Moved by Simplicity

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S. Insaf
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Moved by Simplicity

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Unread post by S. Insaf » Sun Aug 21, 2005 6:30 pm

Moved by Simplicity of Royal Funeral, Christian Priest Embraces Islam
Arab News – 21st August 2005
The funeral of King Fahd, which was conducted in a simple manner in Riyadh earlier this month, has encouraged a well-known Christian priest in Italy to embrace Islam, press reports said.
The priest, who watched the late king’s funeral on satellite television, was impressed by the lack of pomp and pageantry in the royal funeral, Al-Riyadh - Arabic daily reported without mentioning his name.
King Fahd was buried in Al-Oud graveyard the next day of his death. The funeral ceremony attended by world leaders was solemn.
Islamic preacher Dr. Abdullah Al-Malik said the simple funeral of the king had a dramatic effect on the priest’s mind, which led him to Islam. “Although the Christian priest had read several Islamic books before, they didn’t have the same impact on him.”
This is the second high-profile reversion to Islam by an Italian involving Saudi Arabia. Four years ago, Italian Ambassador to Riyadh Torquato Cardilli embraced Islam.
“The priest watched the funeral of King Fahd and another ordinary person who died and buried the same day on television and did not find any difference,” Malik said. “There was only a single funeral prayer for the two and both were buried in similar graves. This great example of equality influenced the priest and prompted him to embrace Islam,” Malik said.
Muslim preachers in Italy had given the priest Islamic books and cassettes in the past 15 years, but what moved him was the simplicity of the royal funeral.
“I had read several Islamic books and heard many Islamic cassettes over the past years, they never moved me. But the simple royal funeral shook me and changed my mind,” Malik quoted the priest as saying.
Islamic preacher Dr. Abdullah Al-Malik said he believed the king’s funeral would change the mind of many others. He urged Muslim media to focus on stories related to Islam’s tolerance and equality in order to attract more people to the religion.

Thank you Dr. Abdullah Al-Malik for sending this massage to Bohra Chronicle for the purpose of circulating it in Muslim circles.

But I am ashamed to inform you that in my Dawoodi Bohra Community a different kind of Islam is followed.
In my community the head priest known as al Dai- al-Mutlaq or Sayedna claims that he is “Ilahul-Ard”, God on this earth and Sijda to him is obligatory for each of his followers. When the father of present al Dai- al-Mutlaq, Sayedna Tahir Saifuddin Saheb died in 1965 his body was in an exclusive place in the mist of population and not in a graveyard for other common Bohras. Not only that a major portion of houses around were got vacated and demolished. A nearby mosque know as Noor Masjid was also demolished. Thereafter a huge Mausoleum with royal garden was constructed with fine marbles. Further more the inside walls of the mausoleum, known as Razatut-Tahira were decorated with diamonds and gold and huge chandeliers.
The present Sayedna Mohammed Burhanuddin did not stop there. He has made a mission of his life and has renovated thousands of old tombs of earlier Dais and has erected huge marble mausoleums with gardens and restrooms around with 5-Star hotel facilities.
This continues even today and now he is planning to renovate the tomb of Sayedna Hatim in Yaman. An out collection campaign is on for this purpose. You would be surprised that his family and his establishment collect billions of rupees from our community by force. The unseen force is the fear of stopping marriages and burials and that of excommunication from the community.
Sayedna Mohammed Burhanuddin is no ordinary person. He is the head of a community, he moves around in Muslim and non-Muslim circles all over the world. He advertises every now then in leading newspaper about his father’s marble mausoleum calling it a ‘Miracle in Marble’.
We, the Dawoodi Bohras are the followers of Islam and Qura’n where there is no concept of priesthood. Where there is no concept of Raza for Salat (Namaz), Saum (roza), and Hajj etc. Where there is no concept of misaq to be given to Dai without which one does not considered as Muslim. Where there is no concept of Baraat (excommunication), which our Dai declares against any one who insist on accountability, individual freedom and welfare of the community. By the use of Baraat he is throwing out Bohra Muslims from the faith though he is required to bring the people other faith to Islamic faith.
Our head priest is known as Dai whose mission is Dawat, calling people for Islam. This mission was successfully carried out by our earlier Dais, who were god-fearing and simple-living religious persons. They were successful in impressing thousands of people of other faiths by their simplicity and honesty. They were in fact successful in impressing Hindu Rajas (Kings) and their courtiers to Islamic faith. We, the Dawoodi Bohras are in fact all converted from Hindus to Islamic faith by our earlier Dais.
Please read the reports of two Inquiry Commissions headed by Honorable Judges and a thick volume of newspaper reports where our Sayedna Saheb has been described as ‘Holy Terror’, ‘A Law unto Himself’ High Priest of Cruelty’ etc. and also the wretched condition of followers of Islam under his authoritarian rule.

