Rasulallah (SA) had prophesied the martyrdaom of Syedna Qutbuddin al-Shaheed.
Aap Hindustan na Du’at ma pehla shaheed che. Rasool-e-Akram (SAWA) ye farmaayo ke “1000 saal na matha par Hind ma mahari dawat na Nas na saheb deen ni hifaazat waste shaheed thase. Aa mahara saheb haqq par hase ane tenaa dushmano baatil (juth) par hase.”
MurtazaVds wrote:Rasulallah (SA) had prophesied the martyrdaom of Syedna Qutbuddin al-Shaheed
MurtazaVds wrote:These enemies, namely the likes of Qasim Aandhlo, Abdul Ghavii and Aurangzeb (l.a.) conspired to murder Syedna Qutbuddin.1 Syedna Qutbuddin was executed under the charge of being a 'raafzi' (one who has deviated from the path of Islam), a charge which Molana refuted by saying that; far from being a 'raafzi' - he was upon the essence of the 'Sunnah'. Molana chose martyrdom over admittance to such a charge.
aliabbas_aa wrote:MurtazaVds wrote:These enemies, namely the likes of Qasim Aandhlo, Abdul Ghavii and Aurangzeb (l.a.) conspired to murder Syedna Qutbuddin.1 Syedna Qutbuddin was executed under the charge of being a 'raafzi' (one who has deviated from the path of Islam), a charge which Molana refuted by saying that; far from being a 'raafzi' - he was upon the essence of the 'Sunnah'. Molana chose martyrdom over admittance to such a charge.
One should desist from cursing muslims after their death,Aurangzeb (rah) ruled for almost 60 years - the longest serving Ruler in the History of India. He tried to purge the mughal empire of its luxurious and autocratic ways as he himself lived a very austere life unlike the fatemi daees which rule like modern maviyas.
here is an excerpt of his last will recorded by Maulvi Hamid-ud Din in chapter 8 of his hand written book in Persian about the life of Aurangzeb:
My servant, Aya Beg, has my purse in which I have carefully kept my earnings of 4 Rs and 2 annas. In my spare time I have been writing the Koran and stitching caps. It was by selling the caps that I made an honest earning of 4 Rs and 2 annas. My coffin should be purchased with this amount. No other money should be spent for covering the body of a sinner. This is my dying wish. By selling the copies of the Koran I collected 305 Rs. That money is also with Aya Beg. It is my will that poor Mohammedans should be fed with sweet rice purchased by this money.
All my articles - clothes, ink stand, pens and books should be given to my son Azam. The labour charges for digging my grave will be paid by Prince Azam.
My grave should be dug in a dense forest. When I am buried my face should remain uncovered. Do not bury my face in earth. I want to present myself to Allah with a naked face. I am told whoever goes to the supreme court with a naked face will have his sins forgiven.
My coffin should be made of thick Khaddar. Do not place a costly shawl on the corpse. The route of my funeral should not be showered with flowers. No one should be permitted to place any flowers on my body. No music should be played or sung, I hate music.
No tomb should be built for me. Only a chabootra or platform may be erected.
I have not been able to pay the salaries of my soldiers and my personal servants for several months. I bequeath that after my death at least my personal servants be paid in full as the treasury is empty. Niamat Ali has served my very faithfully he has cleaned my body and has never let my bed remain dirty.
No mausoleum should be raised in my memory. No stone with my name should be placed at my grave. There should be no trees planted near the grave
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Muslim First wrote:Br Aliabbas
AS
Above post by esteem doctor saheb is perfect example of Bohra religion a perverted version of Islam.
Their religion follows 8 requirements instead of 5 for Islam
Additional 3 are
Vilayat
Tahriyat and
Hatred, this they learn while they are in their mothers womb. As part of their secrete worship ritual.
Doctor wrote:
Muslim First ke Islam ke 5 pillars:
1. Bugz a Rasool Allah
2. Bugz a Ali
3. Bugz a Fatima
4. Bugz a Hasan
5. Bugz a Hussain
A Muslim lives in a world without clergy and without religious hierarchy; when he prays he does not pray via Jesus, Mary or other interceding saints, but directly to God-as fully emancipated believer-and this in a religion free of mysteries. An atmosphere of this kind suits the modern democratic citizen come of age far better then the wondrous, mystery stricken atmosphere of Byzantine and Catholic Churches, geared towards “Intercession” and focusing sacraments administered by clergymen.
