Let us be honest. Islam’s ideology is immoral to its core. Should we ask the Haigue and U.N. to rule on the free world f

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Let us be honest. Islam’s ideology is immoral to its core. Should we ask the Haigue and U.N. to rule on the free world f

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Unread post by Greatest I am » Fri Sep 30, 2016 1:25 pm

Let us be honest. Islam’s ideology is immoral to its core. Should we ask the Haigue and U.N. to rule on the free world's first duty to the world. Should we declare war against this immoral ideology?

Our collective leadership must lead by honor. Honor demands the first duty of all free people be to do their best to ensure that all the people of the world enjoy the same level of freedom that they enjoy. This is irrefutable, in terms of morality.

Freedom can only be enjoyed in a moral society.

The Hague and U.N. must rule on the duty of the free world to humanity, and decide if it is better to have all these little wars that disrupt our cities and countries, or declare a real ideological war against the barbaric and non-progressive ideology that the Eastern hordes are trying to force down the Wests throat.

As usual, religions are trying to grow themselves by the sword. A redirection is in order and quite necessary if peace is to be achieved.

We, the collective of the free world, must move the war to one of words that judge the ideologies for their moral worth, and seek to live by the best one. That verdict will determine the will of the free world as to which direction we free people wish the world to evolve to; in terms of the limits of freedom and the duty of free people.

The free world has forgotten that its first duty to the world is to work to have the whole world share in that freedom.

A war of words tends to kill fewer people than the murderous religious insurgencies we now suffer.

I think our legislators ought to consider such a strategy.

Do you?

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Unread post by I Rizwan » Sun Oct 02, 2016 7:55 am

Greatest I am wrote:Let us be honest. Islam’s ideology is immoral to its core. Should we ask the Haigue and U.N. to rule on the free world's first duty to the world. Should we declare war against this immoral ideology?

Our collective leadership must lead by honor. Honor demands the first duty of all free people be to do their best to ensure that all the people of the world enjoy the same level of freedom that they enjoy. This is irrefutable, in terms of morality.

Freedom can only be enjoyed in a moral society.

The Hague and U.N. must rule on the duty of the free world to humanity, and decide if it is better to have all these little wars that disrupt our cities and countries, or declare a real ideological war against the barbaric and non-progressive ideology that the Eastern hordes are trying to force down the Wests throat.

As usual, religions are trying to grow themselves by the sword. A redirection is in order and quite necessary if peace is to be achieved.

We, the collective of the free world, must move the war to one of words that judge the ideologies for their moral worth, and seek to live by the best one. That verdict will determine the will of the free world as to which direction we free people wish the world to evolve to; in terms of the limits of freedom and the duty of free people.

The free world has forgotten that its first duty to the world is to work to have the whole world share in that freedom.

A war of words tends to kill fewer people than the murderous religious insurgencies we now suffer.

I think our legislators ought to consider such a strategy.

Do you?

