat. Your contention above is not in compliance with this core tenet hence, your hypothesis is incorrect.

The other view is that both Mustaqarr and Mustawda are appointed by a current Mustaqarr Imam, presumably on God's advice.

Refer my comment above.

In a very general sense, all prophets from progeny of Ibrahim were also Mustaqarr Imams with authority to interpret scripture and to appoint an Imam.

No

In the case of Muhammad, he used this authority to appoint Ali as the Imam.

Need proper perspective, the principle of “Ki'saas” need to be introduced, will do sometime later, Inshallah.

[anajmi]

Doctor,

What about the Imam info?

[Muslim First]

Doctor
because there was one single leader (Imam) hence, it is more relevant and prudent to have Imam (single leader) in TODAY's AGE than in ages before, all ages must have one leader (Imam), and to avoid all politics and disputes that person should be appointed directly by Allah and not by elections with votes casted by every follower!

Doctor Saheb, AS

Then why is your sect (that is 46er Dawoodi Bohras) without directly appointed Imam or Dai?

[anajmi]

Br. Muslim First,

There is a directly appointed Imam. We just need to convince Doctor to give us his name and address. Maybe Doctor himself is the Imam. We need to keep following Doctor to give us this information.

[ghulam muhammed]

Sunni's have more sects than Shia's.

The Shias constitute around 15% of the total Muslim population. Now lets see the number of sects of these 15% minority :-

The Ghulat has twelve minor sects:

- Bayaniyya
- Janahiyya
- Harbiyya
- Mughiriyya
- Mansuriyya
- Khattabiyya
- two unnamed sects
- Shuray'iyya
- Numayriyya
- Sab'iyya
- and another unnamed sect

The Rafida has fifteen minor sects

- Qat'iyya
- Kaysaniyya
- Mughiriyya
- Rafida [I]
- Rafida Husayniyya
- Rafida Muhammadiyya
- Nawusiyya
- Rafida [II]
- Qaramita
- Mubarakiyya
- Sumaytiyya
- Ammariyya/Fathiyya
- Waqifa/Mamtura
- And two other Rafida sects

And the Zaydiyya has six minor sects

- Jarudiyya
- Sulaymaniyya
- Butriyya
- Nu'aymiyya
- Zaydiyya
- Ya'qubiyya

The khattabiyya - a minor Ghulat sect - has five sub-sects (Khattabiyya, Mu'ammariyya, Buzayghiyya, Umayriyya, and Mufaddaliyya)

Whereas the Kaysaniyya - a minor Rafida sect - Has ten sub-sects

- Kaysaniyya I
- Kaysaniyya II
- Kaysaniyya III
- Kaysaniyya IV
- Kaysaniyya V
- (There is no Kayzaniyya VI)
- Kaysaniyya VII

Three sects under Kayzaniyya VII, Rawandiyya, Razamiyya, and Abu Muslimiyya; Harbiyya; Bayaniyya; Kaysaniyya XI

The Jarudiyya - a minor sect of the Zaydiyya - is also divided into five sub-sects (Jarudiyya I, Jarudiyya II, Jarudiyya III, Jarudiiya A, Jarudiyya B, an Jarudiyya C)

Al-Baghdadi (another scholar) has the Shi'a in four major sects (Zaydiyya, Kaysaniyya, Imamiyya, and Ghulat)

He lists the same Zaydiyya sects and sub-sects in al-Ash'ari, with the omission of the Naymiyya and the Zaydiyya sub-sects. He also lists the Kaysaniyya as a separate major Shi'te sect without any minor sects.
As to the Ghulat, he also lists the exact same number of minor sects, he names the ones that al-Ash'ari left unnamed (Ghurabiyya, Mufawwdiyya, and Dhimmiyya.)

The Imamiyya minor sects are listed as fifteen sects without sub-sects, as in al-Ash'ari, but with differences in the names:

- Kamailiyya
- Muhammadiyya
- Baqiriyya
- Nawusiyya
- Shummaytiyya
- Ammariyya,
- Isma'iliyya
- Mubarakiyya
- Musawiyya
- Qat'iyya
- Ithna'Ashariyya
- Hishamiyya
- Zurariyya
- Yunusiyya
- and Shaytaniyya

Al-Shahrastani (Also Scholar) adopts the major sects of al-Baghdadi sects (Zaydiyya, Kaysaniyya, Imamiyya, Ghulat), but he difers in enumerating the minor sects.
For him Kaysaniyya are five minor sects (Mukthariyya, Hashimiyya, Harithiyya, Bayaniyya, and Razamiyya)

He lists three Zaydiyya minor sects (Jarudiyya, Sulaymaniyya, and Salihiyya/Butriyya)

