Poverty in Ahmedabad

[ozmujaheed]

Sbm no offence taken

One person is better than non..but not thinking big is naive especially for exaggerated egoistic community of ours.

[bohraji]

OZ Bhai,
Do not generalise the whole community.It is this same very community where total strangers,SBM,Mustafanalwala,AZ,Asghar bhai,one momina bain, have come together from 3 different countries and wrote to me personally just so that they can help total strangers who are in need. Do not generalsie.There is a lot of good in everybody, we are all humans.Even Hurr was in the yazidi camp.But look what happened.He realised his mistake and was given the honour of the first shahadat at Karbala.Imam Hussain allowed him first because he was the guest and if his death was delayed then Hurr would have sufferd in the scorching heat for a few more hours.
Do you not agree OZ bhai?

[Humsafar]

I'm liking what I'm seeing here. It's a good idea not to put any money in the galla. We should start a campaign - by word of mouth, by email or by any other means - and persuade people not to put money in the galla but instead help the needy directly. With salamas there is sort of an obligation, but gulla donation is voluntary and people must be made to understand that they can disburse that donation the way they like. They don't have to put it in the galla. Because once there, there's no knowing where it goes.

[ghulam muhammed]

The money spent on a SINGLE ziafat is enough for almost 100 poor bohras to start a small business (like hawking) which means it can take care of a 100 families for a lifetime, a single hadiyat can take care of almost 50 bohras but do we find any abde thinking from that perspective and diverting those funds for this genuine cause ??

Very few must be aware that mazun's sons engage in real and constructive charitable work. They personally visit pockets of mumbra, mumbai and help many bohras without any pomp and show. Mazun's children are the MOST educated lot amongst the entire saifee mahal and yet they are very down to earth and wear very simple clothes. Their charities are not known to bohras because they themselves do not publicise it and moreover they are side tracked due to the power struggle in saifee mahal and not given publicity on kothar sponsored sites.

[SBM]

A humble request to all:
Please keep this thread for Bohraji's mission and let us see how many people can join in helping people who really needs help. Poverty does not differentiate between Progressives and Orthos. Please stay on the topic of poverty and how to help instead of diverting to others
So far positive responses from AZ, MN, HB please make it viral
I know this forum is being monitored by Kothari Goons and if this thread and forum can shame them in helping those unfortunate Mumineen I think this forum has already caused reverberation
Adam-Progticide-Profstian-Shabbir4U-Murtaza VD-Abde53 where are you all and do you believe what Bohraji says is true. As far as I am concerned I have verified and I know Bohraji is very sincere and he is doing what he is preaching.

[bohraji]

Thank you SBM bhai,
Even I am of the ortho fold.It was just this kind of cold response from my ortho friends that prompted me to write on this forum. Uptill now 3 people have shown the desire to help and have sent personal messages to me.One will be sending me the money today and he has promised to contribute every month.
Mashallah, people are coming forward to help and I pray that more start doing such things at their own level in the cities and towns that they live or where there watan is.
Do not the readers find it pathetic that none of my fellow orthos/abdes named by SBM have responded? I can give you direct contacts of the needy and you can help there directly.Your identity will remain a secret as you can contribute to the one in need directly.Please come forward and help,a fellow mumin needs medicine,a mumin child needs tuition fees,a sick widow needs medicine,an old man needs clothes, an invalid needs medical attention.Yes they are all bohras in the ortho fold.
I hope someone will respond today and send a PM either to me or SBM.
You can do it,be the change.

[mmv]

Thank you SBM bhai,
Even I am of the ortho fold.It was just this kind of cold response from my ortho friends that prompted me to write on this forum. Uptill now 3 people have shown the desire to help and have sent personal messages to me.One will be sending me the money today and he has promised to contribute every month.
Mashallah, people are coming forward to help and I pray that more start doing such things at their own level in the cities and towns that they live or where there watan is.
Do not the readers find it pathetic that none of my fellow orthos/abdes named by SBM have responded? I can give you direct contacts of the needy and you can help there directly.Your identity will remain a secret as you can contribute to the one in need directly.Please come forward and help,a fellow mumin needs medicine,a mumin child needs tuition fees,a sick widow needs medicine,an old man needs clothes, an invalid needs medical attention.Yes they are all bohras in the ortho fold.
I hope someone will respond today and send a PM either to me or SBM.
You can do it,be the change.