Regards
DL

Allah said to the Prophet Muhammad [s],
"O Ahmad, despise the world and those who live for it, and love the hereafter and those who live for it."
The Prophet said, “My Lord! Who are the people who live for the world and who are the people who live for the hereafter?”
Allah replied, “The one who lives for this world is he who is excessive in his eating, his merriment, his sleep and his anger. He is seldom content, if he wrongs someone, he does not seek their forgiveness and he does not accept the contrition of one who apologizes to him. During worship he is sluggish while at moments of disobedience he is vigorous. His aspirations are long while his death is near. He does not evaluate his soul. He is of little benefit to others. He talks a lot. He fears (God) less. He takes inordinate delight in food. Verily those who live for the world are not thankful when they are in ease and not patient when they are in difficulty.
They belittle the merits of others. They take credit for actions that they have not done and they make claims that they do not deserve. They speak on impulse and whim. They recount the faults of others and they conceal their virtues."
So the Prophet asked, “My Lord! Are there any other faults besides all these found in those who live for the world?”
Allah replied, “O Ahmad, the faults of those who live for this world are many. There are amongst them those who are ignorant, foolish and disrespectful of the scholars amongst them. They consider themselves to be intellectuals, while those who have true knowledge know them to be fools."
Then, Allah said, "O Ahmad! [As for] the righteous people, those who live for the hereafter, their faces are gentle, they are modest and are not imprudent. Their benefit is great and their plotting little. The people are safe from them even while they themselves are in difficulty.Their speech is measured. They evaluate their souls and they care careful about it. Their eyes sleep but their hearts are awake.Their eyes shed tears and their hearts are in constant remembrance of God. While others will be counted amongst the negligent ones, they will be counted amongst those who remember God. When they begin to partake of God’s blessing they praise Him and when they finish, they thank Him. God accepts their supplications and He listens to their speech. They are a source of delight for the angels. Their supplications pierce the highest veils of light. God likes to listen to their words the way a mother likes to hear her child. Nothing would distract them from God, even for an instant. They are not extravagant in eating or speech or clothes. They consider the people around them as dead and God as ever Alive, the all-Sustainer and the Compassionate. They call those who turn away from them with magnanimity and seek those who approach them with compassion. The world and the hereafter seem as one to them. While other people die only once, these die seventy times everyday from their constant struggle against their nafs, and combating their desires and the Shaitan who flows in their veins. A gentle wind could move them [due to their frail constitution], however, when they stand before Me they are like a compact structure, I do not see in their hearts the least attachment to other people.
I swear by My might and honour, I will enliven them with the purest life. When their souls are to be separated from their bodies, I will not send to them the angel of death, and I will not allow anyone else to take their soul except Me, and I will open for their souls all the doors of the heavens, and I will lift all the veils from them, and I will command the paradise to adorn itself for them, and the heavenly escorts to rush to them, and the angels to bless them and the trees to provide fruit for them, and the fruit of heaven to be shown to them. And I will command a breeze from the breezes that blow under the throne (arsh) to transport mountains of camphor and scented musk and they will be illuminated without fire, and they will be entered into these (mountains) and there will not be a veil between Me and his soul, and I will say when I take his soul, “Congratulations and welcome to My presence. Ascend by bounties, glad tidings, mercy and contentment.” And gardens in which there will be everlasting bounties for them, they will abide in them for ever, Indeed, with God is a great reward.
If you were to see how the angels receive them from each other! O Ahmad! The people who live for the hereafter have not cared for food after they came to know their Lord, and afflictions do not affect them after they realized their sins, they weep at their mistakes, and they drive their souls and do not give them rest. Indeed, the rest for the people of paradise is in death, and the hereafter is the retreat of the true worshippers (ābidīn), their intimate company is the tears that flow on their cheeks, they sit with the angels who flank them on their right and left, their conversations are with the Mighty One who is above the throne (arsh).
Indeed, the hearts of the people of the hereafter are aggrieved in their breast. They ask, “When will we be relieved by travelling from the temporal abode to the eternal abode.”"

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Unread post by anajmi » Sun Oct 02, 2016 12:37 pm

Some of the behaviours suggested by Islam.

1) Submissive and humble during their prayers
2) Turn away from ill-speech
3) Observe the mandatory charity (zakah)
4) guard their private parts except from their wives or those their right hands possess
5) trustworthy and faithful to their promises

The prophet (saw) said - “Blessed is he who earns his living through lawful ways and he whose inward status is good, outward is decent; spends his surplus wealth in charity; abstains from excessive talking; people remain safe of (any) evil from him; he treats others with justice. Surely whoever believes in Allah fears Him, and whoever fears Allah guards himself against the evils of this world.”
So the some other characteristics of a believer
1. Doing what are lawful and righteous deeds.
2. Having good morals and treating people with respect.
3. Having a purified heart and soul, neither hating others nor being hypocritical.
4. Spending whatever he has out of his wealth in the cause of Allah i.e. in the fields of charity.
5. Being offensive to no one.
6. Causing no harm to others.
7. Respecting other people's rights.
8. Constantly in remembrance of Allah so as to do that which is enjoined and stay away from that which is prohibited.

Allah says in the Quran
Indeed, mankind is in loss,
Except for those who have believed and done righteous deeds and advised each other to truth and advised each other to patience.

Allah says in the Quran about those who cheat in the business dealings
Woe to those who give less [than due],
Who, when they take a measure from people, take in full.
But if they give by measure or by weight to them, they cause loss.
Do they not think that they will be resurrected
For a tremendous Day -
The Day when mankind will stand before the Lord of the worlds?

