Dawoodi Bohra ISMAILIYA Shia

[badrijanab]

[I am not the author of this article. I am merely copying/past from source considered to be reliable Daawoodi Bohra]

Bismillah Hir Rahman Nir Raheem
Ya Imam Mohammed Shakir a.s. ibn Imam Ismail a.s. Ibn Imam Jaffer Sadik a.s

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Aaka Rasool Allah s.a.w.w ne farmaya, "A Ali a.s. me aur aap mumineen ke maa-baap he, beshaq mumineen (aapas me; eik doosre ke) bhai he, unke baap noor aur maa rehmat he, Hasan a.s. aur Hussain a.s. haq ke Imam he (jannt ke jawano ke sardaar he) chahe bethe (sulha kare) ya uthe (jihaad kare) aur in dono ke baap ALI a.s. INSE AFZAL HE." . Matlab ki Hasan a.s. aur Hussain a.s. Imam he aur Ali a.s. WASI he. Wasayat ka makaam Imamat se aala aur Nubuwat ka makaam wasayat se aala he. Yaani Nabi baap, Wasi yaani Maa, Aimma (plural of Imam) yaani aulaad.

Awwal aulaad HASAN a.s. FIRST IMAM he aur aap ke baad chadar-a-tatheer me aapke shareek, nuss-a-Nabwi ke mutabik doosre Imam Husssain a.s., aapke ke baad teesre Imam Zainul Abedeen a.s., 4th Imam Mohammed Bakir a.s., 5th Imam Jaffer Sadik a.s. Imam Jaffer Sadik a.s. ne nuss-a-jali (public declaration like that of Gadeer-a-Khum where Mohammed s.a.w.w. did nuss-a-Jali on Mola Ali a.s.) se 6th Imam Ismail a.s. he, aapke baad 7th Imam Mohammed Shakir a.s. he. Salamun alehi wa Salwaat.

Allah ke 99 behtareen naam he. 99 Imam ke baad unke musamma Molana 'Imam Quaim' (Mehdi) sahib-a-qayamt tashreef layenge. Quran kehta he: zameen apne Rab ke noor se roshan ho jayegi, zulm wa zor ke baad adal-aur-insaaf se bhar jayegi.

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18th Fatimi Imam Molana Mustansir Billah a.s. ke 2 bete Imamat ke mutallik jagdte hove aapke samne aaye (in me se eik Nizaar the jisko Agakhani Ismaili Khoje apna Imam maante he) to aapne farmaya: "tum jagda mat karo, tumhare me se koi bhi Imam nahi, woh peda hona baaki he, yeh sirf Allah ke ikhtiyaar ki baat he." Yani Imam; Imam bankar he peda hote he, pedaishi Imam hota he. Imam kaamil peda hote he, nuks (erroneous) wale nahi.

Imam Jaffer Sadik a.s. ne farmaya: "(apna successor / next Imam) Imam ko qayam karne ki authority humare paas nahi he, balki sirf Allah ke paas he.

Kisi bachche ke father uske bachpan me mar jaye; bhale woh bachcha (minor age ka) ho magar marne wale father ka wohi waris hota he, aur uska bachpan usko uski wirasat se rokta nahi he. Similarly, Imamt me bhi aisa hi hota he: Imam Jaffer Sadik a.s. ne apne bete Ismail a.s. ko Imamat ke asset ki ownership transfer kar di, ab us Imamat ke asset per Imam Ismail a.s. akele ka sirf right he. Imam Ismail a.s. apne father Imam Jaffer Sadik a.s. ki zindagi me guzar gaye - ab Imam Ismail a.s. ke assets (Imamat) ka waris unka beta Imam Mohammed Shakir a.s. honge; bhale woh age me minor ho, NA ki unke bhai Musa Kazim ya unke father Imam Jaffer Sadik a.s. ya aur koi.

Historical / Quranic examples of similar situation: Nabi Ibrahim Khaleelullah a.s. ne Imamat ke asset ki ownership apne bete Ismail a.s. ko transfer kar di. Imam Ismail ibn Nabi Ibrahim Khaleelullah aapki zindagi me hi wafat ho gaye, ab Imamat ka assets ki ownership aapke bete Molana Kezaar ko milegi bhale Molana Kezar age me minor ho. Is asset (Imamat) ka maalik Ismail a.s. ke bhai ya (Dada) Nabi Ibrahim Khaleelullah nahi ho sakte. Quran kehta he silsila Imamat ka Ismail a.s. ibn Nabi Ibrahim Khaleelullah me chala (via Molana Kezar a.s. / grandson ke). Is si tarha Imam Jaffer Sadik a.s. ke baad Imamat ka silsila Imam Ismail a.s. se chala (via Molana Mohammed Shakir a.s. / grandson ke).

