Israeli illegal excavation

[feelgud]

Recent Israeli excavations and destruction near and under the holy sites in the Old City Jerusalem threaten to change history. These excavations, if allowed to continue, threaten to seriously distort the historical significance of the Old City of Jerusalem. The integrity of monuments and historic sites that identify the heritage of humanity, especially sites of spiritual and cultural diversity, must be protected by responsible members of the world community.

On February 6, the Israeli antiquities authority started demolition of historic sites near the western wall of the holy sites compound. A hill, a wooden bridge, and two rooms at the foot of the hill will be eradicated in order to build a permanent bridge/walkway for Jewish settlers to access the Jewish Wailing Wall/ Muslim Buraq wall on the road leading to Magharba gate. These monuments represent different periods of human history.

Jerusalem, the mountainous walled city with a rich religious history, is sacred to followers of the three great religions of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam; more than one half of the world's population.

For Jews, Jerusalem is the holy site of the Wailing Wall ; for Christians, the site of Christ's burial and resurrection; for Muslims, the site of the Prophet Muhammad's night journey to heaven, as well as the first direction they prayed towards before Makkah, and one of the three holiest sites.

Israel has been conducting what it terms 'excavation work' , an archaeological digging/tunnel , near and under the holy sites compound. since 1969.The current digging imposes a direct threat to the sustainability of Al-Aqsa mosque, as well as the Church of the Holy Sepulchre; where it is believed Christ was buried and rose from the dead. Other adjacent historic structures are also threatened.

In February 2004, excavation work led to the collapse of a part of the path leading to Al Magharba Gate, one of the holy compound’s main entrances. However, Israeli media claims that the excavation had no effect on this incident and cites a snowstorm as the reason for the collapse. In February 2007, they characterizes the recent excavation/demolition as repair, maintenance, or restoration activities.

Jerusalem’s rich history belongs to all humankind. Old City of Jerusalem was declared by UNESCO as a threatened world heritage site.

The recent Israeli excavations and demolition of historic monuments of Jerusalem are a clear violation of the international laws as listed below:

http://www.uruknet.de/?p=m30591&hd=&size=1&l=e

[anajmi]

Here are some Israeli achievements and world records

world record in number of towns and villages ethnically cleansed 500+
World record in number of refugess deported 4 million +
world record in the number of homes she demolished 60,000+
highest number of UN condemnations 500+
highest number of protective US security council vetoes 100+
killed more innocent civilians per capita than any other country 50,000+
Imprisoned more civilians than any other country 250,000+
has rendered more innocent civilians handicapped per capita than any other country 50,000+
has injured more innocent civilians per capita than any other country 200,000+
has only two countries defending its policies in the UN - US and Micronesia
only country that denies the right of return of refugees
only country that occupies a whole other country and parts of two other countries
only country on earth that publicly steals water of its neighbours
only country on earth that has legalized home demolishing as a method of collective punishment
only country that uproots trees as a method of collective punishment
only country on earth that deliberately targets civilian infrastructure and justifies it
only country on earth that has legalized assasination
only non-terrorist country that uses human shields in military operations
only country that has legalized torture (other than the US)
only country that builds illegal settlements in occupied lands

For the complete list check out

http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/1563

[Average Bohra]

only country that has legalized torture (other than the US)

Please name Islamic countries that have or enforce torture laws. The US has laws against torture but outsources its torture to Muslim countries that are more than willing.

only country that uproots trees as a method of collective punishment

I understand your outrage and feel your pain. Muslims simply bomb worshippers of the opposite sects in Mosques, while preserving the trees.

Imprisoned more civilians than any other country 250,000+

Say, what is the number of civilians imprisoned in Egypt, Jordan, Pakistan, or Saudi Arabia ? Please post statistics.

Israel has been conducting "excavation work" since 1969 and not destroyed the heritage of any religion. They should learn from the Taliban and use dynamite instead ?

[anajmi]

If you try a little bit harder, I am sure you will find something to say about the remaining 45 or so too.

[anajmi]

And here's one thing that you should never forget to mention. Saddam had weapons of mass destruction and was planning to launch them in 45 minutes.

[Average Bohra]

The Kurds didn't have 45 minutes.

[anajmi]

These days, most Iraqis don't.

[Average Bohra]

Specially in mosques, and while grocery shopping.

[anajmi]

Yeah, those precision guided missiles aren't too precise. The oil fields are the only things that they don't wander into.

[anajmi]

Not to get sidetracked by a pointless discussion here's a video of Israeli accomplishments

Video israel Doesn’t Want You to See

The only hope these people have is justice in the hereafter. No one on earth is going to come to their aid.

[Average Bohra]

Originally posted by anajmi:
Video israel Doesn’t Want You to See

It is shameful that I could not post, in good conscience, links to the beheading videos that Wahabis want you to see.