Count me too with you, I send you PM, Please reply to it

[bohraji]

@mmv
Salaam, I do not have the PM .please resend it.

[asif786]

Thank you SBM bhai,
Even I am of the ortho fold.It was just this kind of cold response from my ortho friends that prompted me to write on this forum. Uptill now 3 people have shown the desire to help and have sent personal messages to me.One will be sending me the money today and he has promised to contribute every month.
Mashallah, people are coming forward to help and I pray that more start doing such things at their own level in the cities and towns that they live or where there watan is.
Do not the readers find it pathetic that none of my fellow orthos/abdes named by SBM have responded? I can give you direct contacts of the needy and you can help there directly.Your identity will remain a secret as you can contribute to the one in need directly.Please come forward and help,a fellow mumin needs medicine,a mumin child needs tuition fees,a sick widow needs medicine,an old man needs clothes, an invalid needs medical attention.Yes they are all bohras in the ortho fold.
I hope someone will respond today and send a PM either to me or SBM.
You can do it,be the change.

Bohraji

Pls count me in .I have sent you PM pls reply
JAK

[bohraji]

Salaam Alaikum,
To those people who have sent me a PM,
Please give me a few days to send you the contact info as requested.
I am still wiating for the fanatics to respond.

[bohraji]

Salaam Alaikum,
I would like to bring to your attention,if those who still think that acute poverty does not exist in our community.
There is place near the mazaar of Molai Adam Saheb (The same highly learned person who prayed behind a bhisti to prove his humbleness and obedeince to the the farmaan of his dai) called Eint Waada.This is nothing but jhopad pattis being inhabited by dawoodi bohras.Things are really bad there and this is just one of the places.Dirty,filthy squalid conditions.Improper sanitation and it is just pathetic.Let us not turn a blind eye to this.Let us open up to the stark realities and visualise the life of our fellow mumins.No white kurtas for them to wear,no mutton or chicken to eat,its just watery kichdee and watery daal.Forget the comforts of an AC kothri these poor souls will not even be allowed in the hall.

[DMY]

I am still wiating for the fanatics to respond.

I didn't understand this.

[abde53]

do you know why we the followers of shafiq bawa TUS are not responding to your comments here because you have not informed whether you
are doing this with the raza of our shafiq bawa TUS how can be there bhuko mumineen when our shafiq bawa TUS and syedi wa moulai Muffadal bs TUS
has started muwaid scheme to feed every mumin in anywhere in the world., they are having itjemas all over the world to make sure no mumin goes hungry and to make sure every one get halal and fresh food even when they are travelling
so can you tell us fanatics if you are have raza to do this and then we will consider talking to you

[ozmujaheed]

Bohraji you have misunderstood my response..sure you can help few which is better than none, good luck

I am disappointed that bohras do not have the vision and mission to abdicate poverty, there is no organized movement to do so and has left it to individual ideas.

[SBM]

Administration
After reading response from Abde53 and not hearing from 3 stooges of Kohar viz Adam-Progticide-Profstian, it is very clear that they are blinded and to them helping human being and specially of DB faith is not important they rather discuss mundane topics in circles
Is there anyway we can establish a link for donation for this cause with Bohraji being one of the trustee of this account to distribute and help people in need so people can contribute thru credit card or other way on this forum and money being distributed directly to people in need Remember part of the Wajebaats can be contributed for this cause
I as well as Bohraji have received many inquiries including from people from the other side of spectrum but may be hesitant to contribute directly (due to people like Abde53 who want RAZA )
Your help in this regard will be a great contribution to the cause of helping people in need

[Adam]

It is a great initiative to help the people in need all over the world.
We (the Shabab organization I am a part off) are undertaking similar efforts to help those in need.
Currently due to the Monsoon season, there are efforts to inspect households that are leaking and to make efforts to improve the structures.

It is great to know there is philanthrophy every where. Jazakallah.

