Mutah
Re: Mutah
i hear fom some websites its allowed in tayyibi others claim qadhi numan forbid it
so what is the tayyibi stance on mutah?
doesnt quran surah nisaa verse 24 reveal about mutah as all sunnis agree on?
www.answering-ansar.org/.../mutah/en/index.php
i am reluctant to stay on ismailiyah because mutah isobviouisly halal but if imams forbid it it would mean our imams weere false imams
i would aprreciate help or answer from anyone
for some reason dawoodis always avoid my questions
so what is the tayyibi stance on mutah?
doesnt quran surah nisaa verse 24 reveal about mutah as all sunnis agree on?
www.answering-ansar.org/.../mutah/en/index.php
i am reluctant to stay on ismailiyah because mutah isobviouisly halal but if imams forbid it it would mean our imams weere false imams
i would aprreciate help or answer from anyone
for some reason dawoodis always avoid my questions
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not many bohra even know about mutah,but according to islamic sharia specially shia faith it looks mutah does exits and is valid for a muslim man.
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on what bases do these ismailis forbid it?incredible wrote:not many bohra even know about mutah,but according to islamic sharia specially shia faith it looks mutah does exits and is valid for a muslim man.
indeed this is irrefutible that its halal and many sahaba did it
even sunna agree it was once halal
that means qadhi numan was a Innovater and so were the Fatimi imams if they forbid it or claimed it never was halal
i also dont see why the imam of fatimites couldnt make ismaili law instead of getting this noman to borrow from twelver hadiths and mxing it with maliki fiqh
this ''small''issue would prove ismailism to be Batil ,i am Sad to say
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anajmi wrote:mutah is prostitution in disguise. A form of zina covered up under legal tender. The only reason for mutah is sex. Anyone who says mutah is halal is a sinner.
many sahaba did mutah was they all sinner?
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anajmi wrote:Please be specific. Which sahaba did mutah and when. Please post references.
read this here is your reply
http://www.answering-ansar.org/answers/ ... chap10.php
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so muhammad allowed prostitution?anajmi wrote:mutah is prostitution in disguise. A form of zina covered up under legal tender. The only reason for mutah is sex. Anyone who says mutah is halal is a sinner.
Quran Surah nisaa is the Evidence for Mutah its in quran and a hadith can never out rule a quranic order
your tafsir scholars agree surah nisaa ayaat 24 is for mutah
ibn zubayr was product of mutah with asma bint umays his mom
he hated mutah
so ibn abbas told him go to your mother and Ask how u were conceived
he went and she told him he was product of mutah
ibn Al-mutah
even after umar forbid it c0z his daughter did it and eh got angry
abdulah ibn umar upheld it and condemned that his father is not nabi muhamamd to make halal haram
many sahaba did it read the article incredible posted
the claim ali forbid it was on part of the Zaydi narrater in a A3mm (sunni-common)environment
Out of Taqiyah the narrater narrated this
its all in the article .......
zayd bin ali beleived in it i think qazi numan quoted a hadith from a zaydi source so he was confused to was it halal or haram
SOME contemperary dai's complained to Imam that qadhi numan should re eveluate his Fiqh a bit
rememmber numani fiqh is mostly based on Twelver hadiths from imam al-sadiq and imam Al-baqir
BUT also from soem Zaydi hadith books
this is a Fact
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Al-Uqul wrote:so muhammad allowed prostitution?anajmi wrote:mutah is prostitution in disguise. A form of zina covered up under legal tender. The only reason for mutah is sex. Anyone who says mutah is halal is a sinner.
Quran Surah nisaa is the Evidence for Mutah its in quran and a hadith can never out rule a quranic order
your tafsir scholars agree surah nisaa ayaat 24 is for mutah
ibn zubayr was product of mutah with asma bint umays his mom
he hated mutah
so ibn abbas told him go to your mother and Ask how u were conceived
he went and she told him he was product of mutah
ibn Al-mutah
even after umar forbid it c0z his daughter did it and eh got angry
abdulah ibn umar upheld it and condemned that his father is not nabi muhamamd to make halal haram
many sahaba did it read the article incredible posted
the claim ali forbid it was on part of the Zaydi narrater in a A3mm environment
zayd bin ali beleived in it i think qazi numan quoted a hadith from a zaydi source so he was confused to was it halal or haram
SOME contemperary dai's complained to Imam that qadhi numan should re eveluate his Fiqh a bit
rememmber numani fiqh is mostly based on Twelver hadiths from imam al-sadiq and imam Al-baqir
BUT also from soem Zaydi hadith books
this is a Fact
I guess you are not a muslim,but any ways Muhammed(saW) never allowed any kind of prostitution,nikah is a contract marriage for no limit of time,while mutah is contract marriage for decided time.