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Osool a Imamat: Imamat sirf seedhi chaal chalti he, yaani baap ke baad beta qayam hota he. Imamat reverse ya ulti chaal nahi chalti yani Imamat bete se vapas palatkar baap per nahi jaati. In other words, Dada Imam zinda he, beta jis per nuss ki woh intikaal kar gaya to grandson next Imam qayam hoga na ki Imamat palat kar dada Imam ke paas lotegi - Imamat seedhi chaal chalti he.

Historical examples and Proofs:
(1) Molana Abdul Mutallib a.s. ke bete Molana Abdullah a.s. aapki zindagi me intikaal kar gaye to aapke baad Abdullah ke bete Syyedina Mohammad s.a.w.w. hi qayam hoove.

(2) Molana Aadam a.s. ke varis aapke bete Habeel; Aadam ki zindagi me intikal kar gaye to unke baad Habeel ke bete Hz. Shees hi qayam hoove.

(3) Nabi Ibrahim Khaleelullah ke bete Ismail Jabiyullah aapki zindagi me hi wafat pa gaye, to aapke bete Molana Kezar apne Dada Nabi Ibrahim Khaleelullah a.s. ki zindagi me hi Imam qayam hoove.

(4) Molana Yaqoob a.s. Israil ke bete Molana Yusuf apne walid ki zindagi me hi wafat hove to Yusuf a.s. ke bete Hz. Nahur Imam hoove.

(5) Molana Haroon a.s. Molana Moosa a.s. ki zindagi me hi wafat ho gaye to aapke baad aapke bete Finhaas hi Molana Moosa ki zindagi me Imam qayam hoove.

(6) Imam Jaffer Sadik a.s. ne apne bete Molana Imam Ismail a.s. per nuss ki magar woh unki zindagi me hi wafat kar gaye ab unke bete Mohammed Shakir a.s. agle Imam apne dada Imam Sadik a.s. ki zindagi me qayam honge.

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(1) Imam masoom hota he yani by default woh kabhi galti kar hi nahi sakta. Imam jisko apna waris declare karta he i.e. next Imam woh bhi masoom hi hota he. Aesi haalat me yeh kehna kitna galat he ki Imam Jaffer Sadik a.s. ne pehle apne bete Ismail a.s. per to nuss ki thi, magar Ismail a.s. se kuch galti ho gai, to Sadik Imam ne nuss tabdeel kar di. Aisa kehne walo ne Imam Sadik a.s. per tuchcha aur be-buniyaad ilzaam lagay!

(2) Jab Imam Sadik a.s. masoom he yani galti kar hi nahi sakte - to fir unse yeh galti kese ho sakti he ki woh eik non-masoom (galti karne wale) ko first place per Imam bana de?

(3) Non-Ismaili books me bhi saaf-saaf likha he ki (books ke naam next paragraph me he): Imam Jaffer Sadik a.s. ne apne bete Ismail a.s. per nuss-a-jali ki (PUBLICLY DECLARED NUSS / PUBLIC DECLARATION OF NEXT IMAM). Fir Imam Ismail a.s. ne apne bete Mohammed Shakir a.s. per nuss ki.

.....(i) Osole Kafi
.....(ii) Itihazul Hanfaa
.....(iii) Makrezi
.....(iv) Shaharistani
.....(v) Umd'tut Talib (Abu Anoof)
.....(vi) Al Harkatul Batiniya fil Islam (Syyed Mustafa Ghalib)
.....(vii) Tareekh Jahankushai (Kwaja Ataullah)
.....(viii) Tareekh Farishta (Mohammed Qasim)
.....(ix) Tareekul Alveen (Mohammed Ameen)
.....(x) Bihar-al-Anwaar (Allahma Majlisi) - very importnat book of Ithna Ashri
.....(xi) Akhlaaq Mohammed (Syed Sajjad Hussain)
.....(xii) Anwarul Quran .

(4) IMAM JAFFER SADIK a.s. SE GALTI HO HI NAHI SAKTI. NON-ISMAILI/(ITHNA ASHRI) LIKHTE HE UNKI APNI HISTORY ME KI IMAM JAFFER SADIK a.s. NE IMAM ISMAIL a.s. PER NUSS KI (APPOINTING HIM NEXT IMAM) - TO ISSE YEH SABIT HO GAYA KI IMAMAT KA SAHI AUR SACHCHA SILSILA IMAM JAFFER SADIK a.s. KE BAAD IMAM ISMAIL a.s. / IMAM MOHAMMED SHAKIR a.s. SE HI AAGE CHALA.