aZgar_killer
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Unread post by aZgar_killer » Mon Aug 22, 2005 5:28 am

Array Oooooooooo.........Insaap !!!
JAHANNUM mein to ye Abdullah Al Malik bhi koi kaam nahi aayega.
Waise SUPREME COURT ja ja ker joote chappal PHAT gaye jo ab ye Abdullah Al Malik ki yaad aayi....Try n Try...you will Fail.

babu
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Unread post by babu » Mon Aug 22, 2005 7:23 am

Kaun Abdullah aur kaun Malik ?? :cool:

babu
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Unread post by babu » Mon Aug 22, 2005 7:32 am

Mr. Insaaph,
Either see with both of eyes / or dont , Please dont be 'KAANA',
either Be Bohri or wahabi

sorry , bura to laga hoga

babu
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Unread post by babu » Mon Aug 22, 2005 7:51 am

Moved by Simplicity of Royal Funeral, Priest Embraces Islam
P.K. Abdul Ghafour, Arab News

JEDDAH, 21 August 2005 — The funeral of King Fahd, which was conducted in a simple manner in Riyadh earlier this month, has encouraged a well-known Christian priest in Italy to embrace Islam, press reports said.

The priest, who watched the late king’s funeral on satellite television, was impressed by the lack of pomp and pageantry in the royal funeral, Al-Riyadh Arabic daily reported without mentioning his name.

King Fahd was buried in Al-Oud graveyard the next day of his death after a solemn funeral ceremony attended by world leaders.

Islamic preacher Dr. Abdullah Al-Malik said the simple funeral of the king had a dramatic effect on the priest’s mind, which led him to Islam. “Although he had read several Islamic books before, they didn’t have the same impact.”

This is the second high-profile reversion to Islam by an Italian involving Saudi Arabia. Four years ago, Italian Ambassador to Riyadh Torquato Cardilli embraced Islam.

“The priest watched the funeral of King Fahd and another person on television and did not find any difference,” Malik said. “There was only a single funeral prayer for the two and both were buried in similar graves. This great example of equality influenced the priest and prompted him to embrace Islam,” Malik said.

Muslim preachers in Italy had given the priest Islamic books and cassettes in the past 15 years, but what moved him was the simplicity of the royal funeral.

“I had read several Islamic books and heard many Islamic cassettes over the past years, they never moved me. But the simple royal funeral shook me and changed my mind,” Malik quoted the priest as saying.

He said he believed the king’s funeral would change the mind of many others. He urged Muslim media to focus on stories related to Islam’s tolerance and equality in order to attract more people to the religion.

“I will work the rest of my life for the propagation of Islam,” the 62-year-old former priest said.

Badr Al-Olayan, director of the Islamic Education Foundation in Jeddah, said the priest’s reversion to Islam was “very good news.” He narrated the story of another Italian who came to IEF office to embrace Islam after being impressed by the large and orderly congregation of Muslims at the Grand Mosque in Makkah to perform prayers.

“How can you assemble such a large number of people by just making a call. It’s impossible. Only God can do that,” he quoted the Italian as saying.

Olayan urged Muslims to do more in order to take the message of Islam to other people.

