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[Human]

Ok , so according to you God is just an accident, just as life is (according to science). But the biggest hole in that theory is consciousness. What is the nature of consciousness? Is it just the amalgamation and right combination of Hydrocarbons. Will science be ever able to create a conscious being?

I'm not saying God's an accident, I'm saying that religions are well executed plans (no accident!). I still do not discount the existence of a creator until science proves all the unexplained mysteries that are out there, but I refuse to believe that a particular religion on earth has cracked it correctly and that you have to do certain things to please the creator if he exists.
FYI, consciousness is just a state of mind according to science and all animals have consciousness too. Especially the great apes are so close to us in every sense (emotionally, biologically, physically, etc) that it is an absolute certainty that the modern homo-sapiens sapiens evolved from apes unlike what any major religion would tell you.
By the way, I could not make sense out of "amalgamation and right combination of Hydrocarbons" If that's your understanding of consciousness then you need to stop smoking pot. Hydrocarbons are molecular combinations of hydrogen and carbons and do not have anything to do with consciousness.

[AgnosticTheist]

Isn't the argument that "because there is creation, the creator must be present", too shallow?

It indeed is. If a creation needs a creator then isn't God himself a creation needing a creator? Or did he appear magically just like that?

[AgnosticTheist]

I still do not discount the existence of a creator until science proves all the unexplained mysteries that are out there

Just because science has not explained a few mysteries, it does not mean we should believe in existence of a creator. Remember, a few decades/centuries ago there were lots and lots of unexplained mysteries which science explained over the course of time. We should give it some more time to explain the remaining unsolved mysteries before reaching any conclusion.

[progticide]

I have a Dai living next door to me. I go and kiss his feet and then his Amil spanks me and empties my pocket. They have a library of hidden books that I cannot read. This is my proof and justification. This is the reason why I am a firm believer.

Using your above logic, we may also assume the following for you:

You have a neighbour living next door to you. You go and kiss his feet and then his servant spanks you and empties your pocket. They have a library of hidden video games that you cannot play. This is your proof and justification. This is the reason why you are a firm believer - "that your neighbour is your real father"

[anajmi]

Correct. You can absolutely assume that. Which proves why abdes idiots are idiots and I am not. Thank you for actually proving my point.

[progticide]

Correct. You can absolutely assume that. Which proves why abdes idiots are idiots and I am not. Thank you for actually proving my point.

So finally Anajmi agrees that his point is proved that his neighbour is his real father.

Let us all congratulate Anajmi on he getting to know his real father.

[MurtazaVds]

nah anajmi has much cnfusn related dat i.e. Right side neighbour or left

anyways cngrats

[anajmi]

Fortunately for abdes, there is no confusion. The Dai is the father for all of you isn't he?

[Al Zulfiqar]

nah anajmi has much cnfusn related dat i.e. Right side neighbour or left

anyways cngrats

u hav biggr cnphusn relatd dat.. rt side, lft side,frnt side or backside..

why u hav VD? 2 much sides naybors... ! mubaark, su eni niraali shaan chhe!!!

[MurtazaVds]

here come anajmi's saviour
to keep anajmi batt protected

chor chor ( AZ , ANAJMI) mausere bhai

[AgnosticTheist]

Would anyone be kind enough to bring the thread back to its original topic.

Anyone want to comment on what I said in my earlier posts?

[anajmi]

Just because science has not explained a few mysteries, it does not mean we should believe in existence of a creator.

I do not know of anyone who believes in a creator because science wasn't able to explain a few mysteries. Do you? Belief in a creator comes naturally to a human. Some see science create a microwave owen and force themselves to reject that which comes to them naturally.

[AgnosticTheist]

Just because science has not explained a few mysteries, it does not mean we should believe in existence of a creator.

I do not know of anyone who believes in a creator because science wasn't able to explain a few mysteries. Do you? Belief in a creator comes naturally to a human. Some see science create a microwave owen and force themselves to reject that which comes to them naturally.