[bohraji]

To ABDE 53,
Salaam Alaikum,
I have not taken raza for feeding a fellow mumin!
As for your statement that there can be no bhuko momin.
Dear Brother ,I have given you the place ,go see it yourself.
Eint Wada,Next to Molai Adam Saahab,Near 10 Acres mall (Big Bazaar).Ahmedabad.
These are jopad pattis and Mumineens are living in pathetic conditions.I am not going to click pictures and ridicule them.
So go there and see for yourself.

[stranger]

do you know why we the followers of shafiq bawa TUS are not responding to your comments here because you have not informed whether you
are doing this with the raza of our shafiq bawa TUS how can be there bhuko mumineen when our shafiq bawa TUS and syedi wa moulai Muffadal bs TUS
has started muwaid scheme to feed every mumin in anywhere in the world., they are having itjemas all over the world to make sure no mumin goes hungry and to make sure every one get halal and fresh food even when they are travelling
so can you tell us fanatics if you are have raza to do this and then we will consider talking to you

Kid53,
did you took raza for joining this forum ?

[DMY]

do you know why we the followers of shafiq bawa TUS are not responding to your comments here because you have not informed whether you
are doing this with the raza of our shafiq bawa TUS how can be there bhuko mumineen when our shafiq bawa TUS and syedi wa moulai Muffadal bs TUS
has started muwaid scheme to feed every mumin in anywhere in the world., they are having itjemas all over the world to make sure no mumin goes hungry and to make sure every one get halal and fresh food even when they are travelling
so can you tell us fanatics if you are have raza to do this and then we will consider talking to you

Kid53,
did you took raza for joining this forum ?

This should put the kid in his place!!!

[murtaza2152]

Salaam Alaikum,
I would like to bring to your attention,if those who still think that acute poverty does not exist in our community.
There is place near the mazaar of Molai Adam Saheb (The same highly learned person who prayed behind a bhisti to prove his humbleness and obedeince to the the farmaan of his dai) called Eint Waada.This is nothing but jhopad pattis being inhabited by dawoodi bohras.Things are really bad there and this is just one of the places.Dirty,filthy squalid conditions.Improper sanitation and it is just pathetic.Let us not turn a blind eye to this.Let us open up to the stark realities and visualise the life of our fellow mumins.No white kurtas for them to wear,no mutton or chicken to eat,its just watery kichdee and watery daal.Forget the comforts of an AC kothri these poor souls will not even be allowed in the hall.

@ Bohraji
Hey Bohraji , Please dont beat drums if u dont know anything about Ahmedabad .Not a single mumiin lives near Moulaai Aadam Saaheb Dargaah near Big Bazaar as u claim . So no question of filthy dirty surroundingand all rubbish things you wrote. Dont spread lies.
The place u mentioned Eiit Wada is in Saraspur where our main roza is situated ,in that area there are pakka makaans of mumineens and they are much well to do . There are also two flats in that area where mumineen are living happily one flat is named as Burhani Appartments . Infact houses are given to mumineen by jamaats in places like Kalupur Qutbi Mohalla , Mowalaai Dawood saab dargah complex , Moulaai Yusufi Tayyabji complex Gomtipur .
To add, whole Ahmedabad is benefitted by Thaali system .
So please dont spread lies , enquire before you write anything .

PS - I am from Ahmedabad and presently living .

[MurtazaVds]

It is a great initiative to help the people in need all over the world.
We (the Shabab organization I am a part off) are undertaking similar efforts to help those in need.
Currently due to the Monsoon season, there are efforts to inspect households that are leaking and to make efforts to improve the structures.

It is great to know there is philanthrophy every where. Jazakallah.

Same Here Adam Bhai.....me to the member of Shabab Organization in my city..........taking some small steps (Not much) to help the people......
......

