Dai of HUSSAIN (A.S.)

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Amazing bohra
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Dai of HUSSAIN (A.S.)

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Unread post by Amazing bohra » Sun May 04, 2008 11:44 am

As-salaam-alai-kum
Aqa Maula used to say in MAJLIS and SABAK that he is the "DAI OF HUSSAIN(A.S.)", that means he is from the family of HUSSAIN(A.S.), if its true then why don't the rest of the Muslims have faith in Aqa Maula..........and if it is false then why Maula used to say these kind of things, because no one in the world dare to say that he is the DAI of HUSSAIN(A.S.)
I want to know whether its true or false!

accountability
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Re: Dai of HUSSAIN (A.S.)

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Unread post by accountability » Sun May 04, 2008 1:31 pm

By saying, that he is Dai of Hussain, he is not claiming ancestry of Hussain. Now in waaz, they call him Allah na Dai, that does not mean that he is a prophet. But our religion now has become a cult, in cultish cultures, personalities are to be worshipped.

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Re: Dai of HUSSAIN (A.S.)

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Unread post by Gulf » Sun May 04, 2008 2:20 pm

Originally posted by accountability:
By saying, that he is Dai of Hussain, he is not claiming ancestry of Hussain. Now in waaz, they call him Allah na Dai, that does not mean that he is a prophet. But our religion now has become a cult, in cultish cultures, personalities are to be worshipped
NOT True!! absolutely NOT!!!!!
it is your misunderstanding and shoud be corrected.

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Re: Dai of HUSSAIN (A.S.)

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Sun May 04, 2008 3:28 pm

gulf,

do you have your birth records?

i would like to know whether you suffered any trauma at the time you were born. were you born feet first, or had your umbilical cord wrapped around yr neck or were dropped on your head by error or had severe infantile jaundice etc?

when did u last have yr IQ checked? there is a strong possibility you are autistic with a touch of down's syndrome.

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Re: Dai of HUSSAIN (A.S.)

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Unread post by mbohra » Sun May 04, 2008 4:14 pm

I suppose "Amazing Bohra"'s query relates to the following article(s) which recently appeared on Kothar's website.

Caution: We are NOT responsible for the accuracy or otherwise of the contents etc.

From: akhbar-e-burhani@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Ali Asger Vajihi (ali_anwarmasjid@yahoo.com)
HUSAIN AND HIS DAI

"ARTICLE ON HUSAIN AND HIS DAI WRITTEN BEFORE 30 YRS

The year is 61 hijri . the season is summer . the sun
shines mercilessly . the sands of the desert are
blistering. husain at the head of a small band of men
, women and children is travelling towards kufa .
mohammed rasulullah , ali , fatema , hasan , have all
passed away and ascended into heaven . of the holy
five ,husain is all alone in the world . the fatal
destination has been well prophesied. but there is no
fear , no hestitation and no compromise. how can there
be ? the question here is between truth and falshood,
white and black , heaven and hell .its not aquestion
of power , material wealth or political adjustment .

kerbala is reached . the place of tragedy, the place
of ruin , the place of desolation , at the cross roads
of destiny , and prophetic history . the caravan is
unloaded , that is fated to be burnt and destroyed .
the ladies are helped dowen with respect and
reverence, who are fated to be ill- treated and
molested , and children who are fated to be made
captive and tortured .

on the seventh day there is no water , no food . for
three days husain and his followers, also women and
small children are hungry and thirsty . three long ,
hot scoreching days with no relief , no food , no
water, unimaginable yet reality , unendurale yet
endured, the river flowing . close by yet inaccessible
. there are prayers towards allah . pleadings towards
allah and complaints there are prayers towards allah .
pleadings towards allah and complaints but only
towards allah . for he is the succour and the hope

then ashura dawns . are there any words to describe
that day is there any emotion capable of feeling the
depth of that suffering . is there any man to
recognize the greatness of the soul of husain ? not
any poet not any sage not any philosopher .