[anajmi]

I have seen what wahabis want me to see and so have you. Now see what the Israelis don't want you to see.

And just to let you know, you wouldn't be able to find your conscience if it were sticking out of your arse.

[anajmi]

If we look at your posts closely, we see that not once have you actually contradicted anything posted against Israel. All you've had to say in Israel's defense is - these countries do it too, these people do it too.

People like you are the worst kind of scum on earth. You are like a disease, a cancer that's killing of the earth one country at a time.

[Average Bohra]

This may be your most intelligent post to date. Yes, I am not challenging any posts regarding the actions of Israel (as I believe in the Palestinian cause), but the hypocrisy and disingenuousness involved in giving similar Muslim atrocities a free ride. Muslim on muslim violence is accepted and ignored by all on this board. You don’t see daily headline posts of Wahabi beheading videos, or muslims getting blown up in Iraq, Pakistan or Afghanistan daily by fellow muslims. Preserving this status quo combined with an unwillingness to speak out along with an apathy toward violence is an epidemic that has infected Muslims and is deep rooted. If allowed to fester unabated as it is now, it will return Muslims to the stone age; and not one country at a time.

[anajmi]

My posts are always intelligent. The last one you couldn't wiggle out of.

Simple solution, start a new thread and start posting. I have said before, as long as we have American stooges for muslim leaders, muslim on muslim violence will continue unabated. Pakistan has an American stooge as a leader, Iraq has an American stooge as a leader.

Get rid of these stooges and things will get back to normal soon. And in order to achieve that, sacrifices will have to be made. After all, aren't Americans sacrificing Americans for the sake of Iraqis and not for their oil?

[anajmi]

Forgot about the stooge in Afghanistan.

Yes, I am not challenging any posts regarding the actions of Israel (as I believe in the Palestinian cause)

As I said before, the people in Palestine are suffering because of scum like you in the first place. When was the last time you spoke about the Palestinian cause on this board?

One other thing, I am not challenging any of posts regarding muslim on muslim violence..etc etc etc.

[Average Bohra]

Originally posted by anajmi:
as we have American stooges for muslim leaders

Why are all muslim leaders American Stooges but not the Indians, the Dutch, Swedes, Russians, Chinese or French ?

That's where you will find the answer to your ills and the regression of muslims.

[feelgud]

The laws of progression and regression are universal.Muslims are not exception to that.The process can only be started through self assessment.This is a difficult task as our leaders have a long list of conspiracy theories and they-did-it stories to tell .This keeps us satisfied .

[feelgud]

Kenneth says, "The way of life (standard of living) in Muslim countries cannot be altered unless the priests (Ulema) are favourable to proposed changes."

Kenneth further elaborates that Muslim Ulema , generally ignorant of the rapid development of science and technology in western nations and their high standard of living, consider the poor economic condition of the Ummah (Muslim society) to be the Divine Will.

This is a definitely unIslamic way of thinking. It was in this context that prominent Islamic scholars like Afghani and Syed Sulaiman Nadvi, remarked, "Ulema ignorant of modern knowledge cannot serve the Ummah". Maulana Abul Hasan Ali Nadvi, Founder Member of Rabita al-Alam al-Islami (Muslim World League), also expressed his anguish over the indifference of Muslims towards modern knowledge by saying, "Muslims forgot their own scientific way of thinking and followed only traditional knowledge. They lagged behind in Science and Technology and thus became slaves of the scientifically advanced West".

Mahathir Mohammad, Prime Minister of Malaysia also declared during the recent Islamic Conference in Kuala Lumpur: "It is necessary for Muslims to give up their illogical beliefs and regressive thoughts and be prepared to face the challenges of the fast changing social order." He also said (at a meeting in London), "Our present predicament is not pre-ordained by Allah. It is entirely due to our own doing. We rely merely on praying to Allah for help, when Allah has said in the Quran that we have to help ourselves before He will help us. To ward off attacks on us, we must learn science and technology and consider acquiring modern knowledge as the part of ibadah (act of worship)."

http://www.desijournal.com/article.asp?articleid=253

[anajmi]

The biggest problem with the Muslim nations of today is the wealth that they did not have to work for. The Oil. There is no oil in Indonesia and hence no American stooges over there and no muslim on muslim violence over there. No oil in India, Sweden or other places mentioned. Except Russia ofcourse, and we are seeing how the Americans feel about the Russians these days. They would love to have their stooge in Russia. Only problem being the Russians were way more brutal right from the beginning.

The muslims trusted the Americans at the beginning of the 19th century when they were assured of protection. They were told there was no need to develop weapons or science and technology. All they had to do was simply supply cheap oil. We are now seeing the result of the folly of trusting the wrong kind.

And whenever the scholars suggest that the muslims are in trouble because of their Ulema and that they did not adopt to science and technology, they are simply bullshitting. It is a way of justifying their atrocities against the muslims to steal their oil and their land.