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Questions to Al-Uqul:
1. Married or unmarried – can both type of men and women perform Mutah?
2. If married man can seeks infinite number of women for Mutah then by same token married women should also be allowed to do Mutah with whomsoever she pleases for infinite number of times?
3. How will you feel if your dada, dadi, nana, nani, father, mother, sister, wife, son and daughter performs Mutah multiple times a day with sometime new and sometime old partners - per u it is halal?
Thanks,
1. Married or unmarried – can both type of men and women perform Mutah?
2. If married man can seeks infinite number of women for Mutah then by same token married women should also be allowed to do Mutah with whomsoever she pleases for infinite number of times?
3. How will you feel if your dada, dadi, nana, nani, father, mother, sister, wife, son and daughter performs Mutah multiple times a day with sometime new and sometime old partners - per u it is halal?
Thanks,
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i woudleve stayed on 12er if i wanted 2 do mutahHumsafar wrote:Mutah is the only thing that attracts Al-Uqul to shia islam. And I can undertand why.
but im interested in Haqq something u cant understand as atheist
mutah is a virtue nd reward
http://www.mutah.com/2bewithdatruthful.htm
and if ismaili islam forbids it it is false
because christianity has truth in it too but since theres even a 1 % of falsehood
it is not a true religion
just example
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Al Uqul,Mubarak wrote:Questions to Al-Uqul:
1. Married or unmarried – can both type of men and women perform Mutah?
2. If married man can seeks infinite number of women for Mutah then by same token married women should also be allowed to do Mutah with whomsoever she pleases for infinite number of times?
3. How will you feel if your dada, dadi, nana, nani, father, mother, sister, wife, son and daughter performs Mutah multiple times a day with sometime new and sometime old partners - per u it is halal?
Thanks,
Curiously waiting for your replies on above
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Questions to Al-Uqul:
1. Married or unmarried – can both type of men and women perform Mutah?
A: married man can in need and permission of his wife
2. If married man can seeks infinite number of women for Mutah then by same token married women should also be allowed to do Mutah with whomsoever she pleases for infinite number of times?
A:no she should not this leads to confusion of lineage,and womans mental-emotional structure is diffrent form a man
hatum is a myth created by some atheist on this site,this is haram and quran forbids women have more then one husband at same time
3. How will you feel if your dada, dadi, nana, nani, father, mother, sister, wife, son and daughter performs Mutah multiple times a day with sometime new and sometime old partners - per u it is halal?
well a woman must Wait the i3ddah period wich is 3 months and or 45 days depending is shes muslim or ahli kitab and i dont know the fiqhi details wich
i would rush to give my daughter and or sister or mother in mutah if it was a certain man and that is hazret Abu Lu3 lu3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu-Lu'lu'ah
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirouz_Nahavandi
but u must wait iddah period
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iddah
a woman following the laws of mutah could have total only 6 clients in a year if she was a prostitute under mutah
if she doesnt wait the iddah period shes doing zinah
she would go bankrupt.lo00ol!!!!!!!!!!
the claim mutah =prostitution is thus shattered and destroyed
Haqq always shatters Batil
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1. Married or unmarried – can both type of men and women perform Mutah?
A: married man can in need and permission of his wife
2. If married man can seeks infinite number of women for Mutah then by same token married women should also be allowed to do Mutah with whomsoever she pleases for infinite number of times?