for the sake of mohammed , for the sake of his shariat
, for his purity of principle , and the strength of
his belliefs, husain sacrifited his wealth, his men
,his brother , his sons , himself his all, to face
evil , to fight against worng , to save islam . one by
one , the devoted followers,destined to be numbered
among the great of kerbala, take leave of husain, to
die on the burning sandsof tuf, there are only a
handful, but each so pure as to compete in light with
the purity of the stars. each so devoted and true .
that husain him self prays for them by which the gates
of heaven open up and mohamed rasulullah smilingly
welcomes them in.
now it is the turn of the stalwarts from the house of
husain,the house of mohamed and ali, the house of
ibrahim and ismail.rare prsonalities unique and pure,
the likes of abbas and ali aqbar , whom the earth
brings forth only once in thousands of years. for whom
the earth cares for as for its dearest and most near.
whose fire of devotion shines to this day kindles many
aheart. who are and will be always remembered and webt
over while millions of others return to dust and are
forgotten.
and there is ali asgar, six mounths old and great in
worth. slain in the arms of the father. ali asgar
slain in the arms of husain. the be loved son slain in
the arms of husain. but even to the far reaches of
endurance, the please only towards allah. when devoted
ones are dead, the enemy is innumerable, all help yet
comes from allah

and there is ali asgar , six months old and great in
worth . slain in the arms of the father . ali asgar
slain in the arms of husain . the beloved son slain in
the arms of husain . but even to the far reaches of
endurance . the plea is only towards allah. when
devoted ones are dead . the enemy is innumerable , all
help yet comes from allah .
zulfiqar is in the hands of husain . who can dare to
come in front and face its bloody blow. who can dare
to slay husain , when husain looks at them with the
eyes of mohammed , the revered. who can dare be bold
to fight in open combat against the power of the imam .
but the fatal hour has come. the prophecy of a
thousand years will now come to pass. husain is ready
for it and has promised rasulullah of his sacrifice .
rasulullah has accepted that promise with an aching
heart . now allah wills ,and all creation , the earth
, the sky , the stars sun and moon , await the final
test . husain prays in sajadah and husain slaughtered
. zainab cries out and with her is echoed the
crescendo of the univers even to the littlest stone
and pebble . the holy imam is killed , the grandson of
rasulallah , of the holy five is slain , the essence
of creation is massacard. but is the light of the
world snuffed out . is the earth and sky empty of the
light of imam . is islam over powered and ignorance
prevailing ? no and thousand times no. ali zan
alabdin remains and after him mohammeed albaqer , the
purpuse of life persevers. there is immam after imam
light after light , father after son , in unbroken
chain of lineage .
there was greatness in seclusion and there was
greatness in the glory of the fatemids . the name of
hussien was known throughout the world the love of
hussien was universal.
an incident comes to mind which i would like to
relate and which illustrates
the unquie contributaion that the doat motlaqeen and
syedna taher saifudein in particulare have made ,to
the name of hussien
during the time of muhammed rasul allah one day
fatima is with her father he has just recieved a
call from gabril and is deeply lost in thought ,worry
and grief over his faith .
fatima asks him what is the matter is , and rasull
allah prophesis the massacare of hussien at karbalaa
. fatema asks her father when the event will come to
pass . and muhammed the profit replies
when neither fatema is present nor ali the father .
at hearing this the heart of the mother cries out
,questioning mohammed , as to who then would weep over
hussien rassul allah replies that momenin the true
folower of his religion , for thousand of years
would remember hussien and would weep over him
and would allways renew his grief
such true folowers of islam where the doat
motlaqeen how through dificulty and adversity kept the
name of hussien alive , who wept over him and urge
there follwers to do the same . who always remembered
hussien and his sacrifies at karbelaa and never
for a momnet let there follwers forget it

but there appears in the cycle of the universe certain
chosen men, who bear
a special love for this Moula and whom the Moula
grants a special place. Such
a person was Syedna Taher Saifnddein.
In tile span of Fifty three years of office, by
his efforts, by his name and the
cry for Husain reverberated and echoed to the gates of
Heaven and beyond
Day by day and year by year more and more people came
under the magnetism
of that holy name. The emotion . used to be
confined to the days of
Ashura Mubaraka was activated and became sensitive
throughout the year
The tempo of responsiveness arose. The fervor and the
passion increased
Till one cry of YA HUSAIN from the Takht was enough
to-evoke, thousand
in the audience to' take up the cry in matem.
What had formerly been some
thing detached, took on a personal involvement.
What, had been an incident
in history became alive, throbbing and present
today. What had been
lukewarm, mild and sophisticated, became vital,
passionate, and deep.

