3rd Dai of Satr, Sayyedna Hatim r.a. on "Masoom"

[zinger]

frog pesticide,

you forgot to add to your definition - Shia Fatemi Ismaili Tayyabi Dawoodi Bohra - 2 words which are most important, viz. Taheri Burhani. so the complete definition of your brand of beliefs should read: "Shia Fatemi Ismaili Tayyabi Dawoodi Taheri Burhani Bohra". this distinction has to be made because your beliefs over the last 2 syednas have undergone a radical change and significantly differ from the pristine beliefs of earlier 50 dai's.

now that we have correctly defined your beliefs, we can deal with your contention of their being the correct, genuine and rightful beliefs. in your twisted mind and misplaced understanding of islam, your "Shia Fatemi Ismaili Tayyabi Dawoodi Taheri Burhani Bohra" beliefs can only be justified by distorting, perverting, mutating and stretching the truths and principles of islam to 'manufacture' your beauty masks and hide your lying, cheating, ugly faces.

You are such a confused idiot. On some other threads you question the issue of Nass on Syedna Najmuddin(47th Dai) and 'like' posts slinging mud on this character and here you boast about the pristine beliefs of the 50 Dais. Get your stories right before posting. Idiot.

Boss, yeh to uski puraani aadat hain.

koi post jahan pe Dawoodi Bohra, ya apne Dai pe keechad uchala gaya hain, bahut accha hain, and he will rush to 'like' it

Uske ghatiya posts pe koi 'like' lagaaye toh aur bhi accha

Magar aapne agar kissi post ko 'like' kiya, jahan usse apni aukad dikhayi ho, then we all become besharam and crude to 'like' posts which are "vulgar". uske khud ke posts kitne ugly hain, that will be very conveniently overlooked.

[Adam]

Seems like we've reached the end of this Thread.

Syedna Hatim says:
Prophets, Imams and Duats are Ma'soom.
That is the Dawoodi Bohra belief.
And if Proggies claim to be Dawoodi Bohras, or respect Syedna Hatim, they should accept the above.

[porus]

Seems like we've reached the end of this Thread.

Syedna Hatim says:
Prophets, Imams and Duats are Ma'soom.
That is the Dawoodi Bohra belief.
And if Proggies claim to be Dawoodi Bohras, or respect Syedna Hatim, they should accept the above.

Please provide evidence in the form of an image of the relevant paragraph from Sayedna Hatim's "tanbeeh al-ghafileen". If possible, please provide the argument from Sayedna Hatim that justifies his assertion, especially with reference to the Quran.

[Al Zulfiqar]

kfc zinger,

there is no need to jump and thrash about as if you have found your 'eureka' moment. perhaps its a telling commentary on your pathetic abde amoeba life where the only excitement you get is when you get to do deedar of your slave masters and their parasitic kids.

in case you haven't noticed, the discussion here is on the so-called 'maasoomiyat' of the dai and the beliefs claimed by frog pesticide of the "Shia Fatemi Ismaili Tayyabi Dawoodi Taheri Burhani Bohras" in that particular context, i have pointed out that upto and including the 50th dai, atleast the principles and practices of our faith were not being tampered with in their fundamentals. which the last 2 dai's have overturned and thrown all semblance of respect to them out of the window and onto the garbage heap, where you normally wallow.

the issue of nass on the 47th is not the topic of discussion here and comprises a separate matter. as the reformists have taken great pains to point out, they are not raising that bone of contention and have not made that a part of their official platform for reforms. if any forum member has any opinions on this subject, from whichever side of the spectrum they belong, incl. myself, it is their own personal opinion. i hope you understand what democracy is all about, but its useless to hold out that hope, as abde fanatics like you have sold their souls and removed their brains from their skull cavities a long while ago.

no dai in the past has cliamed maasoomiyat for himself. taher saifuddin initially propagated the concept of 'kal masoom', and once that insidious thought took root in the gullible abde brains, he then very cleverly claimed full 'masoom' status for himself, inspite of having made serious moral and ethical transgressions in his conduct, lost court cases and claimed false victories.

that is the topic of debate here, not of nass or legitimacy. whatever their status on those grounds, the clock cannot be turned back. atleast let the dai lead the community in the correct and prescribed manner, morally, ethically, religiously and spiritually, as clearly outlined in the daim ul islam, where a 100 parameters are mentioned for a dai's selection and conduct.

for an immature and ignorant twit like you to comment on topics way beyond the understanding of your puny brain is an exercise in futility. do not ascribe to yourself an intelligence level you do not possess. all you can and should do is count the number of 'likes' and posts of members. that is all you are capable of, you fool.

[Rationalist]

Seems like we've reached the end of this Thread.

Syedna Hatim says:
Prophets, Imams and Duats are Ma'soom.
That is the Dawoodi Bohra belief.
And if Proggies claim to be Dawoodi Bohras, or respect Syedna Hatim, they should accept the above.

Please provide evidence in the form of an image of the relevant paragraph from Sayedna Hatim's "tanbeeh al-ghafileen". If possible, please provide the argument from Sayedna Hatim that justifies his assertion, especially with reference to the Quran.

How would you define infallibility? Does it mean that the 'infallible' Nabi, Imam or Dai can NEVER make mistakes? Not even a slightest mistake as misreading a text? Or does it confine to the circles of 'matters of faith and morals' as the status of the Pope.

[zinger]

Al Zulfiquar Janab,

Yeh forum aapki jaaydaat nahin hain.

If you cant take a beating, dont fight.

Agar aap keechad uchaalege toh aap bhi gande ho jaayenge.

This is what i was saying. Jab koi aap ki khabar leta hain, toh aap bekhabar ho jaate ho.

Now shoo.

[Bohra spring]

Yeh forum aapki jaaydaat nahin hain.

To kiski jaaydaat hain ye forum, koan iska kharcha dete he, kiska nam he website par , ?

Yeh bi aap logo zulm se kabja karoge jistara aap ka sultan ne ummat aur kaum ka zamin aur milkat par kabja kardiya

[zinger]

Are you mad?

Why would anyone want to bother taking over this site!

[Rationalist]

How about 'empirical evidence' for Dai's infallibility?
Prove his infallibility strictly by his actions.

[Al Zulfiqar]

kfc zinger,

by no stretch of imagination would any reformist worth his salt expect you not to participate in discussions here. in fact we welcome it.

you see, its the presence of retards like you that highlights the intellectual and just cause of the reformists. the shallowness, stupidity, hypocrisy and kufr displayed by abde idiots like yourself are a shining mirror which reflect on the poverty of rational thought and weakness of your shirk-filled faith that lends further ammunition to right thinking individuals.

you are a most valuable ass-et to this forum and your contributions are beyond measure. please pray continue. thanks.

[zinger]

do you by any chance get your kicks by seeing your own words swimming in front of you everytime?