I do not. My statement was in reply to Human's post (please refer the statement I quoted in my post above).

I understand that belief in a creator comes naturally to a human but is that belief correct? What is the proof of existence of a creator?

[profastian]

I do not know of anyone who believes in a creator because science wasn't able to explain a few mysteries. Do you? Belief in a creator comes naturally to a human. Some see science create a microwave owen and force themselves to reject that which comes to them naturally.

I do not. My statement was in reply to Human's post (please refer the statement I quoted in my post above).

I understand that belief in a creator comes naturally to a human but is that belief correct? What is the proof of existence of a creator?

Isn't that obvious. The proof is the creation

[AgnosticTheist]

Isn't that obvious. The proof is the creation

In which case please refer my earlier post. If creation is the proof, then God himself is a creation needing a creator. Isn't it? So there must be a bigger God? and for creating that bigger God there must be even a bigger God and so on...

[progticide]

Isn't that obvious. The proof is the creation

In which case please refer my earlier post. If creation is the proof, then God himself is a creation needing a creator. Isn't it? So there must be a bigger God? and for creating that bigger God there must be even a bigger God and so on...

This forum is for people who have already accepted the Oneness of Allah, almighty and merciful, who neither begets nor is begotten.

Since you have not yet accepted this, I suggest you complete your research first and revisit when you are done. In case your research does not yield results matching ours, please excuse us and take your scholarly opinion on some other welcoming forum.

[AgnosticTheist]

This forum is for people who have already accepted the Oneness of Allah, almighty and merciful, who neither begets nor is begotten.

Since you have not yet accepted this, I suggest you complete your research first and revisit when you are done. In case your research does not yield results matching ours, please excuse us and take your scholarly opinion on some other welcoming forum.

Sir, who told you that I have not accepted the Oneness of Allah? Did I say so? If not then please don't presume anything before getting to the facts. In case you are deducing so from my name, please go and read what Agnostic Theism is. I am no less a theist than you are.

I am not researching anything. In case you have not noticed, I am just asking questions! Please see the punctuation marks after each of my statement carefully. Did I ever state that there is no Allah?

I know what this forum is for (more than you). Have I started this topic? Again, please see who created this thread and asked for opinions. Have I posted anything objectionable or off topic on any of the other threads? Am I poking my nose with agnostic opinions in all the threads on this forum? Now you need to do some research! Come and talk to me when you are done doing that.

You are the one who is going off topic for this particular thread. If you had so much issue with this topic, why didn't you raise the objection when your dear friend started this topic? Why is this topic on this forum in the first place?

Lastly, take a note of my language and tone. I expect a civilized reply! And if that is not possible, then do not reply.

Thanks.

[progticide]

Agnostic,

Teri zara si chutki li toh tu bachche ki tarah rone lag gaya. Chal koi nahi, aansoon pohnch ley. Aage abhi bahut ungli karne waale behthe he.

BTW, if you thought you were here on this forum so that you can participate in some intellectual exchanges, you were never more wrong in your life. If you ever watched WWF Rumble in the Ring, you would definitely find resemblance to that on this forum.

[humanbeing]

Hi Adam / Progiticide


What is your public opinion on question expressed here….


What exactly is the objection / apprehension with providing Accounts of Funds ?


By what justification / logic / reason…. presenting accounts is to undermine authority of sayedna saheb ?

[AgnosticTheist]

I like to stick to the topic as much as possible.

So brother progticide, do you have any reply to the questions I raised regarding the creation and the creator? It is perfectly fine if you don't have any reply/answer. Neither do I have nor most of the people in this world.

Please try to give an on-topic reply this time (if possible).

[progticide]

GAYA SHAITAN MARA EK SAJDE KE NA KARNE SE
AGAR LAKHON BARAS SAJDE MEIN SAR MARA TO KYA MARA