The Imamiya are listed in a completetly different way (Baqariyya and Ja'fariyya, Nawusiyya, Aftahiyya, Shumaytiyya, Musawiyya, and Mufaddaliyya, Isma'iliyya, Ithna'Ashariyya).

al-Nawbakthi (very famous shi'a scholar, rae) lists the Ghulat as eight minor sects (Sab'iyya, Kamailiyya, 'Alba'iyya, Mughiriyya, Mansuuriyya, Khattabiyya, and Hishamiyya)

All this can and more can be found in the Book: Shi'a sects - Kitab Firaq al-Shi'a by ICAS PRESS

HOLD ON !! WE HAVE YET TO INCLUDE BOHRAS WHICH ARE AGAIN DIVIDED INTO SULEMANI, ALVI, 48ER, SUNNI, MEHDIBAUG, DAWOODI ETC.

[Al Zulfiqar]

the dawoodiyas are further divided into

dawoodi abdebohra sajaddiyya (non-muslim pretenders)
dawoodi abdebohra jahilliya (regressives)
dawoodi bohra taraqqiya (progressives)
dawoodi bohra qasreaaliyya (the royal and divine ruling class - answerable to no one)

[porus]

Doctor,

You are saying that Mustaqarr means born with the designation i.e. appointed by God. Mustaqarr can only be declared. He cannot be appointed.

Mustawda means appointed after birth. Who appoints Mustawda? A Mustaqarr?

Quran clearly states that Ibrahim was made an Imam (ayat 2:124). Does that mean that mean he was not an Imam at birth and therefore, he was a Mustawda Imam? You appear to be disagreeing with this Quran ayat.

And if Ismail was a Mustaqarr, who declared him? And why is not his father, Ibrahim , a Mustaqarr Imam? Ayat 2:124 states that he was made Imam after birth.

You say that Muhammad announced Ali, not appoint him. Yet you say that Imamat passes from father to son. If Abu Talib was an Imam, why did he not declare Ali as the Imam?

Why did not Imamat pass from Imam Hasan to his son rather to his brother Imam Husain?

And what is the position of Prophets in this scheme of things? Are they Imams too? If Muhammad was Mustaqarr Imam, then who announced him?

Bible tells us that Jesus was announced by Yahya. So was Jesus a Mustaqarr?

I think that you need to clarify. You are not being very logical. Spell it out clearly. And please provide references to Deeni Books about what you are asserting so that your statements can be verified.

I would ask you also to interpret ayat 6:98 for us. Does it apply to Imamat or not?

[anajmi]

You are saying that Mustaqarr means born with the designation i.e. appointed by God. Mustaqarr can only be declared. He cannot be appointed.

Musa (as) was appointed by God, but he is mustawda. His brother Aaron was also appointed prophet by God (look at 20:30 - 40), but he is also mustawda. However, Musa (as) was designated to be prophet when he was a baby. His mother was asked to throw him into the river through divine inspiration. He was appointed by Allah to be a prophet.

Consider the story of Jesus Christ also. He was designated by Allah to be a prophet even before he was born. No one appointed him a prophet.

Doctor's medicine was always ineffective but now it is getting pretty hard to swallow.

[Muslim First]

Br Anajmi

I tried to search ahadith containing words Mustaqarr or Mustawda and came across none. Did Prophet SAW ever talk about this distinction?

[anajmi]

Doctor does not need the prophet (saw) to talk about these things. The prophet (saw) was the best of all muminoon and stayed away from taawil as instructed by Allah in the Quran. But Doctor has knowledge which is very categorical and absolute about these things. I am almost certain that he is the hidden Imam. Infact, I believe that he is the mustawqadar Imam, which is a higher status than mustaqar and mustawda.

[Muslim First]

Doctor,

You are saying that Mustaqarr means born with the designation i.e. appointed by God. Mustaqarr can only be declared. He cannot be appointed.

Mustawda means appointed after birth. Who appoints Mustawda? A Mustaqarr?

Quran clearly states that Ibrahim was made an Imam (ayat 2:124). Does that mean that mean he was not an Imam at birth and therefore, he was a Mustawda Imam? You appear to be disagreeing with this Quran ayat.

And if Ismail was a Mustaqarr, who declared him? And why is not his father, Ibrahim , a Mustaqarr Imam? Ayat 2:124 states that he was made Imam after birth.

You say that Muhammad announced Ali, not appoint him. Yet you say that Imamat passes from father to son. If Abu Talib was an Imam, why did he not declare Ali as the Imam?

Why did not Imamat pass from Imam Hasan to his son rather to his brother Imam Husain?

And what is the position of Prophets in this scheme of things? Are they Imams too? If Muhammad was Mustaqarr Imam, then who announced him?

Bible tells us that Jesus was announced by Yahya. So was Jesus a Mustaqarr?

