As gormless as you are, you must have drifted into an ithna ashari majlisAl Zulfiqar wrote:muiz,
people form circles and groups and beat themselves silly until they bleed, they use chains with sharp objects which they swing violently around themselves inflicting sharp cuts and gashes on themselves.
Either you are unaware or are pretending to be so. I and many others on this forum have seen bohras doing zanjeer ka matam in the sehan of saifi masjid, husaini masjid and qutbi masjid some 20 years back and one can still see bohras oozing out blood from their bodies during the alam procession of shias during mohurrum.profastian wrote:As gormless as you are, you must have drifted into an ithna ashari majlis
ghulam muhammed wrote:Either you are unaware or are pretending to be so. I and many others on this forum have seen bohras doing zanjeer ka matam in the sehan of saifi masjid, husaini masjid and qutbi masjid some 20 years back and one can still see bohras oozing out blood from their bodies during the alam procession of shias during mohurrum.profastian wrote:As gormless as you are, you must have drifted into an ithna ashari majlis
Bro Al-Muizz,Al-Muizz wrote: Imam ZainulAbideen A.S. was the first leader who did show us the importance of maatam for remembering Karbala.
you will get your reply when you get your head out of the sand and the sand out of your eyes..murtaza2152 wrote:
As you are Dawoodi Bohra, may i know whats wrong in making circle and doing matam?
ghulam muhammed wrote:Bro Al-Muizz,Al-Muizz wrote: Imam ZainulAbideen A.S. was the first leader who did show us the importance of maatam for remembering Karbala.
Could you show some evidence from any authentic Islamic literature wherein it is proved that Imam Ali Zainul Abedeen (a.s.) or any Ahle-Bayt performed matam, least of all instruct their followers to stand in circles and do matam rhythmetically or organise 100 hours matam marathons or instruct their followers to do matam after every fard namaz, on every occassion whether it be a birthday or marriage celebrations ? There is a beautiful article posted by a bohra somewhere on this forum on the journey from Karbala to Madina and nowhere is there any mention of matam at all.
Bro Al-Muizz,Al-Muizz wrote:The Imam AS mourned Ashura, and maatam is mourning.
ghulam muhammed wrote:Either you are unaware or are pretending to be so. I and many others on this forum have seen bohras doing zanjeer ka matam in the sehan of saifi masjid, husaini masjid and qutbi masjid some 20 years back and one can still see bohras oozing out blood from their bodies during the alam procession of shias during mohurrum.profastian wrote:As gormless as you are, you must have drifted into an ithna ashari majlis
joker zulfiAl Zulfiqar wrote:bro gm,
its useless asking such intelligent questions to shia fanatics who have reduced the entire shia beliefs and philosophy to this base level: that maatam is the cornerstone or "the basis of our shia ismaili philosophy"
so without chest beating and self flagellation, shiasm cannot exist??? is it as shallow as that??!!
The greatest comedy which even overshadows shakespeare's 'comedy of errors' is the sight of abdes grouping themselves in circles and beating chests rhythmetically much like the junior artistes of farah khan's dance numbers, the sudden awakening of the abdes from their deep sleep on hearing the deafening sound of ya hussain and then like a programmed robot beating their chests without being aware of the bayan which was recited seconds ago as they were busy snoozing till the amil woke them up and then crying or if it is difficult to do so at the spur of the moment (which is really difficult) then 'rova jeevu muh banavo'.labbaikyaHussain wrote:joker zulfi
you are so low life that u wont understand importance of matam on Imam Hussain...better dont use ur pea brain and just entertain us as u are doing from years on this forum.we really appreciate your comedy
Al Zulfiqar wrote:labbaik,
the greatest comedy, as decribed by bro gm, is the bohra maatam. atleast the other shias are sincere about it, the bohras are all hypocrites and eagerly waiting for the niyaaz, when all their false show of mourning and crocodile tears suddenly vanish and their beady eyes scout around for the best thaal, the best piece of meat in the bowl, how to cunningly swipe the gurda and nalli from the guy sitting next to you, how to monopolise the chamchi while the bowls are being filled so you have first chance to corner all the gosht, how to catch the eye of your bosom buddy who is roaming around with the jaman and ask him for sly seconds, how to manouevre so that your clothes are not subject to soiling and staining, your neighbour be damned. etc.
shahadat bayan my foot! over 50% backbenchers are sound asleep with the crap and monotony, they wake up in fits and starts, half expecting that the torture is over, but slide back into a sonorous snooze only to be startled at the next tsunami of shouts and frantic mayhem!
where is the gham of hussain and his family slaughtered in the hot sands of kerbala, without food and water for 4 days, while bohra abdes devour kharaas, mithaas and labrez jaman??!! would you salivate and hog if your parents had died??
hypocrites and rascals all.
