5 things you didn’t know about Islam and Europe

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qutub_mamajiwala
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Re: 5 things you didn’t know about Islam and Europe

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Wed Apr 27, 2016 5:39 am

no society or country is perfect.
there are mischievious and bad things happening in every society and country, not now but from many centuries.
but dwelling on such instances with ur pre-concieved notions of victimhood doesnt make any society gud or bad.
what is exactly does is make u communal which ur so bend on labelling others and re-inforces their muslim pre-judice and phobia.
even in good old khilafate rashedeen which salafist harp on as perfect muslim society, there was chaos in uthman times otherwise we would not had such shchisms in muslim now.
if u want perfect ideal society, make to strive one or create muslim country in india(for better or for worse--more for worse) or migrate to perfect muslim society of caliphate baghdadi

would u acknowledge bohras are persecuted in saudi and coz SMB was denied visa--NO coz ur thinking aligns with their thinking of doing shirk and other rituals.

so this persecution and intolerance has to be seen without ur pre-concieved blinkers and thinking
women here roam more freely in burqa than in us --but that does not make US intolerant or india more liberal.
same way SMS can hold his tamasha freely on road.
and some stupid muslim clergy can issue stupid fatwa and hold rally demanding someones head freely on road, but when reaction comes to it, there is shouting of intolerance and victimisation.

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Re: 5 things you didn’t know about Islam and Europe

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Wed Apr 27, 2016 6:50 am

when muslim majority in malda gave fatwa to organize and riot -hundreds of hindus were persecuted , their shop burned down, even police chowky burned down all in the name of beheading one person who is already put in jail by ur fascist govt over alleged abuse(btw gay is not abuse according to liberal US and secular india).
but if army is called--then oh it is state opression of muslims.
many province in bengal have muslim majority and see what happens there. dictat are issued prohibiting hindu festivals coz it coincides with muslim festival.
same is case in muslim majority province in kerala--fatwas are issued to close schools on friday instead of sunday to observe jumma prayer. these also to secular schools and those not falling in line are told to leave by force. but communist and ur congess govt allows it ---OH because it is politics. and not religion. these govt are secular and not fascist and india is plural society as said by one of u here.
but if it is done by other govt--it is fascist govt trying to impose its fascist agenda.
same thing happend in kashmir with hindu persecution, with call given to leave for males but leave aside their females to rape by jihadi terrorist -- but wait it is politics--dont bring religion into it.
so sometimes it is religion, other times it is politics as per whichever is convinient

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Re: 5 things you didn’t know about Islam and Europe

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Unread post by SBM » Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:15 am

Ok Shri Qutub Mamajiwala ji
Now are you going to blame Muslims for this and this is the definition of your tolerant Half Chaddi Sewaks
https://www.yahoo.com/news/indian-polic ... 58168.html

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Re: 5 things you didn’t know about Islam and Europe

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Unread post by anajmi » Thu Apr 28, 2016 11:55 pm

If we let half chaddi sympathizers dictate what muslims should and should not do, all muslims will turn into the bohras who were offering flowers to the hindu idols. It is quite apparent that this guy is a muslim hater and a half chaddi sympathizer. We had these muslim and islam hating munafiqs back during the time of the prophet (saw) as well. Infact, they are the ones who were primarily responsible for the problems that happened during the time of Hazrat Uthman and later for the divisions that happened in the Muslim Ummah. They pretended to be muslims, but blamed the muslims and Islam for everything.

Infact, I believe that the muslims should give more reason to these half chaddi sympathizers to hate them. This will mean that we are on the right path and it is becoming unbearable for the muslim haters and half chaddi sympathizers!! Quran guarantees victory to the muslims in the end. These haters are going to loose.