(Islam the Alternative (Amana Publication) , Page 15
, Once again I explained to Ali Abbas that hatread was part of DB religion.100 choohe kha kar kutta haj ko chala!
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Muslif First,
Tenants of Dawoodi Bohras has nothing to do with this thread. You have now made it habbit of commenting on everything. May be you too did not study history properly. Aurangzeb has killed hundred of dawoodi bohras in ahmedabad, Ahmed Nagar, Aurangabad and other part of india during his period.
aliabbas_aa wrote:MurtazaVds wrote:These enemies, namely the likes of Qasim Aandhlo, Abdul Ghavii and Aurangzeb (l.a.) conspired to murder Syedna Qutbuddin.1 Syedna Qutbuddin was executed under the charge of being a 'raafzi' (one who has deviated from the path of Islam), a charge which Molana refuted by saying that; far from being a 'raafzi' - he was upon the essence of the 'Sunnah'. Molana chose martyrdom over admittance to such a charge.
One should desist from cursing muslims after their deathWhy just Muslims, why not everybody. Why curse anybody period dead or alive.,Aurangzeb (rah) ruled for almost 60 years - the longest serving Ruler in the History of India.I would not use (rah) so liberally for murderers. Whether the Dai or other Shias whom he had killed because they did not follow his type of Islam were wrong in following their beliefs, only God is the Judge. He tried to purge the mughal empire of its luxurious and autocratic ways as he himself lived a very austere life unlike the fatemi daees which rule like modern maviyas.Dawood Nabi, SAW, Suleiman Nabi SAW, Fatemi Imams, Ayubids, Abbasids lived a life of austerity. Saudi King, King of Jordan, Emirs of Kuwait, UAE, etc. all are Muslims and yet they live a life of austerity, more so than the Dai. Would you call them Muawiyas too?
here is an excerpt of his last will recorded by Maulvi Hamid-ud Din in chapter 8 of his hand written book in Persian about the life of Aurangzeb:He wrote what he wanted and omitted the atrocities he committed against the Shias of all denominations.
My servant, Aya Beg, has my purse in which I have carefully kept my earnings of 4 Rs and 2 annas. In my spare time I have been writing the Koran and stitching caps. It was by selling the caps that I made an honest earning of 4 Rs and 2 annas. My coffin should be purchased with this amount. No other money should be spent for covering the body of a sinner. This is my dying wish. By selling the copies of the Koran I collected 305 Rs. That money is also with Aya Beg. It is my will that poor Mohammedans should be fed with sweet rice purchased by this money.
All my articles - clothes, ink stand, pens and books should be given to my son Azam. The labour charges for digging my grave will be paid by Prince Azam.
My grave should be dug in a dense forest. When I am buried my face should remain uncovered. Isn't this against Sharia. Do not bury my face in earth. I want to present myself to Allah with a naked face.AS if Allah SWT was going to come down to meet him in person, what nonsensense I am told Whoever told him so was a liar!whoever goes to the supreme court with a naked face will have his sins forgiven (what b.s. is this? .Where in the Qur'an or Sunnah?????
My coffin should be made of thick Khaddar. Do not place a costly shawl on the corpse. The route of my funeral should not be showered with flowers. No one should be permitted to place any flowers on my body. No music should be played or sung, I hate music. Brother AliAbbas you went from the frying pan into a blazing inferno. I pity you.
No tomb should be built for me. Only a chabootra or platform may be erected.
I have not been able to pay the salaries of my soldiers and my personal servants for several months.Why? How did their families survive. If he could not afford servants, then why have them? I bequeath that after my death at least my personal servants be paid in full as the treasury is empty. If the treasury was empty, how did he think his servans were going to be paid. Niamat Ali has served my very faithfully he has cleaned my body and has never let my bed remain dirty.
No mausoleum should be raised in my memory. No stone with my name should be placed at my grave. There should be no trees planted near the grave
Brother Ghulam, I am surprised at you. I can understand If Hindu writers wrote bad things, but how do you justify this murderer's acts of murders against the Dawoodi Bohora Dais, Ismaili Pirs, Shia leaders, etc.? Above all against his father and brother. He was so pious that he wanted his face not buried in dirt because he wanted to face Allah SWT face to face. What an arrogant fool. He was probably afraid of being suffocated! Not realising his senses would be dead together with himself. Read more about his idiosyncracies posted by brother Ali Abbas.ghulam muhammed wrote:A contrarian view by some historians :-
Mughal Emperor Aurangzeb: Bad Ruler or Bad History?