Ambassador Cardilli, 60, embraced Islam on Nov. 15, 2001. “I am fully convinced of the truth of Islam through my regular reading of God’s final revelation, the Holy Qur’an,” Cardilli was quoted as saying at the time.

This is the link:

http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1&section ... m=8&y=2005

babu
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Unread post by babu » Mon Aug 22, 2005 7:57 am

Zaraa Bohra history bhi dekh lo
Raja Tarmal And Bharmal is an Example too....

Italian priest tak kaha jaate ho

S. Insaf
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Unread post by S. Insaf » Mon Aug 22, 2005 4:44 pm

The above news shows that the Christian priest was reading books on Islam for 15 years but that did not impress him to change his mind.
What really impressed him that it was King Fahd's funeral who was very rich and to glorify his greatness a big show of his wealth and power could be arranged. Especially when hundreds of prominent world leaders were present in Riyad to participate in his funeral. But not only that the entire the last rites and funeral was without any pomp and pageant but on the same day an ordinary Muslim had also died and both the mighty king and the common man were buried with the equal simplicity and respect. Again both the mighty king and ordinary Arab were buried in the same graveyard side by side without any distinction.
The Christian priest studied Islam for 15 years which imphasises Simplicity and Equality but when saw with his own eyes on satellite television the preaching of Islam in practice only then nothing could stop him from embracing Islam.
Some time to create or shatter the faith, witnessing an incident is enough. Udaipur's Bohra women were strong loyalist of Sayedna till they suffered his cruelty at Galiakot. That shattered their faith forever.
In our Dawoodi Bohra Community when we talk of simplicity and equality practiced by holy Prophet of Islam and Hazrat Ali we are ridiculed by saying "whose were different times." Times can change but how can the basic principles of a religion change? Religion is nothing but a way of life based on certain basic principles of justice.
The mission of our Dais is Dawat, calling people of other faith towards Islam. This mission was successfully carried out by our earlier Dais, who were god-fearing and simple-living persons. They were successful in impressing thousands of people of other faiths by their simplicity and honesty. They were in fact successful in impressing Hindu Rajas (Kings) and their courtiers to Islamic faith. We, the Dawoodi Bohras are in fact all converted from Hindus to Islamic-Ismaili faith by our earlier Dais. When they died they were all buried in local common Bohra graveyard with other mumineen.
But when Sayedna Tahir Saifuddin Saheb died in Matheran his body was brought to Bombay and buried in an exclusive place in the mist of population in Bhindi Bazar and not in a common Bohra graveyard. Not only that, a major portion of houses around were got vacated and demolished. A nearby mosque was also demolished. Thereafter a huge marble Mausoleum was constructed with royal garden around. Further more the inside walls of the mausoleum, were decorated with diamonds and gold and huge chandeliers.
Crores of rupees of the community were spent on dead body of a single person. It was gross loss of the national wealth.
To cover up this unusual spectacular show in the memory of his father the present Dai Sayedna Mohammed Burhanuddin made a mission of his life to renovate thousands of old tombs of earlier Dais at other places and erected huge marble mausoleums with gardens and restrooms with 5-Star hotel facilities. In Burhanpur and Ahmedabad, for example, the Dais and other functionaries of Dawat and their family members were buried in the local Bohra graveyards. All the graves of the common Bohras around are demolished and huge marble mausoleums giving them an exclusive space are built. Graveyards are converted in to spacious Jamatkhanas and restrooms, swimming pools and picnic spots. This continues even today and now he is planning to renovate the tomb of Sayedna Hatim in Yaman. An all out collection campaign is on in the community for this purpose. We all know that Sayedna Saheb's family and his establishment collect billions of rupees from our community by force. The unseen force is the fear of stopping marriages and burials and that of excommunication from the community.
Is this the exemplary Islam Sayedna Saheb is supposed to follow? How can he spend such huge sum on mere glory of dead when there is an acute poverty in the community? How can a Dai be called benevolent when he spends community's hard-earned money so lavishly for his own glorification, when thousands of his followers are suffering because of devastation of their lives and properties in earth-quack and riots?
It is a shame for the entire community that rather than building educational and research institutions, providing free food and medical facilities, building housing colonies he is spending, going against Islam, so much wealth of the community on renovating mosques and mausoleums?
Sayedna Mohammed Burhanuddin Saheb advertises every now and then in the leading newspapers about marble mausoleum Rozatut-Tahira, calling it a 'Miracle in Marble'. The luxurious life-style of our Daiz-zaman and his extravagancies are against Islam. But he is proud of them. He can be anything but not religious and spiritual. Dai's duty is to set an example of piety and call people towards Islam. But because of his anti-Islamic functioning Bohras are fed up. Rather than correcting himself he advises them that if they are not happy with his functioning they should leave and join other faith. This is definitely not the way a Dai should behave!