Al Zulfiqar wrote:labbaik,
the greatest comedy, as decribed by bro gm, is the bohra maatam. atleast the other shias are sincere about it, the bohras are all hypocrites and eagerly waiting for the niyaaz, when all their false show of mourning and crocodile tears suddenly vanish and their beady eyes scout around for the best thaal, the best piece of meat in the bowl, how to cunningly swipe the gurda and nalli from the guy sitting next to you, how to monopolise the chamchi while the bowls are being filled so you have first chance to corner all the gosht, how to catch the eye of your bosom buddy who is roaming around with the jaman and ask him for sly seconds, how to manouevre so that your clothes are not subject to soiling and staining, your neighbour be damned. etc.
shahadat bayan my foot! over 50% backbenchers are sound asleep with the crap and monotony, they wake up in fits and starts, half expecting that the torture is over, but slide back into a sonorous snooze only to be startled at the next tsunami of shouts and frantic mayhem!
where is the gham of hussain and his family slaughtered in the hot sands of kerbala, without food and water for 4 days, while bohra abdes devour kharaas, mithaas and labrez jaman??!! would you salivate and hog if your parents had died??
hypocrites and rascals all.
Yes, there is some truth in that. But again you are generalizing. There is only a small percentage which do this and which is expected. Not everyone's Waliyat and iman are at the same level. Come and sit sometime in the masjid (not the sahan) and you will see what gam e husaain is.Al Zulfiqar wrote:labbaik,
the greatest comedy, as decribed by bro gm, is the bohra maatam. atleast the other shias are sincere about it, the bohras are all hypocrites and eagerly waiting for the niyaaz, when all their false show of mourning and crocodile tears suddenly vanish and their beady eyes scout around for the best thaal, the best piece of meat in the bowl, how to cunningly swipe the gurda and nalli from the guy sitting next to you, how to monopolise the chamchi while the bowls are being filled so you have first chance to corner all the gosht, how to catch the eye of your bosom buddy who is roaming around with the jaman and ask him for sly seconds, how to manouevre so that your clothes are not subject to soiling and staining, your neighbour be damned. etc.
shahadat bayan my foot! over 50% backbenchers are sound asleep with the crap and monotony, they wake up in fits and starts, half expecting that the torture is over, but slide back into a sonorous snooze only to be startled at the next tsunami of shouts and frantic mayhem!
where is the gham of hussain and his family slaughtered in the hot sands of kerbala, without food and water for 4 days, while bohra abdes devour kharaas, mithaas and labrez jaman??!! would you salivate and hog if your parents had died??
hypocrites and rascals all.
ghulam muhammed wrote:Bro Al-Muizz,Al-Muizz wrote: Imam ZainulAbideen A.S. was the first leader who did show us the importance of maatam for remembering Karbala.
Could you show some evidence from any authentic Islamic literature wherein it is proved that Imam Ali Zainul Abedeen (a.s.) or any Ahle-Bayt performed matam, least of all instruct their followers to stand in circles and do matam rhythmetically or organise 100 hours matam marathons or instruct their followers to do matam after every fard namaz, on every occassion whether it be a birthday or marriage celebrations ? There is a beautiful article posted by a bohra somewhere on this forum on the journey from Karbala to Madina and nowhere is there any mention of matam at all.
have you ever been to twelevers majlis. U can easily see, While matam and majlis goin on, they do not hesitate to smoke ciggeretes outside and In very next minute they will join matam and vice versa.Al Zulfiqar wrote:labbaik,
the greatest comedy, as decribed by bro gm, is the bohra maatam. atleast the other shias are sincere about it, the bohras are all hypocrites and eagerly waiting for the niyaaz, when all their false show of mourning and crocodile tears suddenly vanish and their beady eyes scout around for the best thaal, the best piece of meat in the bowl, how to cunningly swipe the gurda and nalli from the guy sitting next to you, how to monopolise the chamchi while the bowls are being filled so you have first chance to corner all the gosht, how to catch the eye of your bosom buddy who is roaming around with the jaman and ask him for sly seconds, how to manouevre so that your clothes are not subject to soiling and staining, your neighbour be damned. etc.
shahadat bayan my foot! over 50% backbenchers are sound asleep with the crap and monotony, they wake up in fits and starts, half expecting that the torture is over, but slide back into a sonorous snooze only to be startled at the next tsunami of shouts and frantic mayhem!
where is the gham of hussain and his family slaughtered in the hot sands of kerbala, without food and water for 4 days, while bohra abdes devour kharaas, mithaas and labrez jaman ??!! would you salivate and hog if your parents had died??
hypocrites and rascals all.