Alhamdo Lillah he Rabbil Aalameen.
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Is Doc ke Part 4 me humne Ithnashari Shia ke bahut sari important books se yeh sabit kiye ki Ithnashari Shia bhi yahi maante he ki Imam Jaffer Sadik a.s. ne publically apne sabse bade bete Molana Imam Ismail a.s. per Imamt ki nuss ki, aur Imam Ismail ne publically apne bete Mohammed Shakir a.s. per nuss ki.

Ithnashri shia ki one of the most important book: Osool-a-Kaafi ke Volume I, page# 329 per aur doosri kai Ithnashri ki books me yeh likha hoova ke, "Imam Jaffer Sadik a.s. ne farmaya: Imam Hasan aur Hussain ke baad koi waqat bhi Imamat do (two) bhaiyo ko NAHI mili." Hence, Ithnashari ki own authentic books se yeh sabit hota he ki Ismaili Fatimi Imamt ki chain hi sirf true Imamat ki chain he yani Imamat ka SAHI aur sachcha silsila Imam Jaffer Sadik a.s. se guzarta hoova, Imam Ismail a.s., Imam Mohammed Shakir a.s se hi aage badha.

Ithnaashri shia kehte he ki unke 12th Imam Mohammed approx. 1200 saal pehle Samarra ki gaar/gufa se gayab (Lapata) ho gaye, jo baad me zuhoor karenge, woh abhi zinda he aur wohi wapas aayenge? Inko yeh log ‘Mehdi’ kehte he, halanki inka real name he: Mohammed bin Hasan Askari.

Inke 12th Imam ke bare me yeh baat aai he ki: Samarra ki gufa se aap kamsin (bahut chhoti) age me gayab ho gaye, us waqat aapki walida aapko dekhti reh gai isliye yeh kaha jata he ki: woh gayab ho gaye fir unki koi bhi khabar nahi mili. JAB UNKI (12th Imam) KI KOI KHABAR NAHI MILI NA UNKI KOI KHABAR MALOOM HE TO UNKE ZINDA HONE KI KHABAR KAHA SE MILI????? .

Conclusion: Imam Jaffer Sadik a.s. se Imamat ka sahi aur true silsila Imam Ismail a.s. / Imam Mohammed Shakir a.s. se hi sirf aage badha. Ithnashari shia ki own books se yeh sabit hota he ki Imam Ismail a.s. / Imam Mohammed Shakir ibn Imam Ismail a.s. he sirf haq ke aur sahi Imam he aur non-Fatimi Dawat walo ke Imamat per daave ki sari baate nakli aur man-ghadant he.

Alhamdo Lillah He Rabbil Aalameen.
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Wa aakhiro dawan anil hamdo lillah he Rabbil aalameen

[Fateh]

[I am not the author of this article. I am merely copying/past from source considered to be reliable Daawoodi Bohra]

Bismillah Hir Rahman Nir Raheem
Ya Imam Mohammed Shakir a.s. ibn Imam Ismail a.s. Ibn Imam Jaffer Sadik a.s

___________________________________________________ DAWOODI BOHRA ISMAILIYA SHIA ___________________________________________________


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Aaka Rasool Allah s.a.w.w ne farmaya, "A Ali a.s. me aur aap mumineen ke maa-baap he, beshaq mumineen (aapas me; eik doosre ke) bhai he, unke baap noor aur maa rehmat he, Hasan a.s. aur Hussain a.s. haq ke Imam he (jannt ke jawano ke sardaar he) chahe bethe (sulha kare) ya uthe (jihaad kare) aur in dono ke baap ALI a.s. INSE AFZAL HE." . Matlab ki Hasan a.s. aur Hussain a.s. Imam he aur Ali a.s. WASI he. Wasayat ka makaam Imamat se aala aur Nubuwat ka makaam wasayat se aala he. Yaani Nabi baap, Wasi yaani Maa, Aimma (plural of Imam) yaani aulaad.