I think that you need to clarify. You are not being very logical. Spell it out clearly. And please provide references to Deeni Books about what you are asserting so that your statements can be verified.

I would ask you also to interpret ayat 6:98 for us. Does it apply to Imamat or not?

O boy my head is spinning.

This is like abbot and Costello comedy
Who is on First
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sShMA85pv8M

[Doctor]

For attention of: bhai Muslim First

(9) Leaders in Islam are either made as leaders by Allah in their life or Allah send them (by birth) as leader, i.e. leaders in Islam cannot be elected by people or committee/shura.

Re: Surah 19: Maryam - ayat# 58 (following translation is by Abdullah Yusuf Ali): Those were some of the prophets on whom Allah did bestow his grace - of the posterity of Adam, and of those whom we carried (in the ark) with Noah, and of the posterity of Abraham and Israel - of those whom we guided and choose; whenever the signs of (Allah) most gracious were rehearsed to them, they would fall down in prostrate adoration and in tears.

Only Allah chooses leader for Allah's religion. Humans with their whims and fancies cannot elect anyone as leader for Allah's religion (post of Khalifa).

One is aghast to observe the dichotomy and double standard: X is elected but when it come to Y, he is not subjected to election; instead X appoints Y as his successor!!!

Brother Muslim First sahib, in one another post you rejected claim of Yazeed as Caliph of Islam because he was appointed by his father Mawiya and was not elected by public. Bu the same token, the claim of Y too should be rejected because he was appointed by X and was not elected.

Look honestly on point above, I understand you are residing in dark and darkness has now become your habitat, nevertheless, try best looking honestly though it is not that easy, however the light of Quran 19:58 will sufficiently light up your life to see honestly, Inshallah.

Still if in the light of 19:58 you cannot see the truth then we will conclude unfortunately you are not blessed with eye sight. May Allah help you, me and all.

[Muslim First]

Doctor
Re: Surah 19: Maryam - ayat# 58 (following translation is by Abdullah Yusuf Ali): Those were some of the prophets on whom Allah did bestow his grace - of the posterity of Adam, and of those whom we carried (in the ark) with Noah, and of the posterity of Abraham and Israel - of those whom we guided and choose; whenever the signs of (Allah) most gracious were rehearsed to them, they would fall down in prostrate adoration and in tears.

Only Allah chooses leader for Allah's religion. Humans with their whims and fancies cannot elect anyone as leader for Allah's religion (post of Khalifa).

Only Allah Chooses leader for his religion. Yes Yes Yes
Allah Chose Prophet SAW as last Prophet and completed his religion. Says Qur'an

Now show me a Aya of Qur'an telling us "Ali RA is Allah's Imam after Prophet"

Please no gol gol explainations.

[porus]

All this talk of Mustakir and Mustawda Imams, all other sorts of Imams and Dais is totally irrelevant to today's age. Get real people and wake up, there are other better things to do.

I sympathize with this statement because the issue is truly irrelevant. Bohras are only concerned with the Dai and his royal family.

When I was a child growing up, I lived in an apartment (flat) in a building with Ithna-ashari neighbors in several other apartments. We boys and girls of the building played together and it was then that I first learned about mustawda and mustaqar Imams. We were discussing Imams and one of my friends mentioned Musa Kazim.

I asked my mother who Musa Kazim was. She said that he was Mustawda Imam and Ismail was Mustaqar Imam and when we go to Iraq, we should do 'ziyarat' of Imam Musa Kazim. She said Mustaqar Imams were the 'true' Imams. (She also said that we are identifed by our Imams and Dais)

I mentioned this to my friend. He checked with his parents and came back saying his parents did not know anything about Mustawda and Mustaqar.

As for me, I am interested in the issue as a historical and mythological curiosity.

[porus]

Doctor,

Let me make this simple. I will list all the names of all the anbiya from the Quran. I would like you to identify which was mustaqarr and which was mustawda.

For each Mustaqarr Nabi, please identify who declared him and whether he was also an Imam.

For each mustawda Nabi, please identify who appointed him and whether he was also an Imam.

Names of anbiya:

1. Adam, Sheth, Idris, Nuh

From Nuh, we have 2 lines:

2.1 Ibrahim (Ibrahim was appointed, not declared, Imam by Allah in ayat 2:124)

2.2 Salih, Hud, Lut, Shuaib

From Ibrahim, we have two lines:

3.1 Ismail, Adnan(?), Muhammad

3.2 Ishaq, Yaqub

From Yaqub we have 5 lines:

4.1 Musa, Harun, Ilyaas, Alyaas

4.2 Yunus

4.3 Yusuf

4.4 Ayyub, Zulkifl,

4.5 Dawood, Sulaiman,

From Sulaiman, we have two lines:

5.1 Jesus (Isa)

5.2 Zakariya, Yahya

We cannot identify any children of any of the Prophets mentioned. So, if you say that Mustaqarr Imamat passes from father to son, am I to assume that none of the anbiya mentioned in the Quran were Mustaqarr Imams?