Of all the Muslim rulers who ruled vast territories of India from 712 to 1857 CE, probably no one has received as much condemnation from Western and Hindu writers as Aurangzeb. He has been castigated as a religious Muslim who was anti-Hindu, who taxed them, who tried to convert them, who discriminated against them in awarding high administrative positions, and who interfered in their religious matters. This view has been heavily promoted in the government approved textbooks in schools and colleges across post-partition India (i.e., after 1947). These are fabrications against one of the best rulers of India who was pious, scholarly, saintly, un-biased, liberal, magnanimous, tolerant, competent, and far-sighted.
http://www.albalagh.net/general/0093.shtml
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They are wise. Silence is Golden.
Hanif
2. Please re-read verse (5:48) which states: “For each of you We have made a (different) code (Shariah), and an open way (of action). If God so pleased, He would have made you (all) into one community. Therefore vie (with each other) in goodness (so that) He may test you by what He has given you. (Remember, you) all will (eventually) return to God, and He will tell you in what you differed.”
anajmi wrote:They are wise. Silence is Golden.
You are obviously not from them as displayed by your above three posts. Next time, display your wisdom by actually keeping quite. And when you keep quite, stick to it rather than talking behind someone else's back. And try to quote complete ayahs of the quran so that the context is not lost, unless that is what you wish to do.
ghulam muhammed wrote:Bro Muslim First,
This topic is regarding the killing of a person who is revered by bohras at large and as per historical evidence Aurangzeb is the main culprit, hence good deeds by him if any will not absolve him of his crime nor will it bring any changes in their viewpoint.
aliabbas_aa wrote:ghulam muhammed wrote: can you quote authentic "historic references" which prove that HAZRAT Aurangzeb(rah) unjustly killed hazrat qutbuddin?
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aliabbas_aa wrote:can you quote authentic "historic references" which prove that HAZRAT Aurangzeb(rah) unjustly killed hazrat qutbuddin? What were the detailed charges put up against the victim? May be that the victim might have committed a serious blasphemy ? May be These all are just speculations and false rumors.
Muslim First wrote:Hanif
2. Please re-read verse (5:48) which states: “For each of you We have made a (different) code (Shariah), and an open way (of action). If God so pleased, He would have made you (all) into one community. Therefore vie (with each other) in goodness (so that) He may test you by what He has given you. (Remember, you) all will (eventually) return to God, and He will tell you in what you differed.”
Hanif
Secterians use half ayas to prove their POV. Apperently you copied this without reading full Aya or one before it or one after it.
Here is full Aya
[Shakir 5:48] And We have revealed to you the Book with the truth, verifying what is before it of the Book and a guardian over it, therefore judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and do not follow their low desires (to turn away) from the truth that has come to you; for every one of you did We appoint a law and a way, and if Allah had pleased He would have made you (all) a single people, but that He might try you in what He gave you, therefore strive with one another to hasten to virtuous deeds; to Allah is your return, of all (of you), so He will let you know that in which you differed;
Now where do you want to discuss this Aya. Who is diverting this thread me or you the "Burhani DB Guard dog"?
BTW I am studying various Tafseers and iterpretation is not one you have arrived.
Aarif wrote:aliabbas_aa wrote:ghulam muhammed wrote: can you quote authentic "historic references" which prove that HAZRAT Aurangzeb(rah) unjustly killed hazrat qutbuddin?
Aliabbas,
You should do some basic research before calling this dick head HAZRAT Aurangzeb(rah). He was one of the most fanatic Mughal rulers. He completely spoiled the Mughal reputation created by rulers like Babar and Akbar. He murdered not only his own brother but thousands of Hindus, Sikhs and Rajputs because of his strong hatred and intolerance towards other religions. He beheaded sikh guru Guru Tegh Bahadur because he did not accept Islam. He destroyed and burned down hundreds of Hindu temples and holy shrines. He was the one responsible for the downfall of the Mughal empire. Because of his fanatic attitude he created multiple enimies who constantly fought against him and eventually weakened his empire. Here are couple of links that describe his attitude towards other religions and his atrocities in general.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions ... re_1.shtml
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/top ... /Aurangzeb
As far as Qutbuddin Shaheed is concerned bohras have no reason to create a fake story as they have nothing personal against Aurangazeb. The wikipedia does mention some information on his death with references from some bohra historical literature. If you believe otherwise come up with some concrete proof against this event.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qutubuddin_Shaheed