Awwal aulaad HASAN a.s. FIRST IMAM he aur aap ke baad chadar-a-tatheer me aapke shareek, nuss-a-Nabwi ke mutabik doosre Imam Husssain a.s., aapke ke baad teesre Imam Zainul Abedeen a.s., 4th Imam Mohammed Bakir a.s., 5th Imam Jaffer Sadik a.s. Imam Jaffer Sadik a.s. ne nuss-a-jali (public declaration like that of Gadeer-a-Khum where Mohammed s.a.w.w. did nuss-a-Jali on Mola Ali a.s.) se 6th Imam Ismail a.s. he, aapke baad 7th Imam Mohammed Shakir a.s. he. Salamun alehi wa Salwaat.

Allah ke 99 behtareen naam he. 99 Imam ke baad unke musamma Molana 'Imam Quaim' (Mehdi) sahib-a-qayamt tashreef layenge. Quran kehta he: zameen apne Rab ke noor se roshan ho jayegi, zulm wa zor ke baad adal-aur-insaaf se bhar jayegi.

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18th Fatimi Imam Molana Mustansir Billah a.s. ke 2 bete Imamat ke mutallik jagdte hove aapke samne aaye (in me se eik Nizaar the jisko Agakhani Ismaili Khoje apna Imam maante he) to aapne farmaya: "tum jagda mat karo, tumhare me se koi bhi Imam nahi, woh peda hona baaki he, yeh sirf Allah ke ikhtiyaar ki baat he." Yani Imam; Imam bankar he peda hote he, pedaishi Imam hota he. Imam kaamil peda hote he, nuks (erroneous) wale nahi.

Imam Jaffer Sadik a.s. ne farmaya: "(apna successor / next Imam) Imam ko qayam karne ki authority humare paas nahi he, balki sirf Allah ke paas he.

Kisi bachche ke father uske bachpan me mar jaye; bhale woh bachcha (minor age ka) ho magar marne wale father ka wohi waris hota he, aur uska bachpan usko uski wirasat se rokta nahi he. Similarly, Imamt me bhi aisa hi hota he: Imam Jaffer Sadik a.s. ne apne bete Ismail a.s. ko Imamat ke asset ki ownership transfer kar di, ab us Imamat ke asset per Imam Ismail a.s. akele ka sirf right he. Imam Ismail a.s. apne father Imam Jaffer Sadik a.s. ki zindagi me guzar gaye - ab Imam Ismail a.s. ke assets (Imamat) ka waris unka beta Imam Mohammed Shakir a.s. honge; bhale woh age me minor ho, NA ki unke bhai Musa Kazim ya unke father Imam Jaffer Sadik a.s. ya aur koi.

Historical / Quranic examples of similar situation: Nabi Ibrahim Khaleelullah a.s. ne Imamat ke asset ki ownership apne bete Ismail a.s. ko transfer kar di. Imam Ismail ibn Nabi Ibrahim Khaleelullah aapki zindagi me hi wafat ho gaye, ab Imamat ka assets ki ownership aapke bete Molana Kezaar ko milegi bhale Molana Kezar age me minor ho. Is asset (Imamat) ka maalik Ismail a.s. ke bhai ya (Dada) Nabi Ibrahim Khaleelullah nahi ho sakte. Quran kehta he silsila Imamat ka Ismail a.s. ibn Nabi Ibrahim Khaleelullah me chala (via Molana Kezar a.s. / grandson ke). Is si tarha Imam Jaffer Sadik a.s. ke baad Imamat ka silsila Imam Ismail a.s. se chala (via Molana Mohammed Shakir a.s. / grandson ke).

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Osool a Imamat: Imamat sirf seedhi chaal chalti he, yaani baap ke baad beta qayam hota he. Imamat reverse ya ulti chaal nahi chalti yani Imamat bete se vapas palatkar baap per nahi jaati. In other words, Dada Imam zinda he, beta jis per nuss ki woh intikaal kar gaya to grandson next Imam qayam hoga na ki Imamat palat kar dada Imam ke paas lotegi - Imamat seedhi chaal chalti he.

Historical examples and Proofs:
(1) Molana Abdul Mutallib a.s. ke bete Molana Abdullah a.s. aapki zindagi me intikaal kar gaye to aapke baad Abdullah ke bete Syyedina Mohammad s.a.w.w. hi qayam hoove.

(2) Molana Aadam a.s. ke varis aapke bete Habeel; Aadam ki zindagi me intikal kar gaye to unke baad Habeel ke bete Hz. Shees hi qayam hoove.

(3) Nabi Ibrahim Khaleelullah ke bete Ismail Jabiyullah aapki zindagi me hi wafat pa gaye, to aapke bete Molana Kezar apne Dada Nabi Ibrahim Khaleelullah a.s. ki zindagi me hi Imam qayam hoove.