A:no she should not this leads to confusion of lineage,and womans mental-emotional structure is diffrent form a man
hatum is a myth created by some atheist on this site,this is haram and quran forbids women have more then one husband at same time
3. How will you feel if your dada, dadi, nana, nani, father, mother, sister, wife, son and daughter performs Mutah multiple times a day with sometime new and sometime old partners - per u it is halal?
well a woman must Wait the i3ddah period wich is 3 months and or 45 days depending is shes muslim or ahli kitab and i dont know the fiqhi details wich
i would rush to give my daughter and or sister or mother in mutah if it was a certain man and that is hazret Abu Lu3 lu3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu-Lu'lu'ah
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirouz_Nahavandi
but u must wait iddah period
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iddah
a woman following the laws of mutah could have total only 6 clients in a year if she was a prostitute under mutah
if she doesnt wait the iddah period shes doing zinah
she would go bankrupt.lo00ol!!!!!!!!!!
the claim mutah =prostitution is thus shattered and destroyed
Haqq always shatters Batil
Thanks,[/quote]
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This is from answering ansar. This is the kind of crap that shias believe in. This is like saying that if Allah had legalized gambling and drinking, no one would be following shaitan. Beautiful!!!Abdulrazaq - Ibn Juraij - Atta said: ‘…Then Atta said: ‘I heard Ibn Abbas saying: ‘May Allah's mercy be upon Umar, Mut’ah was permitted by Allah as a mercy for Muhammad's nation, had he not prohibited it, no one would be in need of fornication except the pervert one’.
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In shia land there instead of red light areas we will have mutah light areas. You call the madam and the girl arrives at your door with a one night marriage certificate. All you gotta do is sign and pay. Arabs in Dubai should convert to shiaism.
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incredible,
I went through about a quarter of the link you posted and wasn't able to find the name of a single sahaba who actually claims to have committed mutah. The entire discussion till that point is about who banned mutah. Unfortunately, I do not have the time to go through the entire link. So please copy and paste the names of the sahaba who did mutah.
Thanks for your help.
I went through about a quarter of the link you posted and wasn't able to find the name of a single sahaba who actually claims to have committed mutah. The entire discussion till that point is about who banned mutah. Unfortunately, I do not have the time to go through the entire link. So please copy and paste the names of the sahaba who did mutah.
Thanks for your help.
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Found this hadith, which I dismiss as a fabrication.
“Yaqoob bin Sufyan - Amr bin Asim – Hamaam – Qatadah - Abi Nadhra said: ‘I said to Jabir bin Abdullah that Ibn Abbas permits Mut’ah while Ibn al-Zubair prohibits it. He (Jabir) replied: ‘It is through me that this hadith has been circulated, I performed Mut’ah along with Allah's Messenger (pbuh) and a verse was revealed regarding it but then when Umar bin al-Khatab become the caliph, he addressed the people and said: ‘The Quran is the same Quran, the apostle is the same apostle, and there existed two types of Mut’ah at the time of Allah's apostle, I forbid both and will punish whoever performs them, one is the Mut’ah of Hajj, surely you have to separate your Hajj from your Umra, and the other is Mut’ah al-Nisa, if I catch any person who is married for an appointed duration (Mut'a), I will certainly stone him (to death).”
“Yaqoob bin Sufyan - Amr bin Asim – Hamaam – Qatadah - Abi Nadhra said: ‘I said to Jabir bin Abdullah that Ibn Abbas permits Mut’ah while Ibn al-Zubair prohibits it. He (Jabir) replied: ‘It is through me that this hadith has been circulated, I performed Mut’ah along with Allah's Messenger (pbuh) and a verse was revealed regarding it but then when Umar bin al-Khatab become the caliph, he addressed the people and said: ‘The Quran is the same Quran, the apostle is the same apostle, and there existed two types of Mut’ah at the time of Allah's apostle, I forbid both and will punish whoever performs them, one is the Mut’ah of Hajj, surely you have to separate your Hajj from your Umra, and the other is Mut’ah al-Nisa, if I catch any person who is married for an appointed duration (Mut'a), I will certainly stone him (to death).”
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So every time a woman participates in mutah, she has to go through iddat before she can do mutah again? That would mean that a woman can do around 3 mutahs every year, right?well a woman must Wait the i3ddah period wich is 3 months and or 45 days depending is shes muslim or ahli kitab and i dont know the fiqhi details wich
Do shias actually believe in this filth? Aren't you guys ashamed of yourselves?