[MurtazaVds]

@ Bohraji
Hey Bohraji , Please dont beat drums if u dont know anything about Ahmedabad .Not a single mumiin lives near Moulaai Aadam Saaheb Dargaah near Big Bazaar as u claim . So no question of filthy dirty surroundingand all rubbish things you wrote. Dont spread lies.
The place u mentioned Eiit Wada is in Saraspur where our main roza is situated ,in that area there are pakka makaans of mumineens and they are much well to do . There are also two flats in that area where mumineen are living happily one flat is named as Burhani Appartments . Infact houses are given to mumineen by jamaats in places like Kalupur Qutbi Mohalla , Mowalaai Dawood saab dargah complex , Moulaai Yusufi Tayyabji complex Gomtipur .
To add, whole Ahmedabad is benefitted by Thaali system .
So please dont spread lies , enquire before you write anything .

PS - I am from Ahmedabad and presently living .

Murtaza2152 is it true ??.......I have also know about that pakka makaans are being alotted to the muminees every where in the cities and muminees getting benefit after this scheme of Huzurala Tus...my home town which is nearly a small city and there also the pakka makaan scheme is running through then how can big city like Ahmadabad not getting in touch with this scheme........
what to say bohraji after this.............

[SBM]

Both Murtazas
One with VD and one 2152
I did speak to people Bohraji mentioned and are being independently checked out for their conditions ( Not Bohraji but some one who is part of Abde group, not a fanatic and works for NGO) and you both are being part of Abde Regressive are nothing but liers. Shame on you Instead of helping people you are discrediting some one who is helping. Bohraji and many others on this forum are working independently to help those unfortunate people. Some of the generous people on this forum are helping those people directly thru their own contacts. All Bohraji is doing is identifying those who need help and puts in touch with those who want to support them.
You both must of for Bait e Zainy or Qasre Aali since you donot understand poverty and are in denial of poverty in Bohra Community.
In Mumbai I have seen Bohras living in Dharavi and Slum of Mumbra and no one is helping them Have you been to Naryalwadi Qabrastan and have you seen DB begging there.
Which world do you two MORONS live. a world of fantasy where Ziyafaats and Mushafikats are done 24/7. If you can not do something positive keep you idiotic personality out of it.

[MurtazaVds]

SBM
I am (might be Murtaza2152) not discrediting some one who is helping its good if ur going for a stand for those peoples .......I am also an active member of Shabab taking small steps for helping people.....we are just want to clarify from bohraji.....
if murtaza2152 is living in Ahmadabad he will know better then other who are living in other city.......
and acoording to murtaza2152 Not a single mumiin lives near Moulaai Aadam Saaheb Dargaah near Big Bazaar as claimed
and as said that there is bohra slum in the any where in the city...so cant u post the pic of that if it is true

[SBM]

SBM
I am (might be Murtaza2152) not discrediting some one who is helping its good if ur going for a stand for those peoples .......I am also an active member of Shabab taking small steps for helping people.....we are just want to clarify from bohraji.....
if murtaza2152 is living in Ahmadabad he will know better then other who are living in other city.......
and acoording to murtaza2152 Not a single mumiin lives near Moulaai Aadam Saaheb Dargaah near Big Bazaar as claimed
and as said that there is bohra slum in the any where in the city...so cant u post the pic of that if it is true

Here is the reference from another person
zohair1977 on Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:31 pm
Just go and visit Burhani Society, its called Dawoodi Bohra slum which is right behind Qutbi Roza...

[ghulam muhammed]

.......I am also an active member of Shabab taking small steps for helping people

I believe you are a member of Shabab, Mumbai and if so then are you aware of the dismal and pathetic living conditions of bohras in dharavi, sion koliwada and mumbra ? The bohra population in mumbra is almost equivalent to that in bhendi bazar and almost everyone there live below poverty line. Inspite of that are you aware that the ones who are entitled to RECIEVE zakat/wajebat are on the contrary asked to PAY the same ?

[bohraji]

Salaam Alaikum,
Dear Murtaza 2152.
I am glad that you wrote and that you are from Ahmnedabad,Let us forget about Molai Adam saahab.Let us take Saraspur as you said.There is the Saifee Society in saraspur.Now right behind the last lane of houses there is a small narrow lane.Go there and have a look as to how the hutment is built there and see how mumins are living there.Just outside the Roza of Qutbuddin Shaheed see the line of autos all are driven by our fellow bohras of the ortho fold.And diagnally opposite the gate there is an old man wearing a topi he rides the cycle for the handicapped.That poor gentleman has to beg.
Yes the pakka makaans have been made but there are a lot more that need to be made.I Challenge any one to walk around Kalopur there are more places than Qutbi Mohalla,See the things first hand.The Thali system is good but you know very well that the quality is questionable.Please understand besides food they also need other essentials.Like fees for kids,medicines,clothes,etc.