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Sun May 01, 2016 3:40 am

going to loose?
already are on loosing side.
what with tafkiri jamaat annihilating and wiping out everybody.
that also in the name of islam.
btw prophet never told to wage war on kafir, if they allow muslims to follow thier religion--that is pray and fast and so on.
he even did treaty of hudabiyah for this.
it is only when mushrik dont allow muslims to follow their religion--war was prescirbed.
in his 10 yrs of life in power--prophet only waged war when they were not allowed to follow thier religion.
so if u have any muslim hating--that is china who is not allowing to pray, keep burqa, beard fast--and who is bed fellow of ur favourite nation.
so much for hypocirsy

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Re: 5 things you didn’t know about Islam and Europe

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Sun May 01, 2016 3:43 am

SBM wrote:Ok Shri Qutub Mamajiwala ji
Now are you going to blame Muslims for this and this is the definition of your tolerant Half Chaddi Sewaks
https://www.yahoo.com/news/indian-polic ... 58168.html
i dont condone actions of bajrang dal or any outfit--that is ur thinking.
btw--conversion by force is haraam in islam also.
and everybody knows how christian missionary convert in the garb of doing charity.
it is open for everybody to see.

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Sun May 01, 2016 3:48 am

if sanghis hate muslims--as per u--then u also hate them likewise.
so pretty much equals out
and islam is religion of peace and equality right?
so why blame any one ?--both are same
and btw i dont hate or sympathisize with anyone--just state the facts--and facts are very disturbing to everybody if seen naked.

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Re: 5 things you didn’t know about Islam and Europe

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Sun May 01, 2016 6:53 am

anajmi wrote:. We had these muslim and islam hating munafiqs back during the time of the prophet (saw) as well. Infact, they are the ones who were primarily responsible for the problems that happened during the time of Hazrat Uthman and later for the divisions that happened in the Muslim Ummah.
bad people are there everywhere and everytime since adam as.
it is the duty of the leader to govern wisely, pick gud people over bad people, reward gud people and punish bad people.
usman did exactly opposite and put corrupt people and his relatives like marwan and muayavia in position of power.
this is the single most cause of division and corruption of hadith as well as all salafi hadith began during this time.
gud u acknowledge usmaan was not a gud leader let alone khalifa.

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Mon Jul 25, 2016 5:03 pm

Nearly $206M poured into anti-Islamic American groups

Nearly $206 million poured into organizations promoting hate against Muslims in the United States between 2008 and 2013, a report released on Monday revealed.

Released by the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) and the Center for Race and Gender at University of California Berkeley, the report lists 33 Islamophobic organizations as the inner-core groups funded with at least $205,838,077 in total revenue. According to the report, these groups are said to "promote prejudice against and hatred of Islam and Muslims."

According to the report titled Confronting Fear, these groups include Abstraction Fund, Clarion Projects, David Horowitz Freedom Center, Middle East Forum, American Freedom Law Center, and the Center for Security Policy.

The report also documents anti-Islam bills signed into law in 10 states while 81 bills and amendments were introduced between 2013 and 2015 and nearly all of them were introduced solely by Republicans.

In 2015, the report found 78 recorded incidents targeting Muslims, compared to 22 in 2013 and 20 in 2014.

"In both November and December of 2015, there were 17 mosque incidents reported during each of these months, numbers almost equivalent to an entire year's worth of reports from the previous two years," the report read, referring to the two months in which terror attacks occurred in Paris and San Bernardino, California.

The report also found a new anti-Muslim phenomena in the U.S. which it identified as "Muslim-free businesses" and "armed anti-Islam demonstrations."

The report lists several anti-Islam demonstrations where many protesters attended with their guns, particularly orchestrated in the wake of a failed attempt by two extremists who last January tried to attack an event in Garland, Texas.

The report also said that since 2014, some businesses in Arkansas, Florida, Kentucky, New York, Oklahoma, and New Hampshire have publicly declared themselves "Muslim-Free" despite federal law that prohibits such discriminative actions.

It notes that progress has been observed "in the reduced frequency and acceptability of anti-Islam law-enforcement trainings.

"The 2016 presidential election has mainstreamed Islamophobia and resulted in a number of un-constitutional proposals targeting Muslims," said Corey Saylor, director of CAIR's Department to Monitor and Combat Islamophobia and one of the author's of the report.

http://www.dailysabah.com/islamophobia/ ... can-groups