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Some calculation issues in my previous post. Considering the iddat periods mentioned, a shia woman will be able to mutahnicate either 4 or 8 times a year. Which would also mean that she is sitting in iddat for over 9 months ever year. There would come a time when all shia women will be in iddat for a few months? Where do the men go to mutahnicate then? And to complicate things, what would happen if these women got pregnant?
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anajmi wrote:No he did not. Mutah was not allowed. Shia hadiths allowing mutah are fabrications created to legalize prostitution.so muhammad allowed prostitution?
i have real;ized you are a dumbass
not interested in truth
but here to ridicue allahs deen
i dobt ur even a Salafi sicne they acknowledge it was allowed
the hadiths they sue Are always and only from SUNNI sources of the sahih sitta
its a site to convert sunnis to shaism of course they dont use shia hadiths!
read the article!
even the sunni meccan ulama beleived in it after umar forbid it!
according to sunni ulama themselves
read the article
or leave this forum
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anajmi wrote:Some calculation issues in my previous post. Considering the iddat periods mentioned, a shia woman will be able to mutahnicate either 4 or 8 times a year. Which would also mean that she is sitting in iddat for over 9 months ever year. There would come a time when all shia women will be in iddat for a few months? Where do the men go to mutahnicate then? And to complicate things, what would happen if these women got pregnant?
Well we do it with Ahli al kitab(jew,christian,zoroastrian)
since most shia women have a dislike for mutah.......
in fact i know some iraqi brothers that been around in iran,lebanon and australia and syria
oen particular brother,well he was a Attractive peice
so some girl in Hijab begged him to sleep with ehr and kiss me kiss me do u .love me?
(ive experienced this sexual advance too from hijabi's sisters 2.lo00ol)
and he said lets make mutah'''
she got angry and saw it as an insult!!!!!!!
many story with guys these girls do zina but are insuklted at mutah
and the shia girls especially iraqi sisters complain and gossip to em bout how the iraqi guys are all getting with blond women
Well duh !!!!
atleast the kitabiya's will have mutah with us.lo00ol!
this is what culture has done to us
we accuse allah of allowing prostituion
in fact its Recommended and actuelly discouraged to do it with muslim women who are virgins
We need the permission of Wali(guardian)of the woman each time we do it
if they forbid it we cant do it
this inclusive ahli kitab and muslimas
some mullahs/mujtahids today all differ on these fiqhi requirements ,some more liberal then others on the conditions
but if you look at Hadiths of masoumeen it proves what i say
i myself Contracted mutah with my kitabiya Gf long ago
so i have no need to do it anymore as humsafar claims
been there done that
and we must pay Dowry and get permisison of Wali of the gurl
the dowry can be a handfull of Dates per hadith of imam jafar assadiq(SWS)
the point is muslim youth are having sex and morals out the window
sunnis must accept this solution today
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anajmi wrote:So every time a woman participates in mutah, she has to go through iddat before she can do mutah again? That would mean that a woman can do around 3 mutahs every year, right?well a woman must Wait the i3ddah period wich is 3 months and or 45 days depending is shes muslim or ahli kitab and i dont know the fiqhi details wich
Do shias actually believe in this filth? Aren't you guys ashamed of yourselves?
Yes she must follow the I3ddah period at all times and have permision of wali
well sunnsi ebelive in misyar marriage
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikah_Misyar
a deception
atleast were honest and say ''look this is temporary it can turn into permanent marriage but u know it''
so the woman is emotionally prepared for the separation
unlike the misyar marriages
http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index.cf ... 9091249638
wich trick woman into permanant relationship and commitment and then u dump her!
we feel just as much shame as the sahaba who did it when muhamamd Ordered them to do it
notice the hadiths of sunna say muhamad ordered us(Amrana)not let us do mutah
http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/
chapter 6 talks about mutah
REMEMBER THSe USES ONLY SUNNI SOURCES
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anajmi wrote:This is from answering ansar. This is the kind of crap that shias believe in. This is like saying that if Allah had legalized gambling and drinking, no one would be following shaitan. Beautiful!!!Abdulrazaq - Ibn Juraij - Atta said: ‘…Then Atta said: ‘I heard Ibn Abbas saying: ‘May Allah's mercy be upon Umar, Mut’ah was permitted by Allah as a mercy for Muhammad's nation, had he not prohibited it, no one would be in need of fornication except the pervert one’.