babu
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Unread post by babu » Mon Aug 22, 2005 5:33 pm

So what is NEW in it ?
This is what you are serving to your followers since Last 30 Years ,
This is what we say "BAASEE KADHEE MAIN UBAAL" :D

Muslim First
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Unread post by Muslim First » Mon Aug 22, 2005 5:38 pm

.
Check this out

"New gilaf for the Zarih Mubarak of Imam Hussain AS in Karbala was presented on behalf of Aqa Maula TUS by Shahzada Aliwaqar Qusai bs Vajihuddin Saheb DM, who travelled to Karbala specially to present it at the Haram Shareef."

[ http://malumaat.com/akhbar1426/karbala/index1.html ]

What a waste of Jamaat's money. And what for.

It is Bidah to cunstruct buildings over a garave.
It is Bidah to construct Jaali around Qubr.

This money could be used for poor Bohras or deserving student.

I am sure Shahzada Aliwaqar Qusai bs Vajihuddin Saheb DM and family and friends had nice vacation at the expense of Jamaat.
.

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Unread post by Alislam » Mon Aug 22, 2005 6:56 pm

"What really impressed him that it was King Fahd's funeral who was very rich and to glorify his greatness a big show of his wealth and power could be arranged".

The Christian priest would have been more impressed with the King Fahad's Palaces, Harems,Cars, etc., had he known about them.

Having a simple burial is a compulsion of the regime to be in power and enjoy life..
Do you think they really are followers/defenders of Islam, whose forefathers were dacoits and attacked mecca and even tried to demolish the kaaba ...

mumin_mukhlish
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Unread post by mumin_mukhlish » Mon Aug 22, 2005 7:25 pm

Mr. In Saap (Progresssive without any progress :o )
You should be rewarded with life time no achievement award :D

Average Bohra
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Unread post by Average Bohra » Tue Aug 23, 2005 12:39 am

Thank you Dr. Abdullah Al-Malik for sending this massage to Bohra Chronicle for the purpose of circulating it in Muslim circles.
So some Italian guy becomes a Muslim based on a funeral and some books he has read and this is a climactic moment for Islam ? Hardly !...
One small step for Dr. Abdullah Al-Malik , one giant step for the Islamic tourism industry in Saudi Arabia.

Don't you see how you are being manipulated ? This funeral lacking so-called <u>"pomp and pageantry"</u> was marketed and <u>"watched on satellite television"</u> ! Now don't be giving the Dai any ideas.

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Unread post by mumu » Tue Aug 23, 2005 3:58 am

Mr. InSAAP,
You seems to be a very confused man to me.
In one of your articles your blaim Moula for meeting Modi (Responsible for Riots in Gujrat) and in another one you suggest to follow the example of King Fahd (whose forefathers tried to demolish Mecca and who has demolished the first school of Islam).
I doubt that you are Muslim or you follow islam. I mean such persons are your idols who wants to destroy the History of Islam.

tahir
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Unread post by tahir » Tue Aug 23, 2005 4:56 am

The splendid constructions around the so called "ziyarats" have a lots of blood smeared over them. These resorts have proved to be a a big source of revenue and kothar is always anxious to spill over the musafirkhanas in the surrounding lands. In most of the cases the homes adjoining the musafirkhanas are owned by bohris and they are forced by kothar to sell it on cheap rates by saying "aa maula nu kaam che...tamne sawab malse".