Syedna Taher Saifuddin had the grace of Allah and
remained in office for
fifty three years, the longest period of years for
any Dai in past history to
remain on the throne on the Dawat. By touring
innumerable countries, by
personal example and unsurpassed oration he was able
to draw the people to
the name oF Husain. Formerly there used to be eight
days of Wa'az from the
second to the tenth and the seventh day, the day of
Syedna Ismail Bad-
ruddin's Urus majlis only. But Syedna Taher
Saifuddin a perfectionist and
an inexausible fountain of knowledge kept the seventh
day of Ashura muba-
raka, also oF Wa'az. majlis.
In the space of four and a half to Five hours every
day the wisdom of Ale
Mohamed flowed from his lips. The light of the
imam shone through him
and Momineen basked in that heavenly glow. In true
brotherhood with Syedna
lmamuddin Al Kirmani the great , Syedna Taher
Saifuddin dived into
the depths of knowledge, and brought forth rare
pearls of great value.
his oratory was like the great torrential river,
mighty in volume, great in
depth, and pure in content. there was no abridging it,
there was no stopping it,
and it took the listeners, on its exciting fast
flowing course. All could drink
from its plentiful pure waters, the learned and the
innocent, the young
and the retired, the lopeful and the bleak. All who
came took back some-
thing with them and the pure water was just as
plentiful. Tile cadence of
his voice was memorable, whether it was
inviting momineen to the fruits of
heaven or whether it was roaring at the depravations
of the munafiqeen. The
Voice is a gift of God, and when it comes from the
heart it readies the heart.
Such was the voice of Syedna Taher Saifuddin. The
soothing gentle voice.
of balm for the aching. of hope for the bereaved, of
nature for the innocent
And with each sermon the grief of Husain was deeply
prevalent, the 'cause
of assembly.

In a few places like Bombay, Karachi, Sidhpur, Surat,
the pepple were very
fortunate to listen from their Moula's lips the
Shahadat of Husain, many a
times. Syedna Taher Saifuddin delivered Wa'az 19
times in, Bombay, 8
times in Surat, 5 times in Sidhpur and 8 times in
Karachi. One Ashura majlis
was conducted half in Surat and half in Bombay. The
people of Kapar-

wanj, Khambhat Colombo, ;dohad, Jhalrapatan,
Rampura and Calcutta
benefitted once and Udaipur twice. Once Wa'az was
held in Medina. Munavvara
when Syedna Taher Saifuddin had gone for Haj in. the
.year 1355 and Ashara
Mubaraka Wa'az was in the Moharrum of 1356, directly
after Haj. The jour-
ney was historic and the event was historic.
Unprecedented and unheard of
in Madinatunnabi, Syedna Taher Saifuddin prayed
the shahadut of imam Hu-
sain for nine days in the tradition of Dawate Hadiyah.
Later the shia com-
munity of Medina came to congratulate Moulana for his
devotion and daring.

his was the devotion of a true devotee as well as
a devotion ,of a poet. The
mersiyah of "Ya Syedah Shohadai" is full of the grief
ol Husain, his Ahlabait
and his Ashab. Taking the pen of truth, he has
mingled factual historic reality
with' the imagination of the poetic genius. It is not
merely a beautiful ren-
dering, but an emotionally charged expression of
sorrow, fatality and prophecy.
There is the light of truth in it, as well as the
miraculous effect of
truth. Being a deep expression of grief, it also
has the power to soothe the,aggrieved

One momin was in dire trouble, and he could not see
any way out of it. In
this state he slept at night and dreamt that the
49th Dai Syedna Mohammed
Burhanuddin, the father of Syedna Taher Saifuddin came
to him. The momin
asks Moula to pray for him so that his troubles may
be eased. Syedna
Burhanuddin tells the momin to pray the mursiya of
"Ya Sayadish Shohadai''
True ' enough by praying this mursiya the momin
was able to solve
his difficulties. Such is the power of truth, such
is the effect of sincerity,
such is the miracle of the marsiya of husain, such is
the miracle of Syedna
Taher Saifuddin.