no because we would have no Sexual Frustration like we have today
Brother u urself masturbate on a Regurlar bases.............
so do all the guys on this forum
but 12er Jafari shia we just go a freind or woman who want relation with us and we tell ehr about mutah
in fact soem people became muslim coz mutah was chance to share deen with them
lets eb honest today even some(not all)hijabi woman are doing zina
ive seen it myself
and ive been invited to do such sexual filth with hijabiyas by them
this is due to they cannot get married young as old days when economics and the west didnt enforce their lifestyle on us
but mutah is solution to social ills
opakistan my freind is the number oen palce were the word ''porn''and sex''are searched
a muslim country shockingly with one of the highest sexual crimes Rates the world over
this is comapred with iran where this is low and we can go to qom when we need a woman to do mutah with
http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php ... rostitute/
though the mujtahids allow ,the iamams (as.0Forbid it
it we may not do it with a woman known for zina among the people
http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php ... rostitute/
but nevertheless mutah woman are readily available for us
allw e need is the permisison of their Wali and if they do it with su and they dont follow i3ddah ruels the sin is on them not us
because once a man did Mutah with married woman
and he didnt find out she was married until afterwards
he came to ali al-ridha the twelver imam
and ali al-ridha Said :why did u Even Ask?
because were not allowed to be suspiciouis of woman and we must accept them as truthfull
when they say there single
http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/pr ... n_holy_men
She Found Prostitution Among Iran's Holy Men
though wrong and theyre completely violating the Laws of nikah al-mutah
it still shows that mutah is available and men are satisfied
in fact its a sociological fact that if theyre werent any prostitues or women giving their sex services up
Rape would be unleashed
so they have a use in society just as the Garbage man (imagine if there werre no garbage men!)
thoguh we underestimate their use and degrade them
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i dont agree with this site on most stuff
ista western phenemonon and muslims are hwowver slowly getting the same ills
http://www.nomarriage.com/
many men dont want to marry today especially when wives cheat,and 90 % of relationships in the west are based on lies and Masks
wives usualy cheat because the man usually is a asshole and refuses to Follow the sunnah of Nabina Muhamamd(sws)of tenderness and emotional support to their wives.....
but this has made many Men not wanna marry even in muslim world i hear it from arabs i know all the time
even some freinds once said marriage would ruin his life and its a deal between family and nothing else in his opinion
This guy was ultra-Religiouis Yani its even hiiting them
with world changing like this we must fit these new ways into The Shari3at of allah
and mutah will control this sexual craziness in a Healthy flow and orginization
many western philosphers scholars such as the greatest british philospher '' Russel''' have argued mutah is a solution for society in the west
Inshaallah in my luch break ill post these excerps and studies inshAllah
ista western phenemonon and muslims are hwowver slowly getting the same ills
http://www.nomarriage.com/
many men dont want to marry today especially when wives cheat,and 90 % of relationships in the west are based on lies and Masks
wives usualy cheat because the man usually is a asshole and refuses to Follow the sunnah of Nabina Muhamamd(sws)of tenderness and emotional support to their wives.....
but this has made many Men not wanna marry even in muslim world i hear it from arabs i know all the time
even some freinds once said marriage would ruin his life and its a deal between family and nothing else in his opinion
This guy was ultra-Religiouis Yani its even hiiting them
with world changing like this we must fit these new ways into The Shari3at of allah
and mutah will control this sexual craziness in a Healthy flow and orginization
many western philosphers scholars such as the greatest british philospher '' Russel''' have argued mutah is a solution for society in the west
Inshaallah in my luch break ill post these excerps and studies inshAllah
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AAAl Aqul
Brother u urself masturbate on a Regurlar bases.............
so do all the guys on this forum
You are ASSuming lot of things and making an ASS of yourself. Please do not speak or assume for other people of this forum
speak for yourself.