(4) Molana Yaqoob a.s. Israil ke bete Molana Yusuf apne walid ki zindagi me hi wafat hove to Yusuf a.s. ke bete Hz. Nahur Imam hoove.

(5) Molana Haroon a.s. Molana Moosa a.s. ki zindagi me hi wafat ho gaye to aapke baad aapke bete Finhaas hi Molana Moosa ki zindagi me Imam qayam hoove.

(6) Imam Jaffer Sadik a.s. ne apne bete Molana Imam Ismail a.s. per nuss ki magar woh unki zindagi me hi wafat kar gaye ab unke bete Mohammed Shakir a.s. agle Imam apne dada Imam Sadik a.s. ki zindagi me qayam honge.

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(1) Imam masoom hota he yani by default woh kabhi galti kar hi nahi sakta. Imam jisko apna waris declare karta he i.e. next Imam woh bhi masoom hi hota he. Aesi haalat me yeh kehna kitna galat he ki Imam Jaffer Sadik a.s. ne pehle apne bete Ismail a.s. per to nuss ki thi, magar Ismail a.s. se kuch galti ho gai, to Sadik Imam ne nuss tabdeel kar di. Aisa kehne walo ne Imam Sadik a.s. per tuchcha aur be-buniyaad ilzaam lagay!

(2) Jab Imam Sadik a.s. masoom he yani galti kar hi nahi sakte - to fir unse yeh galti kese ho sakti he ki woh eik non-masoom (galti karne wale) ko first place per Imam bana de?

(3) Non-Ismaili books me bhi saaf-saaf likha he ki (books ke naam next paragraph me he): Imam Jaffer Sadik a.s. ne apne bete Ismail a.s. per nuss-a-jali ki (PUBLICLY DECLARED NUSS / PUBLIC DECLARATION OF NEXT IMAM). Fir Imam Ismail a.s. ne apne bete Mohammed Shakir a.s. per nuss ki.

.....(i) Osole Kafi
.....(ii) Itihazul Hanfaa
.....(iii) Makrezi
.....(iv) Shaharistani
.....(v) Umd'tut Talib (Abu Anoof)
.....(vi) Al Harkatul Batiniya fil Islam (Syyed Mustafa Ghalib)
.....(vii) Tareekh Jahankushai (Kwaja Ataullah)
.....(viii) Tareekh Farishta (Mohammed Qasim)
.....(ix) Tareekul Alveen (Mohammed Ameen)
.....(x) Bihar-al-Anwaar (Allahma Majlisi) - very importnat book of Ithna Ashri
.....(xi) Akhlaaq Mohammed (Syed Sajjad Hussain)
.....(xii) Anwarul Quran .

(4) IMAM JAFFER SADIK a.s. SE GALTI HO HI NAHI SAKTI. NON-ISMAILI/(ITHNA ASHRI) LIKHTE HE UNKI APNI HISTORY ME KI IMAM JAFFER SADIK a.s. NE IMAM ISMAIL a.s. PER NUSS KI (APPOINTING HIM NEXT IMAM) - TO ISSE YEH SABIT HO GAYA KI IMAMAT KA SAHI AUR SACHCHA SILSILA IMAM JAFFER SADIK a.s. KE BAAD IMAM ISMAIL a.s. / IMAM MOHAMMED SHAKIR a.s. SE HI AAGE CHALA.

Alhamdo Lillah he Rabbil Aalameen.
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Is Doc ke Part 4 me humne Ithnashari Shia ke bahut sari important books se yeh sabit kiye ki Ithnashari Shia bhi yahi maante he ki Imam Jaffer Sadik a.s. ne publically apne sabse bade bete Molana Imam Ismail a.s. per Imamt ki nuss ki, aur Imam Ismail ne publically apne bete Mohammed Shakir a.s. per nuss ki.

Ithnashri shia ki one of the most important book: Osool-a-Kaafi ke Volume I, page# 329 per aur doosri kai Ithnashri ki books me yeh likha hoova ke, "Imam Jaffer Sadik a.s. ne farmaya: Imam Hasan aur Hussain ke baad koi waqat bhi Imamat do (two) bhaiyo ko NAHI mili." Hence, Ithnashari ki own authentic books se yeh sabit hota he ki Ismaili Fatimi Imamt ki chain hi sirf true Imamat ki chain he yani Imamat ka SAHI aur sachcha silsila Imam Jaffer Sadik a.s. se guzarta hoova, Imam Ismail a.s., Imam Mohammed Shakir a.s se hi aage badha.