I had been to Ujjain recently which is a "ziyarat" of the present Dai's grandfather Syedna Abdul Kader Najmuddin and 2 other dais (Ibrahim Vajiyuddin and Hebtulla Moinuddin) besides a separate mausoleum of the great saint Sayyadi Hasan Jee Badshah. The mazaar administratin has not only forced out poor bohri families from the mohalla but also illegally encroached upon the government land, making the mohallas narrower and the lives of bohris more miserable. They had appropriated the two government wells of the mohalla which were the only source of drinking water for the bohras during summers. And now the mazaar refuses to give them water during summers from those wells. They also tried to encroach upon a small open space in the mohalla which serves as playing ground for the bohri children but due to timely protest from the neighbourhood homes, the mazaar had to retreat from there.

I learned about the story of a poor man called Baquir Bhai Barwani Wala. He was an ardent follower of the present "maula" and didnt do anything without the local aamil's raza. Unfortunately, his house was adjoining to the mazaar land which the administration had been eyeing for its nefarious expansion plans. They purchased the land for peanuts (in the name of "maula")and the poor man was displaced to a muslim slum area where he was eventually murdered (in 1992) over a trivial eve teasing dispute regarding his daughter. Since he was the soul bread earner of his big family, all the bohris of Ujjain contributed money to deposit a sum of Rs.50000 as FD for his wife Zaheda bein, but the "maula" didnt send a single penny for his follower inspite of being told about the case.

Currently, the mazaar administration is planning to further encroach (illegally) on the bohri mohalla land for constructing a "Faiz" (jamatkhana) and a new musafirkhana. They have already started using the "maula" pressure tactics on the neighbouring bohris who had previously threatened to go to court.

tahir
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Unread post by tahir » Tue Aug 23, 2005 5:01 am

This is what we say "BAASEE KADHEE MAIN UBAAL
a perfect phrase to describe "waaz"....

babu
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Unread post by babu » Tue Aug 23, 2005 12:57 pm

Qatle Hussain aaj bhi Margh-e Yazeed hai !
Islaam Zinda hota hai har Karbala ke baad !!

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Unread post by porus » Tue Aug 23, 2005 1:23 pm

Babuji,

Actually it is:

"Qatl-e-Husain asl main marge Yazid hai,
Hota hai Islam zinda har Karbala ke baad" Ali Gauhar

[In the words of Moulana Ali Gouhar, "The killing of Husayn is in fact the death knell of Yazid. Islam is revived after every such Karbala".]

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Unread post by anajmi » Tue Aug 23, 2005 3:12 pm

So who is yazeed in this context?

babu
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Unread post by babu » Tue Aug 23, 2005 5:53 pm

As It Expected,
Be Practical Yaar

tahir
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Unread post by tahir » Wed Aug 24, 2005 4:51 am

One small step for Dr. Abdullah Al-Malik , one giant step for the Islamic tourism industry in Saudi Arabia.
AB,
I dont have any love for wahabis but having seen Saudi and known the culture, I can tell that tourism is the last thing they would like to promote. The only potential destination for international tourism could be the cities of Mecca and Medina which are already banned for non muslims so that all the available resources could be channelled towards serving the deluge of pilgrims.

So many people want to visit the country (without any promotional campaign) that the Saudi govt. have to fix quotas for number of people allowed per country per year during hajj. Moreover, it is very unlikely that people around the world would flood to Riyadh or Jeddah (or Yanbu etc.) after hearing about an ascetic funeral.

moomin052
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Unread post by moomin052 » Wed Aug 24, 2005 5:09 am

mr insaaf why dont you also bacome a wahabbi officialy so that you also receive such a funeral when you die if that impresses you so much,and be burried in a nameless grave.But be sure its in a bohra graveyard otherwise you will go to hell

jahannami
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Unread post by jahannami » Wed Aug 24, 2005 5:27 am