The muslims in the middle east have been deliberately pushed into the stone ages, maybe even completely annihilated.

You will hear morons talk about how it is the muslim's own fault. But try to see the big picture. America is interested in having stooges in other countries as well, but for the muslim countries, they are willing to sacrifice the wealth and life of average american morons.

[anajmi]

27 Buildings on 104 Acres is NOT an Embassy; It’s an Occupation.

And I acknowledge Muslim on Muslim violence is bad. Don't do it you idiots. There is a common enemy that is waiting for both of you to die.

[Average Bohra]

You are exhibiting the "head up your a s s" syndrome again, and lack of sophistication in your thought process. Indonesia is a member of OPEC, Mexico, Canada, and Venezuela are among the largest oil producers in the world, so there goes your uninformed idiotic stooge theory.

Go back to the Ulema and see if the Ph.D. they awarded you can be tweaked further.

[anajmi]

Oops, my bad. I guess that makes it ok to kill, steal, rape and plunder in Iraq. Did you know that Indonesia is a net importer of crude oil most months of the year? I guess not. Or do you actually believe that Americans went in Iraq to free Iraqis? I would really like to know. Please.

Giuliani’s Attack on Ron Paul Falls Flat

When Paul mentioned Iran as an example of blowback from U.S. foreign policy, he was referring to the 1953 coup in which the CIA secretly and surreptitiously engineered the ouster of the democratically elected prime minister of Iran, Mohammed Mossadegh, who had been selected Time Magazine’s Man of the Year. In his place, the CIA installed the shah of Iran, whose secret police proceeded to terrorize and torture the Iranian people for the next 25 years, with the ardent support of the U.S. government. As the Iranian people discovered the U.S. government’s role in all this, their anger and rage ultimately erupted in 1979 with the Iranian Revolution and the taking of the U.S. hostages.

'Appropriate' force used in civilian death incident: US

But I am against muslim on muslim violence.

[Average Bohra]

You went a full circle and then agreed with me that all the stooges are Muslim oil producing countries and not others.

Now let me illustrate why:

If I wanted to steal oil and was looking for a stooge, and they were three people with oil reserves Porus, Humsafar and Anajmi.

Which one would make the easiest stooge and most likely be my target ?

[anajmi]

As long as you agree that if you wanted to steal oil you would go about it exactly as your masters already have - it proves my point that your masters are in there to steal oil. That is, they are theives.

[Average Bohra]

You are jumping ahead of the lesson here; let's continue one step at a time. What we have established thus far is that only Muslim Governments sitting on oil are stooges, but not non-Muslim governments sitting on oil.

Now, elaborate on this oil stealing theory of yours, and please be specific not hysterical.

[Humsafar]

All governments are corrupt. They indulge in lies and hypocrisy habitually.

All western/eastern democracies are sham – of the rich, for the rich, by the poor. Oligarchies are only marginally better than dictatorships.

The US went into Iraq for oil and other hegemonic reasons (only a fool would deny this).

Suharto (of Indonesia) was a long time loyal stooge of America and with its backing not only massacred his own people (alleged communists) but also occupied neighbouring East Timor and killed thousands there.

America rents a stooge wherever it can. Most of the military dictators in South and Central America – all non-Muslims - were American stooges until recently. Now the IMF and World Bank do the job nicely.

All Mulsim leaders who are either rich, corrupt or both are American stooges, because they thief needs protection from a bigger thief.

When Saddam killed Kurds, he was America’s favourite SOB. (Remember Rummy shaking hands with him.)

Turkey with American support has killed more Kurds than Saddam. The media (and its apologists) won’t talk about it until Turkey falls out of favour.

Muslim extremism and its virulent variant wahabism are direct products of American and Zionist imperialism.

Muslim on Muslim violence is regrettable. But it’s all the more better if it advances the cause of dictators and imperialists. They don’t lose sleep over loss of human fodder.

[Humsafar]

Correction...

"because they thief needs protection from a bigger thief"

should read as

"because a small thief needs protection from a bigger thief"

[Average Bohra]

Humsafar,

We have discussed this issue to death numerous times, and as I recall you were not able to establish why Western Democracies were "oligarchies" except that it was your opinion. You prefer an impracticable yet to be defined sort of government. Has anything changed since ? If so, we can discuss it further.

As far as the “America went to Iraq for oil” opinion, please provide facts as to where this oil went and how it is being transported back to the US. Otherwise, it continues to be an Old Wives Tale.

[Humsafar]

AB,
Try to do some "critical" thinking and research on your own. Don't expect to be spoon-fed. Although, I would suggest that you start reading beyond Tom Friedman and such, and start watching beyond CNN and Fox News and such. This diversion might stimulate you intellectually. But is you insist on being gullible, I'm afraid, there's no cure that.