Ithnaashri shia kehte he ki unke 12th Imam Mohammed approx. 1200 saal pehle Samarra ki gaar/gufa se gayab (Lapata) ho gaye, jo baad me zuhoor karenge, woh abhi zinda he aur wohi wapas aayenge? Inko yeh log ‘Mehdi’ kehte he, halanki inka real name he: Mohammed bin Hasan Askari.

Inke 12th Imam ke bare me yeh baat aai he ki: Samarra ki gufa se aap kamsin (bahut chhoti) age me gayab ho gaye, us waqat aapki walida aapko dekhti reh gai isliye yeh kaha jata he ki: woh gayab ho gaye fir unki koi bhi khabar nahi mili. JAB UNKI (12th Imam) KI KOI KHABAR NAHI MILI NA UNKI KOI KHABAR MALOOM HE TO UNKE ZINDA HONE KI KHABAR KAHA SE MILI????? .

Conclusion: Imam Jaffer Sadik a.s. se Imamat ka sahi aur true silsila Imam Ismail a.s. / Imam Mohammed Shakir a.s. se hi sirf aage badha. Ithnashari shia ki own books se yeh sabit hota he ki Imam Ismail a.s. / Imam Mohammed Shakir ibn Imam Ismail a.s. he sirf haq ke aur sahi Imam he aur non-Fatimi Dawat walo ke Imamat per daave ki sari baate nakli aur man-ghadant he.

Alhamdo Lillah He Rabbil Aalameen.
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Wa aakhiro dawan anil hamdo lillah he Rabbil aalameen

Each & every words are true ,keep it up

[badrijanab]

Thanks Fateh.

[Muslim First]

I am glad I was born into Mainstream Muslim tarika. I do not have to worry about this half baked idea of Imamat where I need multi page theory to prove whos Imam is correct one.

Badrijanab ji, meherbani kar ke ek aya Quran ki hame bataaye jisme Allah taala ne hame bataya he ke Rasul ke baad ek aur noorani sisila chalega.

Agar hum aapki baat Maan le to kyo ye silsila bandh ho gaya?
Agar Allah ne Imamat rakhne ka waada kiya to kyo woh nibhate nahi?
Kyo Bohra Jamaat "Imam parde me he" keh kar apna dil behla te he?
Agar Bohri Jamaat ka ye usual durast aur succha he to aap kyo ye article post kar Rahey ho?
Imamat ke her mode me kyo lambe lambe EXPLANATION ki kyo jaroorat he?
Aapke Imam Ko kis baat ka khauf he ke woh ek darpok ki tarah choop rahe he.
Aagakhan dekho. Saari duniya me ghoom rahe he or jorse kehte he ki "me jinda Imam hoon".

Is sawalo ka jara jehmat kar ke jawab dena.

Allah Hafiz.

[badrijanab]

(1) Sunan Abu Dawood: the weblink - http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith ... h_word=all

Narrated Umm Salamah, Ummul Mu'minin: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: The mahdi will be of my family, of the descendants of Fatimah. Abdullah ibn Ja'far said: I heard AbulMalih praising Ali ibn Nufayl and describing his good qualities. (Book #36, Hadith #4271)

Narrated AbuSa'id al-Khudri: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: The mahdi will be of my stock, and will have a broad forehead a prominent nose. He will fill the earth will equity and justice as it was filled with oppression and tyranny, and he will rule for seven years. (Book #36, Hadith #4272)
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(2) Sahih Muslim - the web link: http://www.searchtruth.com/searchHadith ... h_word=all

Abu Nadra reported: "We were in the company of Jabir b. 'Abdulldh .... Allah', s Messenger (may peas be upon him) having said, There would be a caliph in the last (period) of my Ummah who would freely give handfuls of wealth to thd people wiothout counting it. I said to Abu Nadra and Abu al-'Ala: DO you mean 'Umarb. 'Abd al-Aziz? They said: No (he would be Imam mahdi.). (Book #041, Hadith #6961)
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(3) Quran: Chapter 2, Aayat# 124
(4) Quran: Chapter 17, Aayat# 71
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Mr. Muslim First,

your own authentic books have mentioned that Imam Mehdi (Imam Quaim) will come just before Qayamat who will be in the progeny of Molatina Fatima d/o Prophet Mohammed s.a. => To make true the prophecy of Prophet Mohammed that Imam Quaim (Mehdi) from the progeny of Molatina Fatima a.s. will be born before Qayamat he must have parents who will give him birth, their parents must have parents.... the chain reaches to present time i.e. Imam is now present on Earth who is from the progeny of Molatina Fatima d/o Prophet Mohammed.