Ya Sayadish Shohadai is a monument in poetry, ashara
sermons are a monu-
ment in wisdom and oratory, and the zarih of husain
is the monument in
silver and gold. Among all humanity it was the
special privilege of Syedna
Taher Saifuddin to build this zarih, the special
privilege of a ,Husaini Dai to
build the zarih over Husain. The zarih is a
dedication to the prince of exiles,
the prince of grief, the prince of thirst. for his is
the grief which dissipates all
other grief, his is the sorrow which dries all other
tears, his is the
perseverence which lightens all other pain.The zarih
in Karbala was built in 1355
and the zarih over the holy head of Husain in
AI-Qaheratur- Moizziah was
consecrated in 1385. It was Syedna Taher
Saifuddin's farewell to the world
His service to Husain being completed to perfection,
husain himself calls his dai away
Now the name of sayedna Taher Saifuddin is so
intricately linked with the name
of Moula husain that whenever momineen lift their
voices in grief,
whenever momineen pray that mursiyaYa Sayadush
Shohadai wheneve
momineen go in pilgrimage to Karbala and
Cairo to the holy zarih, the
great personality comes to mind who dedicated his
whole life to the holy name of husain
the worthly son of a great F'ather, Syedna
Mohamed Burhanuddin has
taken up the banner of service to Husain. Year
by Year the heights of wis-
dom reached are greater and greater, the depths of
sorrow deeper and deeper,
the number of people attending Wa'az more and
more numerous. And with
the name of Husain is the simultaneous doa on
each lip for their Moula Syed
na Mohamed Burhanuddin. for islam is because of him
, Iman is because of
him, the grief of husain is because of him and
momineen. we are because of
him may Allah always keep him in health, and grant
him longest longest
life

amin "

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Re: Dai of HUSSAIN (A.S.)

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Unread post by Smart » Fri Aug 08, 2008 2:27 am

Dai of HUSSAIN (A.S.)
As Gulf says: (and I agree)
NOT True!! absolutely NOT!!!!!

But for different reasons

Husain valued his principles more than his life.

Here we see the case of the Syedna paying ransom to likes of Thackeray and Modi.

How, possibly, can they be compared?

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Re: Dai of HUSSAIN (A.S.)

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Unread post by The Truth » Sat Aug 09, 2008 3:27 pm

Originally posted by Amazing bohra:
As-salaam-alai-kum
Aqa Maula used to say in MAJLIS and SABAK that he is the "DAI OF HUSSAIN(A.S.)", that means he is from the family of HUSSAIN(A.S.), if its true then why don't the rest of the Muslims have faith in Aqa Maula..........and if it is false then why Maula used to say these kind of things, because no one in the world dare to say that he is the DAI of HUSSAIN(A.S.)
I want to know whether its true or false!
I totally agree with you as i truly believe that sayedna can only say he is the " Dai of Hussain" however cannot prove the fact.in his sabak and majlis he's always talkin bout how phrophets sacrifised thr lives to free islam but av NEVER EVER heard him say how he's related to the Imams or the phrophets or hows he came into all this?

technically speakin it is said that the phrophet Adam was the 1st person to be on earth and from then on generations started which means we'r related to phrophet Adam does that make us any special?

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Re: Dai of HUSSAIN (A.S.)

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Unread post by Gulf » Sat Aug 09, 2008 5:32 pm

Here we see the case of the Syedna paying ransom to likes of Thackeray and Modi.
Many of Muslim leaders including Aqa Moula (TUS) met modi since 2002 but media did not bring them in light, and so, that is not our problem
:p

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Re: Dai of HUSSAIN (A.S.)

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Unread post by Smart » Sun Aug 10, 2008 12:10 am

@Gulf - your post
Many of Muslim leaders including Aqa Moula (TUS) met modi since 2002 but media did not bring them in light, and so, that is not our problem

So you want to state that your Aqa Moula is like any other Muslim leader? Of the same caliber? Same capability? Watch out the Taheris may ask for your Baaraat!

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Re: Dai of HUSSAIN (A.S.)

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Unread post by Smart » Sun Aug 10, 2008 12:30 am

Imam Hussain:
1. Was principled and sacrificed his life and his family for his principles.
2. Stood up to tyranny.
3. Separated baitul maal from his own property.
4. Was a victim of the terror of the establihment.

The Syedna:
1. What principles? He has sacrificed every principle, sold every title and done away with all standards to collect money for himself and his family.
2. Bowed before perpetrators of tyranny like Thackeray and Modi. Not only does he do that, he finances their tyranny!
3. The dividing line between his personal property and the property of the community is wiped out. Thako so mako! Mako so ...
4. Is the perpetrator of terror in the community. he and his cohorts do not think twice before terrorising those who think.

How can they compare in any way? So how is the Syedna, Imam Hussain na Dai?