[aqs]

@All,

Whether Bohras live in Places Bohraji mentioned or not is irrelevant, the mute point is that their is poverty in Bohras and that cant be denied. we are so used to the pomp and show that we have forgotten that our brethern are in dire need of help. I have mentioned it earlier that we as a community needs to go back to our roots of philnathropy. Our forefather didnt just filled the coffers of Kothar and sit back for things to happen, they took it on themselves and helped the community as much as possible with their individual efforts or organised groups to help within the community.

Dont think that the undue credit will be taken by Aamil or clergies if you will help. Best way is dont mention it to anyone. try to be as discreet about your deeds as possible, this will help you dodge the limelight and futile attempts from the local aamil to pay jamaat instead of individual help.

I will give an example from my local town, Their is a group which is working outside Jamaat administration and is a private group. It gets its financial support from both mainstream bohras as well as reform minded and supporters of reformists. They have a database of whole City's Bohra populace, like how many widows, disabled, no earning members, below poverty line etc. They help so discreetly that maximum times the reciever dosnt know from where have they rec the ration, school fee, school uniform or medicines, they have shouldered medical bills also. Many aamils have tried to enlist them and make it a Jamaat runned group but they declined politely and continue on their own. One Aamil took help from them in distributing grant from Syedna(tus) he handed over the money and asked them to distribute according to their database. So not all Aamils are bad but majority have lost their sense of helping and empathy which they are entrusted with so take it upon yourself and dont expect others to carry it out for you.

[SBM]

Br. Aqs
Very well said and Aameen to that.

[SBM]

Murtaza 2152
If you are from Ahmedabad, can you please post your VERIFIABLE address and telephone number and we will have a representative from NGO take you and show you the poverty among Bohras and the people Bohraji is talking about.
Now you want Bohraji to post the pictures of those unfortunate DB who are poor, Is not enough that they are living in squalid condition and you want them to be humiliated further by having their pictures posted here. You must be a sadistic person who enjoys the misery of people.
AGAIN I AND OTHERS HAVE VERIFIED THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IDENTIFIED BY BOHRAJI AND MANY ON THIS FORUM HAVE WRITTEN TO ME AND HAVE JOINED IN THE NOBLE CAUSE OF HELPING THESE AND OTHERS DOWN ON THEIR LUCK.
I AM VERY PROUD THAT MAJORITY OF PEOPLE FROM BOTH SIDE OF SPECTRUM DID NOT EVEN QUESTION THE MOTIVES OF BOHRAJI AND OTHERS AND AGREED TO HELP PEOPLE IN NEED DIRECTLY OR THRU BOHRAJI via COUPLE OF VOLUNTEERS ON THE GROUND WHO WILL MEET THESE PEOPLE AND ASSESS THEIR SITUATION AND TRY TO MAKE THEM SELF SUFFICIENT AND TO IMPROVE THEIR LIVING CONDITIONS
Murtaza 2152, please and I am requesting you to refrain from spreading doubts in people's mind who are ready and willing to help if you do not want to help please stay out of it like Progticide-Profstian-shabbir4U and others have done and be happy with your participation in whatever you do.
I WANT TO THANK ALL THOSE (ORTHOS AND PROGRESSIVES) WHO HAVE ALREADY AGREED TO TAKE THIS UPON THEMSELVES INSTEAD OF WAITING FOR ESTABLISHMENT AS THEY ARE ALL AWARE OF REALITY ON GROUND.
MAY ALLAH REWARD ALL OF THEM FOR THEIR HELP AND MAY ALLAH GUIDE THOSE WHO HAVE DOUBTS IN THEIR MIND
Sorry for shouting (by putting in Block letters)