Some ahadith from the prophet (saw) about the characteristics of a muslim
Allah's Apostle said, "Do not wish to be like anyone, except in two cases: (1) A man whom Allah has given wealth and he spends it righteously. (2) A man whom Allah has given wisdom (knowledge of the Quran and the Hadith) and he acts according to it and teaches it to others."

The Prophet said, "A Muslim has to listen to and obey (the order of his ruler) whether he likes it or not, as long as his orders involve not one in disobedience (to Allah), but if an act of disobedience (to Allah) is imposed one should not listen to it or obey it.

The Prophet sent an army unit (for some campaign) and appointed a man from the Ansar as its commander and ordered them (the soldiers) to obey him. (During the campaign) he became angry with them and said, "Didn't the Prophet order you to obey me?" They said, "Yes." He said, "I order you to collect wood and make a fire and then throw yourselves into it." So they collected wood and made a fire, but when they were about to throw themselves into, it they started looking at each other, and some of them said, "We followed the Prophet to escape from the fire. How should we enter it now?" So while they were in that state, the fire extinguished and their commander's anger abated. The event was mentioned to the Prophet and he said, "If they had entered it (the fire) they would never have come out of it, for obedience is required only in what is good."

The Prophet said, "O 'Abdur-Rahman! Do not seek to be a ruler, for if you are given authority on your demand then you will be held responsible for it, but if you are given it without asking (for it), then you will be helped (by Allah) in it. If you ever take an oath to do something and later on you find that something else is better, then you should expiate your oath and do what is better."

Two men from my tribe and I entered upon the Prophet. One of the two men said to the Prophet, "O Allah's Apostle! Appoint me as a governor," and so did the second. The Prophet said, "We do not assign the authority of ruling to those who ask for it, nor to those who are keen to have it."

I heard the Prophet saying, "Any man whom Allah has given the authority of ruling some people and he does not look after them in an honest manner, will never feel even the smell of Paradise."

While the Prophet was saying something in a gathering, a Bedouin came and asked him, "When would the Hour (Doomsday) take place?" Allah's Apostle continued his talk, so some people said that Allah's Apostle had heard the question, but did not like what that Bedouin had asked. Some of them said that Alllah's Apostle had not heard it. When the Prophet finished his speech, he said, "Where is the questioner, who enquired about the Hour (Doomsday)?" The Bedouin said, "I am here, O Allah's Apostle ." Then the Prophet said, "When honesty is lost, then wait for the Hour (Doomsday)." The Bedouin said, "How will that be lost?" The Prophet said, "When the power or authority comes in the hands of unfit persons, then wait for the Hour (Doomsday.)"

Allah says in the Quran about charity
And let not those who [greedily] withhold what Allah has given them of His bounty ever think that it is better for them. Rather, it is worse for them. Their necks will be encircled by what they withheld on the Day of Resurrection. And to Allah belongs the heritage of the heavens and the earth. And Allah , with what you do, is [fully] Acquainted.


This is just a little sample. The Quran and hadith of the prophet (saw) are filled with such gems. Those who say Islam is immoral are ignorant of even the simplest of Islamic ideas. Islam is the only true religion on earth.

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Unread post by Greatest I am » Tue Nov 08, 2016 10:05 am

I Rizwan wrote:[Allah said to the Prophet Muhammad [s],
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What can I say to such a lie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvBxFXQy7-M

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Unread post by Greatest I am » Tue Nov 08, 2016 10:09 am

anajmi wrote: 4) guard their private parts except from their wives or those their right hands possess
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Does Islam preach that a human can posses another?

That is slavery is it not?

I note that you did not give anything that looks like the Golden Rule. Do you not have such a rule of reciprocity?

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DL

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Unread post by anajmi » Tue Nov 08, 2016 8:28 pm

4) guard their private parts except from their wives or those their right hands possess
Great. Only one issue out of my entire post. Thanks. Find a nearest Islamic center and you can get it clarified.

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Unread post by Greatest I am » Thu Nov 10, 2016 12:22 pm

anajmi wrote:
4) guard their private parts except from their wives or those their right hands possess
Great. Only one issue out of my entire post. Thanks. Find a nearest Islamic center and you can get it clarified.
One issue seems to be all I need to shut you up and make you run for the hills.

You can't even speak to the one issue and you want more. You are a joke.

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Unread post by anajmi » Thu Nov 10, 2016 5:04 pm

Please refer to YouTube. They have a wonderful explanation.

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Thu Feb 09, 2017 7:56 am

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