Haqiqi Qibla?

[porus]

This is a copy of an e-mail sent by a Zoher Ghadiali, who I am told, is a leading Bohra divine in Florida.

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The ubiquitous Google benefits us sometimes in ways we could only dream of thus far. Someone has used Google maps to provide qibla direction from any address. [www.qiblalocator.com]

The beauty, of course, is that you can see an aerial view of (say) your house or place of work, to obtain or corroborate the qibla direction.

A quick check of some masjids in the USA seems to verify the accuracy of the program. Enter, for example, this address: 18720 New Hampshire Ave 20861 and at full zoom, you can see the Washington D.C. masjid position.

Checking the direction of qibla to make sure we pray correctly simply means that in our everyday lives, we check ourselves to make sure we are in alignment with the wishes of our true qibla, Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin, TUS.

And so my fellow mumineen, after every namaz, our only prayer should be that Allah Subhanahu keep Aqamoula TUS, our Haqiqi Qibla, in our midst forever. Ameen.

zoher ghadiali

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The pen-ultimate paragraph usurps Allah's command to face the Kaaba while praying so that it actually becomes Sayedna's wish.

Has anyone else noticed how amils in their bayaans throughout the world are now giving Sayedna the role that Quran reserves for Allah?

The one I remember hearing recently is something that goes like this:

"Aqa Mawla said 'In times of difficulty, a mumineen should, without any hesitation call on me. No matter how far I am, they must believe without any doubt, that I will be with them'."

You will remember Allah saying the same thing in the Quran for himself.

By the way the ignorant author of the e-mail departs from the usual practice and calls Sayedna 'haqiqi qibla' and not 'haqiqi kaaba'. Splitting hair, qibla is direction towards Kaaba, while Sayedna is supposed to be Kaaba in truth.

Bohras should learn that Kaaba is a man-made brick and mortar structure not given to making any pronouncements. Kaaba has not produced anything and is not the object of worship in Islam. Why would anyone want to call a human being a piece of stone? Do Bohras think that they worship the Kaaba? And it should be truly Sayedna?

They had better stop this stupidity before Allah's wrath descends on them.

[Maqbool]

We are in the process of making Qibla-dani (Compass) to find the location of Qibla on the basis of where Sayedan is stationed.

One sensor will be fixed on Sayedna’s dress and Qibla-dani will locate this sensor and will show you where the Quibla is.

The product will be in the market very soon. Because of heavy demand anticipated advance booking is recommended.

[ponga bhori]

Maqbool,

Technical question:
There will be aerial/s at the dani/both ends ?

[Maqbool]

In new technology the antenna will be very small and can be hidden below the dress sayedna wears. And we know the kothar is expert to hide even if it is visible.

[Al Zulfiqar]

which means that all bohra males will be ok in hiding this secret aerial, as they anyways have very small 'aerials' (having been more and more emasculated over the last few decades) but where will the bohra women carry this?

have also heard that now with every misak, and a good bohra may have many in his lifetime to assert his allegiance to our syedna, every bohra will also have to undergo khatana...??

[S. Insaf]

So wil Bohras stop praying once the Haqiqi Qibla gone or will they continue with non-Haqiqi Qibla like other crores of Muslim?

[S. Insaf]

Few lines from a Madeh (poem) composed by Shaikh Mohammad Ali Ikhlas is often recited in front of Sayedna Burhanuddin Saheb reads as:

Sajda tujhe vajib hai, too masjide-Aazam hai
Haj hai teri pabosi, too kabaa-e-aalam hai

Wo hajje-Majazi hai, too Hajje-Haqiqi hai
Samjhen ge khuda khush hai, gar too khusho-khurram

[SBM]

Mr. Insaf
Your last quote about"Sadja Tujhe Wajib hai...."
My question is why Dr. Engineer does not bring this to the attention to the thousands of Islamic Scholars he meets and lectures. He has clout to bring to their attention when he attends OIC and other Islamic conferences as these should be considered SHIRK.

[porus]

While on shirk, I recently heard another one. I do not remember words exactrly but its sense is:

"We are aware that you are only a human being,
But, even if we think that you are Khuda (God), we could not be blamed."

It is in urdu. Please post if you know the words.

I recall skeleton:

"hum jaante hai ke aap ek bashar hai
lekin aapko hum khuda bhi samjhe to koi khataa nahi"

Pleae correct.

[ponga bhori]

Omabharti,

All that the Bhoris follow is known to every one.
The Saudis know it.There was a ref. made to the Malayasian Islamic Governing Body....
The Khotar is making no efforts to hide their beliefs. It is very much in the open.

There is nothing that any one can do or will do.
So shall continue......

[ponga bhori]

And besides the Bhoris care a tuppence for any of the Sunni rulings.
This is Bhori thingy.....
And they show reasons for there doings.
So forget about complaining, except them for what they are. Who knows they may be correct, let Allah judge them.

[porus]

From http://www.wonderfulinfo.com/ibohra/moulafacts.htm

"When Syedna Taher Saifuddin (RA) and Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin (TUS) entered the precincts of the Kaaba, Syedna Taher Saifuddin (RA) asked: Where is the qibla from where I stand? Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin (RA) replied: You are our qibla right before us!"