Qatle Hussain aaj bhi Margh-e Yazeed hai !
Islaam Zinda hota hai har Karbala ke baad !!
Whenever bohris try to speak hindi or urdu they make a fool of themselves...First, they dont know the proper use of muhavaras and shayaris. Second, their pronunciations are pathetic. They cant differentiate between "TA" and "ta", "DA" and "da", "SHA" and "sa" etc. Babu reminds me of Mulla Burhanuddin who tried to impress the guests by speaking a "sher" in the innaugration of saifee hospital. In his stammering voice, he used the sher at wrong place and pronounced many words incorrectly and ended up making a joker of himself. Manmohan Singh and Dilip Kumar couldn't hold their laughs.... :D

moomin052...how come u forgot mentioning "raza","phook" and "salaam"?... ;)

aZgar_killer
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Unread post by aZgar_killer » Wed Aug 24, 2005 6:12 am

TAHR,
Now i feel i was completly RIGHT when i TAGGED YOU with "PRODUCTION OF GUTTER".
By the way from which JOPPER-PATTI of BOMBAY do you belong !!!
HEYY !!! ye sunn ker plzz PANT GILI mat kerna !!! :D

S. Insaf
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Unread post by S. Insaf » Wed Aug 24, 2005 6:59 am

Holy prophet Mohammed (pbuh) and Hazrat Ali (A.s.) were the best exmple of Simplicity and Equality and I am sure they were not Wahabis.
Most of Ahle-bait and other Imams are buried in commom graveyards and there are only some signs of their graves and no mausoleums. Our Saydna Saheb goes to Jannatul-baqi graveyards sit on soil and kisses the mere a small of soil as graves of Fatima Zehra, Imam Hasan, Imam Baqir and Imam Jaferus-Sadiq.
Even according to available records Holy prophet's grave was found by appoximation after 300 years of his death at a time when the revolutionary Islam was converted in to monarchy.
Which shows the real Islam followed in the early period.
Today the light and air-conditioning which we see in green-gunbad is all because of new technology.
All the monarch including our Sultanul-Bawahir are human being and are of average hights but to project themselves higher and bigger than other common people they build Huge places and huge mausoleums and use hi fi titles before their names to impress people about their greatness.

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Unread post by jahannami » Thu Aug 25, 2005 7:26 am

yet another id from booboo....internet in the hands of kothari jokers means "BANDAR KE HAATH MEIN USTARA"... ;)

khan19922001
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Unread post by khan19922001 » Thu Aug 25, 2005 7:57 am

Admin

You objected to someone using "aqa moula" as a name. How are you tolerating names like "asghar E the mother fucker"

Also can you do something about the posts of taha52. He seems to be out of control.

Regards

Average Bohra
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Unread post by Average Bohra » Wed Aug 31, 2005 3:53 pm

Tahir,

I was not referring to international tourism but the Hajj tourism "industry" which is a big money maker for the so-called Royal Family. You are right in that there are no non-muslim international tourists visiting Saudi Arabia or muslim vacationers for that matter.

My comments referred to the successful campaign by the Saudis to Arabize Islam.

tahir
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Unread post by tahir » Thu Sep 01, 2005 9:02 am

Originally posted by Average Bohra:
My comments referred to the successful campaign by the Saudis to Arabize Islam.
Islam was "arabized" at the outset...much before Saudi Arab as a nation came into existence.

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Unread post by udaipur_75 » Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:34 am

Hi Insaf

This is real good article which u hv posted.

No one will ever think that these Arabs also beleive in Simplicity.

Its a eye opener for the Badri Mahal occupents.

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Unread post by udaipur_75 » Thu Sep 01, 2005 11:38 am

Why the hell you shud say Shehzada to Syedna Sahab family kids...agreed Syedna Sahab is to be respected but why these silly KIDS ..

They all are Freaks...this is ridiculous.
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There is one joker known a Taha who keeps on coming to Udaipur and make Janta fool by collecting money