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One forum member Mr. Ali Abbas wrote (viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7293): Abdullaah ibn Mas’ood reported that the Prophet (Peace & Blessings of Allaah be upon Him) said: "The world will not come to an end until the Arabs are ruled by a man from my family whose name will be the same as mine." (Musnad Ahmad, 5/199, hadeeth 3573. Another version says: "… whose name is the same as mine and whose father’s name is the same as my father’s." Sunan Abi Dawud, 11/370).

Per Fatimi Ismaili Dawat books, name of Imam Mehdi (Imam Quaim): Mohammed ibn Abdullah
Per Ithna ashri books, name of Imam Mehdi (Imam Quaim): Mohammed ibn Hasan Askari
Name of Prophet: Mohammed ibn Abdullah

Hence proved, Presently Imam is present and he is from the chain of Fatimi Ismaili series and not from the Ithna ashri series.

[anajmi]

the chain reaches to present time i.e. Imam is now present on Earth who is from the progeny of Molatina Fatima d/o Prophet Mohammed.

Can you please provide the whereabouts of this Imam?

[anajmi]

Aaka Rasool Allah s.a.w.w ne farmaya, "A Ali a.s. me aur aap mumineen ke maa-baap he, beshaq mumineen (aapas me; eik doosre ke) bhai he, unke baap noor aur maa rehmat he, Hasan a.s. aur Hussain a.s. haq ke Imam he (jannt ke jawano ke sardaar he) chahe bethe (sulha kare) ya uthe (jihaad kare) aur in dono ke baap ALI a.s. INSE AFZAL HE." . Matlab ki Hasan a.s. aur Hussain a.s. Imam he aur Ali a.s. WASI he. Wasayat ka makaam Imamat se aala aur Nubuwat ka makaam wasayat se aala he. Yaani Nabi baap, Wasi yaani Maa, Aimma (plural of Imam) yaani aulaad.

The Quran (subhanallah) says that the wives of the prophet (saw) are the mothers of the mumineen and then the Quran goes on to say that the prophet (saw) is not your father. Hammered from two sides!! Looks like the Dawoodi Bohra Ismailiya Shia are in trouble.

[Hanif]

Aaka Rasool Allah s.a.w.w ne farmaya, "A Ali a.s. me aur aap mumineen ke maa-baap he, beshaq mumineen (aapas me; eik doosre ke) bhai he, unke baap noor aur maa rehmat he, Hasan a.s. aur Hussain a.s. haq ke Imam he (jannt ke jawano ke sardaar he) chahe bethe (sulha kare) ya uthe (jihaad kare) aur in dono ke baap ALI a.s. INSE AFZAL HE." . Matlab ki Hasan a.s. aur Hussain a.s. Imam he aur Ali a.s. WASI he. Wasayat ka makaam Imamat se aala aur Nubuwat ka makaam wasayat se aala he. Yaani Nabi baap, Wasi yaani Maa, Aimma (plural of Imam) yaani aulaad.

The Quran (subhanallah) says that the wives of the prophet (saw) are the mothers of the mumineen and then the Quran goes on to say that the prophet (saw) is not your father. Hammered from two sides!! Looks like the Dawoodi Bohra Ismailiya Shia are in trouble.

Brother Anajmi, Can you please quote the Suras wherein Allah SWT says the wives of the Prophet SAW are the mothers of Mumineen and that the Prophet SAW is not our father. Thanks.

[anajmi]

Ayah 33:6
النَّبِيُّ أَوْلَى بِالْمُؤْمِنِينَ مِنْ أَنفُسِهِمْ وَأَزْوَاجُهُ أُمَّهَاتُهُمْ وَأُوْلُو الْأَرْحَامِ بَعْضُهُمْ أَوْلَى بِبَعْضٍ فِي كِتَابِ اللَّهِ مِنَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ وَالْمُهَاجِرِينَ إِلَّا أَن تَفْعَلُوا إِلَى أَوْلِيَائِكُم مَّعْرُوفًا كَانَ ذَلِكَ فِي الْكِتَابِ مَسْطُورًا

Ayah 33:40
مَّا كَانَ مُحَمَّدٌ أَبَا أَحَدٍ مِّن رِّجَالِكُمْ وَلَكِن رَّسُولَ اللَّهِ وَخَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّينَ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمًا

[Hanif]

Please quote in English if you do not mind. Thanks

[Hanif]

Never mind. Got them. Thanks.