[anajmi]

Syedna Taher Saifudding was either blind or retarded. He is asking for the direction of the qibla standing within the precincts of the kaaba. No compass would work for him. He probably faced the mirror while praying.

Syedna Burhanuddin was probably performing some assambosi.

[jayanti]

anajmi,
i bet u must be ismaili bec they dont believe in kaaba nor namaaz.

[anajmi]

God bless syedna burhanuddin. By his mojizza, jayanti has been able to figure out that anajmi is Ismaili. I hope all orthos are as smart as jayanti. That way they will last at least for a couple of generations before de-evolving into single celled organisms.

[profrog]

question for wahabbis,why do you worship the kaaba or stone the pillars or build masjids if as you say they are made of stone

[profrog]

or why do you at at prayer times in mecca all go to the main masjid and pray behind imam?just pray in your shops or at home

[like_minded]

Originally posted by profrog:
question for wahabbis,why do you worship the kaaba or stone the pillars or build masjids if as you say they are made of stone

Good question!!!

My comments: Worship of any kind is anti-God, Because if we understand the very phenomenom of creation, then there is no room for worship, We worship, when we aloof ourselves from God, when we break the connection which is already there and which needs nothing extra on our part to reach out.

In our Bohra community, we worship the royal family, bow down before them with joined hands, kiss their feet (kadambosi) WHY?? This is anti-god.

[udaipurresident]

Originally posted by like_minded:
In our Bohra community, we worship the royal family, bow down before them with joined hands, kiss their feet (kadambosi) WHY?? This is anti-god.[/QB]

There is a common practice among bohras to kiss the hands of their parents & elder people whenever they greet them & more inclined to do so on important occassions like eid,jaagni raat in ramazan etc.Are these acts also anti-god.Also there is a saying ki maa ke kadmo ke neeche jannat hai, if anyone kisses ones mother's feet,is this also anti-god/anti-islam?

[like_minded]

Originally posted by udaipurresident:

Originally posted by like_minded:
In our Bohra community, we worship the royal family, bow down before them with joined hands, kiss their feet (kadambosi) WHY?? This is anti-god.

There is a common practice among bohras to kiss the hands of their parents & elder people whenever they greet them & more inclined to do so on important occassions like eid,jaagni raat in ramazan etc.Are these acts also anti-god.Also there is a saying ki maa ke kadmo ke neeche jannat hai, if anyone kisses ones mother's feet,is this also anti-god/anti-islam?[/QB]

Kissing hands of parents and elders or relatives close to you is out of love and humility, In case of Kothar, It is out of bondage, slavery, submission, division, inequality which is anti-god.

When you fall at your mothers feet, It is out of sheer LOVE which needs nothing in return, It happens without force, naturally.

[like_minded]

The problem with most people is that they want to control the future (tomorrow) In the process fear arises, fear of the unknown, this fear, then takes shape in beliefs, with beliefs religion comes into picture, when religion comes, thugs in white robes are ready to exploit and make people dance to their tunes. Then comes worship and it goes on......... There is no freedom here, most people remain shackled because the fear in them does not allow life to flow freely.

Life is simple and it goes on, there is no security, thats the way it is, What is in our control, Control it, what is beyond, just let go, dont bother.......

[Al Zulfiqar]

now after haqiqi kibla, here is one more...

from maalumat:

Aqa Maula TUS, our Haqiqi Hilal gave sharaf of Deedar to Mumineen at Saifee Mahal this morning. Aqa Maula TUS ye farmayu ke "Sagla Mumineen Tehniyaat araz kare chhe. Mein bhi aaj na Mubarak din ma sagla Mumineen ane Farzando ne Tehniyaat aapu chhu ane Beesra Mumineen ne bhi khabar karjo...". In the morning, after Eid namaz, Wasilah Mubarak of Aqa Maul atuS was relayed in all masajid of Mumbai.

so now the idol worshipping bohras have covered all the visible symbols of islam...the quran, the kaaba and the hilal in the persona of their syedna.

i say, why bother to go for haj, read the quran or see the moon. just go to badri mahal...

wah bhai wah!

[Muslim First]

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Hay Frogie;

You are an imbecile.

Read up on Kaaba.

Muslims including Kotharies ( I hope) do not pray to stones of Kabba.

You are even dumber then your Maulan's father, who did not know direction to Kaaba even though it was right in front of him.

Go now repeat 'Ghanu Jivo, Ghanu jivo------.
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[jawanmardan]

Muslim first pot calling the kettle black?

Don’t like being accused of worshiping a stone?

Incidentally why not take your own advice and read up on imamate.

[Muslim First]

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Incidentally why not take your own advice and read up on imamate.

Where?
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[tahir]

Originally posted by udaipurresident:
Also there is a saying ki maa ke kadmo ke neeche jannat hai, if anyone kisses ones mother's feet,is this also anti-god/anti-islam?

maa ke kadmo ke neeche jannat hai
Agreed completely! And fortunately my mom gives me a free access to that jannat. If she was inspired by Syedna, she would be demanding lifafas.

[like_minded]

Tahir,

There's always a price tag

[profrog]

nobody has answered my query about the kaabaor the three devils

[profrog]

as for worship how do you know that you are worshiping allah when you pray

[profrog]

(Worship of any kind is anti-God, Because if we understand the very phenomenom of creation, then there is no room for worship, We worship, when we aloof ourselves from God,) can somebody explain