My dear, you are preaching here that abdes are making fun of muharram and ol and etc..Ok.. i agree with u..fine.correct.Al Zulfiqar wrote:stranger,
if you can ask such a silly, rhetorical question after having read the entire thread, then i am sorry to say, i have serious doubts about your common-sense.
Al Zulfiqar wrote:labbaik,
the greatest comedy, as decribed by bro gm, is the bohra maatam. atleast the other shias are sincere about it, the bohras are all hypocrites and eagerly waiting for the niyaaz, when all their false show of mourning and crocodile tears suddenly vanish and their beady eyes scout around for the best thaal, the best piece of meat in the bowl, how to cunningly swipe the gurda and nalli from the guy sitting next to you, how to monopolise the chamchi while the bowls are being filled so you have first chance to corner all the gosht, how to catch the eye of your bosom buddy who is roaming around with the jaman and ask him for sly seconds, how to manouevre so that your clothes are not subject to soiling and staining, your neighbour be damned. etc.
shahadat bayan my foot! over 50% backbenchers are sound asleep with the crap and monotony, they wake up in fits and starts, half expecting that the torture is over, but slide back into a sonorous snooze only to be startled at the next tsunami of shouts and frantic mayhem!
where is the gham of hussain and his family slaughtered in the hot sands of kerbala, without food and water for 4 days, while bohra abdes devour kharaas, mithaas and labrez jaman??!! would you salivate and hog if your parents had died??
hypocrites and rascals all.
Al Zulfiqar wrote:labbaik,
where is the gham of hussain and his family slaughtered in the hot sands of kerbala, without food and water for 4 days, while bohra abdes devour kharaas, mithaas and labrez jaman??!! would you salivate and hog if your parents had died??
hypocrites and rascals all.
what does YOUR common sense say about how someone should express gham for the shohoda?? by dancing in circles and making a tamasha, yelling, jumping, making exaggerated gestures to show one's passion and devotion, how militant and macho one can be in one's junoon? all this orchestrated by daras trained ringmasters, who have been instructed to manipulate and inflame your emotions and then link it with slavery to dai?stranger wrote:
Now i just asked a simple question to you, tell us what is the right way to observe muharram a/c to you then ?
If u r deciding and stating something as 'wrong' then u must be knowing what will be the 'right' ..Isnt it ?
please enligten Us.
well said kafir!! is this the b.s. they teach you in the secret sabaks????Al-Muizz wrote:
Imam Husayn A.S. did NOT choose to go hungry, and thirsty!
Al Zulfiqar wrote:what does YOUR common sense say about how someone should express gham for the shohoda?? by dancing in circles and making a tamasha, yelling, jumping, making exaggerated gestures to show one's passion and devotion, how militant and macho one can be in one's junoon? all this orchestrated by daras trained ringmasters, who have been instructed to manipulate and inflame your emotions and then link it with slavery to dai?stranger wrote:
Now i just asked a simple question to you, tell us what is the right way to observe muharram a/c to you then ?
If u r deciding and stating something as 'wrong' then u must be knowing what will be the 'right' ..Isnt it ?
please enligten Us.
the problem with abdes like you is that you have no awareness of our history or how our dai's and bohras conducted themselves with dignity and restraint up until the 50th. its your ignorance and brainwashing which makes you ask such stupid questions. it is sad to see young sabak indoctrinated fools professing ilm when unbeknownst to them they are the actual jaahil ignorants.
your paucity of common-sense and poverty of intellect does not compel me to explain anything to you, an immature fool who has nothing positive to contribute. come back and ask more worthy questions after you have grown up, say after another 10-15 years?stranger wrote:
Now stop repeating it and answer my simple question : what should one do accrdng to you ?
cummon buddy, i am giving you chance to contribute something positive from v.best of ur thinking.