Adam wrote:Misaaq:
I know for a fact (as mentioned by you), each mature child is explained the Misaaq in detail by an Amil or Moallim (not just namaaz and Roza). It is also the parents responsibility to make sure it is understood and taught.
About the written document. it is available and been printed and translated many times and in a variety of languages (for each country, i've even seen a French and Swahili translation).
If you are a Dawoodi Bohra and want a copy of it, go to your local Amil. I'm sure he'll help.
Oh that’s a wonderful news ! I shall contact my local amil and seek a written copy of Misaak. Adam, lot of things which appear as a learned fact to you, are unknown to commoners. However I will not insist on my opinion for a fact that we know in our hearts what is the reality at ground level.
Just for an example, without pointing fingers I would like to give you a situation. There are many bohras who don’t agree with practices and policies of sayedna saheb in the community; such as hunting of animals for pleasure, claim to infallibility, laagats on secular occasions, graded segregation of people in the community or lack of financial accountability, subservient slave / master relation with any officeholders from kothar . As per misaak, they are violating conditions of total agreement without dissent. Whats is your POV on that.
Adam wrote:Raza:
Not sure what the question was.
But if it is, "What's the necessity?", well, you answered it, while seeking Raza, we seek the blessings at the same time. Syedna is our leader, and all loving father and mother. We will seek advice, raza, blessings from him in all matter pertaining to life, it is his decision that is the best for us.
According to Fatimid texts like
Adam, I mentioned that, There is a difference between Raza and Dua, we know for a fact one can do 2 kinds of arzi, one for raza and one for dua. I don’t undermine importance of Raza and Dua, but my query is with penetrating dependence and emerging trend of superstitious beliefs in seeking raza for trivial matters such as driving license, feeding babies, embarking on a planned journey etc. List of such cases are long. Please note again, they are seeking raza and not dua.(Dua by default is attached to any raza. )
A social friend of mine, seeked raza for a driving license and purchase of a car, he gave the credit of accomplishing a simple routine task of getting this material convenience to sayedna saheb’s raza and dua, few weeks later he met with 2 car accidents and had to save his license from being revoked, since then he has given up driving and kept his car in the shed until he renews his confidence. Now what do you say about turn of such unfortunate events in his life ? according to a rational thinker, former or later has no connection with sayedna saheb’s raza or dua. For a faithful it’s an act of destiny by Allah, for a rationalist its turn of logical events.
Many mothers seek raza for feeding their babies first “lukma” of food (veg or non veg) other then mother’s milk. How does seeking raza help here, feeding babies with meals is also learned through doctor’s advise and natural progression as per age, even raza committee of sayedna saheb advises as per acceptable norms. I m again saying, if this particular arzi is sent for Dua then its understood.
Similarly there are many trivial occasions for which any common sense solution is applicable for which raza is seeked and answers are obvious “ RAZA CHE”
Is there any credible list of events for which raza shall be seeked and its importance of Raza ?
Adam wrote:Its faith and belief. Something you may not understand. You would've, IF you were a Dawoodi Bohra.
Back to your cheap tactics ! I take you as a civil person to converse with. There is a thin line between belief and superstition (this remark is limited to topic of raza)
I m a Dawoodi Bohra by birth, by misaak and by belief (Just like others) you are not an authority to decide my faith.
Adam wrote:Does cheating Daawat and Dai qualify for the baraat of a person ? (Financially or Religiously)
Religiously, Yes. (As stated in the Misaaq)
Financially not necessarily (many cheated financially because they didn't have religious beliefs).
Other disciplinary actions are taken.
I m sorry ! can you please explain this issue more clearly. How does Financial Fraud / Cheat not be a reason for baraat, especially when the fraud is breach of Dai’s Trust (Imam’s Trust) and embezzling of Daawat’s money.
With specific reference to Sheikhs and Amils who are appointed by sayedna saheb by virtue of religious authority and in position to take care of religious / administrative affairs indulge in cheating (financially and morally) can be passed off as with no religious beliefs ?
What are the disciplinary actions, can you state all or few as per your knowledge ?
Adam wrote:What is the scope of Baraat ? is it expulsion / excommunication of a person from bohra community or Islam ?
Community. We are Muslims. It is a Bara'at from the Dawoodi Bohra Muslim Community.
So its an explusion from the community, if that person recites with belief in Kalema of Shahadat, is he/she a Muslim ?
Can he/she continue to pray namaaz in the bohra masjid ? Individually as well as under Imamat ?
Adam wrote:Similar to Misaaq, why is Order or Baraat not given in writing to the accused ?
. Would you really want it in writing? Would the person getting Bara'at accept it? No.
Why not ! When sayedna saheb decides to baraat someone, what authority / choice that lowly commoner has to accept or reject. There is no choice ! baraat is a judgement not an option !
Adam wrote:I know when certain people were given Bara'at, there were written Misaals sent informing that so and so is not a part of this community.
To whom is this written Misaals sent to ? Local Amils or general Public ? Is this written Misaal / Memo displayed at conspicuous location at community halls or masjid’s bulletin boards ?
. Would you really want it in writing? 