Once you have done this for anbiya, tell us more about Imams from progeny of Ali.

Thank you.

[anajmi]

And please also give us the name and address of the current Imam. I need to study the Quran directly from him.

[porus]

Doctor,

Muslims believe that there have been 124,000 anbiya from Adam to Muhammad.

You yourself have mentioned that there will be 100 mustaqar Imams from progeny of Ali. We know the names of 21 Imams, not counting Ali.

How many mustawda Imams are there from progeny of Ali? Can you, identify them at least up to the time Imam al-Tayyib?

You mentioned Abu Taib as a Mustaqarr Imam. Prior to Ali, how many mustaqarr and mustawda Imams have there been? Do they include the anbiya mentioned in the Quran or are they amongst 124,000 not mentioned in the Quran?

And what about the Duaat. Is there a similar distinction? A mustaqarr Dai and a mustawda Dai?

I await your response. Thank you

[murtaza2152]

@Porus
For names of Mustaqar Imam of 6 Notaqa refer to Bawisa Ni Doa . In which it reads ,
WA ATA WASSALO MOWLANA AADAM , WA MOQIMEHI MOWLANA HUNAID ........
In this Hunaid was Mustaqar Imam who initiated the dawr us satr with Mustawda Aadam .

[JC]

Thank you all specially Bro Porus.

I am totally amazed and confused at all this ...... Did not God said He has made religion simple for its followers??!! If yes, then why there is so much Confusion about Nabis and Imams and that too Mustaqir and Mustawda (add on to it Dais for DBs). I mean tell me the logic - if God could send 124,000 prophets He could simply have continued sending one after other calling him a Prophet, period. Would that not be easy for people to understand, appreciate and follow?? To confuse the things, Imams have stopped coming but they will come..??!!! for DBs Imam is Hazir, Maujood and Wajid-ul-Wajood?? And one can see Aga Khan too!!

Somebody in reply noted (may be Doctor or Humanbeing I am not sure) that HUMANS are necessary to explain and interprete God's message - OK, then let Prophets continue to come. My argument is that God STOPPED because He had completed the religion and saw no reason to sent any Prophet - so if God did that, HOW we can object on that and continue arguing that we NEED a leader??!!

And your assumption that a 'human' NEEDS a 'human' to understand and 'reach' Allah is flawed. In fact, it is totally other way round. All humans are equal, Prophets came to 'guide' and show the road map, it is Allah who has given wisdom and hedaya to understand and be on right path.

IF God can send Wahee to ONE person and show him the right way, cannot He do the same to ALL human beings??!! Indeed He can, in a fraction of a second!!

[Al Zulfiqar]

as an aside...

an elderly and irreverent parsi gentleman whom i know, once commented, "if allah sent a prophet and that prophet failed, because his message was soon twisted and perverted by his followers, why did he send another one? he should have sent that same dude again so that he could have rectified his mistakes and taught those stupid followers of his a good lesson. whats the point of sending a series of new prophets every time??"

[ghulam muhammed]

Moosa (a.s.) was known for his conversations with Allah (swt) on the mountain of kohe-tur where he addressed the grieviances of his followers and after that came down with Allah's replies and conveyed the same to his followers. Now it so happened that once on his way to the mountain, shaitan approached him and respectfully requested Musa (a.s.) to get only ONE answer from Allah (swt)....................... Shaitan said "Whenever any human commits a sin or acts against the will of Allah (swt) then people say that 'Shaitan instigated him/her'. Every wrong is always attributed to me alone. It is a known fact that Iam the shaitan and no one else is, so please ask Allah (swt) that when I acted against His will then WHO INSTIGATED ME ?????

[JC]

Thank you Bros SBM, Al-Zulfikar and Ghulam Mohammad.

Similar questions come to my mind too .......... I mean IF God can send Gabreel to 124,000 prophets with His message, He could have send him to entire human race!! Or God is short of resources and manpower (I mean angelpower) ... He is capable to EVERYTHING, so wouldn't it be better He directly 'conveyed' the message?? WHY He needed a Messanger?? Messangers were normal regular humans, correct?? May be better, so what??

Did not God opened the pandora box by involving humans in His relations or communications with other humans?? Did not He know it would be misused by other humans (like Kothari Dais)??

And why to blame Shaytan?? Exactly..!!! Human beings are bigger Shaytans ...!!! Not only they have cleverly manipulated God, they have used Shaytan for their own benefits ..........