[sixfeetunder]

Ayah 33:6
النَّبِيُّ أَوْلَى بِالْمُؤْمِنِينَ مِنْ أَنفُسِهِمْ وَأَزْوَاجُهُ أُمَّهَاتُهُمْ وَأُوْلُو الْأَرْحَامِ بَعْضُهُمْ أَوْلَى بِبَعْضٍ فِي كِتَابِ اللَّهِ مِنَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ وَالْمُهَاجِرِينَ إِلَّا أَن تَفْعَلُوا إِلَى أَوْلِيَائِكُم مَّعْرُوفًا كَانَ ذَلِكَ فِي الْكِتَابِ مَسْطُورًا

Ayah 33:40
مَّا كَانَ مُحَمَّدٌ أَبَا أَحَدٍ مِّن رِّجَالِكُمْ وَلَكِن رَّسُولَ اللَّهِ وَخَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّينَ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمًا

The Prophet is closer to the Believers than their own selves, and his wives are their mothers. Blood-relations among each other have closer personal ties, in the Decree of Allah. Than (the Brotherhood of) Believers and Muhajirs: nevertheless do ye what is just to your closest friends: such is the writing in the Decree (of Allah).

"His wives are their mothers" has been mentioned to say "you should not marry his widows after him at any time" in verse 53 of this surah. There is no significance in it other than the fact that whatever is associated with the Holy Prophet is to be respected and honoured even if the thing or person possesses no merits of his own just like the "black stone" which was fixed by Ibrahim and Ismail in the house of Allah by His command.

[Yusufali 33:53] O ye who believe! Enter not the Prophet's houses,- until leave is given you,- for a meal, (and then) not (so early as) to wait for its preparation: but when ye are invited, enter; and when ye have taken your meal, disperse, without seeking familiar talk. Such (behaviour) annoys the Prophet: he is ashamed to dismiss you, but Allah is not ashamed (to tell you) the truth. And when ye ask (his ladies) for anything ye want, ask them from before a screen: that makes for greater purity for your hearts and for theirs. Nor is it right for you that ye should annoy Allah's Messenger, or that ye should marry his widows after him at any time. Truly such a thing is in Allah's sight an enormity.

[anajmi]

I have heard this explanation before and it is a cheap tactic to wiggle out of a sticky situation by the Shia.

Allah has commanded men not to marry many kinds of women in the Quran. Does he make them all your mothers too? Ofcourse not. Besides, was Allah afraid that people won't follow the "do not marry" command in 33:53 that he had to make them their mothers too? Also, the command to not marry is for all believers (Aamanu, which includes the hypocrites) and the ayah that makes them mothers is only for the mumineen.

Second, the Quran has made it clear that as far as marriage is concerned, made relationships are of no value. Consider the marriage of the prophet (saw) to the divorced wife of his adopted son. Why then would the Quran take a path that it itself invalidates? Hence the command making them the mothers of the mumineen cannot be for the prevention of marriage. That was precisely the reason why the command to prevent marriage was given separately.

33:4 NEVER has God endowed any man with two hearts in one body: and [just as] He has never made your wives whom you may have declared to be “as unlawful to you as your mothers’ bodies” [truly] your mothers, so, too, has He never made your adopted sons [truly] your sons: these are but [figures of] speech uttered by your mouths - whereas God speaks the [absolute] truth: and it is He alone who can show [you] the right path.

This is the ayah which invalidates the shia claim. This was a custom in pagan arabia that when a man says to his wife that she is like his mother, she would become haraam for her. God has invalidated this practice. So do you think that two ayahs later God would employ the exact same tactic for the wives of the prophet (saw)? God also says in this ayah that God speaks the truth. Hence, the wives of the prophet (saw) are not the mothers to prevent remarriage. But that is the truth!!

Here is another beautiful thing about this ayah (not related to the topic of this post) - Look at the first part

NEVER has God endowed any man with two hearts in one body

God talks only about "man" in this ayah (rajul). Are women an exception? Why?

[ghulam muhammed]

Bohras have problem in accepting the wives of Rasul Allah (s.a.w.) as "Ummul Mumineen" but dont mind addressing the wife of an ordinary dai with questionable conduct as such.......


"Syedi wa Maulaya Aliqadr Mufaddal bs Saifuddin Saheb TUS performed Ziyarat of Ummul Mumineen Amatullah Aaisaheba AQ in London"

http://www.zeninfosys.net/zi6/akhbar/hu ... ndon/17342

[Muslim First]

Picture no 11